Fairfax County Double Murder

[Anonymous]

Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given that the husband has not been charged let alone convicted, is there anything police or Virginia can do to keep him from purchasing or otherwise acquiring another firearm? I live in the neighborhood and have seen BB on numerous occasions. His totally deadpan, expressionless face belying an inherent violence has me concerned about neighborhood safety. Especially after the very public WP article which may just push him over the edge. Generally speaking I have a very, very high opinion of Fairfax Police, but are they playing a game trying to entrap him while he presents a clear danger to our safety?

Neighbor here. I have seen him so many times walking around the neighborhood after the incident and every single time, he is on his phone not paying attention to his daughter/dog.

Does he have a new au pair?

What au pair agency would ever match with this family?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given that the husband has not been charged let alone convicted, is there anything police or Virginia can do to keep him from purchasing or otherwise acquiring another firearm? I live in the neighborhood and have seen BB on numerous occasions. His totally deadpan, expressionless face belying an inherent violence has me concerned about neighborhood safety. Especially after the very public WP article which may just push him over the edge. Generally speaking I have a very, very high opinion of Fairfax Police, but are they playing a game trying to entrap him while he presents a clear danger to our safety?

Neighbor here. I have seen him so many times walking around the neighborhood after the incident and every single time, he is on his phone not paying attention to his daughter/dog.

Does he have a new au pair?

He doesn’t need one, he’s on administrative leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

You got a few things wrong to say the least. The police believe that Christine's profile was not of her own creation or even knowledge. It was created by brendan. Another thing you got wrong is whom ever Joe was speaking with and it appears now it was brendan using a voice app to change his voice asked Joe to get a knife, and brought up blood play. That was NOT Joe at all. They then asked after he had it would he take a photo of it and send it. They were setting this entire thing up to make him take the fall. In court the prosecutor and the coroner did NOT over state Joe's condition and capacity after the first shot. Both shots were progressive death shots which means either or both killed him, this was explained in the hearing by the sworn coroner. It was always stated by Juliana that she shot Joe from eight or ten feet away as he laid on the floor. He was not up and moving, he was not killing Christine, as Christine as likely all ready stabbed by Brendan before Joe ever arrived at the house. Your story is just that a story and not the facts of the case. They are not the facts of what laid out in court, you are misleading people on the forum and you are very confused or your purposes are nefarious. It is clear however to most that hear the actual facts of this case that Brendan executed a plan plan to lure Joe Ryan in, to use him as a fall guy for the murder of his wife Christine, and than to kill Joe to secure an alibi. Juliana had a part, she is guilty also of murdering Joe, and aiding Branden in the murder of his own wife, and covering up. Let's all remember what Brendan's job was. He is law enforcement for the IRS and understood computer forensics and how to commit a murder. When the trial happens for Juliana I hope more comes out and that law enforcement finally have enough information to make the crime stick. I would not want to live in his neighborhood either. He is clearly a danger, but the prosecution must make it stick that he killed his wife and also framed Joe. This will take a boat load of evidence and ideally Juliana will figure out her lover used her also as a means to an end. I am confident that one day Christine and Joe will have justice for their murders.

[Anonymous]

I miss Joe all the time, I miss his laughter, I miss his heart, I miss his compassion for others, I miss his humor, I miss his smart mind, I miss his soul.

May both the people involved be judged in a court of law for their terrible crimes. It is clear as day to me that brendan murdered his wife, with the help of his girlfriend the nanny, julianna. May they both be held accountable for their horrible criminal and senseless acts of violence. Joe's family and friends loved him, he wasn't disposable, he mattered. May the truth come out, may the two who took the lives of Joe and Christine serve the maximum time allowed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m concerned with the amount of forensic experts that have been subpoenaed. Meaning I worry that this is not an open and shut case. It’s gonna take quite a bit of convincing.

It's not open and shut by any means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

You got a few things wrong to say the least. The police believe that Christine's profile was not of her own creation or even knowledge. It was created by brendan. Another thing you got wrong is whom ever Joe was speaking with and it appears now it was brendan using a voice app to change his voice asked Joe to get a knife, and brought up blood play. That was NOT Joe at all. They then asked after he had it would he take a photo of it and send it. They were setting this entire thing up to make him take the fall. In court the prosecutor and the coroner did NOT over state Joe's condition and capacity after the first shot. Both shots were progressive death shots which means either or both killed him, this was explained in the hearing by the sworn coroner. It was always stated by Juliana that she shot Joe from eight or ten feet away as he laid on the floor. He was not up and moving, he was not killing Christine, as Christine as likely all ready stabbed by Brendan before Joe ever arrived at the house. Your story is just that a story and not the facts of the case. They are not the facts of what laid out in court, you are misleading people on the forum and you are very confused or your purposes are nefarious. It is clear however to most that hear the actual facts of this case that Brendan executed a plan plan to lure Joe Ryan in, to use him as a fall guy for the murder of his wife Christine, and than to kill Joe to secure an alibi. Juliana had a part, she is guilty also of murdering Joe, and aiding Branden in the murder of his own wife, and covering up. Let's all remember what Brendan's job was. He is law enforcement for the IRS and understood computer forensics and how to commit a murder. When the trial happens for Juliana I hope more comes out and that law enforcement finally have enough information to make the crime stick. I would not want to live in his neighborhood either. He is clearly a danger, but the prosecution must make it stick that he killed his wife and also framed Joe. This will take a boat load of evidence and ideally Juliana will figure out her lover used her also as a means to an end. I am confident that one day Christine and Joe will have justice for their murders.

Were you at the hearing, yes or no? If no, then why is your story more valid than someone who attended the hearing? There is a lot of message board speculation in your story and the fact remains that Brendan is not charged.

That being said, the person who posted on pg 142 could be making things up.

What is certain is that IF the post on pg 142 is an accurate your story where, Brendan masterminded all this, becomes harder to believe. Is it believable that:
-Brendan made a fake Christine account
-Brendan used either Christine's devices or untraceable messages to con Joe without Christine becoming aware
-Brendan convinced Joe to act out of character and introduce the idea knife play and bring a knife
-Brendan used a voice changing app to sound "sexy" and fool Joe into thinking he was Christine
-Brendan got Christine naked and ripped her pajamas
-Brendan's plan was to leave the house and have Joe arrive with Christine alive but unaware Joe was coming
-Brendan worked out the timing so precisely that au pair leaves, Joe arrives, Joe goes to the bedroom, au pair returns, calls Brendan who arrives after Joe is in the house but before Christine is aware Joe is in the house

That's an amazing story and it will be interesting to see how much of your theory holds true.

[Anonymous]

What you describe in the last 2 points is way too risky. Christine could have locked herself in the bathroom to call 911 in 5 seconds if she saw a random man at home. It sounded like a few minutes passed before BB came home after the au pair called.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

You got a few things wrong to say the least. The police believe that Christine's profile was not of her own creation or even knowledge. It was created by brendan. Another thing you got wrong is whom ever Joe was speaking with and it appears now it was brendan using a voice app to change his voice asked Joe to get a knife, and brought up blood play. That was NOT Joe at all. They then asked after he had it would he take a photo of it and send it. They were setting this entire thing up to make him take the fall. In court the prosecutor and the coroner did NOT over state Joe's condition and capacity after the first shot. Both shots were progressive death shots which means either or both killed him, this was explained in the hearing by the sworn coroner. It was always stated by Juliana that she shot Joe from eight or ten feet away as he laid on the floor. He was not up and moving, he was not killing Christine, as Christine as likely all ready stabbed by Brendan before Joe ever arrived at the house. Your story is just that a story and not the facts of the case. They are not the facts of what laid out in court, you are misleading people on the forum and you are very confused or your purposes are nefarious. It is clear however to most that hear the actual facts of this case that Brendan executed a plan plan to lure Joe Ryan in, to use him as a fall guy for the murder of his wife Christine, and than to kill Joe to secure an alibi. Juliana had a part, she is guilty also of murdering Joe, and aiding Branden in the murder of his own wife, and covering up. Let's all remember what Brendan's job was. He is law enforcement for the IRS and understood computer forensics and how to commit a murder. When the trial happens for Juliana I hope more comes out and that law enforcement finally have enough information to make the crime stick. I would not want to live in his neighborhood either. He is clearly a danger, but the prosecution must make it stick that he killed his wife and also framed Joe. This will take a boat load of evidence and ideally Juliana will figure out her lover used her also as a means to an end. I am confident that one day Christine and Joe will have justice for their murders.

Were you at the hearing, yes or no? If no, then why is your story more valid than someone who attended the hearing? There is a lot of message board speculation in your story and the fact remains that Brendan is not charged.

That being said, the person who posted on pg 142 could be making things up.

What is certain is that IF the post on pg 142 is an accurate your story where, Brendan masterminded all this, becomes harder to believe. Is it believable that:
-Brendan made a fake Christine account
-Brendan used either Christine's devices or untraceable messages to con Joe without Christine becoming aware
-Brendan convinced Joe to act out of character and introduce the idea knife play and bring a knife
-Brendan used a voice changing app to sound "sexy" and fool Joe into thinking he was Christine
-Brendan got Christine naked and ripped her pajamas
-Brendan's plan was to leave the house and have Joe arrive with Christine alive but unaware Joe was coming
-Brendan worked out the timing so precisely that au pair leaves, Joe arrives, Joe goes to the bedroom, au pair returns, calls Brendan who arrives after Joe is in the house but before Christine is aware Joe is in the house

That's an amazing story and it will be interesting to see how much of your theory holds true.

That is not my theory. That is what the prosecution and defense tried to outline in the bond hearing earlier this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given that the husband has not been charged let alone convicted, is there anything police or Virginia can do to keep him from purchasing or otherwise acquiring another firearm? I live in the neighborhood and have seen BB on numerous occasions. His totally deadpan, expressionless face belying an inherent violence has me concerned about neighborhood safety. Especially after the very public WP article which may just push him over the edge. Generally speaking I have a very, very high opinion of Fairfax Police, but are they playing a game trying to entrap him while he presents a clear danger to our safety?

Neighbor here. I have seen him so many times walking around the neighborhood after the incident and every single time, he is on his phone not paying attention to his daughter/dog.

Does he have a new au pair?

He doesn’t need one, he’s on administrative leave.

Nice gig. Murder your wife and get a paid vacation for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Given that the husband has not been charged let alone convicted, is there anything police or Virginia can do to keep him from purchasing or otherwise acquiring another firearm? I live in the neighborhood and have seen BB on numerous occasions. His totally deadpan, expressionless face belying an inherent violence has me concerned about neighborhood safety. Especially after the very public WP article which may just push him over the edge. Generally speaking I have a very, very high opinion of Fairfax Police, but are they playing a game trying to entrap him while he presents a clear danger to our safety?

Neighbor here. I have seen him so many times walking around the neighborhood after the incident and every single time, he is on his phone not paying attention to his daughter/dog.

Does he have a new au pair?

He doesn’t need one, he’s on administrative leave.

Nice gig. Murder your wife and get a paid vacation for it.

I heard he’s also working for Uber in his “time off” not sure if that’s a violation of his administrative leave… But also he got three tickets in a three month period while working for Uber.

[Anonymous]

I heard he’s also working for Uber in his “time off” not sure if that’s a violation of his administrative leave… But also he got three tickets in a three month period while working for Uber.

Yes that was on the WaPo article. Uber has suspended his account pending results of this trial.

[Anonymous]

Imagine getting into an Uber and seeing him as your driver.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine getting into an Uber and seeing him as your driver.

I’d ask if he knew how to get to the closest McDonald’s. Or ask him to take me to the Fairfax County Jail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:[mastodon]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a reminder what was posted pg 142 from someone who attended the bond hearing:

AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

You got a few things wrong to say the least. The police believe that Christine's profile was not of her own creation or even knowledge. It was created by brendan. Another thing you got wrong is whom ever Joe was speaking with and it appears now it was brendan using a voice app to change his voice asked Joe to get a knife, and brought up blood play. That was NOT Joe at all. They then asked after he had it would he take a photo of it and send it. They were setting this entire thing up to make him take the fall. In court the prosecutor and the coroner did NOT over state Joe's condition and capacity after the first shot. Both shots were progressive death shots which means either or both killed him, this was explained in the hearing by the sworn coroner. It was always stated by Juliana that she shot Joe from eight or ten feet away as he laid on the floor. He was not up and moving, he was not killing Christine, as Christine as likely all ready stabbed by Brendan before Joe ever arrived at the house. Your story is just that a story and not the facts of the case. They are not the facts of what laid out in court, you are misleading people on the forum and you are very confused or your purposes are nefarious. It is clear however to most that hear the actual facts of this case that Brendan executed a plan plan to lure Joe Ryan in, to use him as a fall guy for the murder of his wife Christine, and than to kill Joe to secure an alibi. Juliana had a part, she is guilty also of murdering Joe, and aiding Branden in the murder of his own wife, and covering up. Let's all remember what Brendan's job was. He is law enforcement for the IRS and understood computer forensics and how to commit a murder. When the trial happens for Juliana I hope more comes out and that law enforcement finally have enough information to make the crime stick. I would not want to live in his neighborhood either. He is clearly a danger, but the prosecution must make it stick that he killed his wife and also framed Joe. This will take a boat load of evidence and ideally Juliana will figure out her lover used her also as a means to an end. I am confident that one day Christine and Joe will have justice for their murders.

Were you at the hearing, yes or no? If no, then why is your story more valid than someone who attended the hearing? There is a lot of message board speculation in your story and the fact remains that Brendan is not charged.

That being said, the person who posted on pg 142 could be making things up.

What is certain is that IF the post on pg 142 is an accurate your story where, Brendan masterminded all this, becomes harder to believe. Is it believable that:
-Brendan made a fake Christine account
-Brendan used either Christine's devices or untraceable messages to con Joe without Christine becoming aware
-Brendan convinced Joe to act out of character and introduce the idea knife play and bring a knife
-Brendan used a voice changing app to sound "sexy" and fool Joe into thinking he was Christine
-Brendan got Christine naked and ripped her pajamas
-Brendan's plan was to leave the house and have Joe arrive with Christine alive but unaware Joe was coming
-Brendan worked out the timing so precisely that au pair leaves, Joe arrives, Joe goes to the bedroom, au pair returns, calls Brendan who arrives after Joe is in the house but before Christine is aware Joe is in the house

That's an amazing story and it will be interesting to see how much of your theory holds true.

Yes I was at the hearing, and yes I know about the case. I also want to point out the original poster for whatever reason list things the prosecution said as if they are not facts and then lists what the defense has said as if they are facts of the case. They are not facts of the case they are things the poster said are facts. The police and prosecution have laid out what they believe was a murder plot to kill Christine and use Joe as the pawn. They have said this out right in court. That’s why part of the evidence presented were photos of the couple, Julianna and Brendan on the night stand in their now shared bedroom of the dead woman and wife Christine. This is very valid evidence and it was allowed in and considered by the court even when the defense attempted to toss it out. Who ever wrote this write up missed many things in the court that day, or intentionally are attempting to make information or facts very unclear. The only reason I can reason why they would mislead others is they want you to think a certain way, or they are not observement. The time line they can facts are not according to the police or the prosecutor. Joe did not own a knife, he bought one at the urging of who he thought he was speaking with. Was that really Christine, not likely, that is NOT what the police believe. Let me point out that the police have thought of Joseph Ryan other then a victim. From the very first press conference to now. That is why Julianna was charged, and that is why I believe Brendan will one day be arrested and charged with two murders. Read over what the poster said, it isn’t what was said in the earlier hearing at all, it is from a perspective they want you to believe based on a story Julianna or Brendan are saying. Yes the person from the IRS criminal investigation team knows how to create a murder plan, but he messed up in places thats why there are several phone calls to 911 and that Julianna didn’t do all the shooting alone that they both had to because one shot was not enough to kill joe their pawn. Brendan has a gun already, if he is shooting someone that just stabbed his wife would he ask the nanny to go into a safe to shoot him again while he is laying on the floor with a shot in his head? Don’t believe everything you read, details matter and motivation matters also. I am stating the story from the perspective of law enforcement that have no motivation other than the truth and the safety of community. If they didn’t care they wouldn’t have taken the time to fully investigate, nor would it be taking time to arrest the other half of the murder team.

First point of clarification, the poster at the top of the page referred to pg 142 of this thread when it was really on pg 144

If I understand you, you were at the hearing but didn't post the details of what was said at the hearing within the thread. If you did I'd be happy to review it.

The post of pg 144 provided new things to consider and certainly complicate things if true. In that accounting on pg 144 by a different poster make it seem that Joe and Christine talked on the phone prior to the murder, Joe introduced knife play, and that she was nude when he arrived with the scene staged as planned in message exchanges with Joe.

Are you saying that:
A. The defense did introduced these things in the hearing and you don't believe they are true
B. The poster on page 144 is lying and the defense did not introduce these things