Middle school magnet results?

[Anonymous]

I meant MCPS's actions may have violated equal protection... We do not know yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are there parents interested in suing MCPS on this lottery based selection? Any proposal on how we can organize and pool our resources to take a legal action.

There was a lawsuit based upon Asian discrimination and Magnet acceptances.

https://pacificlegal.org/case/afef-v-montgomery-county-public-schools/
https://casetext.com/case/assn-for-educ-fairness-v-montgomery-cnty-bd-of-educ

The MCPS solution was to make the Middle School Magnet system a "lottery" system

Now no one can prove its not random, unless and insider squeals. Although MCPS never defined the "local norming" piece of the "lottery"?

The timeline doesn't match. It says the complaint was filled September 1. Lottery happened earlier in 2021.

The lawsuit was filed on 9/1/2020, and lottery was adopted in 12/2020.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You really don't know anything do you? The judge in that case said the timing and the design of the lottery seemed to indicate that the it may have been at least partially motivated by the lawsuit but that no one will really know until the facts of the case are out.

The lawsuit was not dismissed. What do you mean MCPS is still in a posture where it may not get dismissed? That part of the legal proceedings is done. The case is going forward because there was enough evidence to indicate MCPS's actions violated equal protection and was discriminatory.

For the next lawsuit, my friend, based on the lottery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest started Kindergarten in MCPS in 2004. There has always been more demand for these gifted/enriched magnets than spots.

If I had a magic wand:

1. Offer magnet math, magnet social studies, and magnet English at all middle schools. If there are is no cohort, kids can go to another school. Our MS curriculum is terrible. The majority of families would be happy in home MSs with a more rigorous curriculum.

2. Expand the number of seats in middle school magnet programs by adding more locations, like they have expanded the test-in HS magnet programs. With these expanded seats they can let in all the outliers (98%+ on cogat or map or whatever) and then do a lottery for everyone that is between 98% and 85% to fill the remainder of the spots. We have a ton of highly able students in this county. Let's make the pie bigger.

You are actually drawing lines between kids who scored 98 and 99 percent?

THIS EXAM IS ONE MOMENT FROM ONE DAY OF THEIR LIVES.

That’s the rub though, right? Wherever you draw the line, there will be kids who just missed it. And those kids will have parents.

And that is why a lottery makes such good sense. Easy enough to see when a good student has a poor test day and when a poor student has a good test day.

This is the dumbbest post I came across on this entire forum. Looks like from a middle school dropout. Does not understand the fact that test scores for many parents here means not one day or two.. it is consistent trend across multiple years aboce 95 percentile.
Lottery for magnet program shows unqualiified people in MCPS roles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You really don't know anything do you? The judge in that case said the timing and the design of the lottery seemed to indicate that the it may have been at least partially motivated by the lawsuit but that no one will really know until the facts of the case are out.

The lawsuit was not dismissed. What do you mean MCPS is still in a posture where it may not get dismissed? That part of the legal proceedings is done. The case is going forward because there was enough evidence to indicate MCPS's actions violated equal protection and was discriminatory.

For the next lawsuit, my friend, based on the lottery.

Isn't a better choice to go to private schools? or move to HCPS or LCPS?

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

Huge. 15% of the kids from 5th grade are in the pool.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

Huge. 15% of the kids from 5th grade are in the pool.

I don't think that is correct. 15% would be all kids who scored 85th percentile on MAP, but they also used all As on Math / Writing and Reading, so the percentage would be lower than that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

Huge. 15% of the kids from 5th grade are in the pool.

I don't think that is correct. 15% would be all kids who scored 85th percentile on MAP, but they also used all As on Math / Writing and Reading, so the percentage would be lower than that.

It's not correct for additional reasons. It is the 85%ile, which can be more or less than 15% of the test takers because of local norming and private and homeschool applications aren't 0.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

Huge. 15% of the kids from 5th grade are in the pool.

I don't think that is correct. 15% would be all kids who scored 85th percentile on MAP, but they also used all As on Math / Writing and Reading, so the percentage would be lower than that.

It's not correct for additional reasons. It is the 85%ile, which can be more or less than 15% of the test takers because of local norming and private and homeschool applications aren't 0.

It should average out. Anyway, once they're in the pool it's all random so maybe 1 in 15 are 99% kids of years past but it turns out that doesn't really matter. Seems like all kids can benefit from these programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

The refuse to release any information at all. Except generalities that people (mis)interpret. No one outside of MCPS can even say what “local norming” is or how they do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

The refuse to release any information at all. Except generalities that people (mis)interpret. No one outside of MCPS can even say what “local norming” is or how they do it.

I don't know if they have ever released this information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

The refuse to release any information at all. Except generalities that people (mis)interpret. No one outside of MCPS can even say what “local norming” is or how they do it.

I don't know if they have ever released this information.

No one outside of MCPS knows if the lottery is weighted. No one outside of MCPS knows if there is one or multiple lottery pools for each CES.

They are very careful about the information that they release and the words that they use. It’s very easy for people to read them and infer things that MCPS has not said and will not confirm.

There is a separate question of whether it matters if the public should know, but certainly they are intentionally withholding this information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how big the lottery pools are for Takoma Park and Eastern? Our kid is in both pools, but was selected for neither. Just wondering how many kids are also still in the lottery pool/wait list.

A friend of mine called AEI and they said they are not releasing this information at this time. I’m not sure why not.

Perhaps lottery results will show that MCPS agenda? equity over excellence