Bathroom security announcement

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Why won’t schools enforce the laws?

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody here cares about education and is just concerned with making school as miserable as is humanely possible.

those would be the social justice warriors who care more about certain group's feelings than actually closing the achievement gap and ensuring that kids are safe and learning in school.

or who would rather focus on poop monitors than actual education

Some kids are holding their poop because they don't feel comfortable using the bathrooms due to kids doing drugs in them.

Why do you think it's acceptable to expose minors to drug use? If you exposed your kids to drug use they'd hall your a$$ to jail.

Where did all you pearl clutchers go to school? $50K privates? Because I went to public high school in an UMC suburban community with top academic high ratings and the bathrooms had “kids doing drugs in them.”

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

Your hysterical melodrama is noted and dismissed.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

The NRA lobbyists hate this.. their solution is to hire SROs.

+1,000,000

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Clearly YOU have a political agenda.

Reading this thread, there seems to be plenty of parents posting who do not have a political agenda, but who want their kids to be able to use the restrooms at school during the day.

That is not an unreasonable expectation.

I am happy to support whatever will help improve the situation. Bathrooms have become a ‘safe’ place for kids to use and distribute drugs. All kids of drugs. This needs to be fixed, they can deal/use drugs elsewhere, but get them out of our schools.

Mmkay Becky. Let us know how that goes.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

MCPS doesn't control federal or state gun control laws, so it's a moot point since we're talking about the steps MCPS can and should take from a security and safety perspective to ensure its buildings are safe and where guns and drugs don't get in.

Stop deflecting and answer the question you were asked. Direct gun control law questions to federal and state legislators.

1. Advocate for common sense gun legislation at the federal and state level.
2. Advocate for harm-mitigation programs and funding at the federal and state level.

Neither of those are immediate steps or actions that will improve the safety and security of the learning environment in the next 30 or 60 days for students. So you want to keep the status quo in place while we wait for the long, indefinite march of advocacy to improve the situation?

That's your solution? You're not serious.

Bringing back SROs THAT WEREN’T WORKING when they were there pre-COVID aren’t “immediate steps or actions that will improve the safety and security of the learning environment in the next 30 or 60 days for students” either, yet the hysterical mom squad is here, as always, clamoring for their return. Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Clearly YOU have a political agenda.

Reading this thread, there seems to be plenty of parents posting who do not have a political agenda, but who want their kids to be able to use the restrooms at school during the day.

That is not an unreasonable expectation.

I am happy to support whatever will help improve the situation. Bathrooms have become a ‘safe’ place for kids to use and distribute drugs. All kids of drugs. This needs to be fixed, they can deal/use drugs elsewhere, but get them out of our schools.

Station a teacher outside each bathroom. No more than 2 or 3 students at a time allowed to enter bathroom. No backpacks, jackets, or hoodies. It works.

Security is not teachers' job. Why are we lobbing yet another responsibility onto teachers?

Teachers are hired to teach. Security personnel should be hired to provide school security.

Get the right resources for the right job. Stop expecting teachers to be superheroes. Enough.

Teacher here. It's what we do in our schools, plus a resource officer. Our schools aren't overrun with drugs. It works! It's called a work day.

What resource officer? MCPS schools don't have them anymore. They have CEOs who are outside of the schools.

And I have no idea how this is sustainable since teachers have to:

1) Do planning during their lunch and free periods
2) Help kids with questions before, after school and during lunch
3) There's about 5 minutes of transition time
4) There are so many students and so many bathrooms. My DC's high school has about 1700 students and I think the building has somewhere between 12-14 bathrooms throughout the building. That's a lot of logistics to manage on an ad-hoc, volunteer basis from the pool of teachers willing and able to do that and then scurry back to their classrooms in time to teach.

Yeah, I don’t believe for a single moment that poster is a teacher, especially with the pithy, chirpy “it’s called a work day.” Anonymous message boards are sooooo convenient.

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Anonymous wrote:I am livid that they restrict bathroom use when girls on their periods or kids who have intestinal issues MUST get to a bathroom quickly without needing to explain themselves to all and sundry.

My DD at Westland MS already says there are days when teachers don't have enough bathroom passes in class, or get angry and suddenly issue a moratorium on going to the bathroom. I have told her to go between classes, and that I don't care if she's late to class, but if they start restricting access then, what are kids supposed to do???

It's like a badly managed prison.

This is called collective punishment and it is a really bad way to manage anything. If some kid goes to the bathroom and vapes or does drugs or fighting or whatever, punish that kid. But do not punish the entire community.

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It sucks that they are punishing ALL our kids for the (bad) actions of just a few kids.

I want the schools to get a handle on the drug use and everything else that goes on in the school bathrooms, but this ain’t the way to go about it.

They should do a crackdown campaign and bust the kids vaping in the bathrooms. Give everyone a warning tomorrow in the announcements at school, send an email to parents, and let them all know the consequences (first offense x; second xy and much more substantial). Then do it. It won’t be persuasive for all students but it will be for some. This is ridiculous and impacting every single kid.

who cares if they vape ... they're only hurting themselves

1) The other kids who are disturbed by it and don't like it. And furthermore, you know it's illegal for kids to vape anything, let alone marijuana, which is what a lot of them are doing.

2) Second-hand vape fumes is a thing: https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/05/31/in-secondhand-vape-scientists-smell-risk

So no, they're not "only hurting themselves." They're hurting themselves and creating a hostile, unsafe learning environment for others, oh and also breaking the law.

This is asinine. You’re in the bathroom for a couple of minutes. Grow up.

You didn't even look at the linked article. You can argue with yourself, but not science.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Clearly YOU have a political agenda.

Reading this thread, there seems to be plenty of parents posting who do not have a political agenda, but who want their kids to be able to use the restrooms at school during the day.

That is not an unreasonable expectation.

I am happy to support whatever will help improve the situation. Bathrooms have become a ‘safe’ place for kids to use and distribute drugs. All kids of drugs. This needs to be fixed, they can deal/use drugs elsewhere, but get them out of our schools.

Station a teacher outside each bathroom. No more than 2 or 3 students at a time allowed to enter bathroom. No backpacks, jackets, or hoodies. It works.

Literally what was done at my HS in the 90s. Just do it already!

+1 It works. Letting kids run amuck, break rules with no consequences, use drugs, and assault others is abdicating responsibility and preventing kids from learning. It's denying thse kids an education and fair chance to succeed in life. Weak administrators.

It’s amok.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

Your hysterical melodrama is noted and dismissed.

Hysterical melodrama? Tell that to DeAndre's mother you soulless lowlife.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Guns in bathroom are rare in MCPS. But we know that drugs are ubiquitous.

The drug problem IN MCPS schools is well-documented and dangerous.

I want SROs back to help manage the drug problem.

If the police are unable to enforce the laws, it's unlikely SROs will do any better. It's not like they were effective at Parkland or Uvalde.

Agree this is a policing issue, that needs to be addressed. We need public hearings to establish why the police aren't enforcing our laws first.

I'm not saying the police are blameless here, but it is my understanding MCPS is not even referring these incidents to the police in the first place. So we can't blame MCPD for cases and incidents that aren't brought to their attention.

I HOPE MCPS is alerting MCPD to instances where they catch dealers distributing in school, but according to many students, many administrators turn a blind eye to that as well.

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It reflects poorly on a school when the police are called, so MCPS leans heavily on NOT involving the police. How can MCPD do anything when MCPS isn’t involving the police.

So now you want MCPS calling the police because kids are vaping in bathrooms?? Yeah that’ll go over well with McPs, the county council, and state as a good use of the police time. Not to mention, can’t wait to see the uproar when some kid gets caught and mommy and daddy are all up in arms worried about this small thing being in their permanent record and how that will look for colleges. Everything sounds like a great punishment right up until it’s your kid staring down the consequences.

I think tiering is a good strategy, and something MCPS does often with regard to student discipline. It could look something like this:

Tier 1: Nicotine, marijuana

First Offense: No police involved, referred to MCPS administrators and disciplinary measures such as detention or RJ
Second Offense: No police involved, but now escalated to in-school suspension
Third Offense: Out of school suspension
Fourth Offense: Police referral

Tier 2: Opioids, heroin, cocaine, crack

First Offense: EITHER no police involved but INTENSE and HANDS-ON MCPS supervisor, including counseling, recovery and close monitoring, or refer to police

With marijuana and nicotine, you can be more forgiving since it's less likely to be life or death. In that category of drugs, only the undeterred repeat offenders should be handed over to law enforcement. For opioids and other hard drugs, you've got to either envelope the student with comprehensive, intensive responses and resources, or hand it over to the county government agencies and law enforcement to deal with if the school district is ill-equipped to solve the problem.

Sounds good and reasonable to me, as a parent. Let's make this happen.

Who is “let’s?” What power have you convinced yourself you have?

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Anonymous wrote:I also like the tiering approach outlined above. But we would need people to monitor the bathrooms. I would even be in support of PTA volunteers with a walkie talkie that say “if you aren’t out of this bathroom by the time I count 10, i’m calling the community engagement officer to come here. I can’t stop you from using but you’re not going to do it in the bathroom.”

I'm leery of using volunteers for work that really should be funded and fully staffed, but it's better than nothing. I like the creative thinking applied here.

Sounds great. Let the PTA volunteer signups commence (me waiting to see the end of March report of signups, attendance, and success)

Yes, and I’m sure the PP who wrote that post will be first in line.

Cue “oh no, I wish I could, but I work full-time at a Very Important Job. It would be a great volunteer gig for other people who are SAHM moms though!”

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Anonymous wrote:I just do not understand why somebody does not tell these school children they need to behave themselves.

Then there would be no need for these SRO police.

If only the police would do their job and enforce the law, none of this would be an issue, but I feel like we're being shook down to fund SROs when they're already paid to do this.

You’re kidding, right? The politicians got rid of the police! They removed SROs, and the new model doesn’t give police the same ability to be proactive as the old one.

If you want to blame someone, point your finger at the politicians.

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So much political posturing by our progressive, liberal politicians. Who clearly don’t care about our kids or their safety. As long as they can continue to self-promote and push through their progressive agenda.

Yawwwwwnnnn. Get a new song. This one is stupid and stale.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

It’s actually a serious problem. My high school son said there are no options to go to the bathroom some days and he races home in pain.
BCC really can’t handle this. They lock the bathrooms and then lie and say they were open. Kids started posting videos online about looking for bathrooms.

You think that’s obsessing to consider this an issue?

Can you hold it from 6:50am when they get on the bus until 3 pm when they get home?
I doubt it.

NP. I don't know if it’s your kid or you but one of you is seriously blowing this out of proportion. If he's not going to the bathroom that's on him.

But they’re not. My daughter is at a different but nearby high school. It’s a real problem and those saying it’s not are truly awful people. I have no political dog in this fight. I’m very pro-gun control but even if we had a miracle in Congress tomorrow, it won’t change anything any time soon on this issue. Those saying this is made up are lying and I hope they get banned from this website. I offer no solutions here and have mixed feelings on SROs. I’m sympathetic to arguments on both sides and hope alternative solutions can be found. Let’s focus on that. But please stop denying what’s happening.

This won’t be true no matter how many times you and your cronies post it. Sorry. You have way too much free time to be in hysterics about bathrooms.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

It’s actually a serious problem. My high school son said there are no options to go to the bathroom some days and he races home in pain.
BCC really can’t handle this. They lock the bathrooms and then lie and say they were open. Kids started posting videos online about looking for bathrooms.

You think that’s obsessing to consider this an issue?

Can you hold it from 6:50am when they get on the bus until 3 pm when they get home?
I doubt it.

NP. I don't know if it’s your kid or you but one of you is seriously blowing this out of proportion. If he's not going to the bathroom that's on him.

But they’re not. My daughter is at a different but nearby high school. It’s a real problem and those saying it’s not are truly awful people. I have no political dog in this fight. I’m very pro-gun control but even if we had a miracle in Congress tomorrow, it won’t change anything any time soon on this issue. Those saying this is made up are lying and I hope they get banned from this website. I offer no solutions here and have mixed feelings on SROs. I’m sympathetic to arguments on both sides and hope alternative solutions can be found. Let’s focus on that. But please stop denying what’s happening.

What? That’s not going to happen.