Saturday - Thousands expected to attend pro-Palestine march in DC for ceasefire in Israel-Hamas war

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Anonymous wrote:I have an idea. They should call for Hamas to release the hostages, which would instantly end the hostilities.

It would certainly be a step in the right direction, but it wouldn't end the way instantly. Hamas still needs to be rooted out

The protest was not organized to call for the release of the hostages. It was organized to draw attention to the suffering of the Palestinian people and call for a cease - fire.

There are many other ways the attention has been on the hostages (the posters, profiles on network TV, politicians statements, etc etc).

Yeah, but so many hostage posters have been ripped down and thrown into trash cans.

DP. What about the "death to isreale" graffiti on several buildings and other anti semitic slogans? Those were not peaceful.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say Israel says ok ceasefire. What’s step 2?

Peace
ICC
World condemnation for atrocities
Netflix docu series

Ok and who is Israel negotiating with? Who governs Gaza?

Realistically, the best bet is a bunch of Hamas members who are not well-known simply declare themselves to be the Gaza Liberation Front or something and everyone acts like they are a brand new organization.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say Israel says ok ceasefire. What’s step 2?

Peace
ICC
World condemnation for atrocities
Netflix docu series

Ok and who is Israel negotiating with? Who governs Gaza?

DP. Wouldn't a step be release of hostages? As for who governs Gaza, obviously the answer is still, for now, Hamas.

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Anonymous wrote:So, it's OK now to scale the white house gate and vandalize? The new normal? Just asking.

Look, I’m not anti-Israel and pro-Jewish extermination so wouldn’t have been welcomed at the rally, but violating the boundaries of the White House seems much more restrained than rioting in the Capitol and attempting to overthrow an election. Not a fan of either but the latter seems infinitely more egregious. Think the “new normal” of lawlessness under Trump has opened the floodgates for all, sadly.

DP. As an aside I agree with you - this protest was more notable for its embrace of an antisemitic foreign policy goal as well as likely being funded by foreign governments. But the actual conduct of the protest was very well organized and with message discipline (ensuring that overt anti-semitism was minimized.) Ironically the chaos of Jan 6 bespeaks a lack of organizing coupled with intense propaganda manipulation - Trump literally incited an insane mob. I hope never to see something like that again.

That’s quite a definition of “minimized.”

Did you see a collection of swastikas or neo Nazi symbols such as some have reported at the London March for example? Or shouts to eliminate Jews? I am not talking about “river to the sea” and other chants that people disagree on, but “kill the Jews” which sort of stands on its own. Those are the things that were hopefully avoided.

There are photos of red paint on the white house perimeter walls and that Lafeyette Park which is the nation's park was trashed. I find that offensive. I also didn't like when the aliens blew up the White House in Independence Day. These iconic buildings were targets on 9/11. Maybe offending me was the point if this display? The protestors succeeded. I dislike them.

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The protestors have also effectively neutralized Democratic use of 1/6 footage as anti-Trump campaign material and for that I dislike them as well.

It must have been a tame rally if red hand prints on a fence are what's causing the pearl clutching.

Oh Ok, so expressing concern that Americans rally in support for terror organizations and eradicating Israel is “pearl clutching”. Got it.

That's not what they were doing. Therefore, expressing those concerns is actually called "lying".

I’m confused. Are posters lying or pearl-clutching. This is a long thread, Be specific.

Those who think Biden will lose the election because of handprints on a fence are pearl-clutching. Those suggesting the protesters were supporting a terrorist organization are lying.

Speaking in generalities about thousands of individual protestors is disingenuous at best. It s impossible to accurately claim that none of the protestors were supporters of Hamas. Nothing more than biased wishful thinking.

This basically makes my point. There is no reason to pearl clutch about handprints on a fence because opponents would have simply moved on to the next equally unrepresentative person or activity. Even a single Hama-supporting protester would be sufficient to mischaracterize a crowd of thousands. That's how this game is played and I suggest not playing it.

Perhaps the organizers shouldn't have asked everyone to "bring red paint"?? Maybe leave the paint at home next time.

https://wjla.com/news/local/man-arrested-vandalism-mcdonalds-israel-hamas-march-rally-protest-pennsylvania-avenue-freedom-plaza-conflict-palestinian-jewish-war-support-ceasefire-national-gaza-national-parks-service-house-of-representatives-us-capitol-youth-movement-peace-community

I received lots of information urging me to attend the rally and there was not one word about bringing red paint. Do you have evidence that "everyone" was asked to bring red paint?

As the for the who painted McDonald's, it will be interesting to learn more about him. He doesn't look like the typical rally-goer at all.

Red paint has been thrown on buildings at Palestine rallies worldwide, so I don't know--maybe you're not inner circle for the messaging? It was also on a flyer or twitter on one of these threads, bring your red paint to throw on the streets, but I'm not going to dig through 1,000 pages to prove a point. I have a standard for protest in cities/countries with freedom of speech, permits to protest, and security out actually to protect the protestors which is ... drumroll...follow the guidelines for peaceful, permitted protest. That goes for everyone, myself included. The folks vandalizing and climbing gates were making it unsafe for everyone, including fellow protestors and the security details.

Fine. Oppose the paint. I oppose it myself. Just don't act like it is single-handily going to cost Democrats the election. It's not. If the paint didn't exist, opponents would simply be complaining about something else.

Well, I think that is a wise stance and I hope most of the protestors were similar minded. I just don't like it from any group/cause, and it is hard for me to hear the message when I don't like the delivery. I'm not the PP posting about elections, so I'm not really able to follow the rest of what you are saying.

[Anonymous]

Here are some nice signs the protesters came up with

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1721193930551623760

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an idea. They should call for Hamas to release the hostages, which would instantly end the hostilities.

It would certainly be a step in the right direction, but it wouldn't end the way instantly. Hamas still needs to be rooted out

The protest was not organized to call for the release of the hostages. It was organized to draw attention to the suffering of the Palestinian people and call for a cease - fire.

There are many other ways the attention has been on the hostages (the posters, profiles on network TV, politicians statements, etc etc).

Yeah, but so many hostage posters have been ripped down and thrown into trash cans.

DP. What about the "death to isreale" graffiti on several buildings and other anti semitic slogans? Those were not peaceful.

And the "keep the world clean" sign. Still, not every poster, etc., will be perfectly phrased. Latitude must be given for emotional venting--that is part of what protests are.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an idea. They should call for Hamas to release the hostages, which would instantly end the hostilities.

It would certainly be a step in the right direction, but it wouldn't end the way instantly. Hamas still needs to be rooted out

The protest was not organized to call for the release of the hostages. It was organized to draw attention to the suffering of the Palestinian people and call for a cease - fire.

There are many other ways the attention has been on the hostages (the posters, profiles on network TV, politicians statements, etc etc).

Yeah, but so many hostage posters have been ripped down and thrown into trash cans.

DP. What about the "death to isreale" graffiti on several buildings and other anti semitic slogans? Those were not peaceful.

And the "keep the world clean" sign. Still, not every poster, etc., will be perfectly phrased. Latitude must be given for emotional venting--that is part of what protests are.

Latitude should be given to antisemitic and genocidal chants like “from the river to the sea” and “we want 48”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an idea. They should call for Hamas to release the hostages, which would instantly end the hostilities.

It would certainly be a step in the right direction, but it wouldn't end the way instantly. Hamas still needs to be rooted out

The protest was not organized to call for the release of the hostages. It was organized to draw attention to the suffering of the Palestinian people and call for a cease - fire.

There are many other ways the attention has been on the hostages (the posters, profiles on network TV, politicians statements, etc etc).

Yeah, but so many hostage posters have been ripped down and thrown into trash cans.

DP. What about the "death to isreale" graffiti on several buildings and other anti semitic slogans? Those were not peaceful.

And the "keep the world clean" sign. Still, not every poster, etc., will be perfectly phrased. Latitude must be given for emotional venting--that is part of what protests are.

DP
Nah. No latitude for antisemitic sentiments or signs that promote violence. It is not like they just "phrased" something incorrectly or that something is being misconstrued. That can happen easier with the *spoken* word. These protesters took the time to craft their message and create signs to let the world know what they think.
We can judge them accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:So, it's OK now to scale the white house gate and vandalize? The new normal? Just asking.

Look, I’m not anti-Israel and pro-Jewish extermination so wouldn’t have been welcomed at the rally, but violating the boundaries of the White House seems much more restrained than rioting in the Capitol and attempting to overthrow an election. Not a fan of either but the latter seems infinitely more egregious. Think the “new normal” of lawlessness under Trump has opened the floodgates for all, sadly.

DP. As an aside I agree with you - this protest was more notable for its embrace of an antisemitic foreign policy goal as well as likely being funded by foreign governments. But the actual conduct of the protest was very well organized and with message discipline (ensuring that overt anti-semitism was minimized.) Ironically the chaos of Jan 6 bespeaks a lack of organizing coupled with intense propaganda manipulation - Trump literally incited an insane mob. I hope never to see something like that again.

That’s quite a definition of “minimized.”

Did you see a collection of swastikas or neo Nazi symbols such as some have reported at the London March for example? Or shouts to eliminate Jews? I am not talking about “river to the sea” and other chants that people disagree on, but “kill the Jews” which sort of stands on its own. Those are the things that were hopefully avoided.

There are photos of red paint on the white house perimeter walls and that Lafeyette Park which is the nation's park was trashed. I find that offensive. I also didn't like when the aliens blew up the White House in Independence Day. These iconic buildings were targets on 9/11. Maybe offending me was the point if this display? The protestors succeeded. I dislike them.

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The protestors have also effectively neutralized Democratic use of 1/6 footage as anti-Trump campaign material and for that I dislike them as well.

It must have been a tame rally if red hand prints on a fence are what's causing the pearl clutching.

Oh Ok, so expressing concern that Americans rally in support for terror organizations and eradicating Israel is “pearl clutching”. Got it.

That's not what they were doing. Therefore, expressing those concerns is actually called "lying".

I’m confused. Are posters lying or pearl-clutching. This is a long thread, Be specific.

Those who think Biden will lose the election because of handprints on a fence are pearl-clutching. Those suggesting the protesters were supporting a terrorist organization are lying.

Speaking in generalities about thousands of individual protestors is disingenuous at best. It s impossible to accurately claim that none of the protestors were supporters of Hamas. Nothing more than biased wishful thinking.

This basically makes my point. There is no reason to pearl clutch about handprints on a fence because opponents would have simply moved on to the next equally unrepresentative person or activity. Even a single Hama-supporting protester would be sufficient to mischaracterize a crowd of thousands. That's how this game is played and I suggest not playing it.

Perhaps the organizers shouldn't have asked everyone to "bring red paint"?? Maybe leave the paint at home next time.

https://wjla.com/news/local/man-arrested-vandalism-mcdonalds-israel-hamas-march-rally-protest-pennsylvania-avenue-freedom-plaza-conflict-palestinian-jewish-war-support-ceasefire-national-gaza-national-parks-service-house-of-representatives-us-capitol-youth-movement-peace-community

I received lots of information urging me to attend the rally and there was not one word about bringing red paint. Do you have evidence that "everyone" was asked to bring red paint?

As the for the who painted McDonald's, it will be interesting to learn more about him. He doesn't look like the typical rally-goer at all.

Red paint has been thrown on buildings at Palestine rallies worldwide, so I don't know--maybe you're not inner circle for the messaging? It was also on a flyer or twitter on one of these threads, bring your red paint to throw on the streets, but I'm not going to dig through 1,000 pages to prove a point. I have a standard for protest in cities/countries with freedom of speech, permits to protest, and security out actually to protect the protestors which is ... drumroll...follow the guidelines for peaceful, permitted protest. That goes for everyone, myself included. The folks vandalizing and climbing gates were making it unsafe for everyone, including fellow protestors and the security details.

Fine. Oppose the paint. I oppose it myself. Just don't act like it is single-handily going to cost Democrats the election. It's not. If the paint didn't exist, opponents would simply be complaining about something else.

Nobody anywhere in this thread or the other one has said that or acted like paint is going single-handedly cost Democrats the election.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an idea. They should call for Hamas to release the hostages, which would instantly end the hostilities.

It would certainly be a step in the right direction, but it wouldn't end the way instantly. Hamas still needs to be rooted out

The protest was not organized to call for the release of the hostages. It was organized to draw attention to the suffering of the Palestinian people and call for a cease - fire.

There are many other ways the attention has been on the hostages (the posters, profiles on network TV, politicians statements, etc etc).

Please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an idea. They should call for Hamas to release the hostages, which would instantly end the hostilities.

It would certainly be a step in the right direction, but it wouldn't end the way instantly. Hamas still needs to be rooted out

The protest was not organized to call for the release of the hostages. It was organized to draw attention to the suffering of the Palestinian people and call for a cease - fire.

There are many other ways the attention has been on the hostages (the posters, profiles on network TV, politicians statements, etc etc).

Yeah, but so many hostage posters have been ripped down and thrown into trash cans.

DP. What about the "death to isreale" graffiti on several buildings and other anti semitic slogans? Those were not peaceful.

And the "keep the world clean" sign. Still, not every poster, etc., will be perfectly phrased. Latitude must be given for emotional venting--that is part of what protests are.

DP
Nah. No latitude for antisemitic sentiments or signs that promote violence. It is not like they just "phrased" something incorrectly or that something is being misconstrued. That can happen easier with the *spoken* word. These protesters took the time to craft their message and create signs to let the world know what they think.
We can judge them accordingly.

And they showed their faces.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been reading the news coverage of the protest and no mention of antisemitism in the mainstream press (cnn, NYT, Washington post, NPR, The Hill). Just in the Daily Mail (link in PP above) Fox and the Guardian.

Was anyone on this thread actually at the event and would share what they saw?

It was a very large global event so no one can speak definitively about what happened everywhere.

In DC, it was mostly young people who are horrified by the slaughter in Gaza and called for a ceasefire. They are very upset and don’t understand “blind” support for Israel’s extensive bombing. They see helpless people who have been denied many rights for a long time, who are trapped and being starved and attacked with weapons the U.S. provided.

So naive. This was a protest organized and funded by political actors that want to get rid of Israel, who through propaganda have recruited some Americans to naively amplify their cause. Anyone who actually cared about civilians would be calling for Hamas to stop its terrorist acts as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an idea. They should call for Hamas to release the hostages, which would instantly end the hostilities.

It would certainly be a step in the right direction, but it wouldn't end the way instantly. Hamas still needs to be rooted out

The protest was not organized to call for the release of the hostages. It was organized to draw attention to the suffering of the Palestinian people and call for a cease - fire.

There are many other ways the attention has been on the hostages (the posters, profiles on network TV, politicians statements, etc etc).

Yeah, but so many hostage posters have been ripped down and thrown into trash cans.

DP. What about the "death to isreale" graffiti on several buildings and other anti semitic slogans? Those were not peaceful.

And the "keep the world clean" sign. Still, not every poster, etc., will be perfectly phrased. Latitude must be given for emotional venting--that is part of what protests are.

There's always a line. I don't think Palestinians are always well served by the people who represent them. The people who claim to speak for them always seem more about seeing Israel falter than Palestine succeed. It's never a positive message. Never. I mean, with the intermittent terrorism, how could it be. The Palestinian messaging has been 'off' since Arafat--maybe before, but I wasn't alive then. I have sympathy for their situation, but not for the narrative they themselves frame about themselves and others and certainly not for some of the actions they've undertaken to 'further' their cause

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have an idea. They should call for Hamas to release the hostages, which would instantly end the hostilities.

It would certainly be a step in the right direction, but it wouldn't end the way instantly. Hamas still needs to be rooted out

The protest was not organized to call for the release of the hostages. It was organized to draw attention to the suffering of the Palestinian people and call for a cease - fire.

There are many other ways the attention has been on the hostages (the posters, profiles on network TV, politicians statements, etc etc).

Yeah, but so many hostage posters have been ripped down and thrown into trash cans.

Yes. The ones posted illegally (and before you say that photos of lost cats not torn down, in my neighborhood all signs that are illegally posted get removed regularly). Also in my neighborhood there are pro Israel lawn signs and no pro Palestinian ones. There is plenty of pro Israel support in this country. Why can’t there also be signs of Pro Palestinian support? (Pro Palestinian does not equal Pro Hamas or kill all Jews for the vast vast majority of protesters, just like Pro Israel does not mean let’s kill all Palestinians or kill all Muslims)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Frankly, Israel has the right to retaliate with as much terror as Hamas attack on Oct. 7.

And they did passed that point earlier this month.

They already matched the brutality of Hamas and are at nearly 10 times the carnage. When is enough?

Is Israel only going to stop when all 2.5 million people in Gaza are dead?