Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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Anonymous wrote:I just popped back in after a few weeks away and I see this thread is as absurd, bizarre and off-topic as when I left.

Yep. I pop in every now and then to see the same self-designated sofa sleuths coming up with ever more idiotic theories. I can't believe this thread is still going.

Why are you on a crime thread if you don't like soft sleuths? I pop on here every once in a while and I'm sort of surprised the thread is on the bottom of the Recent Topics page. I guess people are getting bored with this. My theory is that the kidnapping was faked so Americans would be distracted by the disappearance of "America's Grandmother" (gag) long enough to forget about America's Uncle (Jeffrey Epstien). Nope, we still care about all the sickos involved with Uncle Jeffrey.

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Anonymous wrote:So I just heard online that unfortunately, the DNA that was recovered from Nancy’s home did not yield anyone suspicious…..only individuals that were supposed to be in her home.
A lot was riding on this DNA, many had high hopes that the DNA would possibly yield new clues for the case.

Whoever abducted Nancy must have meticulously premeditated her kidnapping because they did not leave anything behind it appears.

It seems like Nancy was simply abducted by space 👽s.
I mean really…….she literally vanished overnight w/only a trace of blood.

I cannot understand how in this day ➕ age, someone can be kidnapped during the night and a month later, no one has been arrested.

I wonder if this failure stems from the Sheriff/FBI conflict?
If this investigation turns up cold because authorities cannot get along then that would be a crying shame.

Our world it seems is just divided in more ways than politically I feel. ;(

She left very neat drops of blood by the front door. They don't look like patter. They look like someone who had a bloody nose and bent down to pick up the newspaper or pet the cat. In other words, staged.

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Anonymous wrote:So I just heard online that unfortunately, the DNA that was recovered from Nancy’s home did not yield anyone suspicious…..only individuals that were supposed to be in her home.
A lot was riding on this DNA, many had high hopes that the DNA would possibly yield new clues for the case.

Whoever abducted Nancy must have meticulously premeditated her kidnapping because they did not leave anything behind it appears.

It seems like Nancy was simply abducted by space 👽s.
I mean really…….she literally vanished overnight w/only a trace of blood.

I cannot understand how in this day ➕ age, someone can be kidnapped during the night and a month later, no one has been arrested.

I wonder if this failure stems from the Sheriff/FBI conflict?
If this investigation turns up cold because authorities cannot get along then that would be a crying shame.

Our world it seems is just divided in more ways than politically I feel. ;(

She left very neat drops of blood by the front door. They don't look like patter. They look like someone who had a bloody nose and bent down to pick up the newspaper or pet the cat. In other words, staged.

Spatter.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think she was killed. No car, no video of her being removed from the house, no proof any of what we see is real. The bloody porch being mishandled to this day. I think this is an unusual situation that is not what everyone believes it to be.

Even if she was taken alive, the more time that passes by, the less likely it is that she is alive given her medical conditions.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't been on this thread in a while but I would like someone to address the gun holster being right in front of where a penis would be if the person on the security footage were a man. I think that is bizarre. No man would have a gun that close to his d***, not to mention being able to walk and bend down with a gun right there. This is a woman.

Men, please chime in on this one particular aspect of the security footage.

Many security professions have chimed in on news programs saying 1 - its a man and 2- this shows its an amature 3- the holster is VERY cheap, not what a normal gun owner would carry around.

I'm saying, very specifically, that no man I know would have a gun pointing anywhere near his penis and that having a gun right there, directly in front of a penis like a sports cup, would make it difficult to walk and to bend down, which that person did.

i'm asking for MEN -- with penises -- to chime in.

Oh hun.

Yes? Do you know any men? Any that would point a gun at their dick? I didn't think so. Most of them are protective of their penis.

You have a strange obsession with this.

I agree - I don't know a guy that would carry a gun like that. Very strange.

No, you're very strange. What theory are you trying to prove here? Make a case or move on.

You seriously don't get it after multiple posts? Are you the woman in the video or something? No man would carry a gun pointing at their dick. They're usually very protective of them. Don't you know any men you could ask?

This is so weird you keep saying this. It’s a common carry position for criminals. This website regarding concealed carry positions indicates that it’s a controversial position that is either adored or hated by concealed carry advocates but allows for a fast draw (desirable if you are a criminal). You see it frequently with people who shoot at cops.
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/which-concealed-carry-position-should-i-use/

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OK. she is dead and missing. case closed. Next time have tags embedded in your family members so that you can find them.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t understand why she ubered to her daughter’s house when it was only 3 miles away. Reports indicate that was out of character. Why didn’t the daughter or son in law pick her up?

Who makes their parent uber on a Saturday afternoon to come over for dinner?

I don't know why this is weird. My parents are in their 80s, they uber everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't been on this thread in a while but I would like someone to address the gun holster being right in front of where a penis would be if the person on the security footage were a man. I think that is bizarre. No man would have a gun that close to his d***, not to mention being able to walk and bend down with a gun right there. This is a woman.

Men, please chime in on this one particular aspect of the security footage.

Many security professions have chimed in on news programs saying 1 - its a man and 2- this shows its an amature 3- the holster is VERY cheap, not what a normal gun owner would carry around.

I'm saying, very specifically, that no man I know would have a gun pointing anywhere near his penis and that having a gun right there, directly in front of a penis like a sports cup, would make it difficult to walk and to bend down, which that person did.

i'm asking for MEN -- with penises -- to chime in.

Oh hun.

Yes? Do you know any men? Any that would point a gun at their dick? I didn't think so. Most of them are protective of their penis.

You have a strange obsession with this.

I agree - I don't know a guy that would carry a gun like that. Very strange.

No, you're very strange. What theory are you trying to prove here? Make a case or move on.

You seriously don't get it after multiple posts? Are you the woman in the video or something? No man would carry a gun pointing at their dick. They're usually very protective of them. Don't you know any men you could ask?

This is so weird you keep saying this. It’s a common carry position for criminals. This website regarding concealed carry positions indicates that it’s a controversial position that is either adored or hated by concealed carry advocates but allows for a fast draw (desirable if you are a criminal). You see it frequently with people who shoot at cops.
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/which-concealed-carry-position-should-i-use/

"Carrying AIWB means you’ve holstered your gun in front of your hip bone at approximately the 1 o’clock position. This pelvically placed method often draws either outright horror or adoration from gun carriers; there is rarely middle ground." The gun in the video was not off to one side. It was directly in the middle.

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For the gun poster here’s another article indicating that front waistband carry is not uncommon, especially among criminals:
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/appendix-carry-thousands-thugs-can%E2%80%99t-be-wrong#:~:text=by%20Greg%20Ellifritz,where%20it%20was%20most%20comfortable.

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Anonymous wrote:For the gun poster here’s another article indicating that front waistband carry is not uncommon, especially among criminals:
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/appendix-carry-thousands-thugs-can%E2%80%99t-be-wrong#:~:text=by%20Greg%20Ellifritz,where%20it%20was%20most%20comfortable.

Of course, in the waistband. IN FRONT OF THE HIP, off to one side -- between the belly button and the hip -- not directly in front of the penis.

From your link:

"Why are all the thugs carrying pistols in their waistbands in front of the hip? And why do most cops and CCW permit holders carry behind the hip? Are there lessons to be learned from the bad guys? As one of the few cops who actually carries his gun in the front “appendix” position, I say “yes”."

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Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

Ok yes. This seems very odd, especially considering the current situation. But honestly, this was pretty typical Gen X behavior. We did weird stuff like that. I once lodged a knife in my armpit and put ketchup around it to scare my brother. I thought I was being funny. We would pretend to run away from home and spend the afternoon in the alley behind our house acting like we were on the lam and just hanging on by a thread. There was a popular, cute little family movie called Savannah Smiles (ironic) about a little girl who ran away and was held hostage by two convicts.

Idk, it was just a different time.

I am Gen X and grew up in Tucson. It was super common to “kidnap” someone for their birthday or other special occasion. You showed up super early to their house, dragged them out of bed in their Jammies with bed head and took them to the Village Inn for waffles. If you didn’t get kidnapped ever, it was super depressing because it meant your friends didn’t love you enough. Or sometimes you’d go for a morning picnic in the wash — but village inn was more common. And you’d steal the table topper (those plastic things that advertised the desserts) as a momento.

Maybe it's a regional thing. I am Gen x and grew up in the East Coast and where I lived this was definitely NOT a thing. The only time "kidnapping" came up was when we were told not to accept candy from men in white vans. It definitely was not part of our pretend play as young kids, and not a part of teen fun. This definitely adds perspective, because I found it quite strange before you mentioned how common it is.

Gen X grew up in Chicago and this was a thing for teams. New members would be "kidnapped" out of bed and dressed up in silly outfits to wear to school. It's just a prank and the parents are in on it like surprising someone for their birthday with a party.

Elder millennial from Miami. My high school dance team did this for new members after tryouts.

Guys we do not care. This has nothing to do with Nancy Guthrie at all.

Oh did you think you were actively solving the crime and were momentarily distracted?

No, the woman is clearly dead and may never be returned but you all competing to share stories trying to prove you were popular and how only losers weren’t kidnapped to go to Denny’s on their birthday or after dance tryouts is excessively idiotic in the context of this thread.

Thank you. JFC people. You being faked kidnapped 20-30 years ago as a prank has nothing to do with Nancy Guthrie. It's probably time for the gun/penis positioning people to take a break as well.

Neither does Savannah being fake kidnapped by her cousins have anything to do with it but people kept insisting this was a bizarre ritual and therefore must be related to Nancy's disappearance.

We had someone "fake kidnap" one of my siblings when we were little and it was a traumatic event that included the police. Other than that I don't know of a single person who fake kidnapped anyone in the 80s. I read of one indident of someone who "fake kidnapped" their own kid to teach them a lesson and the kid was taken away and put in foster care and the parent and aunt were arrested for child cruelty. SO sorry, that is not and was not a normal thing to do.

That's not what anybody is talking about. Nobody actually thinks they're being kidnapped for real when their houseguesting cousin takes them with them when they go back home, or when their friends drag them out of bed to Waffle House on their birthdays or after they make the team.

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Anonymous wrote:For the gun poster here’s another article indicating that front waistband carry is not uncommon, especially among criminals:
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/appendix-carry-thousands-thugs-can%E2%80%99t-be-wrong#:~:text=by%20Greg%20Ellifritz,where%20it%20was%20most%20comfortable.

Of course, in the waistband. IN FRONT OF THE HIP, off to one side -- between the belly button and the hip -- not directly in front of the penis.

From your link:

"Why are all the thugs carrying pistols in their waistbands in front of the hip? And why do most cops and CCW permit holders carry behind the hip? Are there lessons to be learned from the bad guys? As one of the few cops who actually carries his gun in the front “appendix” position, I say “yes”."

Yeah, he’s obviously not the most sophisticated as evidenced by him trying to cover the next camera with leaves. But I think the difference between placing the gun at 1 o’clock versus placing it at noon on the waistband seems a little pedantic, especially if your initial point is that no man would have a gun that close to his penis.

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Anonymous wrote:So I just heard online that unfortunately, the DNA that was recovered from Nancy’s home did not yield anyone suspicious…..only individuals that were supposed to be in her home.
A lot was riding on this DNA, many had high hopes that the DNA would possibly yield new clues for the case.

Whoever abducted Nancy must have meticulously premeditated her kidnapping because they did not leave anything behind it appears.

It seems like Nancy was simply abducted by space 👽s.
I mean really…….she literally vanished overnight w/only a trace of blood.

I cannot understand how in this day ➕ age, someone can be kidnapped during the night and a month later, no one has been arrested.

I wonder if this failure stems from the Sheriff/FBI conflict?
If this investigation turns up cold because authorities cannot get along then that would be a crying shame.

Our world it seems is just divided in more ways than politically I feel. ;(

Is it that surprising he didn’t leave DNA? His skin was totally covered by clothes and his hair totally covered by a ski mask. Often when they find dna at a crime scene it’s hair or the criminal is a total idiot that did something like leave pizza crusts or a soda can behind. I think to leave dna he’d have to literally spit on something.

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Every single person out searching for her who tossed their used gloves on the side of the road or in the desert while looking for evidence should be arrested. What morons.

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Anonymous wrote:For the gun poster here’s another article indicating that front waistband carry is not uncommon, especially among criminals:
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/appendix-carry-thousands-thugs-can%E2%80%99t-be-wrong#:~:text=by%20Greg%20Ellifritz,where%20it%20was%20most%20comfortable.

Of course, in the waistband. IN FRONT OF THE HIP, off to one side -- between the belly button and the hip -- not directly in front of the penis.

From your link:

"Why are all the thugs carrying pistols in their waistbands in front of the hip? And why do most cops and CCW permit holders carry behind the hip? Are there lessons to be learned from the bad guys? As one of the few cops who actually carries his gun in the front “appendix” position, I say “yes”."

Yeah, he’s obviously not the most sophisticated as evidenced by him trying to cover the next camera with leaves. But I think the difference between placing the gun at 1 o’clock versus placing it at noon on the waistband seems a little pedantic, especially if your initial point is that no man would have a gun that close to his penis.

It's not that "he's" not the most sophisticated -- it's that it's clearly a woman, because you don't have to be sophisticated to not want a gun right at your penis. If you have one that is.