ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please answer Aug man, are you the same person as the SY + 30 man? Yes or no? Can you be honest once?

SY+30 is fundamentally different than this guy's argument. Creating an exception which the person using it views as beneficial is very different than forcing a mandate that creates a percieved hardship.

Ah, but both say their plans achieve this: "Players are aligned 99% by grade and holdbacks are allowed to play down."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please answer Aug man, are you the same person as the SY + 30 man? Yes or no? Can you be honest once?

SY+30 is fundamentally different than this guy's argument. Creating an exception which the person using it views as beneficial is very different than forcing a mandate that creates a percieved hardship.

Ah, but both say their plans achieve this: "Players are aligned 99% by grade and holdbacks are allowed to play down."

"holdbacks aren't allowed to play down"

Neither allow holdbacks to play down because they're both based on SY 8/1-7/31. Either way the oldest player will always be born 8/1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please answer Aug man, are you the same person as the SY + 30 man? Yes or no? Can you be honest once?

SY+30 is fundamentally different than this guy's argument. Creating an exception which the person using it views as beneficial is very different than forcing a mandate that creates a percieved hardship.

SY+30 with 9/1-8/31

Is almost the same thing as

SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that all players must play on a team with their grade.

The first one requires a birth certificate and proof of grade for Aug birthdays. This forces players to play on a team with players their grade. The second one does the same thing, aligns players to their grade. but doesnt require a birth certificate.

Interestingly SY+30 allows Sept, Nov, etc to play down a grade because they're not called out in the +30 window. Just adding a rule to SY saying players must play with their grade is actually more comprehensive because it includes all Aug, Sept, Nov, whatever birthdays. Not letting them play down a grade..

[Anonymous]

And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please answer Aug man, are you the same person as the SY + 30 man? Yes or no? Can you be honest once?

SY+30 is fundamentally different than this guy's argument. Creating an exception which the person using it views as beneficial is very different than forcing a mandate that creates a percieved hardship.

Ah, but both say their plans achieve this: "Players are aligned 99% by grade and holdbacks are allowed to play down."

"holdbacks aren't allowed to play down"

Neither allow holdbacks to play down because they're both based on SY 8/1-7/31. Either way the oldest player will always be born 8/1.

In this context, I believe the poster meant grade holdbacks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

Remember that OG Star Trek episode with 2 characters that had a face that was half black/half white but the colors were reversed for each? Also how one character was nicer and the other more of a jerk?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Correct, but only a year younger Aug Sept Oct etc players could be held back in school and play on the year younger team. This is because they fit in the year younger 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. These players probably started school too early in the first place.

Regular age players woukd not be able to play down by being held back in school. They would be forced to play with their age team which woukd be a level up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Current club system works; 12 month age window, grades don't matter and no advantage to being to older for your grade. Most rec and school soccer are grade based.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Current club system works; 12 month age window, grades don't matter and no advantage to being to older for your grade. Most rec and school soccer are grade based.

Adding a rule to SY that players must play with their grade in school would allow Club and Rec teams to use the same eligibility rules. Also Seasonal Year and Grade in school would be interchangeable. But in both cases holdbacks that were not age eligible would not be able to play down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Current club system works; 12 month age window, grades don't matter and no advantage to being to older for your grade. Most rec and school soccer are grade based.

This is the same thing as the current 12 month age window. You're just adding a rule that the 13th, 14th, 15th month players must play with their grade. If 13th 14th 15th month players want to play down they can but their parents will need to hold them back in school.

[Anonymous]

Mental illness is real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And both dont allow older players to play down. The oldest player will always be 8/1 in every year. Which is the same as SY without a rule that players must play with their grade.

All your doing is aligning the players younger than 8/1-7/31 with their grade in school. If Aug birthday player parents wanted to play down a grade in SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play with their grade in school. They could hold their kid back in school which would align them with the correct grade and lower club team.

And that's exactly what we'll get with a grade rule. Competitive parents in middle school will take the kids to private school for the grade needed. Yeah, maybe not a 2-year difference, but it will expose how this rule will become ineffective and a trojan horse/next step as people push harder for GY.

No you are incorrect. The only players that can play down by being held back in scool are Aug Sept Oct etc birthdays that are younger than the 8/1-7/31 eligibility window. Technically these players should probably be in the grade down either way.

Ahhh now I get it. The players must play with their grade in school rule just makes the youngest players that are 12+ months younger than the oldest players but in the same grade must play on the same team. If the 12+ month younger than the oldest players parents wanted them to play on a younger team their parents could just hold them back in school and they'd be eligible to play on that team.

Current club system works; 12 month age window, grades don't matter and no advantage to being to older for your grade. Most rec and school soccer are grade based.

This is the same thing as the current 12 month age window. You're just adding a rule that the 13th, 14th, 15th month players must play with their grade. If 13th 14th 15th month players want to play down they can but their parents will need to hold them back in school.

Grade rules = GY. SY will be given a rule way of at least a few years before being blown up for exceptions.