Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think he intentionally harrassed her but she experienced his behaviour as uncomfortable and harrassing. I guess it comes down to how much intentions matter. If someone doesn't harm you intentionally but you are still harmed, do you have a claim?

There are many scenarios where girls and women feel harrassed even though the men have very different intentions and think they are doing something else and are upset at being told that what they are doing is harrassment.

I think her scenario is similar. For example with Heath in her trailer. She had asked him to turn around and keep his back to her but then her top slipped and she looked up and he was looking at her. Was he intentionally trying to get a look at her breasts - likely not, but he didn't feel the need to have his back turned as she had requested.

But this puts Jamey in a tough situation. If he had said, I understand we need to meet, but you are in your trailer getting makeup off and about to breast-feed, I don’t want either of us to be in an awkward situation so why don’t you just meet me after?

The headline would have been, Hollywood is impossible for women! Poor Blake is trying to run three companies and star in a movie and breastfeed! She should be able to multitask and have a meeting! But Jamey heath insisted that she come to his office!

I’m sorry if she felt uncomfortable, but she helped create that situation.

He didn't need to do anything but keep his back turned as requested. Why did he turn around despite being asked not to?
Another poster's idea to have brainstormed this and put a curtain up would also seem to be a good way to do it but at that moment the solution to preserve her privacy was that he keep his back to her.

Women often help create situations in which they are harrassed or assaulted. I am not sure that means they asked for it. I am not sure her request that he come but keep his back turn - which it seems he agreed to, means that it was okay for him to turn and look at her (which happened to be at a moment her top slipped).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think he intentionally harrassed her but she experienced his behaviour as uncomfortable and harrassing. I guess it comes down to how much intentions matter. If someone doesn't harm you intentionally but you are still harmed, do you have a claim?

There are many scenarios where girls and women feel harrassed even though the men have very different intentions and think they are doing something else and are upset at being told that what they are doing is harrassment.

I think her scenario is similar. For example with Heath in her trailer. She had asked him to turn around and keep his back to her but then her top slipped and she looked up and he was looking at her. Was he intentionally trying to get a look at her breasts - likely not, but he didn't feel the need to have his back turned as she had requested.

But this puts Jamey in a tough situation. If he had said, I understand we need to meet, but you are in your trailer getting makeup off and about to breast-feed, I don’t want either of us to be in an awkward situation so why don’t you just meet me after?

The headline would have been, Hollywood is impossible for women! Poor Blake is trying to run three companies and star in a movie and breastfeed! She should be able to multitask and have a meeting! But Jamey heath insisted that she come to his office!

I’m sorry if she felt uncomfortable, but she helped create that situation.

He didn't need to do anything but keep his back turned as requested. Why did he turn around despite being asked not to?
Another poster's idea to have brainstormed this and put a curtain up would also seem to be a good way to do it but at that moment the solution to preserve her privacy was that he keep his back to her.

Women often help create situations in which they are harrassed or assaulted. I am not sure that means they asked for it. I am not sure her request that he come but keep his back turn - which it seems he agreed to, means that it was okay for him to turn and look at her (which happened to be at a moment her top slipped).

Oh, please, as another poster said much more concisely, this isn’t what the law was meant to protect from.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think he intentionally harrassed her but she experienced his behaviour as uncomfortable and harrassing. I guess it comes down to how much intentions matter. If someone doesn't harm you intentionally but you are still harmed, do you have a claim?

There are many scenarios where girls and women feel harrassed even though the men have very different intentions and think they are doing something else and are upset at being told that what they are doing is harrassment.

I think her scenario is similar. For example with Heath in her trailer. She had asked him to turn around and keep his back to her but then her top slipped and she looked up and he was looking at her. Was he intentionally trying to get a look at her breasts - likely not, but he didn't feel the need to have his back turned as she had requested.

But this puts Jamey in a tough situation. If he had said, I understand we need to meet, but you are in your trailer getting makeup off and about to breast-feed, I don’t want either of us to be in an awkward situation so why don’t you just meet me after?

The headline would have been, Hollywood is impossible for women! Poor Blake is trying to run three companies and star in a movie and breastfeed! She should be able to multitask and have a meeting! But Jamey heath insisted that she come to his office!

I’m sorry if she felt uncomfortable, but she helped create that situation.

He didn't need to do anything but keep his back turned as requested. Why did he turn around despite being asked not to?
Another poster's idea to have brainstormed this and put a curtain up would also seem to be a good way to do it but at that moment the solution to preserve her privacy was that he keep his back to her.

Women often help create situations in which they are harrassed or assaulted. I am not sure that means they asked for it. I am not sure her request that he come but keep his back turn - which it seems he agreed to, means that it was okay for him to turn and look at her (which happened to be at a moment her top slipped).

Oh, please, as another poster said much more concisely, this isn’t what the law was meant to protect from.

I am not saying it is. I don't know if her complaints are really founded or not but I can see how this made her uncomfortable and if there are multiple different occasions where her requests related to her body or privacy were ignored or trodden over, it can add up to feeling harrassed. It can be hard to know in the moment, she was probably thinking, why did he think it was okay to turn around when I was breastfeeding and I asked him not to? That one moment is then remembered the next time something happens again that she feels uncomfortable or disrespected with, and then the next time, and then the next time until you can't ignore how uncomfortable someone is making you feel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think he intentionally harrassed her but she experienced his behaviour as uncomfortable and harrassing. I guess it comes down to how much intentions matter. If someone doesn't harm you intentionally but you are still harmed, do you have a claim?

There are many scenarios where girls and women feel harrassed even though the men have very different intentions and think they are doing something else and are upset at being told that what they are doing is harrassment.

I think her scenario is similar. For example with Heath in her trailer. She had asked him to turn around and keep his back to her but then her top slipped and she looked up and he was looking at her. Was he intentionally trying to get a look at her breasts - likely not, but he didn't feel the need to have his back turned as she had requested.

But this puts Jamey in a tough situation. If he had said, I understand we need to meet, but you are in your trailer getting makeup off and about to breast-feed, I don’t want either of us to be in an awkward situation so why don’t you just meet me after?

The headline would have been, Hollywood is impossible for women! Poor Blake is trying to run three companies and star in a movie and breastfeed! She should be able to multitask and have a meeting! But Jamey heath insisted that she come to his office!

I’m sorry if she felt uncomfortable, but she helped create that situation.

He didn't need to do anything but keep his back turned as requested. Why did he turn around despite being asked not to?
Another poster's idea to have brainstormed this and put a curtain up would also seem to be a good way to do it but at that moment the solution to preserve her privacy was that he keep his back to her.

Women often help create situations in which they are harrassed or assaulted. I am not sure that means they asked for it. I am not sure her request that he come but keep his back turn - which it seems he agreed to, means that it was okay for him to turn and look at her (which happened to be at a moment her top slipped).

I don’t think looking at someone by accident at the minute their top slips is harassment. It’s pretty unnatural to talk to someone while facing away, and impossible to know the top would slip. I also don’t think it means she was trying to provoke anything. Sometimes uncomfortable situations just happen.

[Anonymous]

Anyone who hires Blake now knows that if Blake does not get her way, Ryan Reynolds and Taylor Swift will be up their ass. I am thinking many people will decide they would rather not deal with that. Well done by Justin Baldoni and his attorneys.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think he intentionally harrassed her but she experienced his behaviour as uncomfortable and harrassing. I guess it comes down to how much intentions matter. If someone doesn't harm you intentionally but you are still harmed, do you have a claim?

There are many scenarios where girls and women feel harrassed even though the men have very different intentions and think they are doing something else and are upset at being told that what they are doing is harrassment.

I think her scenario is similar. For example with Heath in her trailer. She had asked him to turn around and keep his back to her but then her top slipped and she looked up and he was looking at her. Was he intentionally trying to get a look at her breasts - likely not, but he didn't feel the need to have his back turned as she had requested.

But this puts Jamey in a tough situation. If he had said, I understand we need to meet, but you are in your trailer getting makeup off and about to breast-feed, I don’t want either of us to be in an awkward situation so why don’t you just meet me after?

The headline would have been, Hollywood is impossible for women! Poor Blake is trying to run three companies and star in a movie and breastfeed! She should be able to multitask and have a meeting! But Jamey heath insisted that she come to his office!

I’m sorry if she felt uncomfortable, but she helped create that situation.

He didn't need to do anything but keep his back turned as requested. Why did he turn around despite being asked not to?
Another poster's idea to have brainstormed this and put a curtain up would also seem to be a good way to do it but at that moment the solution to preserve her privacy was that he keep his back to her.

Women often help create situations in which they are harrassed or assaulted. I am not sure that means they asked for it. I am not sure her request that he come but keep his back turn - which it seems he agreed to, means that it was okay for him to turn and look at her (which happened to be at a moment her top slipped).

I don’t think looking at someone by accident at the minute their top slips is harassment. It’s pretty unnatural to talk to someone while facing away, and impossible to know the top would slip. I also don’t think it means she was trying to provoke anything. Sometimes uncomfortable situations just happen.

But she had asked him to keep his back turned. So it wasn't by accident. He didn't do as he was asked - why we don't know but he made the decision to turn and look at her despite her requesting privacy by having him keep his back turn. She probably thought she was 'safe' if her top slipped because his back would be turned so to look up and see him looking at her at that moment would make many people feel uncomfortable or unsettled. I am surprised by the responses on here about these kinds of things given how threads usually go about men not respecting women's privacy or space or requests related to their body or privacy.

I think in a thread where a poster asked her FIL or BIL to turn his back while she breastfed and then when her top slipped she looked up to find him looking at her, the responses wouldn't be all supporting the FIL or BIL and blaming the poster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think he intentionally harrassed her but she experienced his behaviour as uncomfortable and harrassing. I guess it comes down to how much intentions matter. If someone doesn't harm you intentionally but you are still harmed, do you have a claim?

There are many scenarios where girls and women feel harrassed even though the men have very different intentions and think they are doing something else and are upset at being told that what they are doing is harrassment.

I think her scenario is similar. For example with Heath in her trailer. She had asked him to turn around and keep his back to her but then her top slipped and she looked up and he was looking at her. Was he intentionally trying to get a look at her breasts - likely not, but he didn't feel the need to have his back turned as she had requested.

But this puts Jamey in a tough situation. If he had said, I understand we need to meet, but you are in your trailer getting makeup off and about to breast-feed, I don’t want either of us to be in an awkward situation so why don’t you just meet me after?

The headline would have been, Hollywood is impossible for women! Poor Blake is trying to run three companies and star in a movie and breastfeed! She should be able to multitask and have a meeting! But Jamey heath insisted that she come to his office!

I’m sorry if she felt uncomfortable, but she helped create that situation.

He didn't need to do anything but keep his back turned as requested. Why did he turn around despite being asked not to?
Another poster's idea to have brainstormed this and put a curtain up would also seem to be a good way to do it but at that moment the solution to preserve her privacy was that he keep his back to her.

Women often help create situations in which they are harrassed or assaulted. I am not sure that means they asked for it. I am not sure her request that he come but keep his back turn - which it seems he agreed to, means that it was okay for him to turn and look at her (which happened to be at a moment her top slipped).

I don’t think looking at someone by accident at the minute their top slips is harassment. It’s pretty unnatural to talk to someone while facing away, and impossible to know the top would slip. I also don’t think it means she was trying to provoke anything. Sometimes uncomfortable situations just happen.

But she had asked him to keep his back turned. So it wasn't by accident. He didn't do as he was asked - why we don't know but he made the decision to turn and look at her despite her requesting privacy by having him keep his back turn. She probably thought she was 'safe' if her top slipped because his back would be turned so to look up and see him looking at her at that moment would make many people feel uncomfortable or unsettled. I am surprised by the responses on here about these kinds of things given how threads usually go about men not respecting women's privacy or space or requests related to their body or privacy.

I think in a thread where a poster asked her FIL or BIL to turn his back while she breastfed and then when her top slipped she looked up to find him looking at her, the responses wouldn't be all supporting the FIL or BIL and blaming the poster.

What you are describing as harassment is actually an accident that would be uncomfortable for both parties. This is not what harassment looks like, and I feel sorry for men if this is what we’re declaring harassment looks like. She had several other women in the room too—were they harrassing her? Don’t invite someone in the room if you’re that sensitive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think he intentionally harrassed her but she experienced his behaviour as uncomfortable and harrassing. I guess it comes down to how much intentions matter. If someone doesn't harm you intentionally but you are still harmed, do you have a claim?

There are many scenarios where girls and women feel harrassed even though the men have very different intentions and think they are doing something else and are upset at being told that what they are doing is harrassment.

I think her scenario is similar. For example with Heath in her trailer. She had asked him to turn around and keep his back to her but then her top slipped and she looked up and he was looking at her. Was he intentionally trying to get a look at her breasts - likely not, but he didn't feel the need to have his back turned as she had requested.

But this puts Jamey in a tough situation. If he had said, I understand we need to meet, but you are in your trailer getting makeup off and about to breast-feed, I don’t want either of us to be in an awkward situation so why don’t you just meet me after?

The headline would have been, Hollywood is impossible for women! Poor Blake is trying to run three companies and star in a movie and breastfeed! She should be able to multitask and have a meeting! But Jamey heath insisted that she come to his office!

I’m sorry if she felt uncomfortable, but she helped create that situation.

He didn't need to do anything but keep his back turned as requested. Why did he turn around despite being asked not to?
Another poster's idea to have brainstormed this and put a curtain up would also seem to be a good way to do it but at that moment the solution to preserve her privacy was that he keep his back to her.

Women often help create situations in which they are harrassed or assaulted. I am not sure that means they asked for it. I am not sure her request that he come but keep his back turn - which it seems he agreed to, means that it was okay for him to turn and look at her (which happened to be at a moment her top slipped).

I don’t think looking at someone by accident at the minute their top slips is harassment. It’s pretty unnatural to talk to someone while facing away, and impossible to know the top would slip. I also don’t think it means she was trying to provoke anything. Sometimes uncomfortable situations just happen.

But she had asked him to keep his back turned. So it wasn't by accident. He didn't do as he was asked - why we don't know but he made the decision to turn and look at her despite her requesting privacy by having him keep his back turn. She probably thought she was 'safe' if her top slipped because his back would be turned so to look up and see him looking at her at that moment would make many people feel uncomfortable or unsettled. I am surprised by the responses on here about these kinds of things given how threads usually go about men not respecting women's privacy or space or requests related to their body or privacy.

I think in a thread where a poster asked her FIL or BIL to turn his back while she breastfed and then when her top slipped she looked up to find him looking at her, the responses wouldn't be all supporting the FIL or BIL and blaming the poster.

I think it is instinctual to want to look at someone while talking. I don’t feel that judging based on this single instance, as in calling it a crime, is fair. Being weary of being around the person, trusting them less after this? Sure, I can see that bc you could doubt motives. Being certain it was intentional, enough to call out in a lawsuit? No. I would feel the same about a family member.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think he intentionally harrassed her but she experienced his behaviour as uncomfortable and harrassing. I guess it comes down to how much intentions matter. If someone doesn't harm you intentionally but you are still harmed, do you have a claim?

There are many scenarios where girls and women feel harrassed even though the men have very different intentions and think they are doing something else and are upset at being told that what they are doing is harrassment.

I think her scenario is similar. For example with Heath in her trailer. She had asked him to turn around and keep his back to her but then her top slipped and she looked up and he was looking at her. Was he intentionally trying to get a look at her breasts - likely not, but he didn't feel the need to have his back turned as she had requested.

But this puts Jamey in a tough situation. If he had said, I understand we need to meet, but you are in your trailer getting makeup off and about to breast-feed, I don’t want either of us to be in an awkward situation so why don’t you just meet me after?

The headline would have been, Hollywood is impossible for women! Poor Blake is trying to run three companies and star in a movie and breastfeed! She should be able to multitask and have a meeting! But Jamey heath insisted that she come to his office!

I’m sorry if she felt uncomfortable, but she helped create that situation.

He didn't need to do anything but keep his back turned as requested. Why did he turn around despite being asked not to?
Another poster's idea to have brainstormed this and put a curtain up would also seem to be a good way to do it but at that moment the solution to preserve her privacy was that he keep his back to her.

Women often help create situations in which they are harrassed or assaulted. I am not sure that means they asked for it. I am not sure her request that he come but keep his back turn - which it seems he agreed to, means that it was okay for him to turn and look at her (which happened to be at a moment her top slipped).

I don’t think looking at someone by accident at the minute their top slips is harassment. It’s pretty unnatural to talk to someone while facing away, and impossible to know the top would slip. I also don’t think it means she was trying to provoke anything. Sometimes uncomfortable situations just happen.

But she had asked him to keep his back turned. So it wasn't by accident. He didn't do as he was asked - why we don't know but he made the decision to turn and look at her despite her requesting privacy by having him keep his back turn. She probably thought she was 'safe' if her top slipped because his back would be turned so to look up and see him looking at her at that moment would make many people feel uncomfortable or unsettled. I am surprised by the responses on here about these kinds of things given how threads usually go about men not respecting women's privacy or space or requests related to their body or privacy.

I think in a thread where a poster asked her FIL or BIL to turn his back while she breastfed and then when her top slipped she looked up to find him looking at her, the responses wouldn't be all supporting the FIL or BIL and blaming the poster.

What you are describing as harassment is actually an accident that would be uncomfortable for both parties. This is not what harassment looks like, and I feel sorry for men if this is what we’re declaring harassment looks like. She had several other women in the room too—were they harrassing her? Don’t invite someone in the room if you’re that sensitive.

Surely you understand what consent means? The women in the room who were looking at her with her consent is completely different than anyone - man or woman looking at her without her consent after she explicitly asked them not to and they apparently agreed to turn their back.

I didn't use the word harrassment. It seems the harrassment claim is not based solely on this one incident but on multiple similar type incidents on set that led to her feeling unsafe and harrassed. I don't believe each individual claim on its own is being put forward as a crime. The people being sued are those responsible for the set and atmosphere on set and for the PR issues that followed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think he intentionally harrassed her but she experienced his behaviour as uncomfortable and harrassing. I guess it comes down to how much intentions matter. If someone doesn't harm you intentionally but you are still harmed, do you have a claim?

There are many scenarios where girls and women feel harrassed even though the men have very different intentions and think they are doing something else and are upset at being told that what they are doing is harrassment.

I think her scenario is similar. For example with Heath in her trailer. She had asked him to turn around and keep his back to her but then her top slipped and she looked up and he was looking at her. Was he intentionally trying to get a look at her breasts - likely not, but he didn't feel the need to have his back turned as she had requested.

But this puts Jamey in a tough situation. If he had said, I understand we need to meet, but you are in your trailer getting makeup off and about to breast-feed, I don’t want either of us to be in an awkward situation so why don’t you just meet me after?

The headline would have been, Hollywood is impossible for women! Poor Blake is trying to run three companies and star in a movie and breastfeed! She should be able to multitask and have a meeting! But Jamey heath insisted that she come to his office!

I’m sorry if she felt uncomfortable, but she helped create that situation.

He didn't need to do anything but keep his back turned as requested. Why did he turn around despite being asked not to?
Another poster's idea to have brainstormed this and put a curtain up would also seem to be a good way to do it but at that moment the solution to preserve her privacy was that he keep his back to her.

Women often help create situations in which they are harrassed or assaulted. I am not sure that means they asked for it. I am not sure her request that he come but keep his back turn - which it seems he agreed to, means that it was okay for him to turn and look at her (which happened to be at a moment her top slipped).

I don’t think looking at someone by accident at the minute their top slips is harassment. It’s pretty unnatural to talk to someone while facing away, and impossible to know the top would slip. I also don’t think it means she was trying to provoke anything. Sometimes uncomfortable situations just happen.

But she had asked him to keep his back turned. So it wasn't by accident. He didn't do as he was asked - why we don't know but he made the decision to turn and look at her despite her requesting privacy by having him keep his back turn. She probably thought she was 'safe' if her top slipped because his back would be turned so to look up and see him looking at her at that moment would make many people feel uncomfortable or unsettled. I am surprised by the responses on here about these kinds of things given how threads usually go about men not respecting women's privacy or space or requests related to their body or privacy.

I think in a thread where a poster asked her FIL or BIL to turn his back while she breastfed and then when her top slipped she looked up to find him looking at her, the responses wouldn't be all supporting the FIL or BIL and blaming the poster.

I think it is instinctual to want to look at someone while talking. I don’t feel that judging based on this single instance, as in calling it a crime, is fair. Being weary of being around the person, trusting them less after this? Sure, I can see that bc you could doubt motives. Being certain it was intentional, enough to call out in a lawsuit? No. I would feel the same about a family member.

But isn't that her claim? That it was multiple events. I read the document and don't remember her singling this one event out as a crime. It was a series of similar events that led to her feeling unsafe on set and to feeling harrassed due to a lack of respet for her body or privacy as I recall, not one specific incident on its own. She has to lay out the various scenarios that led to her claim. You might feel it isn't adequate and she should have just put up with whatever she believed was happening on set but if people don't speak up when things happen, then nothing changes. Obviously I wasn't on set and this was all be decided in court but I certainly don't expect women to be silent and accept whatever behaviour makes them feel uncomforable and unsafe in the workplace.

[Anonymous]

If she asked him to turn his back, it is not some accident that dude was then looking at her. He ignored her request to turn his back. It’s not hard to talk to someone without looking at them when they have asked you to turn your back because they are having wardrobe issues wtf?

[Anonymous]

This absolutely ridiculous to expect someone have a professional conversation with their back turned. It’s not a professional ask and complete reasonable that someone would turn to look during the conversation and forget the back turned request. It’s just not something people are used to.

[Anonymous]

That’s bananas. It’s a perfectly reasonable ask if you are having a wardrobe issue in this context. Sheesh. What is wrong with someone that they can’t turn their back when specifically asked wut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That’s bananas. It’s a perfectly reasonable ask if you are having a wardrobe issue in this context. Sheesh. What is wrong with someone that they can’t turn their back when specifically asked wut.

What were they talking about, anyway? I can't remember. Was it really something that could not have waited until she was out if body makeup or whatever?

If you are uncomfortable talking to someone with your back turned, why not wait until she's dressed? It seems like that would be the obvious answer to keeping it professional. Also she was topless for a legitimate work reason, not just for fun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This absolutely ridiculous to expect someone have a professional conversation with their back turned. It’s not a professional ask and complete reasonable that someone would turn to look during the conversation and forget the back turned request. It’s just not something people are used to.

It’s an awkward situation. There’s no way of knowing unless the assistant or the make up artist is deposed and can say, yeah he crossed boundaries and acted weird and it was uncomfortable. I think a lot of people are having trouble believing that when there were three other women in the room, they were having a meeting or a conversation about something to do with the movie, and it just seems strange that he would just ogle her in an uncomfortable way in that scenario. Maybe he is really weird and that totally happened. But it also sounds like it just could’ve been one of those awkward situations that everyone wished didn’t happen.

I really wish it wasn’t even part of the complaint as it is very murky. It just seems like there are a bunch of situations like this that could be taken out of context. And as someone said, she is painting a pattern where she felt uncomfortable by minor incidences, which could be harassment. But he seems to be painting a pattern where she is oversensitive to things.

Like when she said he was referring to her as hot when he was talking about the temperature, her thinking he was referring to her as sexy when he was talking about her character. Her feeling uncomfortable because he hired a friend to be the obgyn and it not being clear if that alone made her uncomfortable or if the actor playing him did something to make her feel uncomfortable.

Just seems like all of these examples are based on context. And again I think if more people were deposed and we just could hear, yes I too thought that was awkward or I would’ve been uncomfortable, it would clear a lot of this up. But so far we’re not hearing from anyone else.