Bathroom security announcement

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Anonymous wrote:At our MS, kids get 3 bathroom passes per class period each quarter. It's up to the student to manage it. And teachers can give an emergency pass if needed.

Otherwise, kids are expected to go between classes or during lunch.

Security does go into bathrooms - sometimes.

When I started my period, I had bad cramps and diarrhea. I could not control when I needed to go to the bathroom. I remember one time I couldn't go, and I was taking a math test. I broke out in a cold sweat during the test. Luckily, I was really good at math, so I got an A on that test, but I remember rushing out to use the bathroom at the end of class, and the result was quite.. disturbing.

I just stayed home a day or two with my period as it was so bad. If I had girls I’d let them stay home.

So your solution is for female students just to miss a couple days of school each month rather than address the issue? Families can choose to do so but let’s make sure it’s actually a choice.

What issue? Sure, you may see a kid vaping once in a while but that's hardly anything to get worked up over.

Exactly. Kids smoking in the school bathrooms is hardly some new development. Kids did that in the 90s when I was in HS. And I’m sure they did it well before that too. It’s not great, but people need to get some perspective.

It was not prevalent in good schools. Depends where you attended school.

Yes it was.

Prevalent? Not at all. Didn't say it didn't happen in good schools, but it wasn't common. Our administrators had tough consequences for smoking.

It was very common but kids weren't as obvious about it. Nothing happened when you smoked or even skipped class.

PP here. I've worked in public schools at all levels for a long time. I can promise you that in our district smoking in bathrooms was not common at all. Teachers stand outside the bathrooms at breaks. The smell of smoke would result in an immediate response from one of our administrators, coaches, male custodians (if in the boys' bathroom), or campus polic officer.

Ok, but we are talking about mcps so your comment is not relevant.

Yeah, MCPS ignores smoking/vaping/drug use. The kids know they can smoke/vape/deal pills at school without any consequence. THAT is the difference. No immediate response. There is no enforcement of any rules so the kids do what they want.

Montgomery county police are knowingly turning a blind eye to drug dealing?

MCPD is no longer in the HS. Elrich, Jawando, and the rest of the progressive liberals made sure of that.

That is completely wrong. MCPD is still responsible for enforcing laws in this county. Schools are not lawless zones perhaps because they've abdicated their responsibility.

It sounds like MCPD is upset that they cut the SRO gravy train and are shaking down schools by adbidcating their duties to protect our children.

Exactly, MCPS is not law enforcement and If our laws are not being enforced then this falls on MCPD.

If MCPS is not referring cases where students are using substances in school bathrooms to MCPD, what do you want MCPD to do? Mind read?

Mind reading isn't required since according to the claims here these bathrooms are open air drug markets, so it's common knowledge that the law is being broken.

So MCPD can barge into the school buildings without getting approval from MCPS to monitor and police the bathrooms? Stop playing dumb.

I wasn't aware the police needed permission to enter a public building, particularly if they suspect a crime is happening. Is that some sort of law or regulation?

If you're aware of a situation where police randomly, unexpectedly patrol and sweep school buildings then I'm all ears. But that obviously isn't the norm as they police rely on the schools to call and alert them to suspected crime, hence why SROs were installed in the first place.

If police always patrolled and covered schools, there never would have been a need to station a police officer in a high school building in the first place.

But you know that and you're just trolling for kicks. Go play somewhere else.

+1 Police are not allowed to walk the hallways without admin say so, and since the SJW like Elrich don't want police to walk the hallways, MCPD can't do anything about it. And how would they know when, exactly which HS/bathroom have kids doing drugs unless someone in the HS alerts them quickly? By the time they respond, the kids would be long gone from the bathroom.

That's why having SROs walk the hallways makes sense if you are serious about getting kids to stop doing drugs in school. Those kids aren't scared of security guards, admins or teachers because they know that all the school will do is make you go through RJ, which all the kids see as a joke.

+1 exactly right

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Anonymous wrote:At our MS, kids get 3 bathroom passes per class period each quarter. It's up to the student to manage it. And teachers can give an emergency pass if needed.

Otherwise, kids are expected to go between classes or during lunch.

Security does go into bathrooms - sometimes.

When I started my period, I had bad cramps and diarrhea. I could not control when I needed to go to the bathroom. I remember one time I couldn't go, and I was taking a math test. I broke out in a cold sweat during the test. Luckily, I was really good at math, so I got an A on that test, but I remember rushing out to use the bathroom at the end of class, and the result was quite.. disturbing.

I just stayed home a day or two with my period as it was so bad. If I had girls I’d let them stay home.

So your solution is for female students just to miss a couple days of school each month rather than address the issue? Families can choose to do so but let’s make sure it’s actually a choice.

What issue? Sure, you may see a kid vaping once in a while but that's hardly anything to get worked up over.

Exactly. Kids smoking in the school bathrooms is hardly some new development. Kids did that in the 90s when I was in HS. And I’m sure they did it well before that too. It’s not great, but people need to get some perspective.

It was not prevalent in good schools. Depends where you attended school.

Yes it was.

Prevalent? Not at all. Didn't say it didn't happen in good schools, but it wasn't common. Our administrators had tough consequences for smoking.

It was very common but kids weren't as obvious about it. Nothing happened when you smoked or even skipped class.

PP here. I've worked in public schools at all levels for a long time. I can promise you that in our district smoking in bathrooms was not common at all. Teachers stand outside the bathrooms at breaks. The smell of smoke would result in an immediate response from one of our administrators, coaches, male custodians (if in the boys' bathroom), or campus polic officer.

Ok, but we are talking about mcps so your comment is not relevant.

Yeah, MCPS ignores smoking/vaping/drug use. The kids know they can smoke/vape/deal pills at school without any consequence. THAT is the difference. No immediate response. There is no enforcement of any rules so the kids do what they want.

Montgomery county police are knowingly turning a blind eye to drug dealing?

MCPD is no longer in the HS. Elrich, Jawando, and the rest of the progressive liberals made sure of that.

That is completely wrong. MCPD is still responsible for enforcing laws in this county. Schools are not lawless zones perhaps because they've abdicated their responsibility.

It sounds like MCPD is upset that they cut the SRO gravy train and are shaking down schools by adbidcating their duties to protect our children.

Exactly, MCPS is not law enforcement and If our laws are not being enforced then this falls on MCPD.

If MCPS is not referring cases where students are using substances in school bathrooms to MCPD, what do you want MCPD to do? Mind read?

Mind reading isn't required since according to the claims here these bathrooms are open air drug markets, so it's common knowledge that the law is being broken.

So MCPD can barge into the school buildings without getting approval from MCPS to monitor and police the bathrooms? Stop playing dumb.

I wasn't aware the police needed permission to enter a public building, particularly if they suspect a crime is happening. Is that some sort of law or regulation?

If you're aware of a situation where police randomly, unexpectedly patrol and sweep school buildings then I'm all ears. But that obviously isn't the norm as they police rely on the schools to call and alert them to suspected crime, hence why SROs were installed in the first place.

If police always patrolled and covered schools, there never would have been a need to station a police officer in a high school building in the first place.

But you know that and you're just trolling for kicks. Go play somewhere else.

+1 Police are not allowed to walk the hallways without admin say so, and since the SJW like Elrich don't want police to walk the hallways, MCPD can't do anything about it. And how would they know when, exactly which HS/bathroom have kids doing drugs unless someone in the HS alerts them quickly? By the time they respond, the kids would be long gone from the bathroom.

That's why having SROs walk the hallways makes sense if you are serious about getting kids to stop doing drugs in school. Those kids aren't scared of security guards, admins or teachers because they know that all the school will do is make you go through RJ, which all the kids see as a joke.

So you're claiming that schools are lawless zones where the police have no jurisdiction?

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Anonymous wrote:At our MS, kids get 3 bathroom passes per class period each quarter. It's up to the student to manage it. And teachers can give an emergency pass if needed.

Otherwise, kids are expected to go between classes or during lunch.

Security does go into bathrooms - sometimes.

When I started my period, I had bad cramps and diarrhea. I could not control when I needed to go to the bathroom. I remember one time I couldn't go, and I was taking a math test. I broke out in a cold sweat during the test. Luckily, I was really good at math, so I got an A on that test, but I remember rushing out to use the bathroom at the end of class, and the result was quite.. disturbing.

I just stayed home a day or two with my period as it was so bad. If I had girls I’d let them stay home.

So your solution is for female students just to miss a couple days of school each month rather than address the issue? Families can choose to do so but let’s make sure it’s actually a choice.

What issue? Sure, you may see a kid vaping once in a while but that's hardly anything to get worked up over.

Exactly. Kids smoking in the school bathrooms is hardly some new development. Kids did that in the 90s when I was in HS. And I’m sure they did it well before that too. It’s not great, but people need to get some perspective.

It was not prevalent in good schools. Depends where you attended school.

Yes it was.

Prevalent? Not at all. Didn't say it didn't happen in good schools, but it wasn't common. Our administrators had tough consequences for smoking.

It was very common but kids weren't as obvious about it. Nothing happened when you smoked or even skipped class.

PP here. I've worked in public schools at all levels for a long time. I can promise you that in our district smoking in bathrooms was not common at all. Teachers stand outside the bathrooms at breaks. The smell of smoke would result in an immediate response from one of our administrators, coaches, male custodians (if in the boys' bathroom), or campus polic officer.

Ok, but we are talking about mcps so your comment is not relevant.

Yeah, MCPS ignores smoking/vaping/drug use. The kids know they can smoke/vape/deal pills at school without any consequence. THAT is the difference. No immediate response. There is no enforcement of any rules so the kids do what they want.

Montgomery county police are knowingly turning a blind eye to drug dealing?

MCPD is no longer in the HS. Elrich, Jawando, and the rest of the progressive liberals made sure of that.

That is completely wrong. MCPD is still responsible for enforcing laws in this county. Schools are not lawless zones perhaps because they've abdicated their responsibility.

It sounds like MCPD is upset that they cut the SRO gravy train and are shaking down schools by adbidcating their duties to protect our children.

This sounds more plausible than the other explanations here.

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Buy your daughters Thinx and teach them to use tampons.

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Anonymous wrote:At our MS, kids get 3 bathroom passes per class period each quarter. It's up to the student to manage it. And teachers can give an emergency pass if needed.

Otherwise, kids are expected to go between classes or during lunch.

Security does go into bathrooms - sometimes.

When I started my period, I had bad cramps and diarrhea. I could not control when I needed to go to the bathroom. I remember one time I couldn't go, and I was taking a math test. I broke out in a cold sweat during the test. Luckily, I was really good at math, so I got an A on that test, but I remember rushing out to use the bathroom at the end of class, and the result was quite.. disturbing.

I just stayed home a day or two with my period as it was so bad. If I had girls I’d let them stay home.

So your solution is for female students just to miss a couple days of school each month rather than address the issue? Families can choose to do so but let’s make sure it’s actually a choice.

What issue? Sure, you may see a kid vaping once in a while but that's hardly anything to get worked up over.

Exactly. Kids smoking in the school bathrooms is hardly some new development. Kids did that in the 90s when I was in HS. And I’m sure they did it well before that too. It’s not great, but people need to get some perspective.

It was not prevalent in good schools. Depends where you attended school.

Yes it was.

Prevalent? Not at all. Didn't say it didn't happen in good schools, but it wasn't common. Our administrators had tough consequences for smoking.

It was very common but kids weren't as obvious about it. Nothing happened when you smoked or even skipped class.

PP here. I've worked in public schools at all levels for a long time. I can promise you that in our district smoking in bathrooms was not common at all. Teachers stand outside the bathrooms at breaks. The smell of smoke would result in an immediate response from one of our administrators, coaches, male custodians (if in the boys' bathroom), or campus polic officer.

Ok, but we are talking about mcps so your comment is not relevant.

Yeah, MCPS ignores smoking/vaping/drug use. The kids know they can smoke/vape/deal pills at school without any consequence. THAT is the difference. No immediate response. There is no enforcement of any rules so the kids do what they want.

Montgomery county police are knowingly turning a blind eye to drug dealing?

MCPD is no longer in the HS. Elrich, Jawando, and the rest of the progressive liberals made sure of that.

That is completely wrong. MCPD is still responsible for enforcing laws in this county. Schools are not lawless zones perhaps because they've abdicated their responsibility.

It sounds like MCPD is upset that they cut the SRO gravy train and are shaking down schools by adbidcating their duties to protect our children.

Exactly, MCPS is not law enforcement and If our laws are not being enforced then this falls on MCPD.

If MCPS is not referring cases where students are using substances in school bathrooms to MCPD, what do you want MCPD to do? Mind read?

Mind reading isn't required since according to the claims here these bathrooms are open air drug markets, so it's common knowledge that the law is being broken.

So MCPD can barge into the school buildings without getting approval from MCPS to monitor and police the bathrooms? Stop playing dumb.

I wasn't aware the police needed permission to enter a public building, particularly if they suspect a crime is happening. Is that some sort of law or regulation?

If you're aware of a situation where police randomly, unexpectedly patrol and sweep school buildings then I'm all ears. But that obviously isn't the norm as they police rely on the schools to call and alert them to suspected crime, hence why SROs were installed in the first place.

If police always patrolled and covered schools, there never would have been a need to station a police officer in a high school building in the first place.

But you know that and you're just trolling for kicks. Go play somewhere else.

+1 Police are not allowed to walk the hallways without admin say so, and since the SJW like Elrich don't want police to walk the hallways, MCPD can't do anything about it. And how would they know when, exactly which HS/bathroom have kids doing drugs unless someone in the HS alerts them quickly? By the time they respond, the kids would be long gone from the bathroom.

That's why having SROs walk the hallways makes sense if you are serious about getting kids to stop doing drugs in school. Those kids aren't scared of security guards, admins or teachers because they know that all the school will do is make you go through RJ, which all the kids see as a joke.

So you're claiming that schools are lawless zones where the police have no jurisdiction?

Yes. See the MCPS mou with police.

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Anonymous wrote:At our MS, kids get 3 bathroom passes per class period each quarter. It's up to the student to manage it. And teachers can give an emergency pass if needed.

Otherwise, kids are expected to go between classes or during lunch.

Security does go into bathrooms - sometimes.

When I started my period, I had bad cramps and diarrhea. I could not control when I needed to go to the bathroom. I remember one time I couldn't go, and I was taking a math test. I broke out in a cold sweat during the test. Luckily, I was really good at math, so I got an A on that test, but I remember rushing out to use the bathroom at the end of class, and the result was quite.. disturbing.

I just stayed home a day or two with my period as it was so bad. If I had girls I’d let them stay home.

So your solution is for female students just to miss a couple days of school each month rather than address the issue? Families can choose to do so but let’s make sure it’s actually a choice.

What issue? Sure, you may see a kid vaping once in a while but that's hardly anything to get worked up over.

Exactly. Kids smoking in the school bathrooms is hardly some new development. Kids did that in the 90s when I was in HS. And I’m sure they did it well before that too. It’s not great, but people need to get some perspective.

It was not prevalent in good schools. Depends where you attended school.

Yes it was.

Prevalent? Not at all. Didn't say it didn't happen in good schools, but it wasn't common. Our administrators had tough consequences for smoking.

It was very common but kids weren't as obvious about it. Nothing happened when you smoked or even skipped class.

PP here. I've worked in public schools at all levels for a long time. I can promise you that in our district smoking in bathrooms was not common at all. Teachers stand outside the bathrooms at breaks. The smell of smoke would result in an immediate response from one of our administrators, coaches, male custodians (if in the boys' bathroom), or campus polic officer.

Ok, but we are talking about mcps so your comment is not relevant.

Yeah, MCPS ignores smoking/vaping/drug use. The kids know they can smoke/vape/deal pills at school without any consequence. THAT is the difference. No immediate response. There is no enforcement of any rules so the kids do what they want.

Montgomery county police are knowingly turning a blind eye to drug dealing?

MCPD is no longer in the HS. Elrich, Jawando, and the rest of the progressive liberals made sure of that.

That is completely wrong. MCPD is still responsible for enforcing laws in this county. Schools are not lawless zones perhaps because they've abdicated their responsibility.

It sounds like MCPD is upset that they cut the SRO gravy train and are shaking down schools by adbidcating their duties to protect our children.

This sounds more plausible than the other explanations here.

If true, I get it. MCPS blew it with the MCPD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Buy your daughters Thinx and teach them to use tampons.

You expect a girl to keep a tampon in from 7am - 3pm?

Wow, you truly are a misogynist, aren’t you?

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Anonymous wrote:At our MS, kids get 3 bathroom passes per class period each quarter. It's up to the student to manage it. And teachers can give an emergency pass if needed.

Otherwise, kids are expected to go between classes or during lunch.

Security does go into bathrooms - sometimes.

When I started my period, I had bad cramps and diarrhea. I could not control when I needed to go to the bathroom. I remember one time I couldn't go, and I was taking a math test. I broke out in a cold sweat during the test. Luckily, I was really good at math, so I got an A on that test, but I remember rushing out to use the bathroom at the end of class, and the result was quite.. disturbing.

I just stayed home a day or two with my period as it was so bad. If I had girls I’d let them stay home.

So your solution is for female students just to miss a couple days of school each month rather than address the issue? Families can choose to do so but let’s make sure it’s actually a choice.

What issue? Sure, you may see a kid vaping once in a while but that's hardly anything to get worked up over.

Exactly. Kids smoking in the school bathrooms is hardly some new development. Kids did that in the 90s when I was in HS. And I’m sure they did it well before that too. It’s not great, but people need to get some perspective.

It was not prevalent in good schools. Depends where you attended school.

Yes it was.

Prevalent? Not at all. Didn't say it didn't happen in good schools, but it wasn't common. Our administrators had tough consequences for smoking.

It was very common but kids weren't as obvious about it. Nothing happened when you smoked or even skipped class.

PP here. I've worked in public schools at all levels for a long time. I can promise you that in our district smoking in bathrooms was not common at all. Teachers stand outside the bathrooms at breaks. The smell of smoke would result in an immediate response from one of our administrators, coaches, male custodians (if in the boys' bathroom), or campus polic officer.

Ok, but we are talking about mcps so your comment is not relevant.

Yeah, MCPS ignores smoking/vaping/drug use. The kids know they can smoke/vape/deal pills at school without any consequence. THAT is the difference. No immediate response. There is no enforcement of any rules so the kids do what they want.

Montgomery county police are knowingly turning a blind eye to drug dealing?

MCPD is no longer in the HS. Elrich, Jawando, and the rest of the progressive liberals made sure of that.

That is completely wrong. MCPD is still responsible for enforcing laws in this county. Schools are not lawless zones perhaps because they've abdicated their responsibility.

It sounds like MCPD is upset that they cut the SRO gravy train and are shaking down schools by adbidcating their duties to protect our children.

This sounds more plausible than the other explanations here.

It sounds like you are sock puppeting and speaking out of your a$$.

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Welp, this is relevant to the convo but the bathroom situation at MCPS is getting more messy. CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) is pushing back on a lot about the way MCPS bathrooms work: https://wjla.com/news/local/cair-council-on-american-islamic-relations-montgomery-county-public-schools-mcps-bathroom-controversy-letter-monifa-mcknight-privacy-genders-perched-on-a-urinal-policies-gender-neutral-students-hijab-religion-occupancy-beliefs#

Particularly, around MCPS unilaterally loosening single-gender bathrooms to multi-gender bathrooms:

Privacy doors for each individual stall in multi-occupancy public school bathrooms.
Closing off of urinals in each multi-occupancy bathroom in public schools from use unless and until privacy curtains or doors are installed around each individual unit.
Mirrors are installed on the inside of at least one stall door of each multi-occupancy bathroom so students who wear hijab (Islamic head scarf) and others can adjust their clothing in private.
Signage on multi-occupancy bathroom doors reflecting the school system’s guidelines on unisex and gender-neutral bathrooms so students are informed, prepared and aware of the changes before entering bathrooms, and have a reasonable opportunity (and additional accommodations/time if necessary) to seek out single occupancy bathrooms in school if they choose to do so.
New construction of public schools featuring plans exclusively for single occupancy bathrooms versus multi-occupancy bathrooms.

I think these complaints have merit and MCPS should've been a lot more deliberate and thoughtful about how some of these changes would affect everyone and not just appeasing the transgender crowd.

I also thought these points made to MCPS about how it needs to consider the rights of ALL students with regard to using the bathroom to be incredibly sound:

One student's rights should not violate the rights of others.
Every child deserves to be seen and valued without it being at the expense of others.
Schools have a responsibility to be transparent with parents about policies and guidelines.
Trust in the school system requires transparency and opportunity for community input.
No child should feel unsafe or have to wait to use the bathroom until they get home at the end of the school day because they feel they cannot uphold their sincerely held religious beliefs regarding privacy and modesty.

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Anonymous wrote:At our MS, kids get 3 bathroom passes per class period each quarter. It's up to the student to manage it. And teachers can give an emergency pass if needed.

Otherwise, kids are expected to go between classes or during lunch.

Security does go into bathrooms - sometimes.

When I started my period, I had bad cramps and diarrhea. I could not control when I needed to go to the bathroom. I remember one time I couldn't go, and I was taking a math test. I broke out in a cold sweat during the test. Luckily, I was really good at math, so I got an A on that test, but I remember rushing out to use the bathroom at the end of class, and the result was quite.. disturbing.

I just stayed home a day or two with my period as it was so bad. If I had girls I’d let them stay home.

So your solution is for female students just to miss a couple days of school each month rather than address the issue? Families can choose to do so but let’s make sure it’s actually a choice.

What issue? Sure, you may see a kid vaping once in a while but that's hardly anything to get worked up over.

Exactly. Kids smoking in the school bathrooms is hardly some new development. Kids did that in the 90s when I was in HS. And I’m sure they did it well before that too. It’s not great, but people need to get some perspective.

It was not prevalent in good schools. Depends where you attended school.

Yes it was.

Prevalent? Not at all. Didn't say it didn't happen in good schools, but it wasn't common. Our administrators had tough consequences for smoking.

It was very common but kids weren't as obvious about it. Nothing happened when you smoked or even skipped class.

PP here. I've worked in public schools at all levels for a long time. I can promise you that in our district smoking in bathrooms was not common at all. Teachers stand outside the bathrooms at breaks. The smell of smoke would result in an immediate response from one of our administrators, coaches, male custodians (if in the boys' bathroom), or campus polic officer.

Ok, but we are talking about mcps so your comment is not relevant.

Yeah, MCPS ignores smoking/vaping/drug use. The kids know they can smoke/vape/deal pills at school without any consequence. THAT is the difference. No immediate response. There is no enforcement of any rules so the kids do what they want.

Montgomery county police are knowingly turning a blind eye to drug dealing?

MCPD is no longer in the HS. Elrich, Jawando, and the rest of the progressive liberals made sure of that.

That is completely wrong. MCPD is still responsible for enforcing laws in this county. Schools are not lawless zones perhaps because they've abdicated their responsibility.

It sounds like MCPD is upset that they cut the SRO gravy train and are shaking down schools by adbidcating their duties to protect our children.

Exactly, MCPS is not law enforcement and If our laws are not being enforced then this falls on MCPD.

If MCPS is not referring cases where students are using substances in school bathrooms to MCPD, what do you want MCPD to do? Mind read?

Mind reading isn't required since according to the claims here these bathrooms are open air drug markets, so it's common knowledge that the law is being broken.

So MCPD can barge into the school buildings without getting approval from MCPS to monitor and police the bathrooms? Stop playing dumb.

I wasn't aware the police needed permission to enter a public building, particularly if they suspect a crime is happening. Is that some sort of law or regulation?

If you're aware of a situation where police randomly, unexpectedly patrol and sweep school buildings then I'm all ears. But that obviously isn't the norm as they police rely on the schools to call and alert them to suspected crime, hence why SROs were installed in the first place.

If police always patrolled and covered schools, there never would have been a need to station a police officer in a high school building in the first place.

But you know that and you're just trolling for kicks. Go play somewhere else.

+1 Police are not allowed to walk the hallways without admin say so, and since the SJW like Elrich don't want police to walk the hallways, MCPD can't do anything about it. And how would they know when, exactly which HS/bathroom have kids doing drugs unless someone in the HS alerts them quickly? By the time they respond, the kids would be long gone from the bathroom.

That's why having SROs walk the hallways makes sense if you are serious about getting kids to stop doing drugs in school. Those kids aren't scared of security guards, admins or teachers because they know that all the school will do is make you go through RJ, which all the kids see as a joke.

So you're claiming that schools are lawless zones where the police have no jurisdiction?

Payback....

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Anonymous wrote:Just signed a contract with our private for another year. $52k/year. It's a hefty sum, but it's worth it for us compared to MCPS. We were in MCPS before, but after watching BOE meetings online during Covid (to see when they would reopen), it was clear the BOE isn't good at more than rubber-stamping requests from MCPS, and MCPS is pretty inept at management at the top. The teachers we had in MCPS were great, but they're held down by the MCPS "system".

Funny thing is we're completely happy with MCPS. It may not be perfect but if you're involved in your kids, education they'll do fine.

You can be involved at home, but how do you solve things like the bathroom situation being reported here? Buy diapers? It's not like you manage the security guards or the principal.

We were only allowed three bathroom passes a semester when I was in MS long ago. No diapers required and nobody died.

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Anonymous wrote:Just signed a contract with our private for another year. $52k/year. It's a hefty sum, but it's worth it for us compared to MCPS. We were in MCPS before, but after watching BOE meetings online during Covid (to see when they would reopen), it was clear the BOE isn't good at more than rubber-stamping requests from MCPS, and MCPS is pretty inept at management at the top. The teachers we had in MCPS were great, but they're held down by the MCPS "system".

Funny thing is we're completely happy with MCPS. It may not be perfect but if you're involved in your kids, education they'll do fine.

You can be involved at home, but how do you solve things like the bathroom situation being reported here? Buy diapers? It's not like you manage the security guards or the principal.

We were only allowed three bathroom passes a semester when I was in MS long ago. No diapers required and nobody died.

PP again. And yes before you attempt to play The Disability Card, if you had a medically documented note that your medical condition required immediate bathroom access, you could bring a doctor’s note and be exempt from the rule. Very few people did, though, because helicopterism and coddling were far less prevalent in the 90s.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure I get it -- if kids are vaping/smoking weed in the restroom all the time, why doesn't security patrol and punish the offenders? Seems like the good kids are suffering unnecessarily.

I asked my DCs if the security guards sweep the bathrooms. This is what they said:

"They stand outside the bathrooms, and yell, 'Go to class', then walk away".

So, they don't bother to check if the kids are actually going to class or whether there is drug use or other scary sh1t going on in there. IMO, the security guards don't really care. They are just phoning it in, and getting a paycheck. I say we need SROs back to sweep the bathrooms. Oh, but certain PoC might get arrested more for doing something illegal, so that would be not good, per the equity police.

I am so sick of this sh1t. I have 3 years left in MCPS.

You want armed police officers for routine patrols of high school bathrooms?

Yes. The security guards aren't doing anything, and even if they catch the kids, there are no consequences. So, if you want real "teeth" as a PP stated, then you need SROs to sweep the bathrooms. That is the only way to stop these kids - fear of arrest because they don't care if they get suspended or have detention.

Why do you care if these kids get arrested? I don't care at all what happens to those kids in particular, I just want the bathrooms open and available for the kids who need it. So an adult walking in there and saying go back to class is sufficient, but they actually have to DO that consistently.

But the security guards aren't going in the bathrooms to check. Did you read my previous post upthread?

I want them gone from my kids' school. Why do my kids have to suffer not being able to use the bathroom without feeling anxious because some kids can't follow the rules and not do bad sh1t on school grounds? If they want to do drugs, don't come to school. School is for learning, not babysitting.

Sadly we learned in 2020 that for at least 75% of parents, this is not the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure I get it -- if kids are vaping/smoking weed in the restroom all the time, why doesn't security patrol and punish the offenders? Seems like the good kids are suffering unnecessarily.

I asked my DCs if the security guards sweep the bathrooms. This is what they said:

"They stand outside the bathrooms, and yell, 'Go to class', then walk away".

So, they don't bother to check if the kids are actually going to class or whether there is drug use or other scary sh1t going on in there. IMO, the security guards don't really care. They are just phoning it in, and getting a paycheck. I say we need SROs back to sweep the bathrooms. Oh, but certain PoC might get arrested more for doing something illegal, so that would be not good, per the equity police.

I am so sick of this sh1t. I have 3 years left in MCPS.

You want armed police officers for routine patrols of high school bathrooms?

Yes. The security guards aren't doing anything, and even if they catch the kids, there are no consequences. So, if you want real "teeth" as a PP stated, then you need SROs to sweep the bathrooms. That is the only way to stop these kids - fear of arrest because they don't care if they get suspended or have detention.

Let's just go ahead and combine the prison board and the school board, for greater efficiency.

what's your solution? Give them a hug and tell them to go to class?

Obviously those are the only two possible options.

According to the ^PP that was the solution they took from people's post about having SROs.

SROs are supposed to make bathrooms safe now?

People in general, including kids, are less likely to do bad things in the presence of cops. Kids don't care about security guards.

I wonder why that didn't happen when they were present at Parkland and Uvalde?

I wonder why you keep bringing up 2 instances out of how many, and also instances that didn't happen in MoCo let alone in MD.

I’m not that PP, but probably because they’re two very serious, very high profile cases that disprove your blanket proclamations.

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Anonymous wrote:I am livid that they restrict bathroom use when girls on their periods or kids who have intestinal issues MUST get to a bathroom quickly without needing to explain themselves to all and sundry.

My DD at Westland MS already says there are days when teachers don't have enough bathroom passes in class, or get angry and suddenly issue a moratorium on going to the bathroom. I have told her to go between classes, and that I don't care if she's late to class, but if they start restricting access then, what are kids supposed to do???

It's like a badly managed prison.

This is called collective punishment and it is a really bad way to manage anything. If some kid goes to the bathroom and vapes or does drugs or fighting or whatever, punish that kid. But do not punish the entire community.

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It sucks that they are punishing ALL our kids for the (bad) actions of just a few kids.

I want the schools to get a handle on the drug use and everything else that goes on in the school bathrooms, but this ain’t the way to go about it.

They should do a crackdown campaign and bust the kids vaping in the bathrooms. Give everyone a warning tomorrow in the announcements at school, send an email to parents, and let them all know the consequences (first offense x; second xy and much more substantial). Then do it. It won’t be persuasive for all students but it will be for some. This is ridiculous and impacting every single kid.

who cares if they vape ... they're only hurting themselves

1) The other kids who are disturbed by it and don't like it. And furthermore, you know it's illegal for kids to vape anything, let alone marijuana, which is what a lot of them are doing.

2) Second-hand vape fumes is a thing: https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/05/31/in-secondhand-vape-scientists-smell-risk

So no, they're not "only hurting themselves." They're hurting themselves and creating a hostile, unsafe learning environment for others, oh and also breaking the law.

This is asinine. You’re in the bathroom for a couple of minutes. Grow up.