If you are someone who "warns" people of the dangers of COVID on social media

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Anonymous wrote:FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?

Is their population not highly vaccinated? Ding is a fear mongerer. If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now.

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.

The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices.

You really are not getting it. We are also going to be living with this. How much of the stuff in your house comes from a China that can't produce those things in an outbreak like this?

Okay. What do you want me to do about it? The Chinese screwed us at the beginning of the pandemic with their lying, and now they're the ones getting screwed. They have their government to blame for the mess they're in.

No. Now we are ALL being screwed. You can point the finger elsewhere as much as you want, but we are going to have impacts from this. We're in it together. That's how pandemics are.

At a certain point very early on it became impossible to contain the virus. Social distancing was a very costly way to reduce death while waiting for the vaccine. We could have reduced death more and possibly variants by getting more vaccines out to other countries. Beyond that there is no endgame. The virus surges and falls in ways that are largely out of our control without extreme, unsustainable measures.

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Anonymous wrote:FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?

Is their population not highly vaccinated? Ding is a fear mongerer. If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now.

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.

The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices.

So they can mandate people dont leave their homes, but they cant mandate a vaccine?

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Anonymous wrote:FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?

Is their population not highly vaccinated? Ding is a fear mongerer. If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now.

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.

The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices.

You really are not getting it. We are also going to be living with this. How much of the stuff in your house comes from a China that can't produce those things in an outbreak like this?

Okay. What do you want me to do about it? The Chinese screwed us at the beginning of the pandemic with their lying, and now they're the ones getting screwed. They have their government to blame for the mess they're in.

No. Now we are ALL being screwed. You can point the finger elsewhere as much as you want, but we are going to have impacts from this. We're in it together. That's how pandemics are.

At a certain point very early on it became impossible to contain the virus. Social distancing was a very costly way to reduce death while waiting for the vaccine. We could have reduced death more and possibly variants by getting more vaccines out to other countries. Beyond that there is no endgame. The virus surges and falls in ways that are largely out of our control without extreme, unsustainable measures.

Not just "waiting for the vaccine." Also trying to make sure our health care systems were not overwhelmed. Despite the vaccine existing--as any person who needs health care in this country right now knows--they are overwhelmed. Health care workers are peaceing out all over the place. The excess deaths are notable, and not just from COVID. This is why mitigation is still important.

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Anonymous wrote:FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?

Is their population not highly vaccinated? Ding is a fear mongerer. If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now.

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.

The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices.

You really are not getting it. We are also going to be living with this. How much of the stuff in your house comes from a China that can't produce those things in an outbreak like this?

Okay. What do you want me to do about it? The Chinese screwed us at the beginning of the pandemic with their lying, and now they're the ones getting screwed. They have their government to blame for the mess they're in.

No. Now we are ALL being screwed. You can point the finger elsewhere as much as you want, but we are going to have impacts from this. We're in it together. That's how pandemics are.

At a certain point very early on it became impossible to contain the virus. Social distancing was a very costly way to reduce death while waiting for the vaccine. We could have reduced death more and possibly variants by getting more vaccines out to other countries. Beyond that there is no endgame. The virus surges and falls in ways that are largely out of our control without extreme, unsustainable measures.

Vaccines are not 100% so you need a combination of distancing, masking, vaccines and people staying home when sick. Denial isn't working.

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I don't care what others do anymore, I'm protecting myself and my family. If people want to deny there is a problem, let them. I won't be socializing with them.

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Anonymous wrote:FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?

Is their population not highly vaccinated? Ding is a fear mongerer. If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now.

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.

The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices.

You really are not getting it. We are also going to be living with this. How much of the stuff in your house comes from a China that can't produce those things in an outbreak like this?

Okay. What do you want me to do about it? The Chinese screwed us at the beginning of the pandemic with their lying, and now they're the ones getting screwed. They have their government to blame for the mess they're in.

No. Now we are ALL being screwed. You can point the finger elsewhere as much as you want, but we are going to have impacts from this. We're in it together. That's how pandemics are.

At a certain point very early on it became impossible to contain the virus. Social distancing was a very costly way to reduce death while waiting for the vaccine. We could have reduced death more and possibly variants by getting more vaccines out to other countries. Beyond that there is no endgame. The virus surges and falls in ways that are largely out of our control without extreme, unsustainable measures.

Vaccines are not 100% so you need a combination of distancing, masking, vaccines and people staying home when sick. Denial isn't working.

Denial? That's the pot calling the kettle black. You're obviously still in denial about the future of Covid. No level of masking or isolation will make Covid "go away." There's no scientific advance on the horizon that will significantly reduce risk below what we can already do through vaccination. When it comes to Covid, this is, roughly speaking, as good as it gets. It doesn't make sense to continue with measures that we wouldn't be willing to put up with forever. For the vast majority of people, that means no masks. And it means staying home for fevers and other *clear* signs of a communicable infection, but carrying on with mild cold symptoms. When you look at China right now, and to a lesser extent the US with RSV last month, you see the problem with the indefinite infection avoidance strategy: you can't avoid it forever. You just delay it. And the longer you delay it, the more people there are that are vulnerable to reinfection with increasing levels of severity.

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Anonymous wrote:FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?

Is their population not highly vaccinated? Ding is a fear mongerer. If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now.

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.

The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices.

You really are not getting it. We are also going to be living with this. How much of the stuff in your house comes from a China that can't produce those things in an outbreak like this?

Okay. What do you want me to do about it? The Chinese screwed us at the beginning of the pandemic with their lying, and now they're the ones getting screwed. They have their government to blame for the mess they're in.

No. Now we are ALL being screwed. You can point the finger elsewhere as much as you want, but we are going to have impacts from this. We're in it together. That's how pandemics are.

At a certain point very early on it became impossible to contain the virus. Social distancing was a very costly way to reduce death while waiting for the vaccine. We could have reduced death more and possibly variants by getting more vaccines out to other countries. Beyond that there is no endgame. The virus surges and falls in ways that are largely out of our control without extreme, unsustainable measures.

Vaccines are not 100% so you need a combination of distancing, masking, vaccines and people staying home when sick. Denial isn't working.

Denial? That's the pot calling the kettle black. You're obviously still in denial about the future of Covid. No level of masking or isolation will make Covid "go away." There's no scientific advance on the horizon that will significantly reduce risk below what we can already do through vaccination. When it comes to Covid, this is, roughly speaking, as good as it gets. It doesn't make sense to continue with measures that we wouldn't be willing to put up with forever. For the vast majority of people, that means no masks. And it means staying home for fevers and other *clear* signs of a communicable infection, but carrying on with mild cold symptoms. When you look at China right now, and to a lesser extent the US with RSV last month, you see the problem with the indefinite infection avoidance strategy: you can't avoid it forever. You just delay it. And the longer you delay it, the more people there are that are vulnerable to reinfection with increasing levels of severity.

We cannot vaccinate our way out if this like we can other things. I’m not in denial but I do actively avoid people like you.

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Anonymous wrote:FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?

Is their population not highly vaccinated? Ding is a fear mongerer. If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now.

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.

The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices.

You really are not getting it. We are also going to be living with this. How much of the stuff in your house comes from a China that can't produce those things in an outbreak like this?

Okay. What do you want me to do about it? The Chinese screwed us at the beginning of the pandemic with their lying, and now they're the ones getting screwed. They have their government to blame for the mess they're in.

No. Now we are ALL being screwed. You can point the finger elsewhere as much as you want, but we are going to have impacts from this. We're in it together. That's how pandemics are.

At a certain point very early on it became impossible to contain the virus. Social distancing was a very costly way to reduce death while waiting for the vaccine. We could have reduced death more and possibly variants by getting more vaccines out to other countries. Beyond that there is no endgame. The virus surges and falls in ways that are largely out of our control without extreme, unsustainable measures.

Vaccines are not 100% so you need a combination of distancing, masking, vaccines and people staying home when sick. Denial isn't working.

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Anonymous wrote:FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?

Is their population not highly vaccinated? Ding is a fear mongerer. If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now.

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.

The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices.

You really are not getting it. We are also going to be living with this. How much of the stuff in your house comes from a China that can't produce those things in an outbreak like this?

Okay. What do you want me to do about it? The Chinese screwed us at the beginning of the pandemic with their lying, and now they're the ones getting screwed. They have their government to blame for the mess they're in.

No. Now we are ALL being screwed. You can point the finger elsewhere as much as you want, but we are going to have impacts from this. We're in it together. That's how pandemics are.

At a certain point very early on it became impossible to contain the virus. Social distancing was a very costly way to reduce death while waiting for the vaccine. We could have reduced death more and possibly variants by getting more vaccines out to other countries. Beyond that there is no endgame. The virus surges and falls in ways that are largely out of our control without extreme, unsustainable measures.

Vaccines are not 100% so you need a combination of distancing, masking, vaccines and people staying home when sick. Denial isn't working.

Denial? That's the pot calling the kettle black. You're obviously still in denial about the future of Covid. No level of masking or isolation will make Covid "go away." There's no scientific advance on the horizon that will significantly reduce risk below what we can already do through vaccination. When it comes to Covid, this is, roughly speaking, as good as it gets. It doesn't make sense to continue with measures that we wouldn't be willing to put up with forever. For the vast majority of people, that means no masks. And it means staying home for fevers and other *clear* signs of a communicable infection, but carrying on with mild cold symptoms. When you look at China right now, and to a lesser extent the US with RSV last month, you see the problem with the indefinite infection avoidance strategy: you can't avoid it forever. You just delay it. And the longer you delay it, the more people there are that are vulnerable to reinfection with increasing levels of severity.

We cannot vaccinate our way out if this like we can other things. I’m not in denial but I do actively avoid people like you.

NP

PP speaks the truth. And as to the bolded, the feeling from rational people is most assuredly quite mutual!

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Anonymous wrote:FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?

Is their population not highly vaccinated? Ding is a fear mongerer. If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now.

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.

The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices.

You really are not getting it. We are also going to be living with this. How much of the stuff in your house comes from a China that can't produce those things in an outbreak like this?

Okay. What do you want me to do about it? The Chinese screwed us at the beginning of the pandemic with their lying, and now they're the ones getting screwed. They have their government to blame for the mess they're in.

No. Now we are ALL being screwed. You can point the finger elsewhere as much as you want, but we are going to have impacts from this. We're in it together. That's how pandemics are.

At a certain point very early on it became impossible to contain the virus. Social distancing was a very costly way to reduce death while waiting for the vaccine. We could have reduced death more and possibly variants by getting more vaccines out to other countries. Beyond that there is no endgame. The virus surges and falls in ways that are largely out of our control without extreme, unsustainable measures.

Vaccines are not 100% so you need a combination of distancing, masking, vaccines and people staying home when sick. Denial isn't working.

You're in denial if you think it is sustainable to have everyone 2 and up to do those things continuously for years. Anyway we are talking about how different countries are "in this together" but there is no stopping COVID or preventing it from getting anywhere, only reducing transmission and that is costly. Maybe not costly to you, but definitely costly.

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Anonymous wrote:FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?

Is their population not highly vaccinated? Ding is a fear mongerer. If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now.

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.

The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices.

You really are not getting it. We are also going to be living with this. How much of the stuff in your house comes from a China that can't produce those things in an outbreak like this?

Okay. What do you want me to do about it? The Chinese screwed us at the beginning of the pandemic with their lying, and now they're the ones getting screwed. They have their government to blame for the mess they're in.

No. Now we are ALL being screwed. You can point the finger elsewhere as much as you want, but we are going to have impacts from this. We're in it together. That's how pandemics are.

At a certain point very early on it became impossible to contain the virus. Social distancing was a very costly way to reduce death while waiting for the vaccine. We could have reduced death more and possibly variants by getting more vaccines out to other countries. Beyond that there is no endgame. The virus surges and falls in ways that are largely out of our control without extreme, unsustainable measures.

Vaccines are not 100% so you need a combination of distancing, masking, vaccines and people staying home when sick. Denial isn't working.

Denial? That's the pot calling the kettle black. You're obviously still in denial about the future of Covid. No level of masking or isolation will make Covid "go away." There's no scientific advance on the horizon that will significantly reduce risk below what we can already do through vaccination. When it comes to Covid, this is, roughly speaking, as good as it gets. It doesn't make sense to continue with measures that we wouldn't be willing to put up with forever. For the vast majority of people, that means no masks. And it means staying home for fevers and other *clear* signs of a communicable infection, but carrying on with mild cold symptoms. When you look at China right now, and to a lesser extent the US with RSV last month, you see the problem with the indefinite infection avoidance strategy: you can't avoid it forever. You just delay it. And the longer you delay it, the more people there are that are vulnerable to reinfection with increasing levels of severity.

We cannot vaccinate our way out if this like we can other things. I’m not in denial but I do actively avoid people like you.

But there’s no “Out of this” Because Covid is here to stay just like many other illnesses. And it’s not just Covid that’s sending people to the hospital right now at this moment.

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Anonymous wrote:FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?

Is their population not highly vaccinated? Ding is a fear mongerer. If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now.

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.

The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices.

You really are not getting it. We are also going to be living with this. How much of the stuff in your house comes from a China that can't produce those things in an outbreak like this?

Okay. What do you want me to do about it? The Chinese screwed us at the beginning of the pandemic with their lying, and now they're the ones getting screwed. They have their government to blame for the mess they're in.

No. Now we are ALL being screwed. You can point the finger elsewhere as much as you want, but we are going to have impacts from this. We're in it together. That's how pandemics are.

At a certain point very early on it became impossible to contain the virus. Social distancing was a very costly way to reduce death while waiting for the vaccine. We could have reduced death more and possibly variants by getting more vaccines out to other countries. Beyond that there is no endgame. The virus surges and falls in ways that are largely out of our control without extreme, unsustainable measures.

Vaccines are not 100% so you need a combination of distancing, masking, vaccines and people staying home when sick. Denial isn't working.

Denial? That's the pot calling the kettle black. You're obviously still in denial about the future of Covid. No level of masking or isolation will make Covid "go away." There's no scientific advance on the horizon that will significantly reduce risk below what we can already do through vaccination. When it comes to Covid, this is, roughly speaking, as good as it gets. It doesn't make sense to continue with measures that we wouldn't be willing to put up with forever. For the vast majority of people, that means no masks. And it means staying home for fevers and other *clear* signs of a communicable infection, but carrying on with mild cold symptoms. When you look at China right now, and to a lesser extent the US with RSV last month, you see the problem with the indefinite infection avoidance strategy: you can't avoid it forever. You just delay it. And the longer you delay it, the more people there are that are vulnerable to reinfection with increasing levels of severity.

We cannot vaccinate our way out if this like we can other things. I’m not in denial but I do actively avoid people like you.

“Out of this”? That’s exactly the denialism I was referring to. Covid will be with us for the foreseeable future. This is the new normal. At least, it will be once we get back to an equilibrium with the other infectious viruses and bacteria.

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Anonymous wrote:FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?

Is their population not highly vaccinated? Ding is a fear mongerer. If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now.

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.

The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices.

So they can mandate people dont leave their homes, but they cant mandate a vaccine?

I’ve never understood this either.

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Anonymous wrote:FTR - this is the result of trying to prevent transmission at all costs, indefinitely:

Feigl-Ding seems to see this as proof that zero COVID policies need to stay which seems crazy to me. They can't be sustained long term. They have massive human costs. And now 1 million + people are going to die very soon, many simply because the healthcare system is completely overrun. What was the point of it all?

Is their population not highly vaccinated? Ding is a fear mongerer. If he ever made accurate predictions, we’d all be dead of monkey pox by now.

No they do not have much immunity from vaccines because the Chinese vaccines were not great and there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy in the elderly population.

Ding is not the one predicting 1 million+ deaths, btw, he's just stating a widely reported projection.

The Chinese painted themselves into this corner. A population without much previous exposure to the virus, low vaccination rates (especially among the elderly) with a not-great vaccine, and insufficient hospital capacity. They screwed themselves with their policies, and now they have to live (or die) with their choices.

You really are not getting it. We are also going to be living with this. How much of the stuff in your house comes from a China that can't produce those things in an outbreak like this?

Okay. What do you want me to do about it? The Chinese screwed us at the beginning of the pandemic with their lying, and now they're the ones getting screwed. They have their government to blame for the mess they're in.

No. Now we are ALL being screwed. You can point the finger elsewhere as much as you want, but we are going to have impacts from this. We're in it together. That's how pandemics are.

At a certain point very early on it became impossible to contain the virus. Social distancing was a very costly way to reduce death while waiting for the vaccine. We could have reduced death more and possibly variants by getting more vaccines out to other countries. Beyond that there is no endgame. The virus surges and falls in ways that are largely out of our control without extreme, unsustainable measures.

Vaccines are not 100% so you need a combination of distancing, masking, vaccines and people staying home when sick. Denial isn't working.

Denial? That's the pot calling the kettle black. You're obviously still in denial about the future of Covid. No level of masking or isolation will make Covid "go away." There's no scientific advance on the horizon that will significantly reduce risk below what we can already do through vaccination. When it comes to Covid, this is, roughly speaking, as good as it gets. It doesn't make sense to continue with measures that we wouldn't be willing to put up with forever. For the vast majority of people, that means no masks. And it means staying home for fevers and other *clear* signs of a communicable infection, but carrying on with mild cold symptoms. When you look at China right now, and to a lesser extent the US with RSV last month, you see the problem with the indefinite infection avoidance strategy: you can't avoid it forever. You just delay it. And the longer you delay it, the more people there are that are vulnerable to reinfection with increasing levels of severity.

We cannot vaccinate our way out if this like we can other things. I’m not in denial but I do actively avoid people like you.

But there’s no “Out of this” Because Covid is here to stay just like many other illnesses. And it’s not just Covid that’s sending people to the hospital right now at this moment.

+1. It's clear that the only way out of it, is through it.

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I don't buy into the idea that getting sick with anything, much less COVID, makes our immune systems stronger. The immune system is not a muscle.

But it does have a memory. It is problematic to prevent everyone from getting exposed to all these viruses for years on end. We're now seeing kids get three years worth of illnesses at the same time, many kids with multiple viruses (Peter Hotez says there are at least 7 major viruses going around). That stresses the healthcare system and I'm guessing children with multiple bugs (not all of which are getting tested for) are at higher risk of severe disease. And this is happening here where kids have had some exposure to viruses at least over the past year. I would not trade places with a person in China right now. They are getting hit with COVID all at once and quite likely many other viruses at some point.