DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious, how many of you actually played soccer, watch soccer regularly and really understand what is involved. Just curious that is all.

Please teach us o wise one!

(Not sure playing soccer, watching soccer or even coaching winning soccer teams qualifies someone to judge a player's future potential.)

So what does? Enlighten me mighty one. You know how ridiculous your comment is. I fell off my chair. Slapped myself to make sure what i just read made no damn sense whatsoever.

A little knowledge can be dangerous. Dads playing soccer or drinking a beer and watching European professional men’s soccer has little to do with the USWNT. Developing girls from a young age to love the sport of soccer and be champions when they are 18 or 20. That is what matters. I’m not sure even all of the so called “academy” coaches understand that. Dads even the ones who still play or have coaching experience need to take a step back and let the coaches coach.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to know if a club really develops talent all you have to do is look at the teams current make up and figure out where they came from.

Lets take FCV for example. Their 1st ever U9, U10, U11, U12, and U13 group started five years ago. Everything up until that time at FCV was only ECNL (U14 and above). That aforementioned group is now U14, U15, U16, U17, U18.

How many of those kids on the current DA teams do you think came from the original age group pools?

Answer: Very Few.

Like 15% to 20%? I guess stealing kids from other clubs is their forte. However, with other DA's and ECNL teams within close proximity, it will likely hurt their ability to woo parents/kids to their club.

Never said they stole kids. Parents bring their kids to them. In search of the winning team. FCV has pick of the litter. That's why they can discard talent left and right. It get replenished. It will continue to get replenished. That's why parents and players get emotionally drained in these hyper competitive environments. Always on the chopping block.

Their ability to recruit will be put to the test in the coming seasons as many clubs around them also offer pathways that were once far more limited when there was only ECNL and McLean was the only other choice. With talent spread across more clubs than ever FCV, as well as other clubs, will actually have to develop and retain talent. It will remain to be seen if FCV can have continued success in this new landscape.

Winning team always attracts the top talent. ALWAYS! As long as they are winning, everyone is happy. You are overplaying the draw of ECNL in this area. It will not do what you think it will do. DA is the top option in NOVA going forward. The ECNL teams next year will be weaker then they were this year...and this year was weaker than last year. That's the trend going forward. In my humble opinion.

Would be interesting to know how many Loudoun 05,06,07 from Red teams left their upcoming ECNL teams to go to either FCV or WS DA? Or how many 05,06,07 McLean or BRYC players left (I know McLean 05 may be a bit of an anomaly as several are jumping ship for WS DA, presumably following Spencer) Anyone have insight? Those numbers would at least be the foundational statistics needed to confirm or negate the statement above that ECNL will continue to get weaker.

Spencer wasn't the ECNL coach at Mclean 05, why would they follow him? He wasn't the u12 coach for them either. http://www.mcleansoccer.org/travel_staff_2016

Yes, I am aware of that, he was the 03 ECNL coach. With that being said, the 3 05s that I know of that are leaving know Spencer and like him. Not a hard sell to leave a team that is presumably "falling apart" (not my words, just what I have heard) AND a coach that you like is heading to the club that you are thinking of transitioning to.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm absolutely not a fan of FCV but looking at the number of kids showing up at a Loudoun tryout says very little about the FCV program. parents go to Loudoun knowing that pretty much whatever quality of player their kid is, there's a Loudoun travel team that they can play on. That's just how it works when there's 4+ teams per age group. FCV, on the other hand, does not field as many teams, so generally they will attract fewer players. (Now, FCV may act like they field fewer teams because they focus on quality, but it's also because they don't have a developed youth program or the field space for lots of teams.)

The relevant question is, as asked above, whether the top talent from Loudoun is staying there or going to FCV. When things settle down in a month, I'd be interested to hear the answer to that question.

They already left for 05's and 04's

Next year, the 06's will leave

The year after that, the 07's will leave

It always happens around u14. That's when Loudoun drops off. ALWAYS.

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New thread is needed

Loudoun vs FCV

How many came out to Loudoun 08 and 09 tryouts compared to FCV 08 and 09

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to know if a club really develops talent all you have to do is look at the teams current make up and figure out where they came from.

Lets take FCV for example. Their 1st ever U9, U10, U11, U12, and U13 group started five years ago. Everything up until that time at FCV was only ECNL (U14 and above). That aforementioned group is now U14, U15, U16, U17, U18.

How many of those kids on the current DA teams do you think came from the original age group pools?

Answer: Very Few.

Like 15% to 20%? I guess stealing kids from other clubs is their forte. However, with other DA's and ECNL teams within close proximity, it will likely hurt their ability to woo parents/kids to their club.

Never said they stole kids. Parents bring their kids to them. In search of the winning team. FCV has pick of the litter. That's why they can discard talent left and right. It get replenished. It will continue to get replenished. That's why parents and players get emotionally drained in these hyper competitive environments.
Always on the chopping block.

Their ability to recruit will be put to the test in the coming seasons as many clubs around them also offer pathways that were once far more limited when there was only ECNL and McLean was the only other choice. With talent spread across more clubs than ever FCV, as well as other clubs, will actually have to develop and retain talent. It will remain to be seen if FCV can have continued success in this new landscape.

Winning team always attracts the top talent. ALWAYS! As long as they are winning, everyone is happy. You are overplaying the draw of ECNL in this area. It will not do what you think it will do. DA is the top option in NOVA going forward. The ECNL teams next year will be weaker then they were this year...and this year was weaker than last year. That's the trend going forward. In my humble opinion.

Would be interesting to know how many Loudoun 05,06,07 from Red teams left their upcoming ECNL teams to go to either FCV or WS DA? Or how many 05,06,07 McLean or BRYC players left (I know McLean 05 may be a bit of an anomaly as several are jumping ship for WS DA, presumably following Spencer) Anyone have insight? Those numbers would at least be the foundational statistics needed to confirm or negate the statement above that ECNL will continue to get weaker.

DONE - Loudoun 05's already jumped ship
DONE - Mclean 05's jumped ship

BRYC 05 is winless in ECNL, so don't know their plans. I assume they will jump from that team.

How many Loudoun 05s jumped ship? I only know of one going to FCV, who else is leaving? Any going to WS? The ones that left mid season do not count of course.

Loudoun 06 Red - no one left for FCV or WS DA, same for 07 (however I do not think any of them would have made FCV 06 DA, but Spirit 06 DA yes, from what I hear everyone that even showed up got an offer).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm absolutely not a fan of FCV but looking at the number of kids showing up at a Loudoun tryout says very little about the FCV program. parents go to Loudoun knowing that pretty much whatever quality of player their kid is, there's a Loudoun travel team that they can play on. That's just how it works when there's 4+ teams per age group. FCV, on the other hand, does not field as many teams, so generally they will attract fewer players. (Now, FCV may act like they field fewer teams because they focus on quality, but it's also because they don't have a developed youth program or the field space for lots of teams.)

The relevant question is, as asked above, whether the top talent from Loudoun is staying there or going to FCV. When things settle down in a month, I'd be interested to hear the answer to that question.

They already left for 05's and 04's

Next year, the 06's will leave

The year after that, the 07's will leave

It always happens around u14. That's when Loudoun drops off. ALWAYS.

It ALWAYS happened because Loudoun did not have anything beyond CCL to offer, FCV and McLean had ECNL. With Loudoun having ECNL now, the drop off will be much, much less.

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Anonymous wrote:New thread is needed

Loudoun vs FCV

How many came out to Loudoun 08 and 09 tryouts compared to FCV 08 and 09

Agreed, new thread is needed!

As for how many came out to FCV, believe it was along the lines of the 07s, not many, and certainly not Loudoun's "top talent".

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BRYC 04s didn't leave because they thought ECNL wasn't good enough or because they thought DA is better. They left because they were unhappy with the coaching. I have heard that from multiple, multiple parents. And some left for other ECNLs. Some tried DA and now will move to another ECNL.

As for 05s, maybe, but the real shift will likely occur with 06s and younger, as many have said on this forum over and over.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to know if a club really develops talent all you have to do is look at the teams current make up and figure out where they came from.

Lets take FCV for example. Their 1st ever U9, U10, U11, U12, and U13 group started five years ago. Everything up until that time at FCV was only ECNL (U14 and above). That aforementioned group is now U14, U15, U16, U17, U18.

How many of those kids on the current DA teams do you think came from the original age group pools?

Answer: Very Few.

Like 15% to 20%? I guess stealing kids from other clubs is their forte. However, with other DA's and ECNL teams within close proximity, it will likely hurt their ability to woo parents/kids to their club.

Never said they stole kids. Parents bring their kids to them. In search of the winning team. FCV has pick of the litter. That's why they can discard talent left and right. It get replenished. It will continue to get replenished. That's why parents and players get emotionally drained in these hyper competitive environments. Always on the chopping block.

Their ability to recruit will be put to the test in the coming seasons as many clubs around them also offer pathways that were once far more limited when there was only ECNL and McLean was the only other choice. With talent spread across more clubs than ever FCV, as well as other clubs, will actually have to develop and retain talent. It will remain to be seen if FCV can have continued success in this new landscape.

Winning team always attracts the top talent. ALWAYS! As long as they are winning, everyone is happy. You are overplaying the draw of ECNL in this area. It will not do what you think it will do. DA is the top option in NOVA going forward. The ECNL teams next year will be weaker then they were this year...and this year was weaker than last year. That's the trend going forward. In my humble opinion.

Would be interesting to know how many Loudoun 05,06,07 from Red teams left their upcoming ECNL teams to go to either FCV or WS DA? Or how many 05,06,07 McLean or BRYC players left (I know McLean 05 may be a bit of an anomaly as several are jumping ship for WS DA, presumably following Spencer) Anyone have insight? Those numbers would at least be the foundational statistics needed to confirm or negate the statement above that ECNL will continue to get weaker.

Spencer wasn't the ECNL coach at Mclean 05, why would they follow him? He wasn't the u12 coach for them either. http://www.mcleansoccer.org/travel_staff_2016

Yes, I am aware of that, he was the 03 ECNL coach. With that being said, the 3 05s that I know of that are leaving know Spencer and like him. Not a hard sell to leave a team that is presumably "falling apart" (not my words, just what I have heard) AND a coach that you like is heading to the club that you are thinking of transitioning to.

Those three kids were leaving long before anyone knew Spencer was moving.

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Anonymous wrote:BRYC 04s didn't leave because they thought ECNL wasn't good enough or because they thought DA is better. They left because they were unhappy with the coaching. I have heard that from multiple, multiple parents. And some left for other ECNLs. Some tried DA and now will move to another ECNL.

As for 05s, maybe, but the real shift will likely occur with 06s and younger, as many have said on this forum over and over.

Didn't know bryc 04s were losing kids.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want to know if a club really develops talent all you have to do is look at the teams current make up and figure out where they came from.

Lets take FCV for example. Their 1st ever U9, U10, U11, U12, and U13 group started five years ago. Everything up until that time at FCV was only ECNL (U14 and above). That aforementioned group is now U14, U15, U16, U17, U18.

How many of those kids on the current DA teams do you think came from the original age group pools?

Answer: Very Few.

Like 15% to 20%? I guess stealing kids from other clubs is their forte. However, with other DA's and ECNL teams within close proximity, it will likely hurt their ability to woo parents/kids to their club.

Never said they stole kids. Parents bring their kids to them. In search of the winning team. FCV has pick of the litter. That's why they can discard talent left and right. It get replenished. It will continue to get replenished. That's why parents and players get emotionally drained in these hyper competitive environments. Always on the chopping block.

Their ability to recruit will be put to the test in the coming seasons as many clubs around them also offer pathways that were once far more limited when there was only ECNL and McLean was the only other choice. With talent spread across more clubs than ever FCV, as well as other clubs, will actually have to develop and retain talent. It will remain to be seen if FCV can have continued success in this new landscape.

Winning team always attracts the top talent. ALWAYS! As long as they are winning, everyone is happy. You are overplaying the draw of ECNL in this area. It will not do what you think it will do. DA is the top option in NOVA going forward. The ECNL teams next year will be weaker then they were this year...and this year was weaker than last year. That's the trend going forward. In my humble opinion.

Would be interesting to know how many Loudoun 05,06,07 from Red teams left their upcoming ECNL teams to go to either FCV or WS DA? Or how many 05,06,07 McLean or BRYC players left (I know McLean 05 may be a bit of an anomaly as several are jumping ship for WS DA, presumably following Spencer) Anyone have insight? Those numbers would at least be the foundational statistics needed to confirm or negate the statement above that ECNL will continue to get weaker.

Spencer wasn't the ECNL coach at Mclean 05, why would they follow him? He wasn't the u12 coach for them either. http://www.mcleansoccer.org/travel_staff_2016

Yes, I am aware of that, he was the 03 ECNL coach. With that being said, the 3 05s that I know of that are leaving know Spencer and like him. Not a hard sell to leave a team that is presumably "falling apart" (not my words, just what I have heard) AND a coach that you like is heading to the club that you are thinking of transitioning to.

Those three kids were leaving long before anyone knew Spencer was moving.

Fair point, two of them for sure were gone mid way through the season. Guess Spencer winding up at WS was just a bonus for them .

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A little knowledge can be dangerous. Dads playing soccer or drinking a beer and watching European professional men’s soccer has little to do with the USWNT. Developing girls from a young age to love the sport of soccer and be champions when they are 18 or 20. That is what matters. I’m not sure even all of the so called “academy” coaches understand that. Dads even the ones who still play or have coaching experience need to take a step back and let the coaches coach.

I'm sure you didn't mean anything sexist by the above but just note that plenty of women play (after having played at high levels) and also coach. That is one thing that continues to attract us to Spirit: it's continual effort to include women like that in their coaching staff.

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Anonymous wrote:BRYC 04s didn't leave because they thought ECNL wasn't good enough or because they thought DA is better. They left because they were unhappy with the coaching. I have heard that from multiple, multiple parents. And some left for other ECNLs. Some tried DA and now will move to another ECNL.

As for 05s, maybe, but the real shift will likely occur with 06s and younger, as many have said on this forum over and over.

Didn't know bryc 04s were losing kids.

They lost a bunch last year (because of the coaching issue), and apparently a CB this year.

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A little knowledge can be dangerous. Dads playing soccer or drinking a beer and watching European professional men’s soccer has little to do with the USWNT. Developing girls from a young age to love the sport of soccer and be champions when they are 18 or 20. That is what matters. I’m not sure even all of the so called “academy” coaches understand that. Dads even the ones who still play or have coaching experience need to take a step back and let the coaches coach.

I'm sure you didn't mean anything sexist by the above but just note that plenty of women play (after having played at high levels) and also coach. That is one thing that continues to attract us to Spirit: it's continual effort to include women like that in their coaching staff.

Just because you have female coaches does not mean they are good. I have seen some female coaches do stuff that would get a male coach fired. There are also crazy soccer moms. Oh I am sure you did not mean to be sexist by implying having female coaches are better vs a male coaches.

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Just chill. I said what I did because posters assume every emotional post is a mom, called this a mom board, if a poster compliments a player, must be her mother, but when we talk about parents playing, they are all dads?