ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Current club system works; 12 month age window, grades don't matter and no advantage to being to older for your grade. Most rec and school soccer are grade based.

Adding a rule to SY that players must play with their grade in school would allow Club and Rec teams to use the same eligibility rules. Also Seasonal Year and Grade in school would be interchangeable. But in both cases holdbacks that were not age eligible would not be able to play down.

SY does have grades. No rule needed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Correct, but only a year younger Aug Sept Oct etc players could be held back in school and play on the year younger team. This is because they fit in the year younger 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. These players probably started school too early in the first place.

Regular age players woukd not be able to play down by being held back in school. They would be forced to play with their age team which woukd be a level up.

No, those kids more than likely started on-time. This just lays bare how different states have different start times and why BY -- for all its other faults -- removed school start date largely as an issue (that now returns)

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Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Current club system works; 12 month age window, grades don't matter and no advantage to being to older for your grade. Most rec and school soccer are grade based.

This is the same thing as the current 12 month age window. You're just adding a rule that the 13th, 14th, 15th month players must play with their grade. If 13th 14th 15th month players want to play down they can but their parents will need to hold them back in school.

Grade rules = GY. SY will be given a rule way of at least a few years before being blown up for exceptions.

Maybe those countries with 2 year windows are what we should consider

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Current club system works; 12 month age window, grades don't matter and no advantage to being to older for your grade. Most rec and school soccer are grade based.

This is the same thing as the current 12 month age window. You're just adding a rule that the 13th, 14th, 15th month players must play with their grade. If 13th 14th 15th month players want to play down they can but their parents will need to hold them back in school.

Grade rules = GY. SY will be given a rule way of at least a few years before being blown up for exceptions.

Trust me nobody wants GY.

This is SY with a rule that players must play with their grade in school.

What you don't like is if a rule saying players must play with their grade is added to SY every argument for GY gets thrown out the window and older (not in the 12 month eligibility window) players will be locked out of playing down. Then all your dreams of GY showcases are gone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Current club system works; 12 month age window, grades don't matter and no advantage to being to older for your grade. Most rec and school soccer are grade based.

This is the same thing as the current 12 month age window. You're just adding a rule that the 13th, 14th, 15th month players must play with their grade. If 13th 14th 15th month players want to play down they can but their parents will need to hold them back in school.

Grade rules = GY. SY will be given a rule way of at least a few years before being blown up for exceptions.

Maybe those countries with 2 year windows are what we should consider

I actually like the 2 year window format. the problem with this is in America clubs want wins. To get wins they'll have 2 year A and 2year B teams. Oldest players would go to the A team and youngest woukd go to the B team. In the end you get exactly the same thing we have now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pretty funny no one is saying the same thing about the 6 months of players playing down right now!

HA!

I love that this was ignored by the kids need to be in the same grade as long as it benefits my kid guy.

ECNL president already publicly said the switch to 8/1 wouldn’t align everyone but will help the vast majority and get rid of current trapped player problem.

[Anonymous]

All this again argues for no rule -- just flexibility that can be exercised at the club level based on individual situations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Current club system works; 12 month age window, grades don't matter and no advantage to being to older for your grade. Most rec and school soccer are grade based.

This is the same thing as the current 12 month age window. You're just adding a rule that the 13th, 14th, 15th month players must play with their grade. If 13th 14th 15th month players want to play down they can but their parents will need to hold them back in school.

Grade rules = GY. SY will be given a rule way of at least a few years before being blown up for exceptions.

Trust me nobody wants GY.

This is SY with a rule that players must play with their grade in school.

What you don't like is if a rule saying players must play with their grade is added to SY every argument for GY gets thrown out the window and older (not in the 12 month eligibility window) players will be locked out of playing down. Then all your dreams of GY showcases are gone.

Fixing a problem that doesn't exist by creating a boatload of problems.

How about GY with a rule that everyone must born 8/1 - 7/31? That doesn't sound like SY does it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Current club system works; 12 month age window, grades don't matter and no advantage to being to older for your grade. Most rec and school soccer are grade based.

This is the same thing as the current 12 month age window. You're just adding a rule that the 13th, 14th, 15th month players must play with their grade. If 13th 14th 15th month players want to play down they can but their parents will need to hold them back in school.

Grade rules = GY. SY will be given a rule way of at least a few years before being blown up for exceptions.

Trust me nobody wants GY.

This is SY with a rule that players must play with their grade in school.

What you don't like is if a rule saying players must play with their grade is added to SY every argument for GY gets thrown out the window and older (not in the 12 month eligibility window) players will be locked out of playing down. Then all your dreams of GY showcases are gone.

Fixing a problem that doesn't exist by creating a boatload of problems.

How about GY with a rule that everyone must born 8/1 - 7/31? That doesn't sound like SY does it?

Haha it is a problem that exists or you wouldn't be pushing for GY showcases. You are such a weasel trying to sneak GY in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Current club system works; 12 month age window, grades don't matter and no advantage to being to older for your grade. Most rec and school soccer are grade based.

This is the same thing as the current 12 month age window. You're just adding a rule that the 13th, 14th, 15th month players must play with their grade. If 13th 14th 15th month players want to play down they can but their parents will need to hold them back in school.

Grade rules = GY. SY will be given a rule way of at least a few years before being blown up for exceptions.

Trust me nobody wants GY.

This is SY with a rule that players must play with their grade in school.

What you don't like is if a rule saying players must play with their grade is added to SY every argument for GY gets thrown out the window and older (not in the 12 month eligibility window) players will be locked out of playing down. Then all your dreams of GY showcases are gone.

If ECNL really cares that much about implementing this to get kids aligned with their grade. I can guarantee you they will add grad year showcases which is what we don’t want because of hold backs.

Again you’re arguing for something you want which will lead to something you don’t. Be careful what you ask for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All this again argues for no rule -- just flexibility that can be exercised at the club level based on individual situations.

Unfortunately this is one of those issues parents dont understand until their kid gets to higher levels and is older.

Another issue is you have many people with ulterior motives ie. the guy trying to sneak GY into showcases.

Leagues owners are sports people they're not brainiacs. Most of what they implement comes from experience or just doing it. They dont really think ahead or make long term plans.

SY with a rule that players must play with their grade completely steps on anyone's GY plans and forces clubs to plan long term instead of short term.

[Anonymous]

Why would they make a rule for a few 100 kids across the country to force them to play up with kids more than 12 months older. If your kid is going to get moved to the second team because there are some august kids a grade older moving to your team then go to another team. This doesn't require some rule that will force some delusional parent of an August kid to hold their kid back a year in school because now they wont be the youngest on the team and will be getting that college scholarship that they already have given away to the academy player from europe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Current club system works; 12 month age window, grades don't matter and no advantage to being to older for your grade. Most rec and school soccer are grade based.

This is the same thing as the current 12 month age window. You're just adding a rule that the 13th, 14th, 15th month players must play with their grade. If 13th 14th 15th month players want to play down they can but their parents will need to hold them back in school.

Grade rules = GY. SY will be given a rule way of at least a few years before being blown up for exceptions.

Trust me nobody wants GY.

This is SY with a rule that players must play with their grade in school.

What you don't like is if a rule saying players must play with their grade is added to SY every argument for GY gets thrown out the window and older (not in the 12 month eligibility window) players will be locked out of playing down. Then all your dreams of GY showcases are gone.

If ECNL really cares that much about implementing this to get kids aligned with their grade. I can guarantee you they will add grad year showcases which is what we don’t want because of hold backs.

Again you’re arguing for something you want which will lead to something you don’t. Be careful what you ask for you.

No ECNL will do is exactly what they do now. Currently u18/u19 plays on the same team.

What you want is u17/u18/u19 on a single team showcase tournaments. Which is essentially GY.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All this again argues for no rule -- just flexibility that can be exercised at the club level based on individual situations.

Unfortunately this is one of those issues parents dont understand until their kid gets to higher levels and is older.

Another issue is you have many people with ulterior motives ie. the guy trying to sneak GY into showcases.

Leagues owners are sports people they're not brainiacs. Most of what they implement comes from experience or just doing it. They dont really think ahead or make long term plans.

SY with a rule that players must play with their grade completely steps on anyone's GY plans and forces clubs to plan long term instead of short term.

Clown talk. Get a job.

[Anonymous]

Simple fact, No hard rule on grade to constrain the league itself. League, Club, coaches, and players all need flexibility within the Aug to July 12 window rule to make their decisions on a case by case and year by year basis