Compacted Math- FYI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:compacted math was hastily planned the first year of 2.0 implementation when 3rd grade parents were told all students were being pulled back to on level math. Previously students would be advanced a year (or even 2 years) of math.

MCPS has been planning and piloting a new curriculum for 3-4 years now, correct? One thing the new curriculum was supposed to address was the need for enrichment. What is going on in this county? Why are we still talking about compacted math? Why is curriculum planning so bad?

I think many parents would be fine with moving everyone to math 3, 4, 5 classes in ES if there was a true enriched/honors class where kids in ES could delve deeper into concepts. Kids who are ready can then go into pre-algebra in 6th grade, algebra in 7th, then double up geometry and algebra II in 8th if they want to be able to take linear algebra eventually (a small percentage of kids).

My middle kid did not make the cut for compacted math by 1 point the first year it was implemented (there were only 5 kids in the whole school that qualified), but she was allowed to skip math 6 and go right into IM in 6th grade based on map scores. The county math curriculum is still a mess. It is embarrassing that we don't have a consistent path of enriched math in ES.

They just started with Eureka math this year. Technically they switched some of our kids when COVID hit last spring. Beyond that it was a pilot program at a few select schools.

How each school implements compacted math is different. There was no cut off at our school. One out of three classrooms were compacted math and the highest preforming kids got in with a few who had vocal parents to fill the classroom.

MS this year was based off MAP and grades but on the registration form we could pick Math 6, IM or Algebra. Kids who could be moved up to Algebra parents were contacted and given the option. It really depends on the school how they choose to do it. Some schools may have a cut off, others don't. We have about a dozen kids taking Algebra. More were offered in but some choose not to.

[Anonymous]

Is it 90th percentile of 4th or 5th grade. If they have only covered half of 5th then the latter standard seems crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it 90th percentile of 4th or 5th grade. If they have only covered half of 5th then the latter standard seems crazy.

MAP is an adaptive test, there are three different levels used by MCPS - MAP-P (or MAP- M K-2), MAP-M 2-6, and MAP-M 6+.
All kids take the same "test" in grades 2 through 5, regardless of what course they are in. The test questions adjust based on their past performance.

The percentile score is not a percentage of the material the student got correct, or the percentage of grade level material a student has mastered.

The percentile which shows the student scored as well or better than a certain percentage of students in the norming year that took the test. So a 90th percentile in 5th grade means the student scored as well or better than 90% of the 5th grade students who took the test in the norming year. They calculate scores called RIT scores which take into account the complexity and level of the problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the 5/6 parents saying it was all covered, the linked document earlier shows at least geometry and statistics were omitted.
Here's the geometry that was omitted:
Solve real-world and mathematical problems involving area, surface
area, and volume. (omitted)
● Find the area of right triangles, other triangles, special quadrilaterals,
and polygons and apply to real-world problems. (omitted)
● Find the volume of a right rectangular prism with fractional edge
lengths. (omitted)
● Draw polygons in the coordinate plane given coordinates for the
vertices; use coordinates to find the length of a side joining points with
the same first coordinate or the same second coordinate. (omitted)
● Represent three-dimensional figures using nets made up of rectangles
and triangles, and use the nets to find the surface area of these figures.
(omitted)

My kids school did all of this.

[Anonymous]

Then how would your kid get straight A’s in Math 4/5 -
Literally 100% in every test in class and then get a 68% on the MAP? DS is in this boat and so frustrated. We supplemented but I would have gone test prep / tutoring had I known. It’s beyond frustrating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the 5/6 parents saying it was all covered, the linked document earlier shows at least geometry and statistics were omitted.
Here's the geometry that was omitted:
Solve real-world and mathematical problems involving area, surface
area, and volume. (omitted)
● Find the area of right triangles, other triangles, special quadrilaterals,
and polygons and apply to real-world problems. (omitted)
● Find the volume of a right rectangular prism with fractional edge
lengths. (omitted)
● Draw polygons in the coordinate plane given coordinates for the
vertices; use coordinates to find the length of a side joining points with
the same first coordinate or the same second coordinate. (omitted)
● Represent three-dimensional figures using nets made up of rectangles
and triangles, and use the nets to find the surface area of these figures.
(omitted)

My kids school did all of this.

So where are the schools that covered all the omitted material? No students struggled to master the material even while virtual learning and the teacher was able to move quicker than the rest of the schools. How is that possible? Serious question. No students had issues with WiFi, using Kami, paying attention remotely all year and absorbed all of it. I just find that incredibly unusual and unbelievable. Or maybe all of these schools that covered it all are the same school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the 5/6 parents saying it was all covered, the linked document earlier shows at least geometry and statistics were omitted.
Here's the geometry that was omitted:
Solve real-world and mathematical problems involving area, surface
area, and volume. (omitted)
● Find the area of right triangles, other triangles, special quadrilaterals,
and polygons and apply to real-world problems. (omitted)
● Find the volume of a right rectangular prism with fractional edge
lengths. (omitted)
● Draw polygons in the coordinate plane given coordinates for the
vertices; use coordinates to find the length of a side joining points with
the same first coordinate or the same second coordinate. (omitted)
● Represent three-dimensional figures using nets made up of rectangles
and triangles, and use the nets to find the surface area of these figures.
(omitted)

My kids school did all of this.

So where are the schools that covered all the omitted material? No students struggled to master the material even while virtual learning and the teacher was able to move quicker than the rest of the schools. How is that possible? Serious question. No students had issues with WiFi, using Kami, paying attention remotely all year and absorbed all of it. I just find that incredibly unusual and unbelievable. Or maybe all of these schools that covered it all are the same school.

I'm more curious about the schools that failed to do this since ours seems to have covered the material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Then how would your kid get straight A’s in Math 4/5 -
Literally 100% in every test in class and then get a 68% on the MAP? DS is in this boat and so frustrated. We supplemented but I would have gone test prep / tutoring had I known. It’s beyond frustrating.

Not to mention MCPS was anti any standardized testing this year 6 months ago due to the pandemic. But now it’s vitally important and they are going to use it to phase out accelerated math. It’s really clear to me that this is what is going on. They tried a couple months ago to get rid of the accelerated 6th grade math and that failed so they came up with this scheme instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then how would your kid get straight A’s in Math 4/5 -
Literally 100% in every test in class and then get a 68% on the MAP? DS is in this boat and so frustrated. We supplemented but I would have gone test prep / tutoring had I known. It’s beyond frustrating.

Not to mention MCPS was anti any standardized testing this year 6 months ago due to the pandemic. But now it’s vitally important and they are going to use it to phase out accelerated math. It’s really clear to me that this is what is going on. They tried a couple months ago to get rid of the accelerated 6th grade math and that failed so they came up with this scheme instead.

X1000. This, this, this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it 90th percentile of 4th or 5th grade. If they have only covered half of 5th then the latter standard seems crazy.

MAP is an adaptive test, there are three different levels used by MCPS - MAP-P (or MAP- M K-2), MAP-M 2-6, and MAP-M 6+.
All kids take the same "test" in grades 2 through 5, regardless of what course they are in. The test questions adjust based on their past performance.

The percentile score is not a percentage of the material the student got correct, or the percentage of grade level material a student has mastered.

The percentile which shows the student scored as well or better than a certain percentage of students in the norming year that took the test. So a 90th percentile in 5th grade means the student scored as well or better than 90% of the 5th grade students who took the test in the norming year. They calculate scores called RIT scores which take into account the complexity and level of the problems.

Yes, my question is whether the percentile to continue into 5/6 from 4/5 requires a 90th on the 4th or 5th grade scale. Seems crazy to require spring 5th grade since they haven't completed that material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it 90th percentile of 4th or 5th grade. If they have only covered half of 5th then the latter standard seems crazy.

MAP is an adaptive test, there are three different levels used by MCPS - MAP-P (or MAP- M K-2), MAP-M 2-6, and MAP-M 6+.
All kids take the same "test" in grades 2 through 5, regardless of what course they are in. The test questions adjust based on their past performance.

The percentile score is not a percentage of the material the student got correct, or the percentage of grade level material a student has mastered.

The percentile which shows the student scored as well or better than a certain percentage of students in the norming year that took the test. So a 90th percentile in 5th grade means the student scored as well or better than 90% of the 5th grade students who took the test in the norming year. They calculate scores called RIT scores which take into account the complexity and level of the problems.

Yes, my question is whether the percentile to continue into 5/6 from 4/5 requires a 90th on the 4th or 5th grade scale. Seems crazy to require spring 5th grade since they haven't completed that material.

It’s not a percentage. These are the required scores (kids can meet either score):

MCPS is using the following numbers:

220 in the Fall
Or
238 in the Spring

The kids must meet one of those two score.

There are also 2 other required criteria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it 90th percentile of 4th or 5th grade. If they have only covered half of 5th then the latter standard seems crazy.

MAP is an adaptive test, there are three different levels used by MCPS - MAP-P (or MAP- M K-2), MAP-M 2-6, and MAP-M 6+.
All kids take the same "test" in grades 2 through 5, regardless of what course they are in. The test questions adjust based on their past performance.

The percentile score is not a percentage of the material the student got correct, or the percentage of grade level material a student has mastered.

The percentile which shows the student scored as well or better than a certain percentage of students in the norming year that took the test. So a 90th percentile in 5th grade means the student scored as well or better than 90% of the 5th grade students who took the test in the norming year. They calculate scores called RIT scores which take into account the complexity and level of the problems.

Yes, my question is whether the percentile to continue into 5/6 from 4/5 requires a 90th on the 4th or 5th grade scale. Seems crazy to require spring 5th grade since they haven't completed that material.

No one can answer that. Talk to your school. It is very school dependent. You need to supplement at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it 90th percentile of 4th or 5th grade. If they have only covered half of 5th then the latter standard seems crazy.

MAP is an adaptive test, there are three different levels used by MCPS - MAP-P (or MAP- M K-2), MAP-M 2-6, and MAP-M 6+.
All kids take the same "test" in grades 2 through 5, regardless of what course they are in. The test questions adjust based on their past performance.

The percentile score is not a percentage of the material the student got correct, or the percentage of grade level material a student has mastered.

The percentile which shows the student scored as well or better than a certain percentage of students in the norming year that took the test. So a 90th percentile in 5th grade means the student scored as well or better than 90% of the 5th grade students who took the test in the norming year. They calculate scores called RIT scores which take into account the complexity and level of the problems.

Yes, my question is whether the percentile to continue into 5/6 from 4/5 requires a 90th on the 4th or 5th grade scale. Seems crazy to require spring 5th grade since they haven't completed that material.

No one can answer that. Talk to your school. It is very school dependent. You need to supplement at home.

I disagree. I should not have to supplement my child who is getting As in compact 4/5 just to get a higher score on a standardized test. The point of school is to teach the kids math!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it 90th percentile of 4th or 5th grade. If they have only covered half of 5th then the latter standard seems crazy.

MAP is an adaptive test, there are three different levels used by MCPS - MAP-P (or MAP- M K-2), MAP-M 2-6, and MAP-M 6+.
All kids take the same "test" in grades 2 through 5, regardless of what course they are in. The test questions adjust based on their past performance.

The percentile score is not a percentage of the material the student got correct, or the percentage of grade level material a student has mastered.

The percentile which shows the student scored as well or better than a certain percentage of students in the norming year that took the test. So a 90th percentile in 5th grade means the student scored as well or better than 90% of the 5th grade students who took the test in the norming year. They calculate scores called RIT scores which take into account the complexity and level of the problems.

Yes, my question is whether the percentile to continue into 5/6 from 4/5 requires a 90th on the 4th or 5th grade scale. Seems crazy to require spring 5th grade since they haven't completed that material.

No one can answer that. Talk to your school. It is very school dependent. You need to supplement at home.

I disagree. I should not have to supplement my child who is getting As in compact 4/5 just to get a higher score on a standardized test. The point of school is to teach the kids math!!

Amen. And if my kid is getting good grades in math (not a subjective class) this should reflect on the MAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Then how would your kid get straight A’s in Math 4/5 -
Literally 100% in every test in class and then get a 68% on the MAP? DS is in this boat and so frustrated. We supplemented but I would have gone test prep / tutoring had I known. It’s beyond frustrating.

Not to mention MCPS was anti any standardized testing this year 6 months ago due to the pandemic. But now it’s vitally important and they are going to use it to phase out accelerated math. It’s really clear to me that this is what is going on. They tried a couple months ago to get rid of the accelerated 6th grade math and that failed so they came up with this scheme instead.

I think you are spot on. Why has the math curriculum been so effed up since 2.0? I have older kids, so, I know math pre-2.0 wasn't perfect, but, at least MCPS recognized that because we have math/science magnet programs at both the MS and HS level and some comprehensive high schools offer linear algebra, there is a need to offer some sort of accelerated math program in ES and MS.