Middle school magnet results?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

The refuse to release any information at all. Except generalities that people (mis)interpret. No one outside of MCPS can even say what “local norming” is or how they do it.

I don't know if they have ever released this information.

No one outside of MCPS knows if the lottery is weighted. No one outside of MCPS knows if there is one or multiple lottery pools for each CES.

They are very careful about the information that they release and the words that they use. It’s very easy for people to read them and infer things that MCPS has not said and will not confirm.

There is a separate question of whether it matters if the public should know, but certainly they are intentionally withholding this information.

Lack of transparency is most likely is due to corrupt practices? If there are misunderstanding, they can just do an FAQ. Not releasing data points to something that they want to hide

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

Perhaps lottery results will show that MCPS agenda? equity over excellence

MCPS's agenda should be both non-discrimination and excellence. Let's see the forest for the trees. Systematic discrimination harms very talented kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

The refuse to release any information at all. Except generalities that people (mis)interpret. No one outside of MCPS can even say what “local norming” is or how they do it.

Perhaps, but 15% should suffice as a solid guess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

Perhaps lottery results will show that MCPS agenda? equity over excellence

MCPS's agenda should be both non-discrimination and excellence. Let's see the forest for the trees. Systematic discrimination harms very talented kids.

I'm so glad they've addressed this with the lottery. It was so wrong that they were admitted only wealthy kids before who could afford prep classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

Perhaps lottery results will show that MCPS agenda? equity over excellence

MCPS's agenda should be both non-discrimination and excellence. Let's see the forest for the trees. Systematic discrimination harms very talented kids.

I'm so glad they've addressed this with the lottery. It was so wrong that they were admitted only wealthy kids before who could afford prep classes.

You mean they denied opportunities for kids who perform high and deserve to be in magnet?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

Perhaps lottery results will show that MCPS agenda? equity over excellence

MCPS's agenda should be both non-discrimination and excellence. Let's see the forest for the trees. Systematic discrimination harms very talented kids.

I'm so glad they've addressed this with the lottery. It was so wrong that they were admitted only wealthy kids before who could afford prep classes.

Let me take a wild guess...you work for mcps right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

Perhaps lottery results will show that MCPS agenda? equity over excellence

MCPS's agenda should be both non-discrimination and excellence. Let's see the forest for the trees. Systematic discrimination harms very talented kids.

I'm so glad they've addressed this with the lottery. It was so wrong that they were admitted only wealthy kids before who could afford prep classes.

You mean they denied opportunities for kids who perform high and deserve to be in magnet?

"Perform high" based on which measure? There are so many factors at play.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

Perhaps lottery results will show that MCPS agenda? equity over excellence

MCPS's agenda should be both non-discrimination and excellence. Let's see the forest for the trees. Systematic discrimination harms very talented kids.

I'm so glad they've addressed this with the lottery. It was so wrong that they were admitted only wealthy kids before who could afford prep classes.

You mean they denied opportunities for kids who perform high and deserve to be in magnet?

"Perform high" based on which measure? There are so many factors at play.

Pre-lottery/post-universal screening they considered grades, MAP and CoGAT (with a MCPS % that was adjusted for three FARMS bands). And added home-school cohort on top of that as a factor. They got rid of self-selection and teacher recs. What else do people want? People go on and on about how the criteria was biased, gamed, susceptible to prepping, etc., but what I really hear is, hey, it’s not perfect (aka my kid didn’t get selected), so let’s make selection random or get rid of the magnets.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

Perhaps lottery results will show that MCPS agenda? equity over excellence

MCPS's agenda should be both non-discrimination and excellence. Let's see the forest for the trees. Systematic discrimination harms very talented kids.

I'm so glad they've addressed this with the lottery. It was so wrong that they were admitted only wealthy kids before who could afford prep classes.

You mean they denied opportunities for kids who perform high and deserve to be in magnet?

"Perform high" based on which measure? There are so many factors at play.

Pre-lottery/post-universal screening they considered grades, MAP and CoGAT (with a MCPS % that was adjusted for three FARMS bands). And added home-school cohort on top of that as a factor. They got rid of self-selection and teacher recs. What else do people want? People go on and on about how the criteria was biased, gamed, susceptible to prepping, etc., but what I really hear is, hey, it’s not perfect (aka my kid didn’t get selected), so let’s make selection random or get rid of the magnets.

People seem to be under the mistaken impression that "meritocracy" is fair.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

Perhaps lottery results will show that MCPS agenda? equity over excellence

MCPS's agenda should be both non-discrimination and excellence. Let's see the forest for the trees. Systematic discrimination harms very talented kids.

I'm so glad they've addressed this with the lottery. It was so wrong that they were admitted only wealthy kids before who could afford prep classes.

You mean they denied opportunities for kids who perform high and deserve to be in magnet?

"Perform high" based on which measure? There are so many factors at play.

Pre-lottery/post-universal screening they considered grades, MAP and CoGAT (with a MCPS % that was adjusted for three FARMS bands). And added home-school cohort on top of that as a factor. They got rid of self-selection and teacher recs. What else do people want? People go on and on about how the criteria was biased, gamed, susceptible to prepping, etc., but what I really hear is, hey, it’s not perfect (aka my kid didn’t get selected), so let’s make selection random or get rid of the magnets.

People seem to be under the mistaken impression that "meritocracy" is fair.

Lets out actual examples to this discussion. There are kids in recent years with straight As, 98-99% MAP, and 98-99% CogAT who were not selected. For those kids, what other measures are important? What are they missing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

The refuse to release any information at all. Except generalities that people (mis)interpret. No one outside of MCPS can even say what “local norming” is or how they do it.

I don't know if they have ever released this information.

No one outside of MCPS knows if the lottery is weighted. No one outside of MCPS knows if there is one or multiple lottery pools for each CES.

They are very careful about the information that they release and the words that they use. It’s very easy for people to read them and infer things that MCPS has not said and will not confirm.

There is a separate question of whether it matters if the public should know, but certainly they are intentionally withholding this information.

Lack of transparency is most likely is due to corrupt practices? If there are misunderstanding, they can just do an FAQ. Not releasing data points to something that they want to hide

Not likely. This board is crazy… just because something isn’t shared with you, you automatically assume it’s for nefarious reasons?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

Perhaps lottery results will show that MCPS agenda? equity over excellence

MCPS's agenda should be both non-discrimination and excellence. Let's see the forest for the trees. Systematic discrimination harms very talented kids.

I'm so glad they've addressed this with the lottery. It was so wrong that they were admitted only wealthy kids before who could afford prep classes.

You mean they denied opportunities for kids who perform high and deserve to be in magnet?

"Perform high" based on which measure? There are so many factors at play.

Pre-lottery/post-universal screening they considered grades, MAP and CoGAT (with a MCPS % that was adjusted for three FARMS bands). And added home-school cohort on top of that as a factor. They got rid of self-selection and teacher recs. What else do people want? People go on and on about how the criteria was biased, gamed, susceptible to prepping, etc., but what I really hear is, hey, it’s not perfect (aka my kid didn’t get selected), so let’s make selection random or get rid of the magnets.

People seem to be under the mistaken impression that "meritocracy" is fair.

It was never a meritocracy, but the recent changes that added local morning and universal screening got us as close as we'd ever been to that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

Perhaps lottery results will show that MCPS agenda? equity over excellence

MCPS's agenda should be both non-discrimination and excellence. Let's see the forest for the trees. Systematic discrimination harms very talented kids.

I'm so glad they've addressed this with the lottery. It was so wrong that they were admitted only wealthy kids before who could afford prep classes.

You mean they denied opportunities for kids who perform high and deserve to be in magnet?

"Perform high" based on which measure? There are so many factors at play.

Pre-lottery/post-universal screening they considered grades, MAP and CoGAT (with a MCPS % that was adjusted for three FARMS bands). And added home-school cohort on top of that as a factor. They got rid of self-selection and teacher recs. What else do people want? People go on and on about how the criteria was biased, gamed, susceptible to prepping, etc., but what I really hear is, hey, it’s not perfect (aka my kid didn’t get selected), so let’s make selection random or get rid of the magnets.

People seem to be under the mistaken impression that "meritocracy" is fair.

Lets out actual examples to this discussion. There are kids in recent years with straight As, 98-99% MAP, and 98-99% CogAT who were not selected. For those kids, what other measures are important? What are they missing?

Cohort

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You mean they denied opportunities for kids who perform high and deserve to be in magnet?

DP. There are lots of kids who could benefit from the opportunities at the magnets, far more than the current system can accommodate. I would never say there are kids who do/don’t “deserve” to be there.

Full disclosure, I have kids in the magnets at TPMS and Blair, both pre-lottery. My TPMS kid was admitted under universal screening. My Blair kid is a 9th grader and didn’t take the CogAT.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

The refuse to release any information at all. Except generalities that people (mis)interpret. No one outside of MCPS can even say what “local norming” is or how they do it.

I don't know if they have ever released this information.

No one outside of MCPS knows if the lottery is weighted. No one outside of MCPS knows if there is one or multiple lottery pools for each CES.

They are very careful about the information that they release and the words that they use. It’s very easy for people to read them and infer things that MCPS has not said and will not confirm.

There is a separate question of whether it matters if the public should know, but certainly they are intentionally withholding this information.

Lack of transparency is most likely is due to corrupt practices? If there are misunderstanding, they can just do an FAQ. Not releasing data points to something that they want to hide

Not likely. This board is crazy… just because something isn’t shared with you, you automatically assume it’s for nefarious reasons?

What is there to hide in the closet? Wny not share data with parents when you are making decisions that effect their kids? Lately MCPS is very shady