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Anonymous wrote:That 27-28 change will also include removing AAP Centers at the middle school level and instead having AAP at all middle schools. Someone finally realized all these projects need to be combined into one comprehensive effort.

I think they are going ahead with it.

Looks like they are bowing to Great Falls on Western school. Very sad.

With the cancellation of next week’s programming vote, you might be right

What is going on with GF and the new HS?

There have long been people in Great Falls who've tried to throw roadblocks in the way of a new, traditional HS in western Fairfax, but it's unlikely that has much to do with the recent delays in moving forward with a decision about the programming for the western HS or the boundaries for the new school. They've got to work through permitting and construction issues before a new public HS could open, even with only 9th and 10th graders, and the biggest complainers about the potential boundaries for the new school have been people now at Oakton, not people in GF.

They could open as is with 9 and 10. The school was built to hold that many kids and they can certainly adapt. Just look what they do at the overcrowded schools.

Great Falls thinks these kids are insurance for them. That has been clear ever since the purchase.

i think the problem with opening is they didn’t file the right permitting (2232?). besides a few vocal great falls residents on next door the rest of the town does not have an opinion either way on the western high school. it does not affect us.

+1. So sad that there is one poster here who posts negative posts about great falls at least a dozen times a day, even when it is not relevant.

I think she dated someone from Great falls and got dumped.

No other group actively organized against this school. But, you know that.

You mean that non-great falls group that wanted it to be a magnet? That’s literally the only one I know that organized anything. Others just questioned the lack of plan and cost.

But you know that.

And, you know who was the base of FairFacts. They wanted to stop the school. Period. A magnet is not the same as a school with boundaries.

But, hopefully, this is not over.

I don’t understand what you mean by “base of fairfacts”? I haven’t seen any position from fairfacts matters on the school, but I may have missed it.

fair facts matters has not spoken out against the school. the only posts i have seen have asked for transparency on the purchase (what is the plan for the school, what other capital projects are being deferred etc). fcps still doesn’t seem to know the plan months after they purchased it

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That is speaking out against the school. And, some of the people who screamed the most on Nextdoor were very much on FairFacts. One lives two miles from Herndon High School.

asking for transparency is talking against the school? i don’t think so. any logical person no matter where the school was purchased would ask questions if FCPS didn’t even announce the purchase for over 2 months after it closed. and now a month after that they still have no idea on programming, boundaries etc. No one is saying the school isn’t needed in that area. But it seemed very impulsive and they didn’t even do the right permitting to get it open for 2026-2027.

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And can you imagine the outcry from people like the PP had a transaction like this occurred in, say, the Langley/McLean area?? We'd never hear the end of it.

If they’d followed any FCPS processes, there’d be data centers built there before FCPS ever held a board meeting to consider a purchase.

This.

Anyone who has ever purchased a house knows that you do not advertise what you are offering to other people searching for houses--or even which house you are going to make an offer.

Possibly. As long as you acknowledge the outcry that would absolutely be happening had this school purchase taken place in a different area of the county.

We don't all think like you. Some of us (myself included) aren't zoned for the new school or one of its donor feeders and are still happy FCPS is doing something about the overcrowding. All the surrounding counties have built new schools in the past 20 years, but we just kept expanding ours into giant monstrosities with strange borders that had lost all sense of a "community school."

PP can’t fathom that not everyone is as selfish as they are. People like PP also love to use the term virtue signaling because they can’t understand that there are people out there who can see past their own nose.

DP. When you've stopped patting yourself on the back, let us know if you have the same empathy for those whose school renovations will be deferred for years because FCPS will now be allocating so much of its capital budget to a western HS that the last CIP didn't contemplate building any earlier than 2034.

How much empathy did you have when the 2016 CIP had it scheduled to be built (for $120 million) in the FY21-25 time frame before the county gave the land to the Saudis? It was deferred for years until the land unexpectedly came available again, and now it's just one year behind the original schedule. Seems about right to me.

Of course, you ignore the money that was invested in additions to schools like Herndon, Oakton, and Madison since 2016. That money was available because a new western HS wasn’t being built, but now you are happy to have your cake and eat it, too, while schools elsewhere in the county are overlooked.

If there was any compelling need for a new HS, they would prioritize the boundaries for the school and we wouldn’t be hearing about how attendance at Western will be optional for years to come. It’s just an expensive toy the dimwits running FCPS decided they just had to have.

Madison and Oakton aren’t “western” high schools. Nice try. Oakton partially services 1 elementary school that’s considered western because the lines are gerrymandered and kids are relegated to 45 minute bus rides.

You’ve also conveniently left out severe overcrowding at chantilly and centreville that needs to be fixed and the KAA purchase will bring immediate relief.

Langley, Madison, and Oakton all serve kids living in the western part of the county and many are very happy with this arrangement. And of course once again you ignore the large expansion of Herndon.

But some people really don't want to send their kids to their assigned schools, particularly Westfield and South Lakes, so they are very happy to see overdue renovations at other schools delayed so that they can have an option other families are denied.

Oink, oink.

Madison does not serve the western parts unless you consider the vale area to be western. I don’t but whatever floats your boat.

Langley lines are absurd and will very likely be changed in the next boundary review because, as the anti-KAA people keep saying, Herndon has empty seats.

Oakton? It’s a mini version of Langley lines…absurdly drawn because of a lack of a western alternative.

No, sweetheart, the lines are drawn as they are because Madison, Oakton, Fairfax, and Woodson are so close to one another, so they have boundaries that extend to the west. Given Langley's location, its boundaries have to extend to the west as well. It can't take kids from Arlington.

And each of Madison, Oakton, Woodson, and Langley has been expanded in the not-too-distant past.

You want a slew of schools that taxpayers footed the bill to expand to end up at 85% capacity or less so you can avoid Westfield and South Lakes. Meanwhile other renovation projects get put on hold.

Absurd, and several School Board members will hear about it if they are stupid enough to run for re-election.

Why do you assume anyone in support of the new high school is zoned for Westfield or South Lakes? Believe it or not, some of us zoned for Oakton are happy about it and hope our kids can attend. We’re not the only ones. But I know that doesn’t fit your narrative of “Langley and Oakton people love their long bus rides so they should not be changed”. We know you dislike anyone who brings up long bus rides because it keeps your ridiculous boundary a topic of conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:That 27-28 change will also include removing AAP Centers at the middle school level and instead having AAP at all middle schools. Someone finally realized all these projects need to be combined into one comprehensive effort.

I think they are going ahead with it.

Looks like they are bowing to Great Falls on Western school. Very sad.

With the cancellation of next week’s programming vote, you might be right

What is going on with GF and the new HS?

There have long been people in Great Falls who've tried to throw roadblocks in the way of a new, traditional HS in western Fairfax, but it's unlikely that has much to do with the recent delays in moving forward with a decision about the programming for the western HS or the boundaries for the new school. They've got to work through permitting and construction issues before a new public HS could open, even with only 9th and 10th graders, and the biggest complainers about the potential boundaries for the new school have been people now at Oakton, not people in GF.

They could open as is with 9 and 10. The school was built to hold that many kids and they can certainly adapt. Just look what they do at the overcrowded schools.

Great Falls thinks these kids are insurance for them. That has been clear ever since the purchase.

i think the problem with opening is they didn’t file the right permitting (2232?). besides a few vocal great falls residents on next door the rest of the town does not have an opinion either way on the western high school. it does not affect us.

+1. So sad that there is one poster here who posts negative posts about great falls at least a dozen times a day, even when it is not relevant.

I think she dated someone from Great falls and got dumped.

No other group actively organized against this school. But, you know that.

You mean that non-great falls group that wanted it to be a magnet? That’s literally the only one I know that organized anything. Others just questioned the lack of plan and cost.

But you know that.

And, you know who was the base of FairFacts. They wanted to stop the school. Period. A magnet is not the same as a school with boundaries.

But, hopefully, this is not over.

I don’t understand what you mean by “base of fairfacts”? I haven’t seen any position from fairfacts matters on the school, but I may have missed it.

fair facts matters has not spoken out against the school. the only posts i have seen have asked for transparency on the purchase (what is the plan for the school, what other capital projects are being deferred etc). fcps still doesn’t seem to know the plan months after they purchased it

THIS ^^

That is speaking out against the school. And, some of the people who screamed the most on Nextdoor were very much on FairFacts. One lives two miles from Herndon High School.

asking for transparency is talking against the school? i don’t think so. any logical person no matter where the school was purchased would ask questions if FCPS didn’t even announce the purchase for over 2 months after it closed. and now a month after that they still have no idea on programming, boundaries etc. No one is saying the school isn’t needed in that area. But it seemed very impulsive and they didn’t even do the right permitting to get it open for 2026-2027.

+1
And can you imagine the outcry from people like the PP had a transaction like this occurred in, say, the Langley/McLean area?? We'd never hear the end of it.

If they’d followed any FCPS processes, there’d be data centers built there before FCPS ever held a board meeting to consider a purchase.

This.

Anyone who has ever purchased a house knows that you do not advertise what you are offering to other people searching for houses--or even which house you are going to make an offer.

Possibly. As long as you acknowledge the outcry that would absolutely be happening had this school purchase taken place in a different area of the county.

We don't all think like you. Some of us (myself included) aren't zoned for the new school or one of its donor feeders and are still happy FCPS is doing something about the overcrowding. All the surrounding counties have built new schools in the past 20 years, but we just kept expanding ours into giant monstrosities with strange borders that had lost all sense of a "community school."

PP can’t fathom that not everyone is as selfish as they are. People like PP also love to use the term virtue signaling because they can’t understand that there are people out there who can see past their own nose.

DP. When you've stopped patting yourself on the back, let us know if you have the same empathy for those whose school renovations will be deferred for years because FCPS will now be allocating so much of its capital budget to a western HS that the last CIP didn't contemplate building any earlier than 2034.

How much empathy did you have when the 2016 CIP had it scheduled to be built (for $120 million) in the FY21-25 time frame before the county gave the land to the Saudis? It was deferred for years until the land unexpectedly came available again, and now it's just one year behind the original schedule. Seems about right to me.

Of course, you ignore the money that was invested in additions to schools like Herndon, Oakton, and Madison since 2016. That money was available because a new western HS wasn’t being built, but now you are happy to have your cake and eat it, too, while schools elsewhere in the county are overlooked.

If there was any compelling need for a new HS, they would prioritize the boundaries for the school and we wouldn’t be hearing about how attendance at Western will be optional for years to come. It’s just an expensive toy the dimwits running FCPS decided they just had to have.

Madison and Oakton aren’t “western” high schools. Nice try. Oakton partially services 1 elementary school that’s considered western because the lines are gerrymandered and kids are relegated to 45 minute bus rides.

You’ve also conveniently left out severe overcrowding at chantilly and centreville that needs to be fixed and the KAA purchase will bring immediate relief.

Langley, Madison, and Oakton all serve kids living in the western part of the county and many are very happy with this arrangement. And of course once again you ignore the large expansion of Herndon.

But some people really don't want to send their kids to their assigned schools, particularly Westfield and South Lakes, so they are very happy to see overdue renovations at other schools delayed so that they can have an option other families are denied.

Oink, oink.

Madison does not serve the western parts unless you consider the vale area to be western. I don’t but whatever floats your boat.

Langley lines are absurd and will very likely be changed in the next boundary review because, as the anti-KAA people keep saying, Herndon has empty seats.

Oakton? It’s a mini version of Langley lines…absurdly drawn because of a lack of a western alternative.

No, sweetheart, the lines are drawn as they are because Madison, Oakton, Fairfax, and Woodson are so close to one another, so they have boundaries that extend to the west. Given Langley's location, its boundaries have to extend to the west as well. It can't take kids from Arlington.

And each of Madison, Oakton, Woodson, and Langley has been expanded in the not-too-distant past.

You want a slew of schools that taxpayers footed the bill to expand to end up at 85% capacity or less so you can avoid Westfield and South Lakes. Meanwhile other renovation projects get put on hold.

Absurd, and several School Board members will hear about it if they are stupid enough to run for re-election.

Why do you assume anyone in support of the new high school is zoned for Westfield or South Lakes? Believe it or not, some of us zoned for Oakton are happy about it and hope our kids can attend. We’re not the only ones. But I know that doesn’t fit your narrative of “Langley and Oakton people love their long bus rides so they should not be changed”. We know you dislike anyone who brings up long bus rides because it keeps your ridiculous boundary a topic of conversation.

Yep. The irony of them condescendingly bringing up geography…yeah let’s talk about that geography between Herndon and Langley.

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Anonymous wrote:That 27-28 change will also include removing AAP Centers at the middle school level and instead having AAP at all middle schools. Someone finally realized all these projects need to be combined into one comprehensive effort.

I think they are going ahead with it.

Looks like they are bowing to Great Falls on Western school. Very sad.

With the cancellation of next week’s programming vote, you might be right

What is going on with GF and the new HS?

There have long been people in Great Falls who've tried to throw roadblocks in the way of a new, traditional HS in western Fairfax, but it's unlikely that has much to do with the recent delays in moving forward with a decision about the programming for the western HS or the boundaries for the new school. They've got to work through permitting and construction issues before a new public HS could open, even with only 9th and 10th graders, and the biggest complainers about the potential boundaries for the new school have been people now at Oakton, not people in GF.

They could open as is with 9 and 10. The school was built to hold that many kids and they can certainly adapt. Just look what they do at the overcrowded schools.

Great Falls thinks these kids are insurance for them. That has been clear ever since the purchase.

i think the problem with opening is they didn’t file the right permitting (2232?). besides a few vocal great falls residents on next door the rest of the town does not have an opinion either way on the western high school. it does not affect us.

+1. So sad that there is one poster here who posts negative posts about great falls at least a dozen times a day, even when it is not relevant.

I think she dated someone from Great falls and got dumped.

No other group actively organized against this school. But, you know that.

You mean that non-great falls group that wanted it to be a magnet? That’s literally the only one I know that organized anything. Others just questioned the lack of plan and cost.

But you know that.

And, you know who was the base of FairFacts. They wanted to stop the school. Period. A magnet is not the same as a school with boundaries.

But, hopefully, this is not over.

I don’t understand what you mean by “base of fairfacts”? I haven’t seen any position from fairfacts matters on the school, but I may have missed it.

fair facts matters has not spoken out against the school. the only posts i have seen have asked for transparency on the purchase (what is the plan for the school, what other capital projects are being deferred etc). fcps still doesn’t seem to know the plan months after they purchased it

THIS ^^

That is speaking out against the school. And, some of the people who screamed the most on Nextdoor were very much on FairFacts. One lives two miles from Herndon High School.

asking for transparency is talking against the school? i don’t think so. any logical person no matter where the school was purchased would ask questions if FCPS didn’t even announce the purchase for over 2 months after it closed. and now a month after that they still have no idea on programming, boundaries etc. No one is saying the school isn’t needed in that area. But it seemed very impulsive and they didn’t even do the right permitting to get it open for 2026-2027.

+1
And can you imagine the outcry from people like the PP had a transaction like this occurred in, say, the Langley/McLean area?? We'd never hear the end of it.

If they’d followed any FCPS processes, there’d be data centers built there before FCPS ever held a board meeting to consider a purchase.

This.

Anyone who has ever purchased a house knows that you do not advertise what you are offering to other people searching for houses--or even which house you are going to make an offer.

Possibly. As long as you acknowledge the outcry that would absolutely be happening had this school purchase taken place in a different area of the county.

We don't all think like you. Some of us (myself included) aren't zoned for the new school or one of its donor feeders and are still happy FCPS is doing something about the overcrowding. All the surrounding counties have built new schools in the past 20 years, but we just kept expanding ours into giant monstrosities with strange borders that had lost all sense of a "community school."

PP can’t fathom that not everyone is as selfish as they are. People like PP also love to use the term virtue signaling because they can’t understand that there are people out there who can see past their own nose.

DP. When you've stopped patting yourself on the back, let us know if you have the same empathy for those whose school renovations will be deferred for years because FCPS will now be allocating so much of its capital budget to a western HS that the last CIP didn't contemplate building any earlier than 2034.

How much empathy did you have when the 2016 CIP had it scheduled to be built (for $120 million) in the FY21-25 time frame before the county gave the land to the Saudis? It was deferred for years until the land unexpectedly came available again, and now it's just one year behind the original schedule. Seems about right to me.

Of course, you ignore the money that was invested in additions to schools like Herndon, Oakton, and Madison since 2016. That money was available because a new western HS wasn’t being built, but now you are happy to have your cake and eat it, too, while schools elsewhere in the county are overlooked.

If there was any compelling need for a new HS, they would prioritize the boundaries for the school and we wouldn’t be hearing about how attendance at Western will be optional for years to come. It’s just an expensive toy the dimwits running FCPS decided they just had to have.

Madison and Oakton aren’t “western” high schools. Nice try. Oakton partially services 1 elementary school that’s considered western because the lines are gerrymandered and kids are relegated to 45 minute bus rides.

You’ve also conveniently left out severe overcrowding at chantilly and centreville that needs to be fixed and the KAA purchase will bring immediate relief.

Langley, Madison, and Oakton all serve kids living in the western part of the county and many are very happy with this arrangement. And of course once again you ignore the large expansion of Herndon.

But some people really don't want to send their kids to their assigned schools, particularly Westfield and South Lakes, so they are very happy to see overdue renovations at other schools delayed so that they can have an option other families are denied.

Oink, oink.

Madison does not serve the western parts unless you consider the vale area to be western. I don’t but whatever floats your boat.

Langley lines are absurd and will very likely be changed in the next boundary review because, as the anti-KAA people keep saying, Herndon has empty seats.

Oakton? It’s a mini version of Langley lines…absurdly drawn because of a lack of a western alternative.

No, sweetheart, the lines are drawn as they are because Madison, Oakton, Fairfax, and Woodson are so close to one another, so they have boundaries that extend to the west. Given Langley's location, its boundaries have to extend to the west as well. It can't take kids from Arlington.

And each of Madison, Oakton, Woodson, and Langley has been expanded in the not-too-distant past.

You want a slew of schools that taxpayers footed the bill to expand to end up at 85% capacity or less so you can avoid Westfield and South Lakes. Meanwhile other renovation projects get put on hold.

Absurd, and several School Board members will hear about it if they are stupid enough to run for re-election.

Why do you assume anyone in support of the new high school is zoned for Westfield or South Lakes? Believe it or not, some of us zoned for Oakton are happy about it and hope our kids can attend. We’re not the only ones. But I know that doesn’t fit your narrative of “Langley and Oakton people love their long bus rides so they should not be changed”. We know you dislike anyone who brings up long bus rides because it keeps your ridiculous boundary a topic of conversation.

Yep. The irony of them condescendingly bringing up geography…yeah let’s talk about that geography between Herndon and Langley.

Back to what someone else said about the uneven distribution of schools, someone is going to have a long bus ride. There is no way around it. And in each area zoned for long bus rides, some will prefer it over the closer school and some will prefer shorter travel time. At the end, people will be unhappy.

As stupid as this whole thing is, I wish they would just do it already. Everyone coming up with "the clearest, smartest, most uncontestable reason for why I personally want is right" is getting old and is a distraction from people getting mad about all the other terrible decisions the Board is making.

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Anonymous wrote:That 27-28 change will also include removing AAP Centers at the middle school level and instead having AAP at all middle schools. Someone finally realized all these projects need to be combined into one comprehensive effort.

I think they are going ahead with it.

Looks like they are bowing to Great Falls on Western school. Very sad.

With the cancellation of next week’s programming vote, you might be right

What is going on with GF and the new HS?

There have long been people in Great Falls who've tried to throw roadblocks in the way of a new, traditional HS in western Fairfax, but it's unlikely that has much to do with the recent delays in moving forward with a decision about the programming for the western HS or the boundaries for the new school. They've got to work through permitting and construction issues before a new public HS could open, even with only 9th and 10th graders, and the biggest complainers about the potential boundaries for the new school have been people now at Oakton, not people in GF.

They could open as is with 9 and 10. The school was built to hold that many kids and they can certainly adapt. Just look what they do at the overcrowded schools.

Great Falls thinks these kids are insurance for them. That has been clear ever since the purchase.

i think the problem with opening is they didn’t file the right permitting (2232?). besides a few vocal great falls residents on next door the rest of the town does not have an opinion either way on the western high school. it does not affect us.

+1. So sad that there is one poster here who posts negative posts about great falls at least a dozen times a day, even when it is not relevant.

I think she dated someone from Great falls and got dumped.

No other group actively organized against this school. But, you know that.

You mean that non-great falls group that wanted it to be a magnet? That’s literally the only one I know that organized anything. Others just questioned the lack of plan and cost.

But you know that.

And, you know who was the base of FairFacts. They wanted to stop the school. Period. A magnet is not the same as a school with boundaries.

But, hopefully, this is not over.

I don’t understand what you mean by “base of fairfacts”? I haven’t seen any position from fairfacts matters on the school, but I may have missed it.

fair facts matters has not spoken out against the school. the only posts i have seen have asked for transparency on the purchase (what is the plan for the school, what other capital projects are being deferred etc). fcps still doesn’t seem to know the plan months after they purchased it

THIS ^^

That is speaking out against the school. And, some of the people who screamed the most on Nextdoor were very much on FairFacts. One lives two miles from Herndon High School.

asking for transparency is talking against the school? i don’t think so. any logical person no matter where the school was purchased would ask questions if FCPS didn’t even announce the purchase for over 2 months after it closed. and now a month after that they still have no idea on programming, boundaries etc. No one is saying the school isn’t needed in that area. But it seemed very impulsive and they didn’t even do the right permitting to get it open for 2026-2027.

+1
And can you imagine the outcry from people like the PP had a transaction like this occurred in, say, the Langley/McLean area?? We'd never hear the end of it.

If they’d followed any FCPS processes, there’d be data centers built there before FCPS ever held a board meeting to consider a purchase.

This.

Anyone who has ever purchased a house knows that you do not advertise what you are offering to other people searching for houses--or even which house you are going to make an offer.

Possibly. As long as you acknowledge the outcry that would absolutely be happening had this school purchase taken place in a different area of the county.

We don't all think like you. Some of us (myself included) aren't zoned for the new school or one of its donor feeders and are still happy FCPS is doing something about the overcrowding. All the surrounding counties have built new schools in the past 20 years, but we just kept expanding ours into giant monstrosities with strange borders that had lost all sense of a "community school."

PP can’t fathom that not everyone is as selfish as they are. People like PP also love to use the term virtue signaling because they can’t understand that there are people out there who can see past their own nose.

DP. When you've stopped patting yourself on the back, let us know if you have the same empathy for those whose school renovations will be deferred for years because FCPS will now be allocating so much of its capital budget to a western HS that the last CIP didn't contemplate building any earlier than 2034.

How much empathy did you have when the 2016 CIP had it scheduled to be built (for $120 million) in the FY21-25 time frame before the county gave the land to the Saudis? It was deferred for years until the land unexpectedly came available again, and now it's just one year behind the original schedule. Seems about right to me.

Of course, you ignore the money that was invested in additions to schools like Herndon, Oakton, and Madison since 2016. That money was available because a new western HS wasn’t being built, but now you are happy to have your cake and eat it, too, while schools elsewhere in the county are overlooked.

If there was any compelling need for a new HS, they would prioritize the boundaries for the school and we wouldn’t be hearing about how attendance at Western will be optional for years to come. It’s just an expensive toy the dimwits running FCPS decided they just had to have.

Madison and Oakton aren’t “western” high schools. Nice try. Oakton partially services 1 elementary school that’s considered western because the lines are gerrymandered and kids are relegated to 45 minute bus rides.

You’ve also conveniently left out severe overcrowding at chantilly and centreville that needs to be fixed and the KAA purchase will bring immediate relief.

Langley, Madison, and Oakton all serve kids living in the western part of the county and many are very happy with this arrangement. And of course once again you ignore the large expansion of Herndon.

But some people really don't want to send their kids to their assigned schools, particularly Westfield and South Lakes, so they are very happy to see overdue renovations at other schools delayed so that they can have an option other families are denied.

Oink, oink.

Madison does not serve the western parts unless you consider the vale area to be western. I don’t but whatever floats your boat.

Langley lines are absurd and will very likely be changed in the next boundary review because, as the anti-KAA people keep saying, Herndon has empty seats.

Oakton? It’s a mini version of Langley lines…absurdly drawn because of a lack of a western alternative.

No, sweetheart, the lines are drawn as they are because Madison, Oakton, Fairfax, and Woodson are so close to one another, so they have boundaries that extend to the west. Given Langley's location, its boundaries have to extend to the west as well. It can't take kids from Arlington.

And each of Madison, Oakton, Woodson, and Langley has been expanded in the not-too-distant past.

You want a slew of schools that taxpayers footed the bill to expand to end up at 85% capacity or less so you can avoid Westfield and South Lakes. Meanwhile other renovation projects get put on hold.

Absurd, and several School Board members will hear about it if they are stupid enough to run for re-election.

Why do you assume anyone in support of the new high school is zoned for Westfield or South Lakes? Believe it or not, some of us zoned for Oakton are happy about it and hope our kids can attend. We’re not the only ones. But I know that doesn’t fit your narrative of “Langley and Oakton people love their long bus rides so they should not be changed”. We know you dislike anyone who brings up long bus rides because it keeps your ridiculous boundary a topic of conversation.

You need to spend more time convincing your fellow Crossfield parents. It's quite obvious a large number there, like those at Langley, are fine with long commutes for known, successful schools.

Most of the fervor for a traditional new HS, though, is coming from those who don't want their kids at Westfield or South Lakes. And they are happy to see others screwed, and many schools end up well below capacity, if they get what they want. It would be less of an issue if KAA really was a turnkey facility, but it's proving to be anything but.

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Anonymous wrote:That 27-28 change will also include removing AAP Centers at the middle school level and instead having AAP at all middle schools. Someone finally realized all these projects need to be combined into one comprehensive effort.

I think they are going ahead with it.

Looks like they are bowing to Great Falls on Western school. Very sad.

With the cancellation of next week’s programming vote, you might be right

What is going on with GF and the new HS?

There have long been people in Great Falls who've tried to throw roadblocks in the way of a new, traditional HS in western Fairfax, but it's unlikely that has much to do with the recent delays in moving forward with a decision about the programming for the western HS or the boundaries for the new school. They've got to work through permitting and construction issues before a new public HS could open, even with only 9th and 10th graders, and the biggest complainers about the potential boundaries for the new school have been people now at Oakton, not people in GF.

They could open as is with 9 and 10. The school was built to hold that many kids and they can certainly adapt. Just look what they do at the overcrowded schools.

Great Falls thinks these kids are insurance for them. That has been clear ever since the purchase.

i think the problem with opening is they didn’t file the right permitting (2232?). besides a few vocal great falls residents on next door the rest of the town does not have an opinion either way on the western high school. it does not affect us.

+1. So sad that there is one poster here who posts negative posts about great falls at least a dozen times a day, even when it is not relevant.

I think she dated someone from Great falls and got dumped.

No other group actively organized against this school. But, you know that.

You mean that non-great falls group that wanted it to be a magnet? That’s literally the only one I know that organized anything. Others just questioned the lack of plan and cost.

But you know that.

And, you know who was the base of FairFacts. They wanted to stop the school. Period. A magnet is not the same as a school with boundaries.

But, hopefully, this is not over.

I don’t understand what you mean by “base of fairfacts”? I haven’t seen any position from fairfacts matters on the school, but I may have missed it.

fair facts matters has not spoken out against the school. the only posts i have seen have asked for transparency on the purchase (what is the plan for the school, what other capital projects are being deferred etc). fcps still doesn’t seem to know the plan months after they purchased it

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That is speaking out against the school. And, some of the people who screamed the most on Nextdoor were very much on FairFacts. One lives two miles from Herndon High School.

asking for transparency is talking against the school? i don’t think so. any logical person no matter where the school was purchased would ask questions if FCPS didn’t even announce the purchase for over 2 months after it closed. and now a month after that they still have no idea on programming, boundaries etc. No one is saying the school isn’t needed in that area. But it seemed very impulsive and they didn’t even do the right permitting to get it open for 2026-2027.

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And can you imagine the outcry from people like the PP had a transaction like this occurred in, say, the Langley/McLean area?? We'd never hear the end of it.

If they’d followed any FCPS processes, there’d be data centers built there before FCPS ever held a board meeting to consider a purchase.

This.

Anyone who has ever purchased a house knows that you do not advertise what you are offering to other people searching for houses--or even which house you are going to make an offer.

Possibly. As long as you acknowledge the outcry that would absolutely be happening had this school purchase taken place in a different area of the county.

We don't all think like you. Some of us (myself included) aren't zoned for the new school or one of its donor feeders and are still happy FCPS is doing something about the overcrowding. All the surrounding counties have built new schools in the past 20 years, but we just kept expanding ours into giant monstrosities with strange borders that had lost all sense of a "community school."

PP can’t fathom that not everyone is as selfish as they are. People like PP also love to use the term virtue signaling because they can’t understand that there are people out there who can see past their own nose.

DP. When you've stopped patting yourself on the back, let us know if you have the same empathy for those whose school renovations will be deferred for years because FCPS will now be allocating so much of its capital budget to a western HS that the last CIP didn't contemplate building any earlier than 2034.

How much empathy did you have when the 2016 CIP had it scheduled to be built (for $120 million) in the FY21-25 time frame before the county gave the land to the Saudis? It was deferred for years until the land unexpectedly came available again, and now it's just one year behind the original schedule. Seems about right to me.

Of course, you ignore the money that was invested in additions to schools like Herndon, Oakton, and Madison since 2016. That money was available because a new western HS wasn’t being built, but now you are happy to have your cake and eat it, too, while schools elsewhere in the county are overlooked.

If there was any compelling need for a new HS, they would prioritize the boundaries for the school and we wouldn’t be hearing about how attendance at Western will be optional for years to come. It’s just an expensive toy the dimwits running FCPS decided they just had to have.

Madison and Oakton aren’t “western” high schools. Nice try. Oakton partially services 1 elementary school that’s considered western because the lines are gerrymandered and kids are relegated to 45 minute bus rides.

You’ve also conveniently left out severe overcrowding at chantilly and centreville that needs to be fixed and the KAA purchase will bring immediate relief.

Langley, Madison, and Oakton all serve kids living in the western part of the county and many are very happy with this arrangement. And of course once again you ignore the large expansion of Herndon.

But some people really don't want to send their kids to their assigned schools, particularly Westfield and South Lakes, so they are very happy to see overdue renovations at other schools delayed so that they can have an option other families are denied.

Oink, oink.

Madison does not serve the western parts unless you consider the vale area to be western. I don’t but whatever floats your boat.

Langley lines are absurd and will very likely be changed in the next boundary review because, as the anti-KAA people keep saying, Herndon has empty seats.

Oakton? It’s a mini version of Langley lines…absurdly drawn because of a lack of a western alternative.

No, sweetheart, the lines are drawn as they are because Madison, Oakton, Fairfax, and Woodson are so close to one another, so they have boundaries that extend to the west. Given Langley's location, its boundaries have to extend to the west as well. It can't take kids from Arlington.

And each of Madison, Oakton, Woodson, and Langley has been expanded in the not-too-distant past.

You want a slew of schools that taxpayers footed the bill to expand to end up at 85% capacity or less so you can avoid Westfield and South Lakes. Meanwhile other renovation projects get put on hold.

Absurd, and several School Board members will hear about it if they are stupid enough to run for re-election.

Why do you assume anyone in support of the new high school is zoned for Westfield or South Lakes? Believe it or not, some of us zoned for Oakton are happy about it and hope our kids can attend. We’re not the only ones. But I know that doesn’t fit your narrative of “Langley and Oakton people love their long bus rides so they should not be changed”. We know you dislike anyone who brings up long bus rides because it keeps your ridiculous boundary a topic of conversation.

Yep. The irony of them condescendingly bringing up geography…yeah let’s talk about that geography between Herndon and Langley.

You’ve gotta have the longest daily streak of posting on DCUM about one inane topic. You seem to think that if you post enough about Langley you can convince everyone that you’re right, even though you’ve been posting the same crap for years to no avail.

I’d say you’re wasting your time, but frankly, given your Langley obsession I’m not sure you’ve got too much else going on.

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The people with the longest commutes largely want to stay put at Langley and Oakton, and not be redistricted.

As a taxpayer I’d be a-okay with Herndon houses going to Langley if the parents were required to provide transportation. But as a taxpayer I don’t like subsidizing a long and inefficient trip to Langley when Herndon is a fraction of the distance away. Same for Oakton.

I think that part of the community would be happy to arrange their own transportation to stay at their current pyramid, but regardless, I think it’s important to remind you that the savings from your proposal would be shockingly small.

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The people with the longest commutes largely want to stay put at Langley and Oakton, and not be redistricted.

As a taxpayer I’d be a-okay with Herndon houses going to Langley if the parents were required to provide transportation. But as a taxpayer I don’t like subsidizing a long and inefficient trip to Langley when Herndon is a fraction of the distance away. Same for Oakton.

I think that part of the community would be happy to arrange their own transportation to stay at their current pyramid, but regardless, I think it’s important to remind you that the savings from your proposal would be shockingly small.

You do know that long, long bus rides require more bus drivers and buses? That is not an insignificant savings. Bus drivers driving to Langley from Herndon and the Loudoun County line are not able to do as many bus routes as the other bus drivers/buses. That is a fact. Maintenance/gas are an additional issue.

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Anonymous wrote:cont. 9-12 mile trip

The people with the longest commutes largely want to stay put at Langley and Oakton, and not be redistricted.

As a taxpayer I’d be a-okay with Herndon houses going to Langley if the parents were required to provide transportation. But as a taxpayer I don’t like subsidizing a long and inefficient trip to Langley when Herndon is a fraction of the distance away. Same for Oakton.

I think that part of the community would be happy to arrange their own transportation to stay at their current pyramid, but regardless, I think it’s important to remind you that the savings from your proposal would be shockingly small.

You do know that long, long bus rides require more bus drivers and buses? That is not an insignificant savings. Bus drivers driving to Langley from Herndon and the Loudoun County line are not able to do as many bus routes as the other bus drivers/buses. That is a fact. Maintenance/gas are an additional issue.

That’s like a first grade analysis of the issue. Travel time is a slightly better proxy, but you’re talking about saving at best twenty to thirty minutes a day per bus, and that’s really just assuming all your stars align. That translates to paying a bus driver at most 90 extra hours per year, or three thousand dollars (maybe four thousand with benefits). You likely wouldn’t even be able to take buses off the road because the logistics wouldn’t work.

To sum up, as you’ve heard before, the savings amounts to a de minimus amount. That’s like one day’s worth of thru’s consulting fee. It’s just not serious to pretend that there are savings from your Langley-soaking agenda.

Now, getting rid of AAP center transportation - that is a conversation worth having.

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Anonymous wrote:That 27-28 change will also include removing AAP Centers at the middle school level and instead having AAP at all middle schools. Someone finally realized all these projects need to be combined into one comprehensive effort.

I think they are going ahead with it.

Looks like they are bowing to Great Falls on Western school. Very sad.

With the cancellation of next week’s programming vote, you might be right

What is going on with GF and the new HS?

There have long been people in Great Falls who've tried to throw roadblocks in the way of a new, traditional HS in western Fairfax, but it's unlikely that has much to do with the recent delays in moving forward with a decision about the programming for the western HS or the boundaries for the new school. They've got to work through permitting and construction issues before a new public HS could open, even with only 9th and 10th graders, and the biggest complainers about the potential boundaries for the new school have been people now at Oakton, not people in GF.

They could open as is with 9 and 10. The school was built to hold that many kids and they can certainly adapt. Just look what they do at the overcrowded schools.

Great Falls thinks these kids are insurance for them. That has been clear ever since the purchase.

i think the problem with opening is they didn’t file the right permitting (2232?). besides a few vocal great falls residents on next door the rest of the town does not have an opinion either way on the western high school. it does not affect us.

+1. So sad that there is one poster here who posts negative posts about great falls at least a dozen times a day, even when it is not relevant.

I think she dated someone from Great falls and got dumped.

No other group actively organized against this school. But, you know that.

You mean that non-great falls group that wanted it to be a magnet? That’s literally the only one I know that organized anything. Others just questioned the lack of plan and cost.

But you know that.

And, you know who was the base of FairFacts. They wanted to stop the school. Period. A magnet is not the same as a school with boundaries.

But, hopefully, this is not over.

I don’t understand what you mean by “base of fairfacts”? I haven’t seen any position from fairfacts matters on the school, but I may have missed it.

fair facts matters has not spoken out against the school. the only posts i have seen have asked for transparency on the purchase (what is the plan for the school, what other capital projects are being deferred etc). fcps still doesn’t seem to know the plan months after they purchased it

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That is speaking out against the school. And, some of the people who screamed the most on Nextdoor were very much on FairFacts. One lives two miles from Herndon High School.

asking for transparency is talking against the school? i don’t think so. any logical person no matter where the school was purchased would ask questions if FCPS didn’t even announce the purchase for over 2 months after it closed. and now a month after that they still have no idea on programming, boundaries etc. No one is saying the school isn’t needed in that area. But it seemed very impulsive and they didn’t even do the right permitting to get it open for 2026-2027.

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And can you imagine the outcry from people like the PP had a transaction like this occurred in, say, the Langley/McLean area?? We'd never hear the end of it.

If they’d followed any FCPS processes, there’d be data centers built there before FCPS ever held a board meeting to consider a purchase.

This.

Anyone who has ever purchased a house knows that you do not advertise what you are offering to other people searching for houses--or even which house you are going to make an offer.

Possibly. As long as you acknowledge the outcry that would absolutely be happening had this school purchase taken place in a different area of the county.

We don't all think like you. Some of us (myself included) aren't zoned for the new school or one of its donor feeders and are still happy FCPS is doing something about the overcrowding. All the surrounding counties have built new schools in the past 20 years, but we just kept expanding ours into giant monstrosities with strange borders that had lost all sense of a "community school."

PP can’t fathom that not everyone is as selfish as they are. People like PP also love to use the term virtue signaling because they can’t understand that there are people out there who can see past their own nose.

DP. When you've stopped patting yourself on the back, let us know if you have the same empathy for those whose school renovations will be deferred for years because FCPS will now be allocating so much of its capital budget to a western HS that the last CIP didn't contemplate building any earlier than 2034.

How much empathy did you have when the 2016 CIP had it scheduled to be built (for $120 million) in the FY21-25 time frame before the county gave the land to the Saudis? It was deferred for years until the land unexpectedly came available again, and now it's just one year behind the original schedule. Seems about right to me.

Of course, you ignore the money that was invested in additions to schools like Herndon, Oakton, and Madison since 2016. That money was available because a new western HS wasn’t being built, but now you are happy to have your cake and eat it, too, while schools elsewhere in the county are overlooked.

If there was any compelling need for a new HS, they would prioritize the boundaries for the school and we wouldn’t be hearing about how attendance at Western will be optional for years to come. It’s just an expensive toy the dimwits running FCPS decided they just had to have.

Madison and Oakton aren’t “western” high schools. Nice try. Oakton partially services 1 elementary school that’s considered western because the lines are gerrymandered and kids are relegated to 45 minute bus rides.

You’ve also conveniently left out severe overcrowding at chantilly and centreville that needs to be fixed and the KAA purchase will bring immediate relief.

Langley, Madison, and Oakton all serve kids living in the western part of the county and many are very happy with this arrangement. And of course once again you ignore the large expansion of Herndon.

But some people really don't want to send their kids to their assigned schools, particularly Westfield and South Lakes, so they are very happy to see overdue renovations at other schools delayed so that they can have an option other families are denied.

Oink, oink.

Madison does not serve the western parts unless you consider the vale area to be western. I don’t but whatever floats your boat.

Langley lines are absurd and will very likely be changed in the next boundary review because, as the anti-KAA people keep saying, Herndon has empty seats.

Oakton? It’s a mini version of Langley lines…absurdly drawn because of a lack of a western alternative.

No, sweetheart, the lines are drawn as they are because Madison, Oakton, Fairfax, and Woodson are so close to one another, so they have boundaries that extend to the west. Given Langley's location, its boundaries have to extend to the west as well. It can't take kids from Arlington.

And each of Madison, Oakton, Woodson, and Langley has been expanded in the not-too-distant past.

You want a slew of schools that taxpayers footed the bill to expand to end up at 85% capacity or less so you can avoid Westfield and South Lakes. Meanwhile other renovation projects get put on hold.

Absurd, and several School Board members will hear about it if they are stupid enough to run for re-election.

The extended boundaries were generated when cows outnumbered people in western Fairfax. There aren't many cows out here anymore. Rather than continuing to build MOWL-sized HSes where the population is (and LCPS does) FCPS threw away the KAA land, began building larger HSes (Westfield/South County), and adding 500+ per HS as each legacy HS came up for renovation. Why? They couldn't project school sizes to save their lives (resulting in a series of "emergency" expansions) and they didn't care what the result would be long term; it was cheaper in the short run.

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Anonymous wrote:That 27-28 change will also include removing AAP Centers at the middle school level and instead having AAP at all middle schools. Someone finally realized all these projects need to be combined into one comprehensive effort.

I think they are going ahead with it.

Looks like they are bowing to Great Falls on Western school. Very sad.

With the cancellation of next week’s programming vote, you might be right

What is going on with GF and the new HS?

There have long been people in Great Falls who've tried to throw roadblocks in the way of a new, traditional HS in western Fairfax, but it's unlikely that has much to do with the recent delays in moving forward with a decision about the programming for the western HS or the boundaries for the new school. They've got to work through permitting and construction issues before a new public HS could open, even with only 9th and 10th graders, and the biggest complainers about the potential boundaries for the new school have been people now at Oakton, not people in GF.

They could open as is with 9 and 10. The school was built to hold that many kids and they can certainly adapt. Just look what they do at the overcrowded schools.

Great Falls thinks these kids are insurance for them. That has been clear ever since the purchase.

i think the problem with opening is they didn’t file the right permitting (2232?). besides a few vocal great falls residents on next door the rest of the town does not have an opinion either way on the western high school. it does not affect us.

+1. So sad that there is one poster here who posts negative posts about great falls at least a dozen times a day, even when it is not relevant.

I think she dated someone from Great falls and got dumped.

No other group actively organized against this school. But, you know that.

You mean that non-great falls group that wanted it to be a magnet? That’s literally the only one I know that organized anything. Others just questioned the lack of plan and cost.

But you know that.

And, you know who was the base of FairFacts. They wanted to stop the school. Period. A magnet is not the same as a school with boundaries.

But, hopefully, this is not over.

I don’t understand what you mean by “base of fairfacts”? I haven’t seen any position from fairfacts matters on the school, but I may have missed it.

fair facts matters has not spoken out against the school. the only posts i have seen have asked for transparency on the purchase (what is the plan for the school, what other capital projects are being deferred etc). fcps still doesn’t seem to know the plan months after they purchased it

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That is speaking out against the school. And, some of the people who screamed the most on Nextdoor were very much on FairFacts. One lives two miles from Herndon High School.

asking for transparency is talking against the school? i don’t think so. any logical person no matter where the school was purchased would ask questions if FCPS didn’t even announce the purchase for over 2 months after it closed. and now a month after that they still have no idea on programming, boundaries etc. No one is saying the school isn’t needed in that area. But it seemed very impulsive and they didn’t even do the right permitting to get it open for 2026-2027.

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And can you imagine the outcry from people like the PP had a transaction like this occurred in, say, the Langley/McLean area?? We'd never hear the end of it.

If they’d followed any FCPS processes, there’d be data centers built there before FCPS ever held a board meeting to consider a purchase.

This.

Anyone who has ever purchased a house knows that you do not advertise what you are offering to other people searching for houses--or even which house you are going to make an offer.

Possibly. As long as you acknowledge the outcry that would absolutely be happening had this school purchase taken place in a different area of the county.

We don't all think like you. Some of us (myself included) aren't zoned for the new school or one of its donor feeders and are still happy FCPS is doing something about the overcrowding. All the surrounding counties have built new schools in the past 20 years, but we just kept expanding ours into giant monstrosities with strange borders that had lost all sense of a "community school."

PP can’t fathom that not everyone is as selfish as they are. People like PP also love to use the term virtue signaling because they can’t understand that there are people out there who can see past their own nose.

DP. When you've stopped patting yourself on the back, let us know if you have the same empathy for those whose school renovations will be deferred for years because FCPS will now be allocating so much of its capital budget to a western HS that the last CIP didn't contemplate building any earlier than 2034.

How much empathy did you have when the 2016 CIP had it scheduled to be built (for $120 million) in the FY21-25 time frame before the county gave the land to the Saudis? It was deferred for years until the land unexpectedly came available again, and now it's just one year behind the original schedule. Seems about right to me.

Of course, you ignore the money that was invested in additions to schools like Herndon, Oakton, and Madison since 2016. That money was available because a new western HS wasn’t being built, but now you are happy to have your cake and eat it, too, while schools elsewhere in the county are overlooked.

If there was any compelling need for a new HS, they would prioritize the boundaries for the school and we wouldn’t be hearing about how attendance at Western will be optional for years to come. It’s just an expensive toy the dimwits running FCPS decided they just had to have.

Madison and Oakton aren’t “western” high schools. Nice try. Oakton partially services 1 elementary school that’s considered western because the lines are gerrymandered and kids are relegated to 45 minute bus rides.

You’ve also conveniently left out severe overcrowding at chantilly and centreville that needs to be fixed and the KAA purchase will bring immediate relief.

Langley, Madison, and Oakton all serve kids living in the western part of the county and many are very happy with this arrangement. And of course once again you ignore the large expansion of Herndon.

But some people really don't want to send their kids to their assigned schools, particularly Westfield and South Lakes, so they are very happy to see overdue renovations at other schools delayed so that they can have an option other families are denied.

Oink, oink.

Madison does not serve the western parts unless you consider the vale area to be western. I don’t but whatever floats your boat.

Langley lines are absurd and will very likely be changed in the next boundary review because, as the anti-KAA people keep saying, Herndon has empty seats.

Oakton? It’s a mini version of Langley lines…absurdly drawn because of a lack of a western alternative.

No, sweetheart, the lines are drawn as they are because Madison, Oakton, Fairfax, and Woodson are so close to one another, so they have boundaries that extend to the west. Given Langley's location, its boundaries have to extend to the west as well. It can't take kids from Arlington.

And each of Madison, Oakton, Woodson, and Langley has been expanded in the not-too-distant past.

You want a slew of schools that taxpayers footed the bill to expand to end up at 85% capacity or less so you can avoid Westfield and South Lakes. Meanwhile other renovation projects get put on hold.

Absurd, and several School Board members will hear about it if they are stupid enough to run for re-election.

The extended boundaries were generated when cows outnumbered people in western Fairfax. There aren't many cows out here anymore. Rather than continuing to build MOWL-sized HSes where the population is (and LCPS does) FCPS threw away the KAA land, began building larger HSes (Westfield/South County), and adding 500+ per HS as each legacy HS came up for renovation. Why? They couldn't project school sizes to save their lives (resulting in a series of "emergency" expansions) and they didn't care what the result would be long term; it was cheaper in the short run.

There are a number of neighborhoods at Oakton who used to be assigned to Chantilly. They are at Oakton--not because it is close to Madison, but because Chantilly was/is overcrowded.

And, FWIW, Oakton is already over capacity--even after the renovation/expansion.

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Anonymous wrote:That 27-28 change will also include removing AAP Centers at the middle school level and instead having AAP at all middle schools. Someone finally realized all these projects need to be combined into one comprehensive effort.

I think they are going ahead with it.

Looks like they are bowing to Great Falls on Western school. Very sad.

With the cancellation of next week’s programming vote, you might be right

What is going on with GF and the new HS?

There have long been people in Great Falls who've tried to throw roadblocks in the way of a new, traditional HS in western Fairfax, but it's unlikely that has much to do with the recent delays in moving forward with a decision about the programming for the western HS or the boundaries for the new school. They've got to work through permitting and construction issues before a new public HS could open, even with only 9th and 10th graders, and the biggest complainers about the potential boundaries for the new school have been people now at Oakton, not people in GF.

They could open as is with 9 and 10. The school was built to hold that many kids and they can certainly adapt. Just look what they do at the overcrowded schools.

Great Falls thinks these kids are insurance for them. That has been clear ever since the purchase.

i think the problem with opening is they didn’t file the right permitting (2232?). besides a few vocal great falls residents on next door the rest of the town does not have an opinion either way on the western high school. it does not affect us.

+1. So sad that there is one poster here who posts negative posts about great falls at least a dozen times a day, even when it is not relevant.

I think she dated someone from Great falls and got dumped.

No other group actively organized against this school. But, you know that.

You mean that non-great falls group that wanted it to be a magnet? That’s literally the only one I know that organized anything. Others just questioned the lack of plan and cost.

But you know that.

And, you know who was the base of FairFacts. They wanted to stop the school. Period. A magnet is not the same as a school with boundaries.

But, hopefully, this is not over.

I don’t understand what you mean by “base of fairfacts”? I haven’t seen any position from fairfacts matters on the school, but I may have missed it.

fair facts matters has not spoken out against the school. the only posts i have seen have asked for transparency on the purchase (what is the plan for the school, what other capital projects are being deferred etc). fcps still doesn’t seem to know the plan months after they purchased it

THIS ^^

That is speaking out against the school. And, some of the people who screamed the most on Nextdoor were very much on FairFacts. One lives two miles from Herndon High School.

asking for transparency is talking against the school? i don’t think so. any logical person no matter where the school was purchased would ask questions if FCPS didn’t even announce the purchase for over 2 months after it closed. and now a month after that they still have no idea on programming, boundaries etc. No one is saying the school isn’t needed in that area. But it seemed very impulsive and they didn’t even do the right permitting to get it open for 2026-2027.

+1
And can you imagine the outcry from people like the PP had a transaction like this occurred in, say, the Langley/McLean area?? We'd never hear the end of it.

If they’d followed any FCPS processes, there’d be data centers built there before FCPS ever held a board meeting to consider a purchase.

This.

Anyone who has ever purchased a house knows that you do not advertise what you are offering to other people searching for houses--or even which house you are going to make an offer.

Possibly. As long as you acknowledge the outcry that would absolutely be happening had this school purchase taken place in a different area of the county.

We don't all think like you. Some of us (myself included) aren't zoned for the new school or one of its donor feeders and are still happy FCPS is doing something about the overcrowding. All the surrounding counties have built new schools in the past 20 years, but we just kept expanding ours into giant monstrosities with strange borders that had lost all sense of a "community school."

PP can’t fathom that not everyone is as selfish as they are. People like PP also love to use the term virtue signaling because they can’t understand that there are people out there who can see past their own nose.

DP. When you've stopped patting yourself on the back, let us know if you have the same empathy for those whose school renovations will be deferred for years because FCPS will now be allocating so much of its capital budget to a western HS that the last CIP didn't contemplate building any earlier than 2034.

How much empathy did you have when the 2016 CIP had it scheduled to be built (for $120 million) in the FY21-25 time frame before the county gave the land to the Saudis? It was deferred for years until the land unexpectedly came available again, and now it's just one year behind the original schedule. Seems about right to me.

Of course, you ignore the money that was invested in additions to schools like Herndon, Oakton, and Madison since 2016. That money was available because a new western HS wasn’t being built, but now you are happy to have your cake and eat it, too, while schools elsewhere in the county are overlooked.

If there was any compelling need for a new HS, they would prioritize the boundaries for the school and we wouldn’t be hearing about how attendance at Western will be optional for years to come. It’s just an expensive toy the dimwits running FCPS decided they just had to have.

Madison and Oakton aren’t “western” high schools. Nice try. Oakton partially services 1 elementary school that’s considered western because the lines are gerrymandered and kids are relegated to 45 minute bus rides.

You’ve also conveniently left out severe overcrowding at chantilly and centreville that needs to be fixed and the KAA purchase will bring immediate relief.

Langley, Madison, and Oakton all serve kids living in the western part of the county and many are very happy with this arrangement. And of course once again you ignore the large expansion of Herndon.

But some people really don't want to send their kids to their assigned schools, particularly Westfield and South Lakes, so they are very happy to see overdue renovations at other schools delayed so that they can have an option other families are denied.

Oink, oink.

Madison does not serve the western parts unless you consider the vale area to be western. I don’t but whatever floats your boat.

Langley lines are absurd and will very likely be changed in the next boundary review because, as the anti-KAA people keep saying, Herndon has empty seats.

Oakton? It’s a mini version of Langley lines…absurdly drawn because of a lack of a western alternative.

No, sweetheart, the lines are drawn as they are because Madison, Oakton, Fairfax, and Woodson are so close to one another, so they have boundaries that extend to the west. Given Langley's location, its boundaries have to extend to the west as well. It can't take kids from Arlington.

And each of Madison, Oakton, Woodson, and Langley has been expanded in the not-too-distant past.

You want a slew of schools that taxpayers footed the bill to expand to end up at 85% capacity or less so you can avoid Westfield and South Lakes. Meanwhile other renovation projects get put on hold.

Absurd, and several School Board members will hear about it if they are stupid enough to run for re-election.

The extended boundaries were generated when cows outnumbered people in western Fairfax. There aren't many cows out here anymore. Rather than continuing to build MOWL-sized HSes where the population is (and LCPS does) FCPS threw away the KAA land, began building larger HSes (Westfield/South County), and adding 500+ per HS as each legacy HS came up for renovation. Why? They couldn't project school sizes to save their lives (resulting in a series of "emergency" expansions) and they didn't care what the result would be long term; it was cheaper in the short run.

That's a criticism, not a justification for deferring other renovation projects and screwing other communities because a few School Board members got googly eyed about KAA before they'd figured out how many HS kids it can handle or what type of programming it should offer.

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Anonymous wrote:That 27-28 change will also include removing AAP Centers at the middle school level and instead having AAP at all middle schools. Someone finally realized all these projects need to be combined into one comprehensive effort.

I think they are going ahead with it.

Looks like they are bowing to Great Falls on Western school. Very sad.

With the cancellation of next week’s programming vote, you might be right

What is going on with GF and the new HS?

There have long been people in Great Falls who've tried to throw roadblocks in the way of a new, traditional HS in western Fairfax, but it's unlikely that has much to do with the recent delays in moving forward with a decision about the programming for the western HS or the boundaries for the new school. They've got to work through permitting and construction issues before a new public HS could open, even with only 9th and 10th graders, and the biggest complainers about the potential boundaries for the new school have been people now at Oakton, not people in GF.

They could open as is with 9 and 10. The school was built to hold that many kids and they can certainly adapt. Just look what they do at the overcrowded schools.

Great Falls thinks these kids are insurance for them. That has been clear ever since the purchase.

i think the problem with opening is they didn’t file the right permitting (2232?). besides a few vocal great falls residents on next door the rest of the town does not have an opinion either way on the western high school. it does not affect us.

+1. So sad that there is one poster here who posts negative posts about great falls at least a dozen times a day, even when it is not relevant.

I think she dated someone from Great falls and got dumped.

No other group actively organized against this school. But, you know that.

You mean that non-great falls group that wanted it to be a magnet? That’s literally the only one I know that organized anything. Others just questioned the lack of plan and cost.

But you know that.

And, you know who was the base of FairFacts. They wanted to stop the school. Period. A magnet is not the same as a school with boundaries.

But, hopefully, this is not over.

I don’t understand what you mean by “base of fairfacts”? I haven’t seen any position from fairfacts matters on the school, but I may have missed it.

fair facts matters has not spoken out against the school. the only posts i have seen have asked for transparency on the purchase (what is the plan for the school, what other capital projects are being deferred etc). fcps still doesn’t seem to know the plan months after they purchased it

THIS ^^

That is speaking out against the school. And, some of the people who screamed the most on Nextdoor were very much on FairFacts. One lives two miles from Herndon High School.

asking for transparency is talking against the school? i don’t think so. any logical person no matter where the school was purchased would ask questions if FCPS didn’t even announce the purchase for over 2 months after it closed. and now a month after that they still have no idea on programming, boundaries etc. No one is saying the school isn’t needed in that area. But it seemed very impulsive and they didn’t even do the right permitting to get it open for 2026-2027.

+1
And can you imagine the outcry from people like the PP had a transaction like this occurred in, say, the Langley/McLean area?? We'd never hear the end of it.

If they’d followed any FCPS processes, there’d be data centers built there before FCPS ever held a board meeting to consider a purchase.

This.

Anyone who has ever purchased a house knows that you do not advertise what you are offering to other people searching for houses--or even which house you are going to make an offer.

Possibly. As long as you acknowledge the outcry that would absolutely be happening had this school purchase taken place in a different area of the county.

We don't all think like you. Some of us (myself included) aren't zoned for the new school or one of its donor feeders and are still happy FCPS is doing something about the overcrowding. All the surrounding counties have built new schools in the past 20 years, but we just kept expanding ours into giant monstrosities with strange borders that had lost all sense of a "community school."

PP can’t fathom that not everyone is as selfish as they are. People like PP also love to use the term virtue signaling because they can’t understand that there are people out there who can see past their own nose.

DP. When you've stopped patting yourself on the back, let us know if you have the same empathy for those whose school renovations will be deferred for years because FCPS will now be allocating so much of its capital budget to a western HS that the last CIP didn't contemplate building any earlier than 2034.

How much empathy did you have when the 2016 CIP had it scheduled to be built (for $120 million) in the FY21-25 time frame before the county gave the land to the Saudis? It was deferred for years until the land unexpectedly came available again, and now it's just one year behind the original schedule. Seems about right to me.

Of course, you ignore the money that was invested in additions to schools like Herndon, Oakton, and Madison since 2016. That money was available because a new western HS wasn’t being built, but now you are happy to have your cake and eat it, too, while schools elsewhere in the county are overlooked.

If there was any compelling need for a new HS, they would prioritize the boundaries for the school and we wouldn’t be hearing about how attendance at Western will be optional for years to come. It’s just an expensive toy the dimwits running FCPS decided they just had to have.

Madison and Oakton aren’t “western” high schools. Nice try. Oakton partially services 1 elementary school that’s considered western because the lines are gerrymandered and kids are relegated to 45 minute bus rides.

You’ve also conveniently left out severe overcrowding at chantilly and centreville that needs to be fixed and the KAA purchase will bring immediate relief.

Langley, Madison, and Oakton all serve kids living in the western part of the county and many are very happy with this arrangement. And of course once again you ignore the large expansion of Herndon.

But some people really don't want to send their kids to their assigned schools, particularly Westfield and South Lakes, so they are very happy to see overdue renovations at other schools delayed so that they can have an option other families are denied.

Oink, oink.

Madison does not serve the western parts unless you consider the vale area to be western. I don’t but whatever floats your boat.

Langley lines are absurd and will very likely be changed in the next boundary review because, as the anti-KAA people keep saying, Herndon has empty seats.

Oakton? It’s a mini version of Langley lines…absurdly drawn because of a lack of a western alternative.

No, sweetheart, the lines are drawn as they are because Madison, Oakton, Fairfax, and Woodson are so close to one another, so they have boundaries that extend to the west. Given Langley's location, its boundaries have to extend to the west as well. It can't take kids from Arlington.

And each of Madison, Oakton, Woodson, and Langley has been expanded in the not-too-distant past.

You want a slew of schools that taxpayers footed the bill to expand to end up at 85% capacity or less so you can avoid Westfield and South Lakes. Meanwhile other renovation projects get put on hold.

Absurd, and several School Board members will hear about it if they are stupid enough to run for re-election.

The extended boundaries were generated when cows outnumbered people in western Fairfax. There aren't many cows out here anymore. Rather than continuing to build MOWL-sized HSes where the population is (and LCPS does) FCPS threw away the KAA land, began building larger HSes (Westfield/South County), and adding 500+ per HS as each legacy HS came up for renovation. Why? They couldn't project school sizes to save their lives (resulting in a series of "emergency" expansions) and they didn't care what the result would be long term; it was cheaper in the short run.

That's a criticism, not a justification for deferring other renovation projects and screwing other communities because a few School Board members got googly eyed about KAA before they'd figured out how many HS kids it can handle or what type of programming it should offer.

It can handle 2,000 kids and will be a traditional high school. Next?

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Anonymous wrote:That 27-28 change will also include removing AAP Centers at the middle school level and instead having AAP at all middle schools. Someone finally realized all these projects need to be combined into one comprehensive effort.

I think they are going ahead with it.

Looks like they are bowing to Great Falls on Western school. Very sad.

With the cancellation of next week’s programming vote, you might be right

What is going on with GF and the new HS?

There have long been people in Great Falls who've tried to throw roadblocks in the way of a new, traditional HS in western Fairfax, but it's unlikely that has much to do with the recent delays in moving forward with a decision about the programming for the western HS or the boundaries for the new school. They've got to work through permitting and construction issues before a new public HS could open, even with only 9th and 10th graders, and the biggest complainers about the potential boundaries for the new school have been people now at Oakton, not people in GF.

They could open as is with 9 and 10. The school was built to hold that many kids and they can certainly adapt. Just look what they do at the overcrowded schools.

Great Falls thinks these kids are insurance for them. That has been clear ever since the purchase.

i think the problem with opening is they didn’t file the right permitting (2232?). besides a few vocal great falls residents on next door the rest of the town does not have an opinion either way on the western high school. it does not affect us.

+1. So sad that there is one poster here who posts negative posts about great falls at least a dozen times a day, even when it is not relevant.

I think she dated someone from Great falls and got dumped.

No other group actively organized against this school. But, you know that.

You mean that non-great falls group that wanted it to be a magnet? That’s literally the only one I know that organized anything. Others just questioned the lack of plan and cost.

But you know that.

And, you know who was the base of FairFacts. They wanted to stop the school. Period. A magnet is not the same as a school with boundaries.

But, hopefully, this is not over.

I don’t understand what you mean by “base of fairfacts”? I haven’t seen any position from fairfacts matters on the school, but I may have missed it.

fair facts matters has not spoken out against the school. the only posts i have seen have asked for transparency on the purchase (what is the plan for the school, what other capital projects are being deferred etc). fcps still doesn’t seem to know the plan months after they purchased it

THIS ^^

That is speaking out against the school. And, some of the people who screamed the most on Nextdoor were very much on FairFacts. One lives two miles from Herndon High School.

asking for transparency is talking against the school? i don’t think so. any logical person no matter where the school was purchased would ask questions if FCPS didn’t even announce the purchase for over 2 months after it closed. and now a month after that they still have no idea on programming, boundaries etc. No one is saying the school isn’t needed in that area. But it seemed very impulsive and they didn’t even do the right permitting to get it open for 2026-2027.

+1
And can you imagine the outcry from people like the PP had a transaction like this occurred in, say, the Langley/McLean area?? We'd never hear the end of it.

If they’d followed any FCPS processes, there’d be data centers built there before FCPS ever held a board meeting to consider a purchase.

This.

Anyone who has ever purchased a house knows that you do not advertise what you are offering to other people searching for houses--or even which house you are going to make an offer.

Possibly. As long as you acknowledge the outcry that would absolutely be happening had this school purchase taken place in a different area of the county.

We don't all think like you. Some of us (myself included) aren't zoned for the new school or one of its donor feeders and are still happy FCPS is doing something about the overcrowding. All the surrounding counties have built new schools in the past 20 years, but we just kept expanding ours into giant monstrosities with strange borders that had lost all sense of a "community school."

PP can’t fathom that not everyone is as selfish as they are. People like PP also love to use the term virtue signaling because they can’t understand that there are people out there who can see past their own nose.

DP. When you've stopped patting yourself on the back, let us know if you have the same empathy for those whose school renovations will be deferred for years because FCPS will now be allocating so much of its capital budget to a western HS that the last CIP didn't contemplate building any earlier than 2034.

How much empathy did you have when the 2016 CIP had it scheduled to be built (for $120 million) in the FY21-25 time frame before the county gave the land to the Saudis? It was deferred for years until the land unexpectedly came available again, and now it's just one year behind the original schedule. Seems about right to me.

Of course, you ignore the money that was invested in additions to schools like Herndon, Oakton, and Madison since 2016. That money was available because a new western HS wasn’t being built, but now you are happy to have your cake and eat it, too, while schools elsewhere in the county are overlooked.

If there was any compelling need for a new HS, they would prioritize the boundaries for the school and we wouldn’t be hearing about how attendance at Western will be optional for years to come. It’s just an expensive toy the dimwits running FCPS decided they just had to have.

Madison and Oakton aren’t “western” high schools. Nice try. Oakton partially services 1 elementary school that’s considered western because the lines are gerrymandered and kids are relegated to 45 minute bus rides.

You’ve also conveniently left out severe overcrowding at chantilly and centreville that needs to be fixed and the KAA purchase will bring immediate relief.

Langley, Madison, and Oakton all serve kids living in the western part of the county and many are very happy with this arrangement. And of course once again you ignore the large expansion of Herndon.

But some people really don't want to send their kids to their assigned schools, particularly Westfield and South Lakes, so they are very happy to see overdue renovations at other schools delayed so that they can have an option other families are denied.

Oink, oink.

Madison does not serve the western parts unless you consider the vale area to be western. I don’t but whatever floats your boat.

Langley lines are absurd and will very likely be changed in the next boundary review because, as the anti-KAA people keep saying, Herndon has empty seats.

Oakton? It’s a mini version of Langley lines…absurdly drawn because of a lack of a western alternative.

No, sweetheart, the lines are drawn as they are because Madison, Oakton, Fairfax, and Woodson are so close to one another, so they have boundaries that extend to the west. Given Langley's location, its boundaries have to extend to the west as well. It can't take kids from Arlington.

And each of Madison, Oakton, Woodson, and Langley has been expanded in the not-too-distant past.

You want a slew of schools that taxpayers footed the bill to expand to end up at 85% capacity or less so you can avoid Westfield and South Lakes. Meanwhile other renovation projects get put on hold.

Absurd, and several School Board members will hear about it if they are stupid enough to run for re-election.

The extended boundaries were generated when cows outnumbered people in western Fairfax. There aren't many cows out here anymore. Rather than continuing to build MOWL-sized HSes where the population is (and LCPS does) FCPS threw away the KAA land, began building larger HSes (Westfield/South County), and adding 500+ per HS as each legacy HS came up for renovation. Why? They couldn't project school sizes to save their lives (resulting in a series of "emergency" expansions) and they didn't care what the result would be long term; it was cheaper in the short run.

That's a criticism, not a justification for deferring other renovation projects and screwing other communities because a few School Board members got googly eyed about KAA before they'd figured out how many HS kids it can handle or what type of programming it should offer.

It can handle 2,000 kids and will be a traditional high school. Next?

Not now it can't.

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Anonymous wrote:That 27-28 change will also include removing AAP Centers at the middle school level and instead having AAP at all middle schools. Someone finally realized all these projects need to be combined into one comprehensive effort.

I think they are going ahead with it.

Looks like they are bowing to Great Falls on Western school. Very sad.

With the cancellation of next week’s programming vote, you might be right

What is going on with GF and the new HS?

There have long been people in Great Falls who've tried to throw roadblocks in the way of a new, traditional HS in western Fairfax, but it's unlikely that has much to do with the recent delays in moving forward with a decision about the programming for the western HS or the boundaries for the new school. They've got to work through permitting and construction issues before a new public HS could open, even with only 9th and 10th graders, and the biggest complainers about the potential boundaries for the new school have been people now at Oakton, not people in GF.

They could open as is with 9 and 10. The school was built to hold that many kids and they can certainly adapt. Just look what they do at the overcrowded schools.

Great Falls thinks these kids are insurance for them. That has been clear ever since the purchase.

i think the problem with opening is they didn’t file the right permitting (2232?). besides a few vocal great falls residents on next door the rest of the town does not have an opinion either way on the western high school. it does not affect us.

+1. So sad that there is one poster here who posts negative posts about great falls at least a dozen times a day, even when it is not relevant.

I think she dated someone from Great falls and got dumped.

No other group actively organized against this school. But, you know that.

You mean that non-great falls group that wanted it to be a magnet? That’s literally the only one I know that organized anything. Others just questioned the lack of plan and cost.

But you know that.

And, you know who was the base of FairFacts. They wanted to stop the school. Period. A magnet is not the same as a school with boundaries.

But, hopefully, this is not over.

I don’t understand what you mean by “base of fairfacts”? I haven’t seen any position from fairfacts matters on the school, but I may have missed it.

fair facts matters has not spoken out against the school. the only posts i have seen have asked for transparency on the purchase (what is the plan for the school, what other capital projects are being deferred etc). fcps still doesn’t seem to know the plan months after they purchased it

THIS ^^

That is speaking out against the school. And, some of the people who screamed the most on Nextdoor were very much on FairFacts. One lives two miles from Herndon High School.

asking for transparency is talking against the school? i don’t think so. any logical person no matter where the school was purchased would ask questions if FCPS didn’t even announce the purchase for over 2 months after it closed. and now a month after that they still have no idea on programming, boundaries etc. No one is saying the school isn’t needed in that area. But it seemed very impulsive and they didn’t even do the right permitting to get it open for 2026-2027.

+1
And can you imagine the outcry from people like the PP had a transaction like this occurred in, say, the Langley/McLean area?? We'd never hear the end of it.

If they’d followed any FCPS processes, there’d be data centers built there before FCPS ever held a board meeting to consider a purchase.

This.

Anyone who has ever purchased a house knows that you do not advertise what you are offering to other people searching for houses--or even which house you are going to make an offer.

Possibly. As long as you acknowledge the outcry that would absolutely be happening had this school purchase taken place in a different area of the county.

We don't all think like you. Some of us (myself included) aren't zoned for the new school or one of its donor feeders and are still happy FCPS is doing something about the overcrowding. All the surrounding counties have built new schools in the past 20 years, but we just kept expanding ours into giant monstrosities with strange borders that had lost all sense of a "community school."

PP can’t fathom that not everyone is as selfish as they are. People like PP also love to use the term virtue signaling because they can’t understand that there are people out there who can see past their own nose.

DP. When you've stopped patting yourself on the back, let us know if you have the same empathy for those whose school renovations will be deferred for years because FCPS will now be allocating so much of its capital budget to a western HS that the last CIP didn't contemplate building any earlier than 2034.

How much empathy did you have when the 2016 CIP had it scheduled to be built (for $120 million) in the FY21-25 time frame before the county gave the land to the Saudis? It was deferred for years until the land unexpectedly came available again, and now it's just one year behind the original schedule. Seems about right to me.

Of course, you ignore the money that was invested in additions to schools like Herndon, Oakton, and Madison since 2016. That money was available because a new western HS wasn’t being built, but now you are happy to have your cake and eat it, too, while schools elsewhere in the county are overlooked.

If there was any compelling need for a new HS, they would prioritize the boundaries for the school and we wouldn’t be hearing about how attendance at Western will be optional for years to come. It’s just an expensive toy the dimwits running FCPS decided they just had to have.

Madison and Oakton aren’t “western” high schools. Nice try. Oakton partially services 1 elementary school that’s considered western because the lines are gerrymandered and kids are relegated to 45 minute bus rides.

You’ve also conveniently left out severe overcrowding at chantilly and centreville that needs to be fixed and the KAA purchase will bring immediate relief.

Langley, Madison, and Oakton all serve kids living in the western part of the county and many are very happy with this arrangement. And of course once again you ignore the large expansion of Herndon.

But some people really don't want to send their kids to their assigned schools, particularly Westfield and South Lakes, so they are very happy to see overdue renovations at other schools delayed so that they can have an option other families are denied.

Oink, oink.

Madison does not serve the western parts unless you consider the vale area to be western. I don’t but whatever floats your boat.

Langley lines are absurd and will very likely be changed in the next boundary review because, as the anti-KAA people keep saying, Herndon has empty seats.

Oakton? It’s a mini version of Langley lines…absurdly drawn because of a lack of a western alternative.

No, sweetheart, the lines are drawn as they are because Madison, Oakton, Fairfax, and Woodson are so close to one another, so they have boundaries that extend to the west. Given Langley's location, its boundaries have to extend to the west as well. It can't take kids from Arlington.

And each of Madison, Oakton, Woodson, and Langley has been expanded in the not-too-distant past.

You want a slew of schools that taxpayers footed the bill to expand to end up at 85% capacity or less so you can avoid Westfield and South Lakes. Meanwhile other renovation projects get put on hold.

Absurd, and several School Board members will hear about it if they are stupid enough to run for re-election.

The extended boundaries were generated when cows outnumbered people in western Fairfax. There aren't many cows out here anymore. Rather than continuing to build MOWL-sized HSes where the population is (and LCPS does) FCPS threw away the KAA land, began building larger HSes (Westfield/South County), and adding 500+ per HS as each legacy HS came up for renovation. Why? They couldn't project school sizes to save their lives (resulting in a series of "emergency" expansions) and they didn't care what the result would be long term; it was cheaper in the short run.

That's a criticism, not a justification for deferring other renovation projects and screwing other communities because a few School Board members got googly eyed about KAA before they'd figured out how many HS kids it can handle or what type of programming it should offer.

It can handle 2,000 kids and will be a traditional high school. Next?

Not now it can't.

It can with minimal adjustments.

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Anonymous wrote:cont. 9-12 mile trip

The people with the longest commutes largely want to stay put at Langley and Oakton, and not be redistricted.

As a taxpayer I’d be a-okay with Herndon houses going to Langley if the parents were required to provide transportation. But as a taxpayer I don’t like subsidizing a long and inefficient trip to Langley when Herndon is a fraction of the distance away. Same for Oakton.

I think that part of the community would be happy to arrange their own transportation to stay at their current pyramid, but regardless, I think it’s important to remind you that the savings from your proposal would be shockingly small.

You do know that long, long bus rides require more bus drivers and buses? That is not an insignificant savings. Bus drivers driving to Langley from Herndon and the Loudoun County line are not able to do as many bus routes as the other bus drivers/buses. That is a fact. Maintenance/gas are an additional issue.

That’s like a first grade analysis of the issue. Travel time is a slightly better proxy, but you’re talking about saving at best twenty to thirty minutes a day per bus, and that’s really just assuming all your stars align. That translates to paying a bus driver at most 90 extra hours per year, or three thousand dollars (maybe four thousand with benefits). You likely wouldn’t even be able to take buses off the road because the logistics wouldn’t work.

To sum up, as you’ve heard before, the savings amounts to a de minimus amount. That’s like one day’s worth of thru’s consulting fee. It’s just not serious to pretend that there are savings from your Langley-soaking agenda.

Now, getting rid of AAP center transportation - that is a conversation worth having.

+ a million, especially the bolded.