Bathroom security announcement

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Anonymous wrote:At our MS, kids get 3 bathroom passes per class period each quarter. It's up to the student to manage it. And teachers can give an emergency pass if needed.

Otherwise, kids are expected to go between classes or during lunch.

Security does go into bathrooms - sometimes.

When I started my period, I had bad cramps and diarrhea. I could not control when I needed to go to the bathroom. I remember one time I couldn't go, and I was taking a math test. I broke out in a cold sweat during the test. Luckily, I was really good at math, so I got an A on that test, but I remember rushing out to use the bathroom at the end of class, and the result was quite.. disturbing.

I just stayed home a day or two with my period as it was so bad. If I had girls I’d let them stay home.

So your solution is for female students just to miss a couple days of school each month rather than address the issue? Families can choose to do so but let’s make sure it’s actually a choice.

+1 are we living in a 3rd world county where girls on their periods are made to stay home from school?

Please point out where anyone said “made to.” Thanks in advance.

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Anonymous wrote:These schools need to expel kids who break the rules. Plain and simple, if you're caught vaping at school or doing drugs then you should be expelled. Put this issue back on the parents.

That is no an option because it is not Equitable.

Both are against the law. I don't understand why the police aren't doing their jobs.

because Elrich and his progressive crew don't want certain groups to be disproportionately impacted.

Some progressive liberal stated that in order to be equitable, you have to apply rules inequitably.

So, here we are.

So you believe the police aren't doing their job because of some far-left conspiracy group? These are laws that are on the books. Enforcing them isn't controversial. I think the theory the police are intentionally turning a blind eye to shake the county down for the SRO funds holds more merit.

the police cannot do their jobs in the HS because Elrich and his progressive crew basically defunded the police in the schools. Cops cannot go into the HS at will and arrest people. They have to be called in by admin. So, it's really the admins in the school who are turning a blind eye due to #equity. It's not the cops not wanting to do their jobs.

I think you are dumb to think cops don't want to arrest law breakers. Elrich and the progressives voted to defund the police and get cops out of school. The police actually were willing to make changes to keep SROs in schools, and MCPS was going to do a study to look at the impact of SROs in MCPS but Elrich and Jawando defunded the police before any study could be completed.

So again, now here we are..

The other option is for MCPS to just hire more security guards and hall monitors. Problem solved to get around those against it. We need more security than just SRO's at this point and need a mix of solutions.

Nobody wants to work in public schools as it is. Where are you getting all these people again, how much are you paying them and are you going to pay the tax increase?

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Anonymous wrote:At our MS, kids get 3 bathroom passes per class period each quarter. It's up to the student to manage it. And teachers can give an emergency pass if needed.

Otherwise, kids are expected to go between classes or during lunch.

Security does go into bathrooms - sometimes.

When I started my period, I had bad cramps and diarrhea. I could not control when I needed to go to the bathroom. I remember one time I couldn't go, and I was taking a math test. I broke out in a cold sweat during the test. Luckily, I was really good at math, so I got an A on that test, but I remember rushing out to use the bathroom at the end of class, and the result was quite.. disturbing.

I just stayed home a day or two with my period as it was so bad. If I had girls I’d let them stay home.

So your solution is for female students just to miss a couple days of school each month rather than address the issue? Families can choose to do so but let’s make sure it’s actually a choice.

What issue? Sure, you may see a kid vaping once in a while but that's hardly anything to get worked up over.

Exactly. Kids smoking in the school bathrooms is hardly some new development. Kids did that in the 90s when I was in HS. And I’m sure they did it well before that too. It’s not great, but people need to get some perspective.

It was not prevalent in good schools. Depends where you attended school.

Yes it was.

Prevalent? Not at all. Didn't say it didn't happen in good schools, but it wasn't common. Our administrators had tough consequences for smoking.

It was very common but kids weren't as obvious about it. Nothing happened when you smoked or even skipped class.

PP here. I've worked in public schools at all levels for a long time. I can promise you that in our district smoking in bathrooms was not common at all. Teachers stand outside the bathrooms at breaks. The smell of smoke would result in an immediate response from one of our administrators, coaches, male custodians (if in the boys' bathroom), or campus polic officer.

Ok, but we are talking about mcps so your comment is not relevant.

Yeah, MCPS ignores smoking/vaping/drug use. The kids know they can smoke/vape/deal pills at school without any consequence. THAT is the difference. No immediate response. There is no enforcement of any rules so the kids do what they want.

Montgomery county police are knowingly turning a blind eye to drug dealing?

MCPD is no longer in the HS. Elrich, Jawando, and the rest of the progressive liberals made sure of that.

No one cares, Trumper.

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Anonymous wrote:At our MS, kids get 3 bathroom passes per class period each quarter. It's up to the student to manage it. And teachers can give an emergency pass if needed.

Otherwise, kids are expected to go between classes or during lunch.

Security does go into bathrooms - sometimes.

When I started my period, I had bad cramps and diarrhea. I could not control when I needed to go to the bathroom. I remember one time I couldn't go, and I was taking a math test. I broke out in a cold sweat during the test. Luckily, I was really good at math, so I got an A on that test, but I remember rushing out to use the bathroom at the end of class, and the result was quite.. disturbing.

I just stayed home a day or two with my period as it was so bad. If I had girls I’d let them stay home.

So your solution is for female students just to miss a couple days of school each month rather than address the issue? Families can choose to do so but let’s make sure it’s actually a choice.

What issue? Sure, you may see a kid vaping once in a while but that's hardly anything to get worked up over.

Exactly. Kids smoking in the school bathrooms is hardly some new development. Kids did that in the 90s when I was in HS. And I’m sure they did it well before that too. It’s not great, but people need to get some perspective.

It was not prevalent in good schools. Depends where you attended school.

Yes it was.

Prevalent? Not at all. Didn't say it didn't happen in good schools, but it wasn't common. Our administrators had tough consequences for smoking.

It was very common but kids weren't as obvious about it. Nothing happened when you smoked or even skipped class.

PP here. I've worked in public schools at all levels for a long time. I can promise you that in our district smoking in bathrooms was not common at all. Teachers stand outside the bathrooms at breaks. The smell of smoke would result in an immediate response from one of our administrators, coaches, male custodians (if in the boys' bathroom), or campus polic officer.

Ok, but we are talking about mcps so your comment is not relevant.

Yeah, MCPS ignores smoking/vaping/drug use. The kids know they can smoke/vape/deal pills at school without any consequence. THAT is the difference. No immediate response. There is no enforcement of any rules so the kids do what they want.

Montgomery county police are knowingly turning a blind eye to drug dealing?

MCPD is no longer in the HS. Elrich, Jawando, and the rest of the progressive liberals made sure of that.

That is completely wrong. MCPD is still responsible for enforcing laws in this county. Schools are not lawless zones perhaps because they've abdicated their responsibility.

It sounds like MCPD is upset that they cut the SRO gravy train and are shaking down schools by adbidcating their duties to protect our children.

Exactly, MCPS is not law enforcement and If our laws are not being enforced then this falls on MCPD.

If MCPS is not referring cases where students are using substances in school bathrooms to MCPD, what do you want MCPD to do? Mind read?

Mind reading isn't required since according to the claims here these bathrooms are open air drug markets, so it's common knowledge that the law is being broken.

That's why we need police officers patroling the school hallways. Glad ypu agree!

I’m really sorry to break it to you, but it’s not going to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:At our MS, kids get 3 bathroom passes per class period each quarter. It's up to the student to manage it. And teachers can give an emergency pass if needed.

Otherwise, kids are expected to go between classes or during lunch.

Security does go into bathrooms - sometimes.

When I started my period, I had bad cramps and diarrhea. I could not control when I needed to go to the bathroom. I remember one time I couldn't go, and I was taking a math test. I broke out in a cold sweat during the test. Luckily, I was really good at math, so I got an A on that test, but I remember rushing out to use the bathroom at the end of class, and the result was quite.. disturbing.

I just stayed home a day or two with my period as it was so bad. If I had girls I’d let them stay home.

So your solution is for female students just to miss a couple days of school each month rather than address the issue? Families can choose to do so but let’s make sure it’s actually a choice.

What issue? Sure, you may see a kid vaping once in a while but that's hardly anything to get worked up over.

Exactly. Kids smoking in the school bathrooms is hardly some new development. Kids did that in the 90s when I was in HS. And I’m sure they did it well before that too. It’s not great, but people need to get some perspective.

It was not prevalent in good schools. Depends where you attended school.

Yes it was.

Prevalent? Not at all. Didn't say it didn't happen in good schools, but it wasn't common. Our administrators had tough consequences for smoking.

It was very common but kids weren't as obvious about it. Nothing happened when you smoked or even skipped class.

PP here. I've worked in public schools at all levels for a long time. I can promise you that in our district smoking in bathrooms was not common at all. Teachers stand outside the bathrooms at breaks. The smell of smoke would result in an immediate response from one of our administrators, coaches, male custodians (if in the boys' bathroom), or campus polic officer.

Ok, but we are talking about mcps so your comment is not relevant.

Yeah, MCPS ignores smoking/vaping/drug use. The kids know they can smoke/vape/deal pills at school without any consequence. THAT is the difference. No immediate response. There is no enforcement of any rules so the kids do what they want.

Montgomery county police are knowingly turning a blind eye to drug dealing?

MCPD is no longer in the HS. Elrich, Jawando, and the rest of the progressive liberals made sure of that.

That is completely wrong. MCPD is still responsible for enforcing laws in this county. Schools are not lawless zones perhaps because they've abdicated their responsibility.

It sounds like MCPD is upset that they cut the SRO gravy train and are shaking down schools by adbidcating their duties to protect our children.

Exactly, MCPS is not law enforcement and If our laws are not being enforced then this falls on MCPD.

If MCPS is not referring cases where students are using substances in school bathrooms to MCPD, what do you want MCPD to do? Mind read?

Mind reading isn't required since according to the claims here these bathrooms are open air drug markets, so it's common knowledge that the law is being broken.

That's why we need police officers patroling the school hallways. Glad ypu agree!

I think SROs are a waste of money since they've been shown to ineffective, but I will agree if crimes occur at school, then police need access and should be walking a beat.

They are not ineffective and what do you propose? Violence is up since their removal.

The kids at parkland and uvalde would beg to differ.

Uvalde had an onslaught of cops trying to enter that classroom, but some man in a black polo and tan pants (not uniformed) held his arms up blocking the cops. A non-cop (who couldn’t get fired) grabbed his gun from his truck and fought his way into the classroom. It’s documented in the videos. The official ‘investigation’ was a complete failure.

If you care about Parkland, read “Why Meadow Died”.

All thos cops couldn’t get past “some man in tan pants?” Puh-leaze.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Clearly YOU have a political agenda.

Reading this thread, there seems to be plenty of parents posting who do not have a political agenda, but who want their kids to be able to use the restrooms at school during the day.

That is not an unreasonable expectation.

I am happy to support whatever will help improve the situation. Bathrooms have become a ‘safe’ place for kids to use and distribute drugs. All kids of drugs. This needs to be fixed, they can deal/use drugs elsewhere, but get them out of our schools.

Station a teacher outside each bathroom. No more than 2 or 3 students at a time allowed to enter bathroom. No backpacks, jackets, or hoodies. It works.

Security is not teachers' job. Why are we lobbing yet another responsibility onto teachers?

Teachers are hired to teach. Security personnel should be hired to provide school security.

Get the right resources for the right job. Stop expecting teachers to be superheroes. Enough.

Teacher here. It's what we do in our schools, plus a resource officer. Our schools aren't overrun with drugs. It works! It's called a work day.

What resource officer? MCPS schools don't have them anymore. They have CEOs who are outside of the schools.

And I have no idea how this is sustainable since teachers have to:

1) Do planning during their lunch and free periods
2) Help kids with questions before, after school and during lunch
3) There's about 5 minutes of transition time
4) There are so many students and so many bathrooms. My DC's high school has about 1700 students and I think the building has somewhere between 12-14 bathrooms throughout the building. That's a lot of logistics to manage on an ad-hoc, volunteer basis from the pool of teachers willing and able to do that and then scurry back to their classrooms in time to teach.

Yeah, I don’t believe for a single moment that poster is a teacher, especially with the pithy, chirpy “it’s called a work day.” Anonymous message boards are sooooo convenient.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have been both a special education teacher and administrator. Now work part-time. I've worked in several large school systems and have been fortunate in that they were all well run, although one was in an urban area with very limited resources. Student behavior was nothing like what's been described here because we had outstanding leaders-- mostly former college athletes whom the students respected. The kids knew not to push their luck.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Clearly YOU have a political agenda.

Reading this thread, there seems to be plenty of parents posting who do not have a political agenda, but who want their kids to be able to use the restrooms at school during the day.

That is not an unreasonable expectation.

I am happy to support whatever will help improve the situation. Bathrooms have become a ‘safe’ place for kids to use and distribute drugs. All kids of drugs. This needs to be fixed, they can deal/use drugs elsewhere, but get them out of our schools.

Station a teacher outside each bathroom. No more than 2 or 3 students at a time allowed to enter bathroom. No backpacks, jackets, or hoodies. It works.

Literally what was done at my HS in the 90s. Just do it already!

+1 It works. Letting kids run amuck, break rules with no consequences, use drugs, and assault others is abdicating responsibility and preventing kids from learning. It's denying thse kids an education and fair chance to succeed in life. Weak administrators.

It’s amok.

Can be either.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Clearly YOU have a political agenda.

Reading this thread, there seems to be plenty of parents posting who do not have a political agenda, but who want their kids to be able to use the restrooms at school during the day.

That is not an unreasonable expectation.

I am happy to support whatever will help improve the situation. Bathrooms have become a ‘safe’ place for kids to use and distribute drugs. All kids of drugs. This needs to be fixed, they can deal/use drugs elsewhere, but get them out of our schools.

Station a teacher outside each bathroom. No more than 2 or 3 students at a time allowed to enter bathroom. No backpacks, jackets, or hoodies. It works.

Security is not teachers' job. Why are we lobbing yet another responsibility onto teachers?

Teachers are hired to teach. Security personnel should be hired to provide school security.

Get the right resources for the right job. Stop expecting teachers to be superheroes. Enough.

Teacher here. It's what we do in our schools, plus a resource officer. Our schools aren't overrun with drugs. It works! It's called a work day.

What resource officer? MCPS schools don't have them anymore. They have CEOs who are outside of the schools.

And I have no idea how this is sustainable since teachers have to:

1) Do planning during their lunch and free periods
2) Help kids with questions before, after school and during lunch
3) There's about 5 minutes of transition time
4) There are so many students and so many bathrooms. My DC's high school has about 1700 students and I think the building has somewhere between 12-14 bathrooms throughout the building. That's a lot of logistics to manage on an ad-hoc, volunteer basis from the pool of teachers willing and able to do that and then scurry back to their classrooms in time to teach.

Yeah, I don’t believe for a single moment that poster is a teacher, especially with the pithy, chirpy “it’s called a work day.” Anonymous message boards are sooooo convenient.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have been both a special education teacher and administrator. Now work part-time. I've worked in several large school systems and have been fortunate in that they were all well run, although one was in an urban area with very limited resources. Student behavior was nothing like what's been described here because we had outstanding leaders-- mostly former college athletes whom the students respected. The kids knew not to push their luck.

Ok? And, how is this helpful to mcps?

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Anonymous wrote:These schools need to expel kids who break the rules. Plain and simple, if you're caught vaping at school or doing drugs then you should be expelled. Put this issue back on the parents.

That is no an option because it is not Equitable.

Both are against the law. I don't understand why the police aren't doing their jobs.

because Elrich and his progressive crew don't want certain groups to be disproportionately impacted.

Some progressive liberal stated that in order to be equitable, you have to apply rules inequitably.

So, here we are.

So you believe the police aren't doing their job because of some far-left conspiracy group? These are laws that are on the books. Enforcing them isn't controversial. I think the theory the police are intentionally turning a blind eye to shake the county down for the SRO funds holds more merit.

the police cannot do their jobs in the HS because Elrich and his progressive crew basically defunded the police in the schools. Cops cannot go into the HS at will and arrest people. They have to be called in by admin. So, it's really the admins in the school who are turning a blind eye due to #equity. It's not the cops not wanting to do their jobs.

I think you are dumb to think cops don't want to arrest law breakers. Elrich and the progressives voted to defund the police and get cops out of school. The police actually were willing to make changes to keep SROs in schools, and MCPS was going to do a study to look at the impact of SROs in MCPS but Elrich and Jawando defunded the police before any study could be completed.

So again, now here we are..

The other option is for MCPS to just hire more security guards and hall monitors. Problem solved to get around those against it. We need more security than just SRO's at this point and need a mix of solutions.

Nobody wants to work in public schools as it is. Where are you getting all these people again, how much are you paying them and are you going to pay the tax increase?

Mcps can cut our all the wasteful spending and have plenty for this.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

MCPS doesn't control federal or state gun control laws, so it's a moot point since we're talking about the steps MCPS can and should take from a security and safety perspective to ensure its buildings are safe and where guns and drugs don't get in.

Stop deflecting and answer the question you were asked. Direct gun control law questions to federal and state legislators.

1. Advocate for common sense gun legislation at the federal and state level.
2. Advocate for harm-mitigation programs and funding at the federal and state level.

Neither of those are immediate steps or actions that will improve the safety and security of the learning environment in the next 30 or 60 days for students. So you want to keep the status quo in place while we wait for the long, indefinite march of advocacy to improve the situation?

That's your solution? You're not serious.

Bringing back SROs THAT WEREN’T WORKING when they were there pre-COVID aren’t “immediate steps or actions that will improve the safety and security of the learning environment in the next 30 or 60 days for students” either, yet the hysterical mom squad is here, as always, clamoring for their return. Try again.

It was clearly better than what we have now. What is your solution?

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Clearly YOU have a political agenda.

Reading this thread, there seems to be plenty of parents posting who do not have a political agenda, but who want their kids to be able to use the restrooms at school during the day.

That is not an unreasonable expectation.

I am happy to support whatever will help improve the situation. Bathrooms have become a ‘safe’ place for kids to use and distribute drugs. All kids of drugs. This needs to be fixed, they can deal/use drugs elsewhere, but get them out of our schools.

Station a teacher outside each bathroom. No more than 2 or 3 students at a time allowed to enter bathroom. No backpacks, jackets, or hoodies. It works.

Security is not teachers' job. Why are we lobbing yet another responsibility onto teachers?

Teachers are hired to teach. Security personnel should be hired to provide school security.

Get the right resources for the right job. Stop expecting teachers to be superheroes. Enough.

Teacher here. It's what we do in our schools, plus a resource officer. Our schools aren't overrun with drugs. It works! It's called a work day.

What resource officer? MCPS schools don't have them anymore. They have CEOs who are outside of the schools.

And I have no idea how this is sustainable since teachers have to:

1) Do planning during their lunch and free periods
2) Help kids with questions before, after school and during lunch
3) There's about 5 minutes of transition time
4) There are so many students and so many bathrooms. My DC's high school has about 1700 students and I think the building has somewhere between 12-14 bathrooms throughout the building. That's a lot of logistics to manage on an ad-hoc, volunteer basis from the pool of teachers willing and able to do that and then scurry back to their classrooms in time to teach.

Yeah, I don’t believe for a single moment that poster is a teacher, especially with the pithy, chirpy “it’s called a work day.” Anonymous message boards are sooooo convenient.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have been both a special education teacher and administrator. Now work part-time. I've worked in several large school systems and have been fortunate in that they were all well run, although one was in an urban area with very limited resources. Student behavior was nothing like what's been described here because we had outstanding leaders-- mostly former college athletes whom the students respected. The kids knew not to push their luck.

Ok? And, how is this helpful to mcps?

Get new leadership. Get administrators who truly want to see kids succeed and aren't afraid to make and enforce rules. Have consequences that aren't hand slaps. Make schools safe places to work and learn so all kids can benefit.

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This has been an issue for years: groups of kids hudding together to do math in the bathrooms. It's not safe for the mathheada or passersby.

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Anonymous wrote:These schools need to expel kids who break the rules. Plain and simple, if you're caught vaping at school or doing drugs then you should be expelled. Put this issue back on the parents.

That is no an option because it is not Equitable.

Both are against the law. I don't understand why the police aren't doing their jobs.

because Elrich and his progressive crew don't want certain groups to be disproportionately impacted.

Some progressive liberal stated that in order to be equitable, you have to apply rules inequitably.

So, here we are.

So you believe the police aren't doing their job because of some far-left conspiracy group? These are laws that are on the books. Enforcing them isn't controversial. I think the theory the police are intentionally turning a blind eye to shake the county down for the SRO funds holds more merit.

the police cannot do their jobs in the HS because Elrich and his progressive crew basically defunded the police in the schools. Cops cannot go into the HS at will and arrest people. They have to be called in by admin. So, it's really the admins in the school who are turning a blind eye due to #equity. It's not the cops not wanting to do their jobs.

I think you are dumb to think cops don't want to arrest law breakers. Elrich and the progressives voted to defund the police and get cops out of school. The police actually were willing to make changes to keep SROs in schools, and MCPS was going to do a study to look at the impact of SROs in MCPS but Elrich and Jawando defunded the police before any study could be completed.

So again, now here we are..

The other option is for MCPS to just hire more security guards and hall monitors. Problem solved to get around those against it. We need more security than just SRO's at this point and need a mix of solutions.

Nobody wants to work in public schools as it is. Where are you getting all these people again, how much are you paying them and are you going to pay the tax increase?

Mcps can cut our all the wasteful spending and have plenty for this.

Like teacher salaries?

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Anonymous wrote:This has been an issue for years: groups of kids hudding together to do math in the bathrooms. It's not safe for the mathheada or passersby.

A gang of nerds made my child solve a binomial before they could even use the toilet! It's so crazy!

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Anonymous wrote:At our MS, kids get 3 bathroom passes per class period each quarter. It's up to the student to manage it. And teachers can give an emergency pass if needed.

Otherwise, kids are expected to go between classes or during lunch.

Security does go into bathrooms - sometimes.

When I started my period, I had bad cramps and diarrhea. I could not control when I needed to go to the bathroom. I remember one time I couldn't go, and I was taking a math test. I broke out in a cold sweat during the test. Luckily, I was really good at math, so I got an A on that test, but I remember rushing out to use the bathroom at the end of class, and the result was quite.. disturbing.

I just stayed home a day or two with my period as it was so bad. If I had girls I’d let them stay home.

So your solution is for female students just to miss a couple days of school each month rather than address the issue? Families can choose to do so but let’s make sure it’s actually a choice.

What issue? Sure, you may see a kid vaping once in a while but that's hardly anything to get worked up over.

Exactly. Kids smoking in the school bathrooms is hardly some new development. Kids did that in the 90s when I was in HS. And I’m sure they did it well before that too. It’s not great, but people need to get some perspective.

It was not prevalent in good schools. Depends where you attended school.

Yes it was.

Prevalent? Not at all. Didn't say it didn't happen in good schools, but it wasn't common. Our administrators had tough consequences for smoking.

It was very common but kids weren't as obvious about it. Nothing happened when you smoked or even skipped class.

PP here. I've worked in public schools at all levels for a long time. I can promise you that in our district smoking in bathrooms was not common at all. Teachers stand outside the bathrooms at breaks. The smell of smoke would result in an immediate response from one of our administrators, coaches, male custodians (if in the boys' bathroom), or campus polic officer.

Ok, but we are talking about mcps so your comment is not relevant.

Yeah, MCPS ignores smoking/vaping/drug use. The kids know they can smoke/vape/deal pills at school without any consequence. THAT is the difference. No immediate response. There is no enforcement of any rules so the kids do what they want.

Montgomery county police are knowingly turning a blind eye to drug dealing?

MCPD is no longer in the HS. Elrich, Jawando, and the rest of the progressive liberals made sure of that.

No one cares, Trumper.

Parents who love their kids care.

But, I guess Progressive liberals don't care that kids are doing drugs in school bathrooms causing the schools to shut down the bathrooms, which hurts the innocent kids. Got it.