3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We don't ban cars when drunk drivers kill people while driving. We need more mental health institutions in the USA.

That's because cars have a legitimate purpose which doesn't involve killing people.

An AR-15 has no legitimate purpose in the hands of a civilian.

[Anonymous]

I grew up in the uk and if we had one day like this every single citizen would vote to ban guns

I just do NOT get how anyone can possibly sleep at night with any other view.
And before anyone says ‘go back there then’ - I’m a US citizen and have just as much right to stay here and try to stop people killing kids as anyone who grew up here has to stay here and not stop them

Same thing in Australia. They had a ghastly mass shooting in Port Arthur in 1996. 21 people, I believe. That was it. Big, big changes. And Shazam! No more mass shootings.

But America does nothing, ever. Lots of Thoughts-n-Prayers, though!

[Anonymous]

An AR-15 has no legitimate purpose in the hands of a civilian.

No legitimate purpose? That's liberal-speak. Mass shooters have rights, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We don't ban cars when drunk drivers kill people while driving. We need more mental health institutions in the USA.

That's because cars have a legitimate purpose which doesn't involve killing people.

An AR-15 has no legitimate purpose in the hands of a civilian.

What makes you conclude that?
What is a legitimate purpose?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NBC News identified the shooter as Audrey Hale.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nashville-christian-school-shooter-appears-former-student-police-chief-rcna76876

A 28 year old WOMAN?

You won't hear a word about this pretty soon....

Yeah, we absolutely will, and we should. But they are saying she was a former students of the school, and identifies as transgender. She definitely doesn't fit the profile of a school shooter.

7 deaths now - 3 students, 2 adults and the shooter.

No.

First of all, your math above is wrong. 3+2+1=6

But

It was 3 students, 3 adults (not including the shooter).... and we don't count the shooter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny how these shootings are always on the political forum and not the health forum if it truly is a mental health issue.
Let's at least be honest that this is a politics issue that very clearly divides the two parties. And it seems like all of the parents out there voting for Republicans are just signing their children's death warrants. And are okay with it.

None of this is funny. Some problems have more than one cause - a concept that's difficult for some to understand. It's a mental health issue, it's a lack of gun control issue, it's the fact that a lay person has the ability to buy an assault weapon, it's an issue of not sufficient security in our schools, it's an issue of red flags being ignored or minimized. By the way, people with mental illness are more likely to be victim of violence than commit an act of violence. I guess moving this discussion from the political forum to the health forum will solve the problem.

PP, you forgot to include the last clause in PP's opening sentence: if it truly is a mental health issue. The PP didn't set it up as a binary, but to point out that Republicans often hide behind the mental health fig leaf (given that they refuse to fund those services, etc).

Republicans: "It's a mental health issue"

Me: "FINE then let's ADDRESS IT by providing robust access to desperately needed mental health services in this country since many Americans can't get the help they need, along with finding ways to address mental health for those who need it but aren't seeking it out, along with ensuring we have mental health screenings for prospective gun owners."

Republicans: *crickets*

*applause*

That's exactly it, PP. I spent my 20s working a lower-income job in a red state and I had pitiful resources for my (extremely severe) mental health needs. Apart from being born with clinical depression and an anxiety disorder, I had rage issues due to a lifetime of school bullying. In other words, I matched the profile of many school shooters. I was often gaslit by the therapists my pitiful insurance partially covered. I felt the pinch for my medication, which often DIDN'T help and I had to stridently advocate for a change in dosage or even the medication prescribed because my doctors did not give two hoots about me.

When my own painstaking research revealed alternative therapies that could help me, neither insurance nor my paycheck could cover the expense. I went without.

I came to the edge of violence and suicide many times. It was my own strong will, and possibly God's Grace, that restrained me from hurting others or myself. But I cannot give ANY credit to the field of psychiatry, or to the very lackluster engagement of the medical community in the conservative state I lived in. They would've let me fall through the cracks. They would've let me become a danger to my community. They did NOT catch me as I fell, or generally give a f**k about me. I did that. I saved myself from harm, and likely countless potential victims.

F**k this country for not investing in the mental health of at-risk individuals. I might be the only person in this thread who understands the anguish and emotional abandonment that this female shooter in Nashville felt, that drove her to do something so harmful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I grew up in the uk and if we had one day like this every single citizen would vote to ban guns

I just do NOT get how anyone can possibly sleep at night with any other view.
And before anyone says ‘go back there then’ - I’m a US citizen and have just as much right to stay here and try to stop people killing kids as anyone who grew up here has to stay here and not stop them

Same thing in Australia. They had a ghastly mass shooting in Port Arthur in 1996. 21 people, I believe. That was it. Big, big changes. And Shazam! No more mass shootings.

But America does nothing, ever. Lots of Thoughts-n-Prayers, though!

Besides the UK and Australia, Norway and New Zealand have implemented significant gun reforms after one large mass shooting. Reforms are supposedly underway in Canada as well.

[Anonymous]

Please excuse this question. They say she is a woman. They say she is transgender. So does that mean her chromosomes are XY?

[Anonymous]

The Christmas Card sent out by the congressman who represents Nashville, TN, Rep. Andy Ogles (https://ogles.house.gov/), who is of course a republican.



This says it all right here. And we aren't even into April and assault weapons mass shooting season yet this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny how these shootings are always on the political forum and not the health forum if it truly is a mental health issue.
Let's at least be honest that this is a politics issue that very clearly divides the two parties. And it seems like all of the parents out there voting for Republicans are just signing their children's death warrants. And are okay with it.

None of this is funny. Some problems have more than one cause - a concept that's difficult for some to understand. It's a mental health issue, it's a lack of gun control issue, it's the fact that a lay person has the ability to buy an assault weapon, it's an issue of not sufficient security in our schools, it's an issue of red flags being ignored or minimized. By the way, people with mental illness are more likely to be victim of violence than commit an act of violence. I guess moving this discussion from the political forum to the health forum will solve the problem.

PP, you forgot to include the last clause in PP's opening sentence: if it truly is a mental health issue. The PP didn't set it up as a binary, but to point out that Republicans often hide behind the mental health fig leaf (given that they refuse to fund those services, etc).

Republicans: "It's a mental health issue"

Me: "FINE then let's ADDRESS IT by providing robust access to desperately needed mental health services in this country since many Americans can't get the help they need, along with finding ways to address mental health for those who need it but aren't seeking it out, along with ensuring we have mental health screenings for prospective gun owners."

Republicans: *crickets*

*applause*

That's exactly it, PP. I spent my 20s working a lower-income job in a red state and I had pitiful resources for my (extremely severe) mental health needs. Apart from being born with clinical depression and an anxiety disorder, I had rage issues due to a lifetime of school bullying. In other words, I matched the profile of many school shooters. I was often gaslit by the therapists my pitiful insurance partially covered. I felt the pinch for my medication, which often DIDN'T help and I had to stridently advocate for a change in dosage or even the medication prescribed because my doctors did not give two hoots about me.

When my own painstaking research revealed alternative therapies that could help me, neither insurance nor my paycheck could cover the expense. I went without.

I came to the edge of violence and suicide many times. It was my own strong will, and possibly God's Grace, that restrained me from hurting others or myself. But I cannot give ANY credit to the field of psychiatry, or to the very lackluster engagement of the medical community in the conservative state I lived in. They would've let me fall through the cracks. They would've let me become a danger to my community. They did NOT catch me as I fell, or generally give a f**k about me. I did that. I saved myself from harm, and likely countless potential victims.

F**k this country for not investing in the mental health of at-risk individuals. I might be the only person in this thread who understands the anguish and emotional abandonment that this female shooter in Nashville felt, that drove her to do something so harmful.

It could have been motivated by revenge and/or hate.

[Anonymous]

Update to story https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1640474610050248709?s=46&t=Rw_jX1uyupQwvEwsjuQulQ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Christmas Card sent out by the congressman who represents Nashville, TN, Rep. Andy Ogles (https://ogles.house.gov/), who is of course a republican.



This says it all right here. And we aren't even into April and assault weapons mass shooting season yet this year.

He’s also a lying liar.
Another republican conman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NBC News identified the shooter as Audrey Hale.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nashville-christian-school-shooter-appears-former-student-police-chief-rcna76876

A 28 year old WOMAN?

You won't hear a word about this pretty soon....

Yeah, we absolutely will, and we should. But they are saying she was a former students of the school, and identifies as transgender. She definitely doesn't fit the profile of a school shooter.

7 deaths now - 3 students, 2 adults and the shooter.

You’re right. Republicans will take the opportunity to further ratchet up the hateful rhetoric on people instead of addressing the gun problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NBC News identified the shooter as Audrey Hale.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nashville-christian-school-shooter-appears-former-student-police-chief-rcna76876

A 28 year old WOMAN?

You won't hear a word about this pretty soon....

Yeah, we absolutely will, and we should. But they are saying she was a former students of the school, and identifies as transgender. She definitely doesn't fit the profile of a school shooter.

7 deaths now - 3 students, 2 adults and the shooter.

You’re right. Republicans will take the opportunity to further ratchet up the hateful rhetoric on people instead of addressing the gun problem.

Bingo! Anything to distract from the actual problem: too many guns, easy access too guns, ease of obtaining semi-automatic rifles.

[Anonymous]

So was she male and now female? Then MTG is way off base