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Anonymous wrote:My boss is one of these people still hung up on covid. He's very educated, very intelligent and accomplished. But he spends too much time on Twitter, and the echo chamber of covid nonsense in his ultraliberal feed has done him in. I met with him today, and I was struggling not to laugh during our meeting because he looks like a duck when he's talking with his N95 on. I had to look down for much of the meeting so I'd stop picturing a duck.

Those duck masks are hilarious. I can't take anyone seriously who is wearing one of those. Not that I really take anyone seriously who is still wearing a mask, but at this point, it's a great way to let me know who to avoid!

Cool for you. I like my brain more.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1602620024807723010.html

Which study in the linked thread are you referring to? The first one is probably the most relevant (Severe COVID-19 is associated with molecular signatures of aging in the human brain https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-022-00321-w), but it studied autopsied brains from hospitalized people who died of covid from Sept 2020 to Dec 2021 and matched them with brain tissue in deep freeze from before 2019. I'm not sure how relevant the findings are to vaccinated people getting covid now. Also, it doesn't tell us anything about brain function because, well, all the subjects were already dead.

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They never have a response when you point out that, yes, if you were sick enough to be hospitalized with Covid, or any virus for that matter, that you’ll unfortunately probably have some lasting damage. Hell there was a public FB post that made the rounds a few years back about a woman who was hospitalized with a severe case of influenza and suffered lasting heart and lung damage that would likely shorten her lifespan (she was about mid-late 40s at the time). But most people, the vast majority of people, aren’t sick enough to be hospitalized. So why would those findings apply to the majority of people who clear Covid from their body just fine?

I'm in Europe, so didn't respond because I went to bed. Power went out, so now I'm up. Le sigh

That thread was posted by a Pulitzer prize winning science writer.

The thing is, we don't know that people are actually clearing Covid. Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.

Ok, that’s nice. Could you please reply to the substance of the study? It is, in fact, a study of molecular changes that compared brains of dead Covid victims to other people who were in the icu, correct? The authors of the study itself made no inferences about its application to the general population. Also, could you please post support for “ Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.” because I haven’t seen that study yet.

Do people not understand that those who die of covid are fundamentally different from those who don't? If the immune system doesnt fight off the disease effectively, and you die from it, it makes sense that you will have unmitigated proliferation of virus throughout the body, including in the brain. The people were also old.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people are vultures who have made watching and waiting for people to get CoVID and suffer and hopefully develop long CoVID their entire personality. If we won’t all stay in our houses forever like they want us to then they’re going to wish CoVID on us in the form of “warning” us about it so they can say they told you so when someone gets sick. It’s pathological at this point. That virus has been here for 3 years. Learn to cope.

This so describes the one person I know in real life who remains shuttered in her house and has been homeschooling her kids and keeping them almost completely isolated since 2020. She is on Twitter wondering when everyone is going to realize that she’s right and they’re wrong, and it often sounds like she’s wishing mass suffering upon everyone else just to come out a winner. She’s lost all of her friends in real life, many of her family members won’t talk to her anymore, but she’s found this community on Twitter—many of whom might not even be real people—stoking her anxiety and paranoia. So sad for her kids.

That's an extreme case if true. In reality, most of us masking are not shuttered in our houses, and while we do fear real damage is being done by the disease, we aren't wishing for mass suffering (and I doubt she is either). Quite the opposite, as I hope we continue to explore new ways to protect the population instead of just pretending like it doesn't matter anymore. I want CO2 monitors like Belgium, Hepa filters in schools, a mass campaign for clean air indoors and next gen vaccines. I don't feel it's my job to warn anyone.

Then that comment isn’t talk about you! There’s clearly a wide spectrum of how people treat Covid. The person in that comment is at the extreme end of remaining overly cautious and building their life around “taking CoVID seriously.” If you simply still mask, you are not in that group. But those people ARE out there- mainly on Twitter. They’re the ones saying things like “people are really hosting cookie exchanges? In a panini? I wouldn’t risk long CoVID for cookies but have fun.” Those kinds of people.

Well gee, it sure would make a lot more sense to ask on Twitter then wouldn’t it? OP said she wanted to be anonymous though, and none of those Twitter posters have responded after 20 pages, so I don’t see the point. Maybe make an anonymous Twitter account OP?

For someone so traumatized by toddler masking, maybe a better use of your time is to stop dwelling on random people that you are afraid to confront and focus on joyful time with your kid? This topic isn’t healthy for you. I truly hope you aren’t the POS poster. If so, you honestly need anger management help.

DP the sad thing is my toddler was actually harmed by masking, but of course to you all anything having to do with mental health is a hilarious joke, and yes that makes you a POS.

No one thinks it’s a hilarious joke lady, but dwelling on random posters in social media is not the solution. It’s completely unproductive. Name-calling doesn’t help anyone come to your side.

I have no illusions that someone who makes light of the harms of masking on toddlers is going to come to my side. I don't talk like that about long COVID. I know some people do, they are P O Ss as well. It is just as bad to dismiss out of hand any harms from COVID restrictions/rules on children. As another poster mentioned, they have their whole lives ahead of them.

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Anonymous wrote:My boss is one of these people still hung up on covid. He's very educated, very intelligent and accomplished. But he spends too much time on Twitter, and the echo chamber of covid nonsense in his ultraliberal feed has done him in. I met with him today, and I was struggling not to laugh during our meeting because he looks like a duck when he's talking with his N95 on. I had to look down for much of the meeting so I'd stop picturing a duck.

Those duck masks are hilarious. I can't take anyone seriously who is wearing one of those. Not that I really take anyone seriously who is still wearing a mask, but at this point, it's a great way to let me know who to avoid!

Cool for you. I like my brain more.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1602620024807723010.html

Which study in the linked thread are you referring to? The first one is probably the most relevant (Severe COVID-19 is associated with molecular signatures of aging in the human brain https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-022-00321-w), but it studied autopsied brains from hospitalized people who died of covid from Sept 2020 to Dec 2021 and matched them with brain tissue in deep freeze from before 2019. I'm not sure how relevant the findings are to vaccinated people getting covid now. Also, it doesn't tell us anything about brain function because, well, all the subjects were already dead.

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They never have a response when you point out that, yes, if you were sick enough to be hospitalized with Covid, or any virus for that matter, that you’ll unfortunately probably have some lasting damage. Hell there was a public FB post that made the rounds a few years back about a woman who was hospitalized with a severe case of influenza and suffered lasting heart and lung damage that would likely shorten her lifespan (she was about mid-late 40s at the time). But most people, the vast majority of people, aren’t sick enough to be hospitalized. So why would those findings apply to the majority of people who clear Covid from their body just fine?

I'm in Europe, so didn't respond because I went to bed. Power went out, so now I'm up. Le sigh

That thread was posted by a Pulitzer prize winning science writer.

The thing is, we don't know that people are actually clearing Covid. Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.

I note you dont have a reference for that. How exactly are we detecting covid in the organs of living people?

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Anonymous wrote:My boss is one of these people still hung up on covid. He's very educated, very intelligent and accomplished. But he spends too much time on Twitter, and the echo chamber of covid nonsense in his ultraliberal feed has done him in. I met with him today, and I was struggling not to laugh during our meeting because he looks like a duck when he's talking with his N95 on. I had to look down for much of the meeting so I'd stop picturing a duck.

Those duck masks are hilarious. I can't take anyone seriously who is wearing one of those. Not that I really take anyone seriously who is still wearing a mask, but at this point, it's a great way to let me know who to avoid!

Cool for you. I like my brain more.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1602620024807723010.html

Which study in the linked thread are you referring to? The first one is probably the most relevant (Severe COVID-19 is associated with molecular signatures of aging in the human brain https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-022-00321-w), but it studied autopsied brains from hospitalized people who died of covid from Sept 2020 to Dec 2021 and matched them with brain tissue in deep freeze from before 2019. I'm not sure how relevant the findings are to vaccinated people getting covid now. Also, it doesn't tell us anything about brain function because, well, all the subjects were already dead.

+1

They never have a response when you point out that, yes, if you were sick enough to be hospitalized with Covid, or any virus for that matter, that you’ll unfortunately probably have some lasting damage. Hell there was a public FB post that made the rounds a few years back about a woman who was hospitalized with a severe case of influenza and suffered lasting heart and lung damage that would likely shorten her lifespan (she was about mid-late 40s at the time). But most people, the vast majority of people, aren’t sick enough to be hospitalized. So why would those findings apply to the majority of people who clear Covid from their body just fine?

I'm in Europe, so didn't respond because I went to bed. Power went out, so now I'm up. Le sigh

That thread was posted by a Pulitzer prize winning science writer.

The thing is, we don't know that people are actually clearing Covid. Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.

Ok, that’s nice. Could you please reply to the substance of the study? It is, in fact, a study of molecular changes that compared brains of dead Covid victims to other people who were in the icu, correct? The authors of the study itself made no inferences about its application to the general population. Also, could you please post support for “ Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.” because I haven’t seen that study yet.

Do people not understand that those who die of covid are fundamentally different from those who don't? If the immune system doesnt fight off the disease effectively, and you die from it, it makes sense that you will have unmitigated proliferation of virus throughout the body, including in the brain. The people were also old.

No, they don't, they so desperately want to justify their judgment of people who :gasp: interact with other people in indoor settings without masks. When you want people around you to be disabled that badly, you lose all sense of logic

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Anonymous wrote:Some people are vultures who have made watching and waiting for people to get CoVID and suffer and hopefully develop long CoVID their entire personality. If we won’t all stay in our houses forever like they want us to then they’re going to wish CoVID on us in the form of “warning” us about it so they can say they told you so when someone gets sick. It’s pathological at this point. That virus has been here for 3 years. Learn to cope.

This so describes the one person I know in real life who remains shuttered in her house and has been homeschooling her kids and keeping them almost completely isolated since 2020. She is on Twitter wondering when everyone is going to realize that she’s right and they’re wrong, and it often sounds like she’s wishing mass suffering upon everyone else just to come out a winner. She’s lost all of her friends in real life, many of her family members won’t talk to her anymore, but she’s found this community on Twitter—many of whom might not even be real people—stoking her anxiety and paranoia. So sad for her kids.

That's an extreme case if true. In reality, most of us masking are not shuttered in our houses, and while we do fear real damage is being done by the disease, we aren't wishing for mass suffering (and I doubt she is either). Quite the opposite, as I hope we continue to explore new ways to protect the population instead of just pretending like it doesn't matter anymore. I want CO2 monitors like Belgium, Hepa filters in schools, a mass campaign for clean air indoors and next gen vaccines. I don't feel it's my job to warn anyone.

Then that comment isn’t talk about you! There’s clearly a wide spectrum of how people treat Covid. The person in that comment is at the extreme end of remaining overly cautious and building their life around “taking CoVID seriously.” If you simply still mask, you are not in that group. But those people ARE out there- mainly on Twitter. They’re the ones saying things like “people are really hosting cookie exchanges? In a panini? I wouldn’t risk long CoVID for cookies but have fun.” Those kinds of people.

But if you are "simply masking," that means you aren't entering space with shared human breath unmasked. It means you wont eat the cookies at the cookie party, go to the work party, go to the wedding, eat at the celebratory dinner, share Thanksgiving with your family. Socializing normally means taking off your mask.

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Anonymous wrote:My boss is one of these people still hung up on covid. He's very educated, very intelligent and accomplished. But he spends too much time on Twitter, and the echo chamber of covid nonsense in his ultraliberal feed has done him in. I met with him today, and I was struggling not to laugh during our meeting because he looks like a duck when he's talking with his N95 on. I had to look down for much of the meeting so I'd stop picturing a duck.

Those duck masks are hilarious. I can't take anyone seriously who is wearing one of those. Not that I really take anyone seriously who is still wearing a mask, but at this point, it's a great way to let me know who to avoid!

Cool for you. I like my brain more.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1602620024807723010.html

Which study in the linked thread are you referring to? The first one is probably the most relevant (Severe COVID-19 is associated with molecular signatures of aging in the human brain https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-022-00321-w), but it studied autopsied brains from hospitalized people who died of covid from Sept 2020 to Dec 2021 and matched them with brain tissue in deep freeze from before 2019. I'm not sure how relevant the findings are to vaccinated people getting covid now. Also, it doesn't tell us anything about brain function because, well, all the subjects were already dead.

+1

They never have a response when you point out that, yes, if you were sick enough to be hospitalized with Covid, or any virus for that matter, that you’ll unfortunately probably have some lasting damage. Hell there was a public FB post that made the rounds a few years back about a woman who was hospitalized with a severe case of influenza and suffered lasting heart and lung damage that would likely shorten her lifespan (she was about mid-late 40s at the time). But most people, the vast majority of people, aren’t sick enough to be hospitalized. So why would those findings apply to the majority of people who clear Covid from their body just fine?

I'm in Europe, so didn't respond because I went to bed. Power went out, so now I'm up. Le sigh

That thread was posted by a Pulitzer prize winning science writer.

The thing is, we don't know that people are actually clearing Covid. Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.

Ok, that’s nice. Could you please reply to the substance of the study? It is, in fact, a study of molecular changes that compared brains of dead Covid victims to other people who were in the icu, correct? The authors of the study itself made no inferences about its application to the general population. Also, could you please post support for “ Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.” because I haven’t seen that study yet.

Do people not understand that those who die of covid are fundamentally different from those who don't? If the immune system doesnt fight off the disease effectively, and you die from it, it makes sense that you will have unmitigated proliferation of virus throughout the body, including in the brain. The people were also old.

Maybe take up your thoughts with Harvard because they are the ones who released their study and offered guidance about follow up. The controls in that study had other serious illnesses including being on ventilators, but they did not have aging of the brain like the confirmed Covid cases. This isn’t the first study on the brain, there was a gray matter study that showed a reduction even in people who had mild or asymptomatic cases. The idea that these people are fundamentally different are not the conclusions of the authors.

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Anonymous wrote:My boss is one of these people still hung up on covid. He's very educated, very intelligent and accomplished. But he spends too much time on Twitter, and the echo chamber of covid nonsense in his ultraliberal feed has done him in. I met with him today, and I was struggling not to laugh during our meeting because he looks like a duck when he's talking with his N95 on. I had to look down for much of the meeting so I'd stop picturing a duck.

Those duck masks are hilarious. I can't take anyone seriously who is wearing one of those. Not that I really take anyone seriously who is still wearing a mask, but at this point, it's a great way to let me know who to avoid!

Cool for you. I like my brain more.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1602620024807723010.html

Which study in the linked thread are you referring to? The first one is probably the most relevant (Severe COVID-19 is associated with molecular signatures of aging in the human brain https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-022-00321-w), but it studied autopsied brains from hospitalized people who died of covid from Sept 2020 to Dec 2021 and matched them with brain tissue in deep freeze from before 2019. I'm not sure how relevant the findings are to vaccinated people getting covid now. Also, it doesn't tell us anything about brain function because, well, all the subjects were already dead.

+1

They never have a response when you point out that, yes, if you were sick enough to be hospitalized with Covid, or any virus for that matter, that you’ll unfortunately probably have some lasting damage. Hell there was a public FB post that made the rounds a few years back about a woman who was hospitalized with a severe case of influenza and suffered lasting heart and lung damage that would likely shorten her lifespan (she was about mid-late 40s at the time). But most people, the vast majority of people, aren’t sick enough to be hospitalized. So why would those findings apply to the majority of people who clear Covid from their body just fine?

I'm in Europe, so didn't respond because I went to bed. Power went out, so now I'm up. Le sigh

That thread was posted by a Pulitzer prize winning science writer.

The thing is, we don't know that people are actually clearing Covid. Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.

Ok, that’s nice. Could you please reply to the substance of the study? It is, in fact, a study of molecular changes that compared brains of dead Covid victims to other people who were in the icu, correct? The authors of the study itself made no inferences about its application to the general population. Also, could you please post support for “ Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.” because I haven’t seen that study yet.

Do people not understand that those who die of covid are fundamentally different from those who don't? If the immune system doesnt fight off the disease effectively, and you die from it, it makes sense that you will have unmitigated proliferation of virus throughout the body, including in the brain. The people were also old.

Maybe take up your thoughts with Harvard because they are the ones who released their study and offered guidance about follow up. The controls in that study had other serious illnesses including being on ventilators, but they did not have aging of the brain like the confirmed Covid cases. This isn’t the first study on the brain, there was a gray matter study that showed a reduction even in people who had mild or asymptomatic cases. The idea that these people are fundamentally different are not the conclusions of the authors.

Their conclusions do not say that everyone with COVID will experience the same.changes. They cannot conclude that from this study.

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Anonymous wrote:They are riding high on the moral ground that COVID gives them to look down on anyone who doesn't agree with them. "I'm such a good person! I wear my mask! I do whatever the cdc tells me to do. If Fauci says boost, I say shoot me up!"

Thankfully this forum isn't real life. No one cares irl.

It differs from place to place. My in laws live in a community full of Trumpsters and nearly everyone is unmasked and few are fully vaccinated let alone boosted. Although many of their neighbors and coworkers have had Covid more than once or are struggling with long Covid, they can’t deviate from what the people around them do. Yet they are shocked when Grandma dies or Junior is hospitalized.

Both are wrong. COVID purity moralizing is extremely off putting. Nobody who doesn't already agree with you is going to be convinced to change their behavior. If you are just literally posting about rising case rates or your personal experience with long COVID, I do think that can be valuable. But if you are just shouting into the abyss about people not taking COVID seriously enough, you're not achieving anything.

Please take your admonishment that "Nobody who doesn't already agree with you is going to be convinced to change their behavior" to heart. People have picked their sides at this point. Thinking of people on the other side of the line from you as psychopaths and P.O.S. isn't helping sway them to your side, and I don't think it's healthy mentally for the person who's doing it, either.

I don't think of "people on the other side of the line" are psychopaths and P O Ss. I think there are some pro mask/lockdown posters who behave horribly/dishonestly on these boards who are P O Ss and psychopaths. These are people who post falsehoods repeatedly and ignore when someone posts proof that they are wrong. People who say any child's mental illness was caused by their parents. I've seen that gem a lot. People who insist than anyone who isn't masking right now didn't make any sacrifices in 2020-21 - also a common talking point. Those posters are psychopaths.

Everyone on the pro-masking side will eventually give up masks. In other words, the people in favor of normalcy will "win." It's truly crazy that people are planning on giving up normal socialization for themselves and their children indefinitely. Lack of normal socializing will also cause changes to the brain and remodeling of circuitry...

Nice theory, but these things don’t happen in a vacuum. If Covid continues to diminish peoples’ quality of life, you may very well see the opposite happen.

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Anonymous wrote:They are riding high on the moral ground that COVID gives them to look down on anyone who doesn't agree with them. "I'm such a good person! I wear my mask! I do whatever the cdc tells me to do. If Fauci says boost, I say shoot me up!"

Thankfully this forum isn't real life. No one cares irl.

It differs from place to place. My in laws live in a community full of Trumpsters and nearly everyone is unmasked and few are fully vaccinated let alone boosted. Although many of their neighbors and coworkers have had Covid more than once or are struggling with long Covid, they can’t deviate from what the people around them do. Yet they are shocked when Grandma dies or Junior is hospitalized.

Both are wrong. COVID purity moralizing is extremely off putting. Nobody who doesn't already agree with you is going to be convinced to change their behavior. If you are just literally posting about rising case rates or your personal experience with long COVID, I do think that can be valuable. But if you are just shouting into the abyss about people not taking COVID seriously enough, you're not achieving anything.

Please take your admonishment that "Nobody who doesn't already agree with you is going to be convinced to change their behavior" to heart. People have picked their sides at this point. Thinking of people on the other side of the line from you as psychopaths and P.O.S. isn't helping sway them to your side, and I don't think it's healthy mentally for the person who's doing it, either.

I don't think of "people on the other side of the line" are psychopaths and P O Ss. I think there are some pro mask/lockdown posters who behave horribly/dishonestly on these boards who are P O Ss and psychopaths. These are people who post falsehoods repeatedly and ignore when someone posts proof that they are wrong. People who say any child's mental illness was caused by their parents. I've seen that gem a lot. People who insist than anyone who isn't masking right now didn't make any sacrifices in 2020-21 - also a common talking point. Those posters are psychopaths.

Everyone on the pro-masking side will eventually give up masks. In other words, the people in favor of normalcy will "win." It's truly crazy that people are planning on giving up normal socialization for themselves and their children indefinitely. Lack of normal socializing will also cause changes to the brain and remodeling of circuitry...

Nice theory, but these things don’t happen in a vacuum. If Covid continues to diminish peoples’ quality of life, you may very well see the opposite happen.

And that is what you desperately want to happen which is why you read into studies things that are not there. Meanwhile, the rest of us realize that keeping our kids isolated at home definitely does harm them, and we choose to prioritize preventing the harm we know will happen, vs the theoretical harm that some random people insist will happen to everyone who gets COVID. Especially since so many of us have had COVID, and not only are we fine but our bodies subsequently fought off other infections as well just like they did pre COVID. Long COVID is of course a risk, unfortunately life is full of risks.

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Anonymous wrote:My boss is one of these people still hung up on covid. He's very educated, very intelligent and accomplished. But he spends too much time on Twitter, and the echo chamber of covid nonsense in his ultraliberal feed has done him in. I met with him today, and I was struggling not to laugh during our meeting because he looks like a duck when he's talking with his N95 on. I had to look down for much of the meeting so I'd stop picturing a duck.

Those duck masks are hilarious. I can't take anyone seriously who is wearing one of those. Not that I really take anyone seriously who is still wearing a mask, but at this point, it's a great way to let me know who to avoid!

Cool for you. I like my brain more.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1602620024807723010.html

Which study in the linked thread are you referring to? The first one is probably the most relevant (Severe COVID-19 is associated with molecular signatures of aging in the human brain https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-022-00321-w), but it studied autopsied brains from hospitalized people who died of covid from Sept 2020 to Dec 2021 and matched them with brain tissue in deep freeze from before 2019. I'm not sure how relevant the findings are to vaccinated people getting covid now. Also, it doesn't tell us anything about brain function because, well, all the subjects were already dead.

+1

They never have a response when you point out that, yes, if you were sick enough to be hospitalized with Covid, or any virus for that matter, that you’ll unfortunately probably have some lasting damage. Hell there was a public FB post that made the rounds a few years back about a woman who was hospitalized with a severe case of influenza and suffered lasting heart and lung damage that would likely shorten her lifespan (she was about mid-late 40s at the time). But most people, the vast majority of people, aren’t sick enough to be hospitalized. So why would those findings apply to the majority of people who clear Covid from their body just fine?

I'm in Europe, so didn't respond because I went to bed. Power went out, so now I'm up. Le sigh

That thread was posted by a Pulitzer prize winning science writer.

The thing is, we don't know that people are actually clearing Covid. Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.

Ok, that’s nice. Could you please reply to the substance of the study? It is, in fact, a study of molecular changes that compared brains of dead Covid victims to other people who were in the icu, correct? The authors of the study itself made no inferences about its application to the general population. Also, could you please post support for “ Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.” because I haven’t seen that study yet.

Do people not understand that those who die of covid are fundamentally different from those who don't? If the immune system doesnt fight off the disease effectively, and you die from it, it makes sense that you will have unmitigated proliferation of virus throughout the body, including in the brain. The people were also old.

Maybe take up your thoughts with Harvard because they are the ones who released their study and offered guidance about follow up. The controls in that study had other serious illnesses including being on ventilators, but they did not have aging of the brain like the confirmed Covid cases. This isn’t the first study on the brain, there was a gray matter study that showed a reduction even in people who had mild or asymptomatic cases. The idea that these people are fundamentally different are not the conclusions of the authors.

Their conclusions do not say that everyone with COVID will experience the same.changes. They cannot conclude that from this study.

No study ever says everyone will experience X. They are studying the mechanisms behind Covid in the brain. Autopsies are great at giving us information about disease progression, I don’t think they are so easily discounted because the patients died.

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Anonymous wrote:They are riding high on the moral ground that COVID gives them to look down on anyone who doesn't agree with them. "I'm such a good person! I wear my mask! I do whatever the cdc tells me to do. If Fauci says boost, I say shoot me up!"

Thankfully this forum isn't real life. No one cares irl.

It differs from place to place. My in laws live in a community full of Trumpsters and nearly everyone is unmasked and few are fully vaccinated let alone boosted. Although many of their neighbors and coworkers have had Covid more than once or are struggling with long Covid, they can’t deviate from what the people around them do. Yet they are shocked when Grandma dies or Junior is hospitalized.

Both are wrong. COVID purity moralizing is extremely off putting. Nobody who doesn't already agree with you is going to be convinced to change their behavior. If you are just literally posting about rising case rates or your personal experience with long COVID, I do think that can be valuable. But if you are just shouting into the abyss about people not taking COVID seriously enough, you're not achieving anything.

Please take your admonishment that "Nobody who doesn't already agree with you is going to be convinced to change their behavior" to heart. People have picked their sides at this point. Thinking of people on the other side of the line from you as psychopaths and P.O.S. isn't helping sway them to your side, and I don't think it's healthy mentally for the person who's doing it, either.

I don't think of "people on the other side of the line" are psychopaths and P O Ss. I think there are some pro mask/lockdown posters who behave horribly/dishonestly on these boards who are P O Ss and psychopaths. These are people who post falsehoods repeatedly and ignore when someone posts proof that they are wrong. People who say any child's mental illness was caused by their parents. I've seen that gem a lot. People who insist than anyone who isn't masking right now didn't make any sacrifices in 2020-21 - also a common talking point. Those posters are psychopaths.

Everyone on the pro-masking side will eventually give up masks. In other words, the people in favor of normalcy will "win." It's truly crazy that people are planning on giving up normal socialization for themselves and their children indefinitely. Lack of normal socializing will also cause changes to the brain and remodeling of circuitry...

Nice theory, but these things don’t happen in a vacuum. If Covid continues to diminish peoples’ quality of life, you may very well see the opposite happen.

And that is what you desperately want to happen which is why you read into studies things that are not there. Meanwhile, the rest of us realize that keeping our kids isolated at home definitely does harm them, and we choose to prioritize preventing the harm we know will happen, vs the theoretical harm that some random people insist will happen to everyone who gets COVID. Especially since so many of us have had COVID, and not only are we fine but our bodies subsequently fought off other infections as well just like they did pre COVID. Long COVID is of course a risk, unfortunately life is full of risks.

My kids are at school right now. They have masks on, but they are at school. Last night we went to a Christmas concert full of unmasked people. We are well aware that life has risks. Saying that that’s what I want is your incorrect opinion. Being concerned about a possibility in the future does not mean you want that to happen.

The reality is unless you get a full work up post Covid, you don’t know. It would be impractical for everyone to do so. And that’s fine that people are willing to accept that risk. I’m not sitting here banging the drum saying everybody go back home. All I’m saying is that I think there is quite a bit to these studies on Covid. Saying that doesn’t mean I’m happy about it. I would expect you could understand the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:My boss is one of these people still hung up on covid. He's very educated, very intelligent and accomplished. But he spends too much time on Twitter, and the echo chamber of covid nonsense in his ultraliberal feed has done him in. I met with him today, and I was struggling not to laugh during our meeting because he looks like a duck when he's talking with his N95 on. I had to look down for much of the meeting so I'd stop picturing a duck.

Those duck masks are hilarious. I can't take anyone seriously who is wearing one of those. Not that I really take anyone seriously who is still wearing a mask, but at this point, it's a great way to let me know who to avoid!

Cool for you. I like my brain more.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1602620024807723010.html

Which study in the linked thread are you referring to? The first one is probably the most relevant (Severe COVID-19 is associated with molecular signatures of aging in the human brain https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-022-00321-w), but it studied autopsied brains from hospitalized people who died of covid from Sept 2020 to Dec 2021 and matched them with brain tissue in deep freeze from before 2019. I'm not sure how relevant the findings are to vaccinated people getting covid now. Also, it doesn't tell us anything about brain function because, well, all the subjects were already dead.

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They never have a response when you point out that, yes, if you were sick enough to be hospitalized with Covid, or any virus for that matter, that you’ll unfortunately probably have some lasting damage. Hell there was a public FB post that made the rounds a few years back about a woman who was hospitalized with a severe case of influenza and suffered lasting heart and lung damage that would likely shorten her lifespan (she was about mid-late 40s at the time). But most people, the vast majority of people, aren’t sick enough to be hospitalized. So why would those findings apply to the majority of people who clear Covid from their body just fine?

I'm in Europe, so didn't respond because I went to bed. Power went out, so now I'm up. Le sigh

That thread was posted by a Pulitzer prize winning science writer.

The thing is, we don't know that people are actually clearing Covid. Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.

Ok, that’s nice. Could you please reply to the substance of the study? It is, in fact, a study of molecular changes that compared brains of dead Covid victims to other people who were in the icu, correct? The authors of the study itself made no inferences about its application to the general population. Also, could you please post support for “ Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.” because I haven’t seen that study yet.

Do people not understand that those who die of covid are fundamentally different from those who don't? If the immune system doesnt fight off the disease effectively, and you die from it, it makes sense that you will have unmitigated proliferation of virus throughout the body, including in the brain. The people were also old.

Maybe take up your thoughts with Harvard because they are the ones who released their study and offered guidance about follow up. The controls in that study had other serious illnesses including being on ventilators, but they did not have aging of the brain like the confirmed Covid cases. This isn’t the first study on the brain, there was a gray matter study that showed a reduction even in people who had mild or asymptomatic cases. The idea that these people are fundamentally different are not the conclusions of the authors.

Their conclusions do not say that everyone with COVID will experience the same.changes. They cannot conclude that from this study.

No study ever says everyone will experience X. They are studying the mechanisms behind Covid in the brain. Autopsies are great at giving us information about disease progression, I don’t think they are so easily discounted because the patients died.

Well this is the crux of why most people in the field don't take Leonardi very seriously. You don't make assertions about mild cases from the most severe ones, much less about all cases. You just don't, I'm sorry. It really says something about you that you are willing to contort the science this much.

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Anonymous wrote:They are riding high on the moral ground that COVID gives them to look down on anyone who doesn't agree with them. "I'm such a good person! I wear my mask! I do whatever the cdc tells me to do. If Fauci says boost, I say shoot me up!"

Thankfully this forum isn't real life. No one cares irl.

It differs from place to place. My in laws live in a community full of Trumpsters and nearly everyone is unmasked and few are fully vaccinated let alone boosted. Although many of their neighbors and coworkers have had Covid more than once or are struggling with long Covid, they can’t deviate from what the people around them do. Yet they are shocked when Grandma dies or Junior is hospitalized.

Both are wrong. COVID purity moralizing is extremely off putting. Nobody who doesn't already agree with you is going to be convinced to change their behavior. If you are just literally posting about rising case rates or your personal experience with long COVID, I do think that can be valuable. But if you are just shouting into the abyss about people not taking COVID seriously enough, you're not achieving anything.

Please take your admonishment that "Nobody who doesn't already agree with you is going to be convinced to change their behavior" to heart. People have picked their sides at this point. Thinking of people on the other side of the line from you as psychopaths and P.O.S. isn't helping sway them to your side, and I don't think it's healthy mentally for the person who's doing it, either.

I don't think of "people on the other side of the line" are psychopaths and P O Ss. I think there are some pro mask/lockdown posters who behave horribly/dishonestly on these boards who are P O Ss and psychopaths. These are people who post falsehoods repeatedly and ignore when someone posts proof that they are wrong. People who say any child's mental illness was caused by their parents. I've seen that gem a lot. People who insist than anyone who isn't masking right now didn't make any sacrifices in 2020-21 - also a common talking point. Those posters are psychopaths.

Everyone on the pro-masking side will eventually give up masks. In other words, the people in favor of normalcy will "win." It's truly crazy that people are planning on giving up normal socialization for themselves and their children indefinitely. Lack of normal socializing will also cause changes to the brain and remodeling of circuitry...

Nice theory, but these things don’t happen in a vacuum. If Covid continues to diminish peoples’ quality of life, you may very well see the opposite happen.

And that is what you desperately want to happen which is why you read into studies things that are not there. Meanwhile, the rest of us realize that keeping our kids isolated at home definitely does harm them, and we choose to prioritize preventing the harm we know will happen, vs the theoretical harm that some random people insist will happen to everyone who gets COVID. Especially since so many of us have had COVID, and not only are we fine but our bodies subsequently fought off other infections as well just like they did pre COVID. Long COVID is of course a risk, unfortunately life is full of risks.

My kids are at school right now. They have masks on, but they are at school. Last night we went to a Christmas concert full of unmasked people. We are well aware that life has risks. Saying that that’s what I want is your incorrect opinion. Being concerned about a possibility in the future does not mean you want that to happen.

The reality is unless you get a full work up post Covid, you don’t know. It would be impractical for everyone to do so. And that’s fine that people are willing to accept that risk. I’m not sitting here banging the drum saying everybody go back home. All I’m saying is that I think there is quite a bit to these studies on Covid. Saying that doesn’t mean I’m happy about it. I would expect you could understand the difference.

You are wildly misinterpreting these studies and then spreading misinformation online. That is not cool. You need to recognize there are things you are just not qualified to assert. You should stick to what the authors of the study actually conclude. It might not be as exciting but at least you won't be lying to people.

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Anonymous wrote:My boss is one of these people still hung up on covid. He's very educated, very intelligent and accomplished. But he spends too much time on Twitter, and the echo chamber of covid nonsense in his ultraliberal feed has done him in. I met with him today, and I was struggling not to laugh during our meeting because he looks like a duck when he's talking with his N95 on. I had to look down for much of the meeting so I'd stop picturing a duck.

Those duck masks are hilarious. I can't take anyone seriously who is wearing one of those. Not that I really take anyone seriously who is still wearing a mask, but at this point, it's a great way to let me know who to avoid!

Cool for you. I like my brain more.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1602620024807723010.html

Which study in the linked thread are you referring to? The first one is probably the most relevant (Severe COVID-19 is associated with molecular signatures of aging in the human brain https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-022-00321-w), but it studied autopsied brains from hospitalized people who died of covid from Sept 2020 to Dec 2021 and matched them with brain tissue in deep freeze from before 2019. I'm not sure how relevant the findings are to vaccinated people getting covid now. Also, it doesn't tell us anything about brain function because, well, all the subjects were already dead.

+1

They never have a response when you point out that, yes, if you were sick enough to be hospitalized with Covid, or any virus for that matter, that you’ll unfortunately probably have some lasting damage. Hell there was a public FB post that made the rounds a few years back about a woman who was hospitalized with a severe case of influenza and suffered lasting heart and lung damage that would likely shorten her lifespan (she was about mid-late 40s at the time). But most people, the vast majority of people, aren’t sick enough to be hospitalized. So why would those findings apply to the majority of people who clear Covid from their body just fine?

I'm in Europe, so didn't respond because I went to bed. Power went out, so now I'm up. Le sigh

That thread was posted by a Pulitzer prize winning science writer.

The thing is, we don't know that people are actually clearing Covid. Covid seems to persist in the organs even among those who feel fine.

I note you dont have a reference for that. How exactly are we detecting covid in the organs of living people?

The leading theory of long Covid is that viral persistence or inflammatory persistence caused by SARS-COV-2 is the likely cause. This isn’t a huge secret. The increase in ischemic stroke and myocardial infarction due to blood clotting is also evidence of disease persistence after acute recovery.

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Anonymous wrote:They are riding high on the moral ground that COVID gives them to look down on anyone who doesn't agree with them. "I'm such a good person! I wear my mask! I do whatever the cdc tells me to do. If Fauci says boost, I say shoot me up!"

Thankfully this forum isn't real life. No one cares irl.

It differs from place to place. My in laws live in a community full of Trumpsters and nearly everyone is unmasked and few are fully vaccinated let alone boosted. Although many of their neighbors and coworkers have had Covid more than once or are struggling with long Covid, they can’t deviate from what the people around them do. Yet they are shocked when Grandma dies or Junior is hospitalized.

Both are wrong. COVID purity moralizing is extremely off putting. Nobody who doesn't already agree with you is going to be convinced to change their behavior. If you are just literally posting about rising case rates or your personal experience with long COVID, I do think that can be valuable. But if you are just shouting into the abyss about people not taking COVID seriously enough, you're not achieving anything.

Please take your admonishment that "Nobody who doesn't already agree with you is going to be convinced to change their behavior" to heart. People have picked their sides at this point. Thinking of people on the other side of the line from you as psychopaths and P.O.S. isn't helping sway them to your side, and I don't think it's healthy mentally for the person who's doing it, either.

I don't think of "people on the other side of the line" are psychopaths and P O Ss. I think there are some pro mask/lockdown posters who behave horribly/dishonestly on these boards who are P O Ss and psychopaths. These are people who post falsehoods repeatedly and ignore when someone posts proof that they are wrong. People who say any child's mental illness was caused by their parents. I've seen that gem a lot. People who insist than anyone who isn't masking right now didn't make any sacrifices in 2020-21 - also a common talking point. Those posters are psychopaths.

Everyone on the pro-masking side will eventually give up masks. In other words, the people in favor of normalcy will "win." It's truly crazy that people are planning on giving up normal socialization for themselves and their children indefinitely. Lack of normal socializing will also cause changes to the brain and remodeling of circuitry...

Nice theory, but these things don’t happen in a vacuum. If Covid continues to diminish peoples’ quality of life, you may very well see the opposite happen.

And that is what you desperately want to happen which is why you read into studies things that are not there. Meanwhile, the rest of us realize that keeping our kids isolated at home definitely does harm them, and we choose to prioritize preventing the harm we know will happen, vs the theoretical harm that some random people insist will happen to everyone who gets COVID. Especially since so many of us have had COVID, and not only are we fine but our bodies subsequently fought off other infections as well just like they did pre COVID. Long COVID is of course a risk, unfortunately life is full of risks.

My kids are at school right now. They have masks on, but they are at school. Last night we went to a Christmas concert full of unmasked people. We are well aware that life has risks. Saying that that’s what I want is your incorrect opinion. Being concerned about a possibility in the future does not mean you want that to happen.

The reality is unless you get a full work up post Covid, you don’t know. It would be impractical for everyone to do so. And that’s fine that people are willing to accept that risk. I’m not sitting here banging the drum saying everybody go back home. All I’m saying is that I think there is quite a bit to these studies on Covid. Saying that doesn’t mean I’m happy about it. I would expect you could understand the difference.

You are wildly misinterpreting these studies and then spreading misinformation online. That is not cool. You need to recognize there are things you are just not qualified to assert. You should stick to what the authors of the study actually conclude. It might not be as exciting but at least you won't be lying to people.

I quoted the authors directly about follow up post infection. If you don’t like that some of us think that Covid is harmful, then move along.