Fairfax County Double Murder

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BB is no longer employed with the IRS as of 9/4/24.

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Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

You got a few things wrong to say the least. The police believe that Christine's profile was not of her own creation or even knowledge. It was created by brendan. Another thing you got wrong is whom ever Joe was speaking with and it appears now it was brendan using a voice app to change his voice asked Joe to get a knife, and brought up blood play. That was NOT Joe at all. They then asked after he had it would he take a photo of it and send it. They were setting this entire thing up to make him take the fall. In court the prosecutor and the coroner did NOT over state Joe's condition and capacity after the first shot. Both shots were progressive death shots which means either or both killed him, this was explained in the hearing by the sworn coroner. It was always stated by Juliana that she shot Joe from eight or ten feet away as he laid on the floor. He was not up and moving, he was not killing Christine, as Christine as likely all ready stabbed by Brendan before Joe ever arrived at the house. Your story is just that a story and not the facts of the case. They are not the facts of what laid out in court, you are misleading people on the forum and you are very confused or your purposes are nefarious. It is clear however to most that hear the actual facts of this case that Brendan executed a plan plan to lure Joe Ryan in, to use him as a fall guy for the murder of his wife Christine, and than to kill Joe to secure an alibi. Juliana had a part, she is guilty also of murdering Joe, and aiding Branden in the murder of his own wife, and covering up. Let's all remember what Brendan's job was. He is law enforcement for the IRS and understood computer forensics and how to commit a murder. When the trial happens for Juliana I hope more comes out and that law enforcement finally have enough information to make the crime stick. I would not want to live in his neighborhood either. He is clearly a danger, but the prosecution must make it stick that he killed his wife and also framed Joe. This will take a boat load of evidence and ideally Juliana will figure out her lover used her also as a means to an end. I am confident that one day Christine and Joe will have justice for their murders.

Were you at the hearing, yes or no? If no, then why is your story more valid than someone who attended the hearing? There is a lot of message board speculation in your story and the fact remains that Brendan is not charged.

That being said, the person who posted on pg 142 could be making things up.

What is certain is that IF the post on pg 142 is an accurate your story where, Brendan masterminded all this, becomes harder to believe. Is it believable that:
-Brendan made a fake Christine account
-Brendan used either Christine's devices or untraceable messages to con Joe without Christine becoming aware
-Brendan convinced Joe to act out of character and introduce the idea knife play and bring a knife
-Brendan used a voice changing app to sound "sexy" and fool Joe into thinking he was Christine
-Brendan got Christine naked and ripped her pajamas
-Brendan's plan was to leave the house and have Joe arrive with Christine alive but unaware Joe was coming
-Brendan worked out the timing so precisely that au pair leaves, Joe arrives, Joe goes to the bedroom, au pair returns, calls Brendan who arrives after Joe is in the house but before Christine is aware Joe is in the house

That's an amazing story and it will be interesting to see how much of your theory holds true.

Yes I was at the hearing, and yes I know about the case. I also want to point out the original poster for whatever reason list things the prosecution said as if they are not facts and then lists what the defense has said as if they are facts of the case. They are not facts of the case they are things the poster said are facts. The police and prosecution have laid out what they believe was a murder plot to kill Christine and use Joe as the pawn. They have said this out right in court. That’s why part of the evidence presented were photos of the couple, Julianna and Brendan on the night stand in their now shared bedroom of the dead woman and wife Christine. This is very valid evidence and it was allowed in and considered by the court even when the defense attempted to toss it out. Who ever wrote this write up missed many things in the court that day, or intentionally are attempting to make information or facts very unclear. The only reason I can reason why they would mislead others is they want you to think a certain way, or they are not observement. The time line they can facts are not according to the police or the prosecutor. Joe did not own a knife, he bought one at the urging of who he thought he was speaking with. Was that really Christine, not likely, that is NOT what the police believe. Let me point out that the police have thought of Joseph Ryan other then a victim. From the very first press conference to now. That is why Julianna was charged, and that is why I believe Brendan will one day be arrested and charged with two murders. Read over what the poster said, it isn’t what was said in the earlier hearing at all, it is from a perspective they want you to believe based on a story Julianna or Brendan are saying. Yes the person from the IRS criminal investigation team knows how to create a murder plan, but he messed up in places thats why there are several phone calls to 911 and that Julianna didn’t do all the shooting alone that they both had to because one shot was not enough to kill joe their pawn. Brendan has a gun already, if he is shooting someone that just stabbed his wife would he ask the nanny to go into a safe to shoot him again while he is laying on the floor with a shot in his head? Don’t believe everything you read, details matter and motivation matters also. I am stating the story from the perspective of law enforcement that have no motivation other than the truth and the safety of community. If they didn’t care they wouldn’t have taken the time to fully investigate, nor would it be taking time to arrest the other half of the murder team.

First point of clarification, the poster at the top of the page referred to pg 142 of this thread when it was really on pg 144

If I understand you, you were at the hearing but didn't post the details of what was said at the hearing within the thread. If you did I'd be happy to review it.

The post of pg 144 provided new things to consider and certainly complicate things if true. In that accounting on pg 144 by a different poster make it seem that Joe and Christine talked on the phone prior to the murder, Joe introduced knife play, and that she was nude when he arrived with the scene staged as planned in message exchanges with Joe.

Are you saying that:
A. The defense did introduced these things in the hearing and you don't believe they are true
B. The poster on page 144 is lying and the defense did not introduce these things

I am saying B the defense did NOT introduce this at the hearing. The hearing is short, as in a few hours. I think it was three perhaps. I dont remember the exact amount. During the hearing the prosecution lays out just enough evidence and witnesses to get the case to move forward. The case is not a full case it's a fast process. Witnesses called on the prosecution's side. It's all about their burden of proof to proceed so none of this would have been during the pre trial hearing. Only details more or less of how the prosecution intended to try to present a case. I have no idea why the poster got that wrong with listing facts that were not facts or even speculation on the prosecutions part. I stated I dont know how they were so confused and misrepresented what actually happened in court, or if they intentionally were motivated to sway an audience online. I would prefer not to say they lied because it suggests I know their motives. I can't speak to that, I can only speak to the what the prosecution presented and what I recall from the defense. I have a good understanding of this case, I was at the hearing, and I am clear headed and have good observational skills.

Why did I not post sooner when I read the original post or why do I not post more often in this forum about the case? I fear I will slip up and give information that might be harmful to Joe and Christine getting justice. I however do not want to go down as to have not stood up publicly either and say some of what I know. It's a fine line and it creates great stress to be careful and closed mouthed while still supporting the victims and wanting the killers to pay for their crimes.

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Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

You got a few things wrong to say the least. The police believe that Christine's profile was not of her own creation or even knowledge. It was created by brendan. Another thing you got wrong is whom ever Joe was speaking with and it appears now it was brendan using a voice app to change his voice asked Joe to get a knife, and brought up blood play. That was NOT Joe at all. They then asked after he had it would he take a photo of it and send it. They were setting this entire thing up to make him take the fall. In court the prosecutor and the coroner did NOT over state Joe's condition and capacity after the first shot. Both shots were progressive death shots which means either or both killed him, this was explained in the hearing by the sworn coroner. It was always stated by Juliana that she shot Joe from eight or ten feet away as he laid on the floor. He was not up and moving, he was not killing Christine, as Christine as likely all ready stabbed by Brendan before Joe ever arrived at the house. Your story is just that a story and not the facts of the case. They are not the facts of what laid out in court, you are misleading people on the forum and you are very confused or your purposes are nefarious. It is clear however to most that hear the actual facts of this case that Brendan executed a plan plan to lure Joe Ryan in, to use him as a fall guy for the murder of his wife Christine, and than to kill Joe to secure an alibi. Juliana had a part, she is guilty also of murdering Joe, and aiding Branden in the murder of his own wife, and covering up. Let's all remember what Brendan's job was. He is law enforcement for the IRS and understood computer forensics and how to commit a murder. When the trial happens for Juliana I hope more comes out and that law enforcement finally have enough information to make the crime stick. I would not want to live in his neighborhood either. He is clearly a danger, but the prosecution must make it stick that he killed his wife and also framed Joe. This will take a boat load of evidence and ideally Juliana will figure out her lover used her also as a means to an end. I am confident that one day Christine and Joe will have justice for their murders.

Were you at the hearing, yes or no? If no, then why is your story more valid than someone who attended the hearing? There is a lot of message board speculation in your story and the fact remains that Brendan is not charged.

That being said, the person who posted on pg 142 could be making things up.

What is certain is that IF the post on pg 142 is an accurate your story where, Brendan masterminded all this, becomes harder to believe. Is it believable that:
-Brendan made a fake Christine account
-Brendan used either Christine's devices or untraceable messages to con Joe without Christine becoming aware
-Brendan convinced Joe to act out of character and introduce the idea knife play and bring a knife
-Brendan used a voice changing app to sound "sexy" and fool Joe into thinking he was Christine
-Brendan got Christine naked and ripped her pajamas
-Brendan's plan was to leave the house and have Joe arrive with Christine alive but unaware Joe was coming
-Brendan worked out the timing so precisely that au pair leaves, Joe arrives, Joe goes to the bedroom, au pair returns, calls Brendan who arrives after Joe is in the house but before Christine is aware Joe is in the house

That's an amazing story and it will be interesting to see how much of your theory holds true.

Yes I was at the hearing, and yes I know about the case. I also want to point out the original poster for whatever reason list things the prosecution said as if they are not facts and then lists what the defense has said as if they are facts of the case. They are not facts of the case they are things the poster said are facts. The police and prosecution have laid out what they believe was a murder plot to kill Christine and use Joe as the pawn. They have said this out right in court. That’s why part of the evidence presented were photos of the couple, Julianna and Brendan on the night stand in their now shared bedroom of the dead woman and wife Christine. This is very valid evidence and it was allowed in and considered by the court even when the defense attempted to toss it out. Who ever wrote this write up missed many things in the court that day, or intentionally are attempting to make information or facts very unclear. The only reason I can reason why they would mislead others is they want you to think a certain way, or they are not observement. The time line they can facts are not according to the police or the prosecutor. Joe did not own a knife, he bought one at the urging of who he thought he was speaking with. Was that really Christine, not likely, that is NOT what the police believe. Let me point out that the police have thought of Joseph Ryan other then a victim. From the very first press conference to now. That is why Julianna was charged, and that is why I believe Brendan will one day be arrested and charged with two murders. Read over what the poster said, it isn’t what was said in the earlier hearing at all, it is from a perspective they want you to believe based on a story Julianna or Brendan are saying. Yes the person from the IRS criminal investigation team knows how to create a murder plan, but he messed up in places thats why there are several phone calls to 911 and that Julianna didn’t do all the shooting alone that they both had to because one shot was not enough to kill joe their pawn. Brendan has a gun already, if he is shooting someone that just stabbed his wife would he ask the nanny to go into a safe to shoot him again while he is laying on the floor with a shot in his head? Don’t believe everything you read, details matter and motivation matters also. I am stating the story from the perspective of law enforcement that have no motivation other than the truth and the safety of community. If they didn’t care they wouldn’t have taken the time to fully investigate, nor would it be taking time to arrest the other half of the murder team.

First point of clarification, the poster at the top of the page referred to pg 142 of this thread when it was really on pg 144

If I understand you, you were at the hearing but didn't post the details of what was said at the hearing within the thread. If you did I'd be happy to review it.

The post of pg 144 provided new things to consider and certainly complicate things if true. In that accounting on pg 144 by a different poster make it seem that Joe and Christine talked on the phone prior to the murder, Joe introduced knife play, and that she was nude when he arrived with the scene staged as planned in message exchanges with Joe.

Are you saying that:
A. The defense did introduced these things in the hearing and you don't believe they are true
B. The poster on page 144 is lying and the defense did not introduce these things

I am saying B the defense did NOT introduce this at the hearing. The hearing is short, as in a few hours. I think it was three perhaps. I dont remember the exact amount. During the hearing the prosecution lays out just enough evidence and witnesses to get the case to move forward. The case is not a full case it's a fast process. Witnesses called on the prosecution's side. It's all about their burden of proof to proceed so none of this would have been during the pre trial hearing. Only details more or less of how the prosecution intended to try to present a case. I have no idea why the poster got that wrong with listing facts that were not facts or even speculation on the prosecutions part. I stated I dont know how they were so confused and misrepresented what actually happened in court, or if they intentionally were motivated to sway an audience online. I would prefer not to say they lied because it suggests I know their motives. I can't speak to that, I can only speak to the what the prosecution presented and what I recall from the defense. I have a good understanding of this case, I was at the hearing, and I am clear headed and have good observational skills.

Why did I not post sooner when I read the original post or why do I not post more often in this forum about the case? I fear I will slip up and give information that might be harmful to Joe and Christine getting justice. I however do not want to go down as to have not stood up publicly either and say some of what I know. It's a fine line and it creates great stress to be careful and closed mouthed while still supporting the victims and wanting the killers to pay for their crimes.

Interesting that the other poster would be so specific. I'm disappointed if they made up those facts to confuse things.

I believe there have been multiple hearings (maybe 3?). How many have you attended and which one are you speaking of?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

You got a few things wrong to say the least. The police believe that Christine's profile was not of her own creation or even knowledge. It was created by brendan. Another thing you got wrong is whom ever Joe was speaking with and it appears now it was brendan using a voice app to change his voice asked Joe to get a knife, and brought up blood play. That was NOT Joe at all. They then asked after he had it would he take a photo of it and send it. They were setting this entire thing up to make him take the fall. In court the prosecutor and the coroner did NOT over state Joe's condition and capacity after the first shot. Both shots were progressive death shots which means either or both killed him, this was explained in the hearing by the sworn coroner. It was always stated by Juliana that she shot Joe from eight or ten feet away as he laid on the floor. He was not up and moving, he was not killing Christine, as Christine as likely all ready stabbed by Brendan before Joe ever arrived at the house. Your story is just that a story and not the facts of the case. They are not the facts of what laid out in court, you are misleading people on the forum and you are very confused or your purposes are nefarious. It is clear however to most that hear the actual facts of this case that Brendan executed a plan plan to lure Joe Ryan in, to use him as a fall guy for the murder of his wife Christine, and than to kill Joe to secure an alibi. Juliana had a part, she is guilty also of murdering Joe, and aiding Branden in the murder of his own wife, and covering up. Let's all remember what Brendan's job was. He is law enforcement for the IRS and understood computer forensics and how to commit a murder. When the trial happens for Juliana I hope more comes out and that law enforcement finally have enough information to make the crime stick. I would not want to live in his neighborhood either. He is clearly a danger, but the prosecution must make it stick that he killed his wife and also framed Joe. This will take a boat load of evidence and ideally Juliana will figure out her lover used her also as a means to an end. I am confident that one day Christine and Joe will have justice for their murders.

Were you at the hearing, yes or no? If no, then why is your story more valid than someone who attended the hearing? There is a lot of message board speculation in your story and the fact remains that Brendan is not charged.

That being said, the person who posted on pg 142 could be making things up.

What is certain is that IF the post on pg 142 is an accurate your story where, Brendan masterminded all this, becomes harder to believe. Is it believable that:
-Brendan made a fake Christine account
-Brendan used either Christine's devices or untraceable messages to con Joe without Christine becoming aware
-Brendan convinced Joe to act out of character and introduce the idea knife play and bring a knife
-Brendan used a voice changing app to sound "sexy" and fool Joe into thinking he was Christine
-Brendan got Christine naked and ripped her pajamas
-Brendan's plan was to leave the house and have Joe arrive with Christine alive but unaware Joe was coming
-Brendan worked out the timing so precisely that au pair leaves, Joe arrives, Joe goes to the bedroom, au pair returns, calls Brendan who arrives after Joe is in the house but before Christine is aware Joe is in the house

That's an amazing story and it will be interesting to see how much of your theory holds true.

Yes I was at the hearing, and yes I know about the case. I also want to point out the original poster for whatever reason list things the prosecution said as if they are not facts and then lists what the defense has said as if they are facts of the case. They are not facts of the case they are things the poster said are facts. The police and prosecution have laid out what they believe was a murder plot to kill Christine and use Joe as the pawn. They have said this out right in court. That’s why part of the evidence presented were photos of the couple, Julianna and Brendan on the night stand in their now shared bedroom of the dead woman and wife Christine. This is very valid evidence and it was allowed in and considered by the court even when the defense attempted to toss it out. Who ever wrote this write up missed many things in the court that day, or intentionally are attempting to make information or facts very unclear. The only reason I can reason why they would mislead others is they want you to think a certain way, or they are not observement. The time line they can facts are not according to the police or the prosecutor. Joe did not own a knife, he bought one at the urging of who he thought he was speaking with. Was that really Christine, not likely, that is NOT what the police believe. Let me point out that the police have thought of Joseph Ryan other then a victim. From the very first press conference to now. That is why Julianna was charged, and that is why I believe Brendan will one day be arrested and charged with two murders. Read over what the poster said, it isn’t what was said in the earlier hearing at all, it is from a perspective they want you to believe based on a story Julianna or Brendan are saying. Yes the person from the IRS criminal investigation team knows how to create a murder plan, but he messed up in places thats why there are several phone calls to 911 and that Julianna didn’t do all the shooting alone that they both had to because one shot was not enough to kill joe their pawn. Brendan has a gun already, if he is shooting someone that just stabbed his wife would he ask the nanny to go into a safe to shoot him again while he is laying on the floor with a shot in his head? Don’t believe everything you read, details matter and motivation matters also. I am stating the story from the perspective of law enforcement that have no motivation other than the truth and the safety of community. If they didn’t care they wouldn’t have taken the time to fully investigate, nor would it be taking time to arrest the other half of the murder team.

First point of clarification, the poster at the top of the page referred to pg 142 of this thread when it was really on pg 144

If I understand you, you were at the hearing but didn't post the details of what was said at the hearing within the thread. If you did I'd be happy to review it.

The post of pg 144 provided new things to consider and certainly complicate things if true. In that accounting on pg 144 by a different poster make it seem that Joe and Christine talked on the phone prior to the murder, Joe introduced knife play, and that she was nude when he arrived with the scene staged as planned in message exchanges with Joe.

Are you saying that:
A. The defense did introduced these things in the hearing and you don't believe they are true
B. The poster on page 144 is lying and the defense did not introduce these things

It was brought up by prosecution that it was believed that Joe had been communicating with whom he thought was Christine. What was presented by defense is an accurate picture of the murder scene as told by the paramedics, and the police. The state of undress or dress of both parties were in evidence given, as was their injuries. The prosecution did not ever say that Joe arrived to find Christine naked, or who initiated or made the phone calls or texts, because they dont believe it was actually Christine and Joe speaking to each other. They did NOT ever lay out the exact scene when Joe walked in, as that isn't something they need to prove or say in a pretrial hearing. It did NOT happen in the hearing and the person who posted the information on the pretrial hearing intentionally misinformed or unintentionally did so. We don't know if Joe introduced the idea of blood play or a knife, or if the person Joe was communicating with brought it up. I can not reveal more than what was in the pretrial hearing because it wouldn't be a good idea for the case going forward. I will say however anyone relying on the details and opinions in that post should know that another person who went to the case says it isn't what happened, and if you read how it is laid out it has the supposed facts coming from the defense witness, which makes it totally biased and not a fact at all. Read it again for yourself and see the giant holes in their perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

You got a few things wrong to say the least. The police believe that Christine's profile was not of her own creation or even knowledge. It was created by brendan. Another thing you got wrong is whom ever Joe was speaking with and it appears now it was brendan using a voice app to change his voice asked Joe to get a knife, and brought up blood play. That was NOT Joe at all. They then asked after he had it would he take a photo of it and send it. They were setting this entire thing up to make him take the fall. In court the prosecutor and the coroner did NOT over state Joe's condition and capacity after the first shot. Both shots were progressive death shots which means either or both killed him, this was explained in the hearing by the sworn coroner. It was always stated by Juliana that she shot Joe from eight or ten feet away as he laid on the floor. He was not up and moving, he was not killing Christine, as Christine as likely all ready stabbed by Brendan before Joe ever arrived at the house. Your story is just that a story and not the facts of the case. They are not the facts of what laid out in court, you are misleading people on the forum and you are very confused or your purposes are nefarious. It is clear however to most that hear the actual facts of this case that Brendan executed a plan plan to lure Joe Ryan in, to use him as a fall guy for the murder of his wife Christine, and than to kill Joe to secure an alibi. Juliana had a part, she is guilty also of murdering Joe, and aiding Branden in the murder of his own wife, and covering up. Let's all remember what Brendan's job was. He is law enforcement for the IRS and understood computer forensics and how to commit a murder. When the trial happens for Juliana I hope more comes out and that law enforcement finally have enough information to make the crime stick. I would not want to live in his neighborhood either. He is clearly a danger, but the prosecution must make it stick that he killed his wife and also framed Joe. This will take a boat load of evidence and ideally Juliana will figure out her lover used her also as a means to an end. I am confident that one day Christine and Joe will have justice for their murders.

Were you at the hearing, yes or no? If no, then why is your story more valid than someone who attended the hearing? There is a lot of message board speculation in your story and the fact remains that Brendan is not charged.

That being said, the person who posted on pg 142 could be making things up.

What is certain is that IF the post on pg 142 is an accurate your story where, Brendan masterminded all this, becomes harder to believe. Is it believable that:
-Brendan made a fake Christine account
-Brendan used either Christine's devices or untraceable messages to con Joe without Christine becoming aware
-Brendan convinced Joe to act out of character and introduce the idea knife play and bring a knife
-Brendan used a voice changing app to sound "sexy" and fool Joe into thinking he was Christine
-Brendan got Christine naked and ripped her pajamas
-Brendan's plan was to leave the house and have Joe arrive with Christine alive but unaware Joe was coming
-Brendan worked out the timing so precisely that au pair leaves, Joe arrives, Joe goes to the bedroom, au pair returns, calls Brendan who arrives after Joe is in the house but before Christine is aware Joe is in the house

That's an amazing story and it will be interesting to see how much of your theory holds true.

Yes I was at the hearing, and yes I know about the case. I also want to point out the original poster for whatever reason list things the prosecution said as if they are not facts and then lists what the defense has said as if they are facts of the case. They are not facts of the case they are things the poster said are facts. The police and prosecution have laid out what they believe was a murder plot to kill Christine and use Joe as the pawn. They have said this out right in court. That’s why part of the evidence presented were photos of the couple, Julianna and Brendan on the night stand in their now shared bedroom of the dead woman and wife Christine. This is very valid evidence and it was allowed in and considered by the court even when the defense attempted to toss it out. Who ever wrote this write up missed many things in the court that day, or intentionally are attempting to make information or facts very unclear. The only reason I can reason why they would mislead others is they want you to think a certain way, or they are not observement. The time line they can facts are not according to the police or the prosecutor. Joe did not own a knife, he bought one at the urging of who he thought he was speaking with. Was that really Christine, not likely, that is NOT what the police believe. Let me point out that the police have thought of Joseph Ryan other then a victim. From the very first press conference to now. That is why Julianna was charged, and that is why I believe Brendan will one day be arrested and charged with two murders. Read over what the poster said, it isn’t what was said in the earlier hearing at all, it is from a perspective they want you to believe based on a story Julianna or Brendan are saying. Yes the person from the IRS criminal investigation team knows how to create a murder plan, but he messed up in places thats why there are several phone calls to 911 and that Julianna didn’t do all the shooting alone that they both had to because one shot was not enough to kill joe their pawn. Brendan has a gun already, if he is shooting someone that just stabbed his wife would he ask the nanny to go into a safe to shoot him again while he is laying on the floor with a shot in his head? Don’t believe everything you read, details matter and motivation matters also. I am stating the story from the perspective of law enforcement that have no motivation other than the truth and the safety of community. If they didn’t care they wouldn’t have taken the time to fully investigate, nor would it be taking time to arrest the other half of the murder team.

First point of clarification, the poster at the top of the page referred to pg 142 of this thread when it was really on pg 144

If I understand you, you were at the hearing but didn't post the details of what was said at the hearing within the thread. If you did I'd be happy to review it.

The post of pg 144 provided new things to consider and certainly complicate things if true. In that accounting on pg 144 by a different poster make it seem that Joe and Christine talked on the phone prior to the murder, Joe introduced knife play, and that she was nude when he arrived with the scene staged as planned in message exchanges with Joe.

Are you saying that:
A. The defense did introduced these things in the hearing and you don't believe they are true
B. The poster on page 144 is lying and the defense did not introduce these things

I am saying B the defense did NOT introduce this at the hearing. The hearing is short, as in a few hours. I think it was three perhaps. I dont remember the exact amount. During the hearing the prosecution lays out just enough evidence and witnesses to get the case to move forward. The case is not a full case it's a fast process. Witnesses called on the prosecution's side. It's all about their burden of proof to proceed so none of this would have been during the pre trial hearing. Only details more or less of how the prosecution intended to try to present a case. I have no idea why the poster got that wrong with listing facts that were not facts or even speculation on the prosecutions part. I stated I dont know how they were so confused and misrepresented what actually happened in court, or if they intentionally were motivated to sway an audience online. I would prefer not to say they lied because it suggests I know their motives. I can't speak to that, I can only speak to the what the prosecution presented and what I recall from the defense. I have a good understanding of this case, I was at the hearing, and I am clear headed and have good observational skills.

Why did I not post sooner when I read the original post or why do I not post more often in this forum about the case? I fear I will slip up and give information that might be harmful to Joe and Christine getting justice. I however do not want to go down as to have not stood up publicly either and say some of what I know. It's a fine line and it creates great stress to be careful and closed mouthed while still supporting the victims and wanting the killers to pay for their crimes.

Interesting that the other poster would be so specific. I'm disappointed if they made up those facts to confuse things.

I believe there have been multiple hearings (maybe 3?). How many have you attended and which one are you speaking of?

I went only to the evidentiary hearing where the prosecution lays out its case, and gives enough evidence to go forward. It is not a trial scenario at all. It is put in place to insure cases without enough evidence do not waste the courts time or unfairly burden the accused. The other hearing was closed to the public, I was told how it went. The other hearing related to her not being granted bail because she was a flight risk with her visa, and also because of the nature of the crime and charge, 2nd degree murder doesnt usually get to go home. I think there were four hearings but only the one hearing was really related to the actual crime and open to the public.

I did wonder and still do the motivation of the other poster why they stated things the way they had. I dont know, a lack of critical thinking, or as I said nefarious reasons? It was well written so this leads me to believe that it was nefarious, and they have actual reasons to mislead people about what occurred in court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BB is no longer employed with the IRS as of 9/4/24.

public record?

[Anonymous]

Probably not

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BB is no longer employed with the IRS as of 9/4/24.

Resignation or dismissal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

You got a few things wrong to say the least. The police believe that Christine's profile was not of her own creation or even knowledge. It was created by brendan. Another thing you got wrong is whom ever Joe was speaking with and it appears now it was brendan using a voice app to change his voice asked Joe to get a knife, and brought up blood play. That was NOT Joe at all. They then asked after he had it would he take a photo of it and send it. They were setting this entire thing up to make him take the fall. In court the prosecutor and the coroner did NOT over state Joe's condition and capacity after the first shot. Both shots were progressive death shots which means either or both killed him, this was explained in the hearing by the sworn coroner. It was always stated by Juliana that she shot Joe from eight or ten feet away as he laid on the floor. He was not up and moving, he was not killing Christine, as Christine as likely all ready stabbed by Brendan before Joe ever arrived at the house. Your story is just that a story and not the facts of the case. They are not the facts of what laid out in court, you are misleading people on the forum and you are very confused or your purposes are nefarious. It is clear however to most that hear the actual facts of this case that Brendan executed a plan plan to lure Joe Ryan in, to use him as a fall guy for the murder of his wife Christine, and than to kill Joe to secure an alibi. Juliana had a part, she is guilty also of murdering Joe, and aiding Branden in the murder of his own wife, and covering up. Let's all remember what Brendan's job was. He is law enforcement for the IRS and understood computer forensics and how to commit a murder. When the trial happens for Juliana I hope more comes out and that law enforcement finally have enough information to make the crime stick. I would not want to live in his neighborhood either. He is clearly a danger, but the prosecution must make it stick that he killed his wife and also framed Joe. This will take a boat load of evidence and ideally Juliana will figure out her lover used her also as a means to an end. I am confident that one day Christine and Joe will have justice for their murders.

Sweetheart, facts are facts. That's what came out of the bond hearing. You are making thing sup.

[Anonymous]

I am not your sweetheart. I clearly I am telling the truth as backed by the reality that there was enough evidence to move the case forward to trial and for the prosecutor to publicly state Joe was a victim and not a perpetrator of a crime. As brendan took the fifth over and over again in court, and the defense protested and suggested the prosecutor was also trying to publicly point out that brendan was also considered a suspect in the crime the Judge said in effect well that may well be and it seems they are trying to do this but I see it as being totally allowed and fair game.

I am not the original poster who said tick tock tick tock... but let me now use the phrase tick tock tick tock.

Facts are proven, and the story the previous poster was not the facts or even the false story anyone told in court that day, it was not a trial hearing, it was only an evidentiary hearing so that the trial would proceed. The trial is proceeding, and fingers crossed the next arrest will be pending. There is a reason no news paper, no online articles, no tv spots reported this false story as if it was fact and presented in a court of law, because it's fiction created by someone that wants you the public to believe it. It is a bold lie, don't be manipulated by the poster or the lies the guilty parties, or their families may or will tell. The truth remains to be proven in court, and the prosecution and law enforcement have been clear always since the start of the beginning where the evidence points, and what they believe happened. The case is still very much open, it is open because as stated they see Joe Ryan as the victim of the crime of murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

You got a few things wrong to say the least. The police believe that Christine's profile was not of her own creation or even knowledge. It was created by brendan. Another thing you got wrong is whom ever Joe was speaking with and it appears now it was brendan using a voice app to change his voice asked Joe to get a knife, and brought up blood play. That was NOT Joe at all. They then asked after he had it would he take a photo of it and send it. They were setting this entire thing up to make him take the fall. In court the prosecutor and the coroner did NOT over state Joe's condition and capacity after the first shot. Both shots were progressive death shots which means either or both killed him, this was explained in the hearing by the sworn coroner. It was always stated by Juliana that she shot Joe from eight or ten feet away as he laid on the floor. He was not up and moving, he was not killing Christine, as Christine as likely all ready stabbed by Brendan before Joe ever arrived at the house. Your story is just that a story and not the facts of the case. They are not the facts of what laid out in court, you are misleading people on the forum and you are very confused or your purposes are nefarious. It is clear however to most that hear the actual facts of this case that Brendan executed a plan plan to lure Joe Ryan in, to use him as a fall guy for the murder of his wife Christine, and than to kill Joe to secure an alibi. Juliana had a part, she is guilty also of murdering Joe, and aiding Branden in the murder of his own wife, and covering up. Let's all remember what Brendan's job was. He is law enforcement for the IRS and understood computer forensics and how to commit a murder. When the trial happens for Juliana I hope more comes out and that law enforcement finally have enough information to make the crime stick. I would not want to live in his neighborhood either. He is clearly a danger, but the prosecution must make it stick that he killed his wife and also framed Joe. This will take a boat load of evidence and ideally Juliana will figure out her lover used her also as a means to an end. I am confident that one day Christine and Joe will have justice for their murders.

Sweetheart, facts are facts. That's what came out of the bond hearing. You are making thing sup.

look its Brendan's mom again!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[mastodon]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

You got a few things wrong to say the least. The police believe that Christine's profile was not of her own creation or even knowledge. It was created by brendan. Another thing you got wrong is whom ever Joe was speaking with and it appears now it was brendan using a voice app to change his voice asked Joe to get a knife, and brought up blood play. That was NOT Joe at all. They then asked after he had it would he take a photo of it and send it. They were setting this entire thing up to make him take the fall. In court the prosecutor and the coroner did NOT over state Joe's condition and capacity after the first shot. Both shots were progressive death shots which means either or both killed him, this was explained in the hearing by the sworn coroner. It was always stated by Juliana that she shot Joe from eight or ten feet away as he laid on the floor. He was not up and moving, he was not killing Christine, as Christine as likely all ready stabbed by Brendan before Joe ever arrived at the house. Your story is just that a story and not the facts of the case. They are not the facts of what laid out in court, you are misleading people on the forum and you are very confused or your purposes are nefarious. It is clear however to most that hear the actual facts of this case that Brendan executed a plan plan to lure Joe Ryan in, to use him as a fall guy for the murder of his wife Christine, and than to kill Joe to secure an alibi. Juliana had a part, she is guilty also of murdering Joe, and aiding Branden in the murder of his own wife, and covering up. Let's all remember what Brendan's job was. He is law enforcement for the IRS and understood computer forensics and how to commit a murder. When the trial happens for Juliana I hope more comes out and that law enforcement finally have enough information to make the crime stick. I would not want to live in his neighborhood either. He is clearly a danger, but the prosecution must make it stick that he killed his wife and also framed Joe. This will take a boat load of evidence and ideally Juliana will figure out her lover used her also as a means to an end. I am confident that one day Christine and Joe will have justice for their murders.

Were you at the hearing, yes or no? If no, then why is your story more valid than someone who attended the hearing? There is a lot of message board speculation in your story and the fact remains that Brendan is not charged.

That being said, the person who posted on pg 142 could be making things up.

What is certain is that IF the post on pg 142 is an accurate your story where, Brendan masterminded all this, becomes harder to believe. Is it believable that:
-Brendan made a fake Christine account
-Brendan used either Christine's devices or untraceable messages to con Joe without Christine becoming aware
-Brendan convinced Joe to act out of character and introduce the idea knife play and bring a knife
-Brendan used a voice changing app to sound "sexy" and fool Joe into thinking he was Christine
-Brendan got Christine naked and ripped her pajamas
-Brendan's plan was to leave the house and have Joe arrive with Christine alive but unaware Joe was coming
-Brendan worked out the timing so precisely that au pair leaves, Joe arrives, Joe goes to the bedroom, au pair returns, calls Brendan who arrives after Joe is in the house but before Christine is aware Joe is in the house

That's an amazing story and it will be interesting to see how much of your theory holds true.

Yes I was at the hearing, and yes I know about the case. I also want to point out the original poster for whatever reason list things the prosecution said as if they are not facts and then lists what the defense has said as if they are facts of the case. They are not facts of the case they are things the poster said are facts. The police and prosecution have laid out what they believe was a murder plot to kill Christine and use Joe as the pawn. They have said this out right in court. That’s why part of the evidence presented were photos of the couple, Julianna and Brendan on the night stand in their now shared bedroom of the dead woman and wife Christine. This is very valid evidence and it was allowed in and considered by the court even when the defense attempted to toss it out. Who ever wrote this write up missed many things in the court that day, or intentionally are attempting to make information or facts very unclear. The only reason I can reason why they would mislead others is they want you to think a certain way, or they are not observement. The time line they can facts are not according to the police or the prosecutor. Joe did not own a knife, he bought one at the urging of who he thought he was speaking with. Was that really Christine, not likely, that is NOT what the police believe. Let me point out that the police have thought of Joseph Ryan other then a victim. From the very first press conference to now. That is why Julianna was charged, and that is why I believe Brendan will one day be arrested and charged with two murders. Read over what the poster said, it isn’t what was said in the earlier hearing at all, it is from a perspective they want you to believe based on a story Julianna or Brendan are saying. Yes the person from the IRS criminal investigation team knows how to create a murder plan, but he messed up in places thats why there are several phone calls to 911 and that Julianna didn’t do all the shooting alone that they both had to because one shot was not enough to kill joe their pawn. Brendan has a gun already, if he is shooting someone that just stabbed his wife would he ask the nanny to go into a safe to shoot him again while he is laying on the floor with a shot in his head? Don’t believe everything you read, details matter and motivation matters also. I am stating the story from the perspective of law enforcement that have no motivation other than the truth and the safety of community. If they didn’t care they wouldn’t have taken the time to fully investigate, nor would it be taking time to arrest the other half of the murder team.

First point of clarification, the poster at the top of the page referred to pg 142 of this thread when it was really on pg 144

If I understand you, you were at the hearing but didn't post the details of what was said at the hearing within the thread. If you did I'd be happy to review it.

The post of pg 144 provided new things to consider and certainly complicate things if true. In that accounting on pg 144 by a different poster make it seem that Joe and Christine talked on the phone prior to the murder, Joe introduced knife play, and that she was nude when he arrived with the scene staged as planned in message exchanges with Joe.

Are you saying that:
A. The defense did introduced these things in the hearing and you don't believe they are true
B. The poster on page 144 is lying and the defense did not introduce these things

I am saying B the defense did NOT introduce this at the hearing. The hearing is short, as in a few hours. I think it was three perhaps. I dont remember the exact amount. During the hearing the prosecution lays out just enough evidence and witnesses to get the case to move forward. The case is not a full case it's a fast process. Witnesses called on the prosecution's side. It's all about their burden of proof to proceed so none of this would have been during the pre trial hearing. Only details more or less of how the prosecution intended to try to present a case. I have no idea why the poster got that wrong with listing facts that were not facts or even speculation on the prosecutions part. I stated I dont know how they were so confused and misrepresented what actually happened in court, or if they intentionally were motivated to sway an audience online. I would prefer not to say they lied because it suggests I know their motives. I can't speak to that, I can only speak to the what the prosecution presented and what I recall from the defense. I have a good understanding of this case, I was at the hearing, and I am clear headed and have good observational skills.

Why did I not post sooner when I read the original post or why do I not post more often in this forum about the case? I fear I will slip up and give information that might be harmful to Joe and Christine getting justice. I however do not want to go down as to have not stood up publicly either and say some of what I know. It's a fine line and it creates great stress to be careful and closed mouthed while still supporting the victims and wanting the killers to pay for their crimes.

Interesting that the other poster would be so specific. I'm disappointed if they made up those facts to confuse things.

I believe there have been multiple hearings (maybe 3?). How many have you attended and which one are you speaking of?

The 142/144 post was a summary from the BOND hearing which was closed to the public on April 2.

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Anonymous wrote:BB is no longer employed with the IRS as of 9/4/24.

Resignation or dismissal?

Well he sure as hell ain't resigning with that administrative leave free vacation.

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Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

You got a few things wrong to say the least. The police believe that Christine's profile was not of her own creation or even knowledge. It was created by brendan. Another thing you got wrong is whom ever Joe was speaking with and it appears now it was brendan using a voice app to change his voice asked Joe to get a knife, and brought up blood play. That was NOT Joe at all. They then asked after he had it would he take a photo of it and send it. They were setting this entire thing up to make him take the fall. In court the prosecutor and the coroner did NOT over state Joe's condition and capacity after the first shot. Both shots were progressive death shots which means either or both killed him, this was explained in the hearing by the sworn coroner. It was always stated by Juliana that she shot Joe from eight or ten feet away as he laid on the floor. He was not up and moving, he was not killing Christine, as Christine as likely all ready stabbed by Brendan before Joe ever arrived at the house. Your story is just that a story and not the facts of the case. They are not the facts of what laid out in court, you are misleading people on the forum and you are very confused or your purposes are nefarious. It is clear however to most that hear the actual facts of this case that Brendan executed a plan plan to lure Joe Ryan in, to use him as a fall guy for the murder of his wife Christine, and than to kill Joe to secure an alibi. Juliana had a part, she is guilty also of murdering Joe, and aiding Branden in the murder of his own wife, and covering up. Let's all remember what Brendan's job was. He is law enforcement for the IRS and understood computer forensics and how to commit a murder. When the trial happens for Juliana I hope more comes out and that law enforcement finally have enough information to make the crime stick. I would not want to live in his neighborhood either. He is clearly a danger, but the prosecution must make it stick that he killed his wife and also framed Joe. This will take a boat load of evidence and ideally Juliana will figure out her lover used her also as a means to an end. I am confident that one day Christine and Joe will have justice for their murders.

Were you at the hearing, yes or no? If no, then why is your story more valid than someone who attended the hearing? There is a lot of message board speculation in your story and the fact remains that Brendan is not charged.

That being said, the person who posted on pg 142 could be making things up.

What is certain is that IF the post on pg 142 is an accurate your story where, Brendan masterminded all this, becomes harder to believe. Is it believable that:
-Brendan made a fake Christine account
-Brendan used either Christine's devices or untraceable messages to con Joe without Christine becoming aware
-Brendan convinced Joe to act out of character and introduce the idea knife play and bring a knife
-Brendan used a voice changing app to sound "sexy" and fool Joe into thinking he was Christine
-Brendan got Christine naked and ripped her pajamas
-Brendan's plan was to leave the house and have Joe arrive with Christine alive but unaware Joe was coming
-Brendan worked out the timing so precisely that au pair leaves, Joe arrives, Joe goes to the bedroom, au pair returns, calls Brendan who arrives after Joe is in the house but before Christine is aware Joe is in the house

That's an amazing story and it will be interesting to see how much of your theory holds true.

Yes I was at the hearing, and yes I know about the case. I also want to point out the original poster for whatever reason list things the prosecution said as if they are not facts and then lists what the defense has said as if they are facts of the case. They are not facts of the case they are things the poster said are facts. The police and prosecution have laid out what they believe was a murder plot to kill Christine and use Joe as the pawn. They have said this out right in court. That’s why part of the evidence presented were photos of the couple, Julianna and Brendan on the night stand in their now shared bedroom of the dead woman and wife Christine. This is very valid evidence and it was allowed in and considered by the court even when the defense attempted to toss it out. Who ever wrote this write up missed many things in the court that day, or intentionally are attempting to make information or facts very unclear. The only reason I can reason why they would mislead others is they want you to think a certain way, or they are not observement. The time line they can facts are not according to the police or the prosecutor. Joe did not own a knife, he bought one at the urging of who he thought he was speaking with. Was that really Christine, not likely, that is NOT what the police believe. Let me point out that the police have thought of Joseph Ryan other then a victim. From the very first press conference to now. That is why Julianna was charged, and that is why I believe Brendan will one day be arrested and charged with two murders. Read over what the poster said, it isn’t what was said in the earlier hearing at all, it is from a perspective they want you to believe based on a story Julianna or Brendan are saying. Yes the person from the IRS criminal investigation team knows how to create a murder plan, but he messed up in places thats why there are several phone calls to 911 and that Julianna didn’t do all the shooting alone that they both had to because one shot was not enough to kill joe their pawn. Brendan has a gun already, if he is shooting someone that just stabbed his wife would he ask the nanny to go into a safe to shoot him again while he is laying on the floor with a shot in his head? Don’t believe everything you read, details matter and motivation matters also. I am stating the story from the perspective of law enforcement that have no motivation other than the truth and the safety of community. If they didn’t care they wouldn’t have taken the time to fully investigate, nor would it be taking time to arrest the other half of the murder team.

First point of clarification, the poster at the top of the page referred to pg 142 of this thread when it was really on pg 144

If I understand you, you were at the hearing but didn't post the details of what was said at the hearing within the thread. If you did I'd be happy to review it.

The post of pg 144 provided new things to consider and certainly complicate things if true. In that accounting on pg 144 by a different poster make it seem that Joe and Christine talked on the phone prior to the murder, Joe introduced knife play, and that she was nude when he arrived with the scene staged as planned in message exchanges with Joe.

Are you saying that:
A. The defense did introduced these things in the hearing and you don't believe they are true
B. The poster on page 144 is lying and the defense did not introduce these things

I am saying B the defense did NOT introduce this at the hearing. The hearing is short, as in a few hours. I think it was three perhaps. I dont remember the exact amount. During the hearing the prosecution lays out just enough evidence and witnesses to get the case to move forward. The case is not a full case it's a fast process. Witnesses called on the prosecution's side. It's all about their burden of proof to proceed so none of this would have been during the pre trial hearing. Only details more or less of how the prosecution intended to try to present a case. I have no idea why the poster got that wrong with listing facts that were not facts or even speculation on the prosecutions part. I stated I dont know how they were so confused and misrepresented what actually happened in court, or if they intentionally were motivated to sway an audience online. I would prefer not to say they lied because it suggests I know their motives. I can't speak to that, I can only speak to the what the prosecution presented and what I recall from the defense. I have a good understanding of this case, I was at the hearing, and I am clear headed and have good observational skills.

Why did I not post sooner when I read the original post or why do I not post more often in this forum about the case? I fear I will slip up and give information that might be harmful to Joe and Christine getting justice. I however do not want to go down as to have not stood up publicly either and say some of what I know. It's a fine line and it creates great stress to be careful and closed mouthed while still supporting the victims and wanting the killers to pay for their crimes.

Interesting that the other poster would be so specific. I'm disappointed if they made up those facts to confuse things.

I believe there have been multiple hearings (maybe 3?). How many have you attended and which one are you speaking of?

The 142/144 post was a summary from the BOND hearing which was closed to the public on April 2.

it seems like both of these posters are talking about a different court date and hearing. I assume thats why there was a different take on what happened. In that case during the bond hearing which was closed to the public the original poster wasn't present either unless they are part of the defense team. So it's still completely from the defense stand point where they talk about whatever details they claimed are facts but are really just one sided. The other poster said he or she went to the prosecution's evidentiary hearing where the prosecution presents only the facts needed to bring the case to an actual jury hearing, and in that type of hearing the defense legally can only object but can not give testimony at all as here is ZERO cross questioning allowed. It's important when viewing this case being aware of what "real facts" are proven scientific verified evidence, and what credible witness testimony tells us should be what we consider as facts. Not stories given by people that refused to be interviewed by the police after a murder occurred, or people that hung up on a 911 call while letting people bleed out, or people that purchased guns 3 weeks before a gun murder, or people having an affair before and after that murder and than sleeping in the same bedroom as the murdered woman slept while alive.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[mastodon]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

You got a few things wrong to say the least. The police believe that Christine's profile was not of her own creation or even knowledge. It was created by brendan. Another thing you got wrong is whom ever Joe was speaking with and it appears now it was brendan using a voice app to change his voice asked Joe to get a knife, and brought up blood play. That was NOT Joe at all. They then asked after he had it would he take a photo of it and send it. They were setting this entire thing up to make him take the fall. In court the prosecutor and the coroner did NOT over state Joe's condition and capacity after the first shot. Both shots were progressive death shots which means either or both killed him, this was explained in the hearing by the sworn coroner. It was always stated by Juliana that she shot Joe from eight or ten feet away as he laid on the floor. He was not up and moving, he was not killing Christine, as Christine as likely all ready stabbed by Brendan before Joe ever arrived at the house. Your story is just that a story and not the facts of the case. They are not the facts of what laid out in court, you are misleading people on the forum and you are very confused or your purposes are nefarious. It is clear however to most that hear the actual facts of this case that Brendan executed a plan plan to lure Joe Ryan in, to use him as a fall guy for the murder of his wife Christine, and than to kill Joe to secure an alibi. Juliana had a part, she is guilty also of murdering Joe, and aiding Branden in the murder of his own wife, and covering up. Let's all remember what Brendan's job was. He is law enforcement for the IRS and understood computer forensics and how to commit a murder. When the trial happens for Juliana I hope more comes out and that law enforcement finally have enough information to make the crime stick. I would not want to live in his neighborhood either. He is clearly a danger, but the prosecution must make it stick that he killed his wife and also framed Joe. This will take a boat load of evidence and ideally Juliana will figure out her lover used her also as a means to an end. I am confident that one day Christine and Joe will have justice for their murders.

Were you at the hearing, yes or no? If no, then why is your story more valid than someone who attended the hearing? There is a lot of message board speculation in your story and the fact remains that Brendan is not charged.

That being said, the person who posted on pg 142 could be making things up.

What is certain is that IF the post on pg 142 is an accurate your story where, Brendan masterminded all this, becomes harder to believe. Is it believable that:
-Brendan made a fake Christine account
-Brendan used either Christine's devices or untraceable messages to con Joe without Christine becoming aware
-Brendan convinced Joe to act out of character and introduce the idea knife play and bring a knife
-Brendan used a voice changing app to sound "sexy" and fool Joe into thinking he was Christine
-Brendan got Christine naked and ripped her pajamas
-Brendan's plan was to leave the house and have Joe arrive with Christine alive but unaware Joe was coming
-Brendan worked out the timing so precisely that au pair leaves, Joe arrives, Joe goes to the bedroom, au pair returns, calls Brendan who arrives after Joe is in the house but before Christine is aware Joe is in the house

That's an amazing story and it will be interesting to see how much of your theory holds true.

Yes I was at the hearing, and yes I know about the case. I also want to point out the original poster for whatever reason list things the prosecution said as if they are not facts and then lists what the defense has said as if they are facts of the case. They are not facts of the case they are things the poster said are facts. The police and prosecution have laid out what they believe was a murder plot to kill Christine and use Joe as the pawn. They have said this out right in court. That’s why part of the evidence presented were photos of the couple, Julianna and Brendan on the night stand in their now shared bedroom of the dead woman and wife Christine. This is very valid evidence and it was allowed in and considered by the court even when the defense attempted to toss it out. Who ever wrote this write up missed many things in the court that day, or intentionally are attempting to make information or facts very unclear. The only reason I can reason why they would mislead others is they want you to think a certain way, or they are not observement. The time line they can facts are not according to the police or the prosecutor. Joe did not own a knife, he bought one at the urging of who he thought he was speaking with. Was that really Christine, not likely, that is NOT what the police believe. Let me point out that the police have thought of Joseph Ryan other then a victim. From the very first press conference to now. That is why Julianna was charged, and that is why I believe Brendan will one day be arrested and charged with two murders. Read over what the poster said, it isn’t what was said in the earlier hearing at all, it is from a perspective they want you to believe based on a story Julianna or Brendan are saying. Yes the person from the IRS criminal investigation team knows how to create a murder plan, but he messed up in places thats why there are several phone calls to 911 and that Julianna didn’t do all the shooting alone that they both had to because one shot was not enough to kill joe their pawn. Brendan has a gun already, if he is shooting someone that just stabbed his wife would he ask the nanny to go into a safe to shoot him again while he is laying on the floor with a shot in his head? Don’t believe everything you read, details matter and motivation matters also. I am stating the story from the perspective of law enforcement that have no motivation other than the truth and the safety of community. If they didn’t care they wouldn’t have taken the time to fully investigate, nor would it be taking time to arrest the other half of the murder team.

First point of clarification, the poster at the top of the page referred to pg 142 of this thread when it was really on pg 144

If I understand you, you were at the hearing but didn't post the details of what was said at the hearing within the thread. If you did I'd be happy to review it.

The post of pg 144 provided new things to consider and certainly complicate things if true. In that accounting on pg 144 by a different poster make it seem that Joe and Christine talked on the phone prior to the murder, Joe introduced knife play, and that she was nude when he arrived with the scene staged as planned in message exchanges with Joe.

Are you saying that:
A. The defense did introduced these things in the hearing and you don't believe they are true
B. The poster on page 144 is lying and the defense did not introduce these things

I am saying B the defense did NOT introduce this at the hearing. The hearing is short, as in a few hours. I think it was three perhaps. I dont remember the exact amount. During the hearing the prosecution lays out just enough evidence and witnesses to get the case to move forward. The case is not a full case it's a fast process. Witnesses called on the prosecution's side. It's all about their burden of proof to proceed so none of this would have been during the pre trial hearing. Only details more or less of how the prosecution intended to try to present a case. I have no idea why the poster got that wrong with listing facts that were not facts or even speculation on the prosecutions part. I stated I dont know how they were so confused and misrepresented what actually happened in court, or if they intentionally were motivated to sway an audience online. I would prefer not to say they lied because it suggests I know their motives. I can't speak to that, I can only speak to the what the prosecution presented and what I recall from the defense. I have a good understanding of this case, I was at the hearing, and I am clear headed and have good observational skills.

Why did I not post sooner when I read the original post or why do I not post more often in this forum about the case? I fear I will slip up and give information that might be harmful to Joe and Christine getting justice. I however do not want to go down as to have not stood up publicly either and say some of what I know. It's a fine line and it creates great stress to be careful and closed mouthed while still supporting the victims and wanting the killers to pay for their crimes.

Interesting that the other poster would be so specific. I'm disappointed if they made up those facts to confuse things.

I believe there have been multiple hearings (maybe 3?). How many have you attended and which one are you speaking of?

The 142/144 post was a summary from the BOND hearing which was closed to the public on April 2.

it seems like both of these posters are talking about a different court date and hearing. I assume thats why there was a different take on what happened. In that case during the bond hearing which was closed to the public the original poster wasn't present either unless they are part of the defense team. So it's still completely from the defense stand point where they talk about whatever details they claimed are facts but are really just one sided. The other poster said he or she went to the prosecution's evidentiary hearing where the prosecution presents only the facts needed to bring the case to an actual jury hearing, and in that type of hearing the defense legally can only object but can not give testimony at all as here is ZERO cross questioning allowed. It's important when viewing this case being aware of what "real facts" are proven scientific verified evidence, and what credible witness testimony tells us should be what we consider as facts. Not stories given by people that refused to be interviewed by the police after a murder occurred, or people that hung up on a 911 call while letting people bleed out, or people that purchased guns 3 weeks before a gun murder, or people having an affair before and after that murder and than sleeping in the same bedroom as the murdered woman slept while alive.

Some news outlets were at the bond hearing.