College Football--Big Ten Expansion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2036 when the GOR is up the big 12 and ACC will reorganize with teams shifting.

The Big Ten is only interested in Florida, Texas and Notre Dame at this point. The money per school is reduced with any other schools. Oregon, Washington or Arizona May be considered just to help geographically and maybe not lose too much money per school.

Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Iowa State, San Diego St, Byu, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia, Connecticut, Texas Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, NC state, Virginia
Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt,

Will form a 28 team coast to coast conference.
It will be nice with an east and west divisions
The Dukes of the world will join the Big East.

The Big Ten and SEC will pull away money-wise. The Big Ten with huge alumni bases has adopted an NFL model rolling teams through major markets with huge big ten alumni populations….a genius strategy.

Interesting thought. Probably accurate, but the Big Ten will offer U Oregon & U Washington to solidify west coast markets & to ease travel burden for USC & UCLA while preserving rivalries among those west coast schools.

Would be very difficult to pull U Florida from the SEC. Equally difficult to pull Texas into a conference without arch-rival U Oklahoma.

Notre Dame is the available & most coveted target school.

If Big Ten offers U Washington & U Oregon, then adds Notre Dame, which would be the fourth additional school invited to join the Big Ten ? (Would the Big Ten Conference entice Notre Dame to join by allowing ND to name one of its rivals as the fourth school ?)

Could Texas be persuaded ?

Could U Florida get mad at SEC for admitting FSU and/or U Miami and leave for the Big Ten Conference ?

Florida and Texas could be persuaded.. the big ten already pays more money than the SEC and has greater academic rep. Both those schools fit culturally.

But the travel is crazy for many sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2036 when the GOR is up the big 12 and ACC will reorganize with teams shifting.

The Big Ten is only interested in Florida, Texas and Notre Dame at this point. The money per school is reduced with any other schools. Oregon, Washington or Arizona May be considered just to help geographically and maybe not lose too much money per school.

Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Iowa State, San Diego St, Byu, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia, Connecticut, Texas Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, NC state, Virginia
Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt,

Will form a 28 team coast to coast conference.
It will be nice with an east and west divisions
The Dukes of the world will join the Big East.

The Big Ten and SEC will pull away money-wise. The Big Ten with huge alumni bases has adopted an NFL model rolling teams through major markets with huge big ten alumni populations….a genius strategy.

Interesting thought. Probably accurate, but the Big Ten will offer U Oregon & U Washington to solidify west coast markets & to ease travel burden for USC & UCLA while preserving rivalries among those west coast schools.

Would be very difficult to pull U Florida from the SEC. Equally difficult to pull Texas into a conference without arch-rival U Oklahoma.

Notre Dame is the available & most coveted target school.

If Big Ten offers U Washington & U Oregon, then adds Notre Dame, which would be the fourth additional school invited to join the Big Ten ? (Would the Big Ten Conference entice Notre Dame to join by allowing ND to name one of its rivals as the fourth school ?)

Could Texas be persuaded ?

Could U Florida get mad at SEC for admitting FSU and/or U Miami and leave for the Big Ten Conference ?

Florida and Texas could be persuaded.. the big ten already pays more money than the SEC and has greater academic rep. Both those schools fit culturally.

But the travel is crazy for many sports.

Yep I bet non revenues may have a neutral center maybe in Nebraska for away games with UCLA/USC.

The Big Ten will not be adding teams for a while to organize the logistics and enjoy 100 million per school. Why dilute the pie? only Notre Dame, Florida and Texas would keep the payout no lower.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2036 when the GOR is up the big 12 and ACC will reorganize with teams shifting.

The Big Ten is only interested in Florida, Texas and Notre Dame at this point. The money per school is reduced with any other schools. Oregon, Washington or Arizona May be considered just to help geographically and maybe not lose too much money per school.

Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Iowa State, San Diego St, Byu, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia, Connecticut, Texas Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, NC state, Virginia
Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt,

Will form a 28 team coast to coast conference.
It will be nice with an east and west divisions
The Dukes of the world will join the Big East.

The Big Ten and SEC will pull away money-wise. The Big Ten with huge alumni bases has adopted an NFL model rolling teams through major markets with huge big ten alumni populations….a genius strategy.

Interesting thought. Probably accurate, but the Big Ten will offer U Oregon & U Washington to solidify west coast markets & to ease travel burden for USC & UCLA while preserving rivalries among those west coast schools.

Would be very difficult to pull U Florida from the SEC. Equally difficult to pull Texas into a conference without arch-rival U Oklahoma.

Notre Dame is the available & most coveted target school.

If Big Ten offers U Washington & U Oregon, then adds Notre Dame, which would be the fourth additional school invited to join the Big Ten ? (Would the Big Ten Conference entice Notre Dame to join by allowing ND to name one of its rivals as the fourth school ?)

Could Texas be persuaded ?

Could U Florida get mad at SEC for admitting FSU and/or U Miami and leave for the Big Ten Conference ?

Florida and Texas could be persuaded.. the big ten already pays more money than the SEC and has greater academic rep. Both those schools fit culturally.

SEC football is a different beast and doesn't fit culturally anywhere else with the possible exceptions of Clemson and FSU

[Anonymous]

(OP again)

I love this post, but I am concerned about starting a war with the SEC. What could the Big Ten Conference do to compensate the SEC for Texas & U Florida ?

SEC would take Florida State and Maybe UNC

What about Clemson ?

Clemson might be screwed with small alumni base, fairly small state, already SEC South Carolina in the market. Will end up Big 12

an alumni base only comes into play if the team is winning, it doesn't matter if you have 500k alumni base, if you don't win they aren't going to games. Clemson doesn't have a problem filling their stadium plus their viewership would put them 4th in the big10

Ohio State — 5.80M
Alabama — 5.11M
Michigan — 4.37M
Tennessee — 4.13M
Georgia — 3.50M
Notre Dame — 3.30M
LSU — 3.22M
Texas — 3.06M
Penn State — 3.05M
Clemson — 2.59M

either way, the big10 or SEC is going to benefit form them joining

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2036 when the GOR is up the big 12 and ACC will reorganize with teams shifting.

The Big Ten is only interested in Florida, Texas and Notre Dame at this point. The money per school is reduced with any other schools. Oregon, Washington or Arizona May be considered just to help geographically and maybe not lose too much money per school.

Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Iowa State, San Diego St, Byu, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia, Connecticut, Texas Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, NC state, Virginia
Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt,

Will form a 28 team coast to coast conference.
It will be nice with an east and west divisions
The Dukes of the world will join the Big East.

The Big Ten and SEC will pull away money-wise. The Big Ten with huge alumni bases has adopted an NFL model rolling teams through major markets with huge big ten alumni populations….a genius strategy.

Interesting thought. Probably accurate, but the Big Ten will offer U Oregon & U Washington to solidify west coast markets & to ease travel burden for USC & UCLA while preserving rivalries among those west coast schools.

Would be very difficult to pull U Florida from the SEC. Equally difficult to pull Texas into a conference without arch-rival U Oklahoma.

Notre Dame is the available & most coveted target school.

If Big Ten offers U Washington & U Oregon, then adds Notre Dame, which would be the fourth additional school invited to join the Big Ten ? (Would the Big Ten Conference entice Notre Dame to join by allowing ND to name one of its rivals as the fourth school ?)

Could Texas be persuaded ?

Could U Florida get mad at SEC for admitting FSU and/or U Miami and leave for the Big Ten Conference ?

Florida and Texas could be persuaded.. the big ten already pays more money than the SEC and has greater academic rep. Both those schools fit culturally.

But the travel is crazy for many sports.

I guess it will suck to be a UCLA lacrosse player. I guess the beach volley ball team will go independent or will it just get cut?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
(OP again)

I love this post, but I am concerned about starting a war with the SEC. What could the Big Ten Conference do to compensate the SEC for Texas & U Florida ?

SEC would take Florida State and Maybe UNC

What about Clemson ?

Clemson might be screwed with small alumni base, fairly small state, already SEC South Carolina in the market. Will end up Big 12

an alumni base only comes into play if the team is winning, it doesn't matter if you have 500k alumni base, if you don't win they aren't going to games. Clemson doesn't have a problem filling their stadium plus their viewership would put them 4th in the big10

Ohio State — 5.80M
Alabama — 5.11M
Michigan — 4.37M
Tennessee — 4.13M
Georgia — 3.50M
Notre Dame — 3.30M
LSU — 3.22M
Texas — 3.06M
Penn State — 3.05M
Clemson — 2.59M

either way, the big10 or SEC is going to benefit form them joining

Letting them into a conference is a multi decade commitment. Right now, there is nothing to show whether the success will outlast Dabo

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2036 when the GOR is up the big 12 and ACC will reorganize with teams shifting.

The Big Ten is only interested in Florida, Texas and Notre Dame at this point. The money per school is reduced with any other schools. Oregon, Washington or Arizona May be considered just to help geographically and maybe not lose too much money per school.

Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Iowa State, San Diego St, Byu, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia, Connecticut, Texas Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, NC state, Virginia
Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt,

Will form a 28 team coast to coast conference.
It will be nice with an east and west divisions
The Dukes of the world will join the Big East.

The Big Ten and SEC will pull away money-wise. The Big Ten with huge alumni bases has adopted an NFL model rolling teams through major markets with huge big ten alumni populations….a genius strategy.

Interesting thought. Probably accurate, but the Big Ten will offer U Oregon & U Washington to solidify west coast markets & to ease travel burden for USC & UCLA while preserving rivalries among those west coast schools.

Would be very difficult to pull U Florida from the SEC. Equally difficult to pull Texas into a conference without arch-rival U Oklahoma.

Notre Dame is the available & most coveted target school.

If Big Ten offers U Washington & U Oregon, then adds Notre Dame, which would be the fourth additional school invited to join the Big Ten ? (Would the Big Ten Conference entice Notre Dame to join by allowing ND to name one of its rivals as the fourth school ?)

Could Texas be persuaded ?

Could U Florida get mad at SEC for admitting FSU and/or U Miami and leave for the Big Ten Conference ?

Florida and Texas could be persuaded.. the big ten already pays more money than the SEC and has greater academic rep. Both those schools fit culturally.

But the travel is crazy for many sports.

I guess it will suck to be a UCLA lacrosse player. I guess the beach volley ball team will go independent or will it just get cut?

UCLA beach volleyball team will continue just as the Notre Dame ice hockey team plays in the Big Ten Conference.

https://uclabruins.com/sports/womens-beach-volleyball/schedule/2023

Who knew that Georgia State has a women's beach volleyball team ?

Also, Oregon, Stanford, & Cal may join the Big Ten Conference.

[Anonymous]

Is the University of Oregon reaching out to the Big Ten Conference with an offer to accept a lower payout than the rest of the member schools ?

https://duckswire.usatoday.com/lists/oregon-needs-the-big-ten-but-the-big-ten-might-need-oregon-just-as-badly/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2036 when the GOR is up the big 12 and ACC will reorganize with teams shifting.

The Big Ten is only interested in Florida, Texas and Notre Dame at this point. The money per school is reduced with any other schools. Oregon, Washington or Arizona May be considered just to help geographically and maybe not lose too much money per school.

Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Iowa State, San Diego St, Byu, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia, Connecticut, Texas Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, NC state, Virginia
Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt,

Will form a 28 team coast to coast conference.
It will be nice with an east and west divisions
The Dukes of the world will join the Big East.

The Big Ten and SEC will pull away money-wise. The Big Ten with huge alumni bases has adopted an NFL model rolling teams through major markets with huge big ten alumni populations….a genius strategy.

Interesting thought. Probably accurate, but the Big Ten will offer U Oregon & U Washington to solidify west coast markets & to ease travel burden for USC & UCLA while preserving rivalries among those west coast schools.

Would be very difficult to pull U Florida from the SEC. Equally difficult to pull Texas into a conference without arch-rival U Oklahoma.

Notre Dame is the available & most coveted target school.

If Big Ten offers U Washington & U Oregon, then adds Notre Dame, which would be the fourth additional school invited to join the Big Ten ? (Would the Big Ten Conference entice Notre Dame to join by allowing ND to name one of its rivals as the fourth school ?)

Could Texas be persuaded ?

Could U Florida get mad at SEC for admitting FSU and/or U Miami and leave for the Big Ten Conference ?

Florida and Texas could be persuaded.. the big ten already pays more money than the SEC and has greater academic rep. Both those schools fit culturally.

But the travel is crazy for many sports.

I guess it will suck to be a UCLA lacrosse player. I guess the beach volley ball team will go independent or will it just get cut?

UCLA beach volleyball team will continue just as the Notre Dame ice hockey team plays in the Big Ten Conference.

https://uclabruins.com/sports/womens-beach-volleyball/schedule/2023

Who knew that Georgia State has a women's beach volleyball team ?

Also, Oregon, Stanford, & Cal may join the Big Ten Conference.

Big10 doesn't have beach volleyball. The only local conference is the Pac 12 and they don't have much reason to help UCLA and USC out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the University of Oregon reaching out to the Big Ten Conference with an offer to accept a lower payout than the rest of the member schools ?

https://duckswire.usatoday.com/lists/oregon-needs-the-big-ten-but-the-big-ten-might-need-oregon-just-as-badly/

Lol at an Oregon blogger arguing that the Big10 needs Oregon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is the University of Oregon reaching out to the Big Ten Conference with an offer to accept a lower payout than the rest of the member schools ?

https://duckswire.usatoday.com/lists/oregon-needs-the-big-ten-but-the-big-ten-might-need-oregon-just-as-badly/

That's a door that I don't think most members want opened. If Oregon is taking less to not be left out, what happens if Ohio Stat starts wondering why Rutgers is getting an equal share? Most members are riding on the coat tails of a few teams and everyone is well aware of the situation. If you introduce unequal payments, then the schools generating the revenue are going to feel free to demand more of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2036 when the GOR is up the big 12 and ACC will reorganize with teams shifting.

The Big Ten is only interested in Florida, Texas and Notre Dame at this point. The money per school is reduced with any other schools. Oregon, Washington or Arizona May be considered just to help geographically and maybe not lose too much money per school.

Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Iowa State, San Diego St, Byu, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia, Connecticut, Texas Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, NC state, Virginia
Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt,

Will form a 28 team coast to coast conference.
It will be nice with an east and west divisions
The Dukes of the world will join the Big East.

The Big Ten and SEC will pull away money-wise. The Big Ten with huge alumni bases has adopted an NFL model rolling teams through major markets with huge big ten alumni populations….a genius strategy.

Interesting thought. Probably accurate, but the Big Ten will offer U Oregon & U Washington to solidify west coast markets & to ease travel burden for USC & UCLA while preserving rivalries among those west coast schools.

Would be very difficult to pull U Florida from the SEC. Equally difficult to pull Texas into a conference without arch-rival U Oklahoma.

Notre Dame is the available & most coveted target school.

If Big Ten offers U Washington & U Oregon, then adds Notre Dame, which would be the fourth additional school invited to join the Big Ten ? (Would the Big Ten Conference entice Notre Dame to join by allowing ND to name one of its rivals as the fourth school ?)

Could Texas be persuaded ?

Could U Florida get mad at SEC for admitting FSU and/or U Miami and leave for the Big Ten Conference ?

Florida and Texas could be persuaded.. the big ten already pays more money than the SEC and has greater academic rep. Both those schools fit culturally.

But the travel is crazy for many sports.

I guess it will suck to be a UCLA lacrosse player. I guess the beach volley ball team will go independent or will it just get cut?

UCLA beach volleyball team will continue just as the Notre Dame ice hockey team plays in the Big Ten Conference.

https://uclabruins.com/sports/womens-beach-volleyball/schedule/2023

Who knew that Georgia State has a women's beach volleyball team ?

Also, Oregon, Stanford, & Cal may join the Big Ten Conference.

Big10 doesn't have beach volleyball. The only local conference is the Pac 12 and they don't have much reason to help UCLA and USC out

Examine UCLA & Georgia State beach volleyball schedules. Lots of non-Pac-12 teams.

https://georgiastatesports.com/sports/womens-beach-volleyball/schedule/2023

Lots of nice trips to Gulf Shores, Alabama and to Hawaii and to Charleston, SC

Title IX.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the University of Oregon reaching out to the Big Ten Conference with an offer to accept a lower payout than the rest of the member schools ?

https://duckswire.usatoday.com/lists/oregon-needs-the-big-ten-but-the-big-ten-might-need-oregon-just-as-badly/

That's a door that I don't think most members want opened. If Oregon is taking less to not be left out, what happens if Ohio Stat starts wondering why Rutgers is getting an equal share? Most members are riding on the coat tails of a few teams and everyone is well aware of the situation. If you introduce unequal payments, then the schools generating the revenue are going to feel free to demand more of it.

Not a problem. Can structure a 6 year plan of increasing payouts until Oregon gets a full share.

But the problem you discuss is a source of real discontent in the ACC as Clemson & FSU are demanding higher payouts than the other ACC conference members in order to be able to stay competitive with SEC & Big Ten football programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the University of Oregon reaching out to the Big Ten Conference with an offer to accept a lower payout than the rest of the member schools ?

https://duckswire.usatoday.com/lists/oregon-needs-the-big-ten-but-the-big-ten-might-need-oregon-just-as-badly/

Lol at an Oregon blogger arguing that the Big10 needs Oregon.

No reason to laugh as bloggers often serve as mouthpieces for the university.

Chicago's Frank-The-Tank played a significant role in the last Big Ten Conference expansion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2036 when the GOR is up the big 12 and ACC will reorganize with teams shifting.

The Big Ten is only interested in Florida, Texas and Notre Dame at this point. The money per school is reduced with any other schools. Oregon, Washington or Arizona May be considered just to help geographically and maybe not lose too much money per school.

Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Iowa State, San Diego St, Byu, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia, Connecticut, Texas Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, NC state, Virginia
Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt,

Will form a 28 team coast to coast conference.
It will be nice with an east and west divisions
The Dukes of the world will join the Big East.

The Big Ten and SEC will pull away money-wise. The Big Ten with huge alumni bases has adopted an NFL model rolling teams through major markets with huge big ten alumni populations….a genius strategy.

Interesting thought. Probably accurate, but the Big Ten will offer U Oregon & U Washington to solidify west coast markets & to ease travel burden for USC & UCLA while preserving rivalries among those west coast schools.

Would be very difficult to pull U Florida from the SEC. Equally difficult to pull Texas into a conference without arch-rival U Oklahoma.

Notre Dame is the available & most coveted target school.

If Big Ten offers U Washington & U Oregon, then adds Notre Dame, which would be the fourth additional school invited to join the Big Ten ? (Would the Big Ten Conference entice Notre Dame to join by allowing ND to name one of its rivals as the fourth school ?)

Could Texas be persuaded ?

Could U Florida get mad at SEC for admitting FSU and/or U Miami and leave for the Big Ten Conference ?

Florida and Texas could be persuaded.. the big ten already pays more money than the SEC and has greater academic rep. Both those schools fit culturally.

But the travel is crazy for many sports.

I guess it will suck to be a UCLA lacrosse player. I guess the beach volley ball team will go independent or will it just get cut?

UCLA beach volleyball team will continue just as the Notre Dame ice hockey team plays in the Big Ten Conference.

https://uclabruins.com/sports/womens-beach-volleyball/schedule/2023

Who knew that Georgia State has a women's beach volleyball team ?

Also, Oregon, Stanford, & Cal may join the Big Ten Conference.

Big10 doesn't have beach volleyball. The only local conference is the Pac 12 and they don't have much reason to help UCLA and USC out

Examine UCLA & Georgia State beach volleyball schedules. Lots of non-Pac-12 teams.

https://georgiastatesports.com/sports/womens-beach-volleyball/schedule/2023

Lots of nice trips to Gulf Shores, Alabama and to Hawaii and to Charleston, SC

Title IX.

Their travel corresponds to the Sun Belt schedule because that's the conference the play in. I don't see how that helps UCLA find a conference