UVA Early Action

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Anonymous wrote:So I had a kid enter UVA in 2009. He had a 1970 SAT on the old scale, which I just calculated would be a 1360 on the new scale. He was below the mean on the SAT both then and now by about the same amount.

Why is everybody saying that admissions are so much more competitive now, then? Yes, there are more applications, but the stats for those admitted and enrolling haven't changed all that much.

Yes, the statistics have changed dramatically. The entire world of college admissions has changed in just the last few years, not to mention the eleven years ago. My DD recently graduated. She would not get into UVA today, I am confident. Her GPA and test scores are too low for a white student from NOVA.

If you are applying from NoVA for UVA you need to be in the top ten percent of your class although some college counselors now say top five percent. The 75th percentile GPA of ENROLLED students last fall was a 4.48; median was 4.34 and 25th percentile was a 4.20. ACTs were 34 at the 75th percentile. SAT was 1480 at the 75th percentile. A 1360 would place around the 35th percentile of enrolled students. BUT, the lower percentiles are predominantly used for URMs, low-income, first-generation, unusually talents, athletes, legacies, and other special interest groups. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Yes, this is a good thing, there is not a dearth of great public schools in Virginia. Quite the opposite, other than California we have an amazing group of colleges here in Virginia. Getting into our state flagship should be for our best in the state and followed by great out of state students. Welcome to the real world, NOVA is not the center of the universe, there are many deserving kids in other parts of Virginia that are honestly more than worthy of admittance than NOVA kids, Virginia is more than the DCUM world.

DP. I see your point; however, as a STATE school, UVA needs to admit more in-state than OOS. I realize they already do, but perhaps they need to lower the OOS admits more. Taxpayers should be benefiting over OOS.

State universities use OOS students to balance the books. They pay an amount on average higher than the cost of attendance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the bitterly disappointed and jealous parents: you should have worked to get your state legislature to insist on increasing the class size.

UVA is landlocked and can't grow much at all. The city has grown up around it. That's why the legislature is pumping money into the other universities and why Virginia has 40 other great options to chose from. The one time I am aware of a representative introducing a bill to enlarge the class, the bill never made it out of committee. It was for show only to the constituents

Nope.

JMU expanded significantly and I believe it gets less money per student than any other Virginia public college.

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I suspect it’s UVA. About a decade ago, UVA offered to start privatizing and taking less money from the Commonwealth in exchange for more autonomy. That mice has been very successful. Today it receives only 6 percent of its operating fund from the Commonwealth.

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“That move has been successful”. Sorry. Tapping on small phone

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Anonymous wrote:“That move has been successful”. Sorry. Tapping on small phone

I like the successful mouse better

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the bitterly disappointed and jealous parents: you should have worked to get your state legislature to insist on increasing the class size.

UVA is landlocked and can't grow much at all. The city has grown up around it. That's why the legislature is pumping money into the other universities and why Virginia has 40 other great options to chose from. The one time I am aware of a representative introducing a bill to enlarge the class, the bill never made it out of committee. It was for show only to the constituents

Nope.

JMU expanded significantly and I believe it gets less money per student than any other Virginia public college.

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I suspect it’s UVA. About a decade ago, UVA offered to start privatizing and taking less money from the Commonwealth in exchange for more autonomy. That mice has been very successful. Today it receives only 6 percent of its operating fund from the Commonwealth.

No, JMU gets substantially less on a per in-state student basis. My point was, if the schools grow, like JMU did, they can't guarantee they will get correspondingly more from the state. Here are the numbers:

Institution In-State FTE Enrollment General Fund Appropriation GF per FTE
Norfolk State University 3,645 $58,802,816 $16,132
Virginia State University 3,056 $44,982,297 $14,719
University of Virginia 14,294 $150,498,551 $10,529
William & Mary 5,105 $48,255,414 $9,453
Virginia Commonwealth University 23,902 $224,583,999 $9,396
Old Dominion University 17,358 $151,806,536 $8,746
University of Mary Washington 3,887 $32,284,770 $8,306
Virginia Tech 23,146 $191,215,607 $8,261
Longwood University 4,160 $33,227,949 $7,987
Radford University 8,067 $62,485,517 $7,746
Christopher Newport University 4,498 $34,150,888 $7,592
George Mason University 24,905 $165,889,872 $6,661
James Madison University 15,929 $93,924,239 $5,896

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I had a kid enter UVA in 2009. He had a 1970 SAT on the old scale, which I just calculated would be a 1360 on the new scale. He was below the mean on the SAT both then and now by about the same amount.

Why is everybody saying that admissions are so much more competitive now, then? Yes, there are more applications, but the stats for those admitted and enrolling haven't changed all that much.

Yes, the statistics have changed dramatically. The entire world of college admissions has changed in just the last few years, not to mention the eleven years ago. My DD recently graduated. She would not get into UVA today, I am confident. Her GPA and test scores are too low for a white student from NOVA.

If you are applying from NoVA for UVA you need to be in the top ten percent of your class although some college counselors now say top five percent. The 75th percentile GPA of ENROLLED students last fall was a 4.48; median was 4.34 and 25th percentile was a 4.20. ACTs were 34 at the 75th percentile. SAT was 1480 at the 75th percentile. A 1360 would place around the 35th percentile of enrolled students. BUT, the lower percentiles are predominantly used for URMs, low-income, first-generation, unusually talents, athletes, legacies, and other special interest groups. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Yes, this is a good thing, there is not a dearth of great public schools in Virginia. Quite the opposite, other than California we have an amazing group of colleges here in Virginia. Getting into our state flagship should be for our best in the state and followed by great out of state students. Welcome to the real world, NOVA is not the center of the universe, there are many deserving kids in other parts of Virginia that are honestly more than worthy of admittance than NOVA kids, Virginia is more than the DCUM world.

DP. I see your point; however, as a STATE school, UVA needs to admit more in-state than OOS. I realize they already do, but perhaps they need to lower the OOS admits more. Taxpayers should be benefiting over OOS.

Go away. There are many other very high-quality in-state options, and UVA is staying in its top-tier public status by maintaining its standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“That move has been successful”. Sorry. Tapping on small phone

I like the successful mouse better

Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I had a kid enter UVA in 2009. He had a 1970 SAT on the old scale, which I just calculated would be a 1360 on the new scale. He was below the mean on the SAT both then and now by about the same amount.

Why is everybody saying that admissions are so much more competitive now, then? Yes, there are more applications, but the stats for those admitted and enrolling haven't changed all that much.

Yes, the statistics have changed dramatically. The entire world of college admissions has changed in just the last few years, not to mention the eleven years ago. My DD recently graduated. She would not get into UVA today, I am confident. Her GPA and test scores are too low for a white student from NOVA.

If you are applying from NoVA for UVA you need to be in the top ten percent of your class although some college counselors now say top five percent. The 75th percentile GPA of ENROLLED students last fall was a 4.48; median was 4.34 and 25th percentile was a 4.20. ACTs were 34 at the 75th percentile. SAT was 1480 at the 75th percentile. A 1360 would place around the 35th percentile of enrolled students. BUT, the lower percentiles are predominantly used for URMs, low-income, first-generation, unusually talents, athletes, legacies, and other special interest groups. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Yes, this is a good thing, there is not a dearth of great public schools in Virginia. Quite the opposite, other than California we have an amazing group of colleges here in Virginia. Getting into our state flagship should be for our best in the state and followed by great out of state students. Welcome to the real world, NOVA is not the center of the universe, there are many deserving kids in other parts of Virginia that are honestly more than worthy of admittance than NOVA kids, Virginia is more than the DCUM world.

DP. I see your point; however, as a STATE school, UVA needs to admit more in-state than OOS. I realize they already do, but perhaps they need to lower the OOS admits more. Taxpayers should be benefiting over OOS.

Go away. There are many other very high-quality in-state options, and UVA is staying in its top-tier public status by maintaining its standards.

“Go away”? What are you, six? Yes, VA definitely does have lots of high quality state schools. But the point is that there are many more qualified students in VA who should be admitted to UVA over OOS students.

[Anonymous]

DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

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Anonymous wrote:DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

That stings. Your DC sounds amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

DC sounds very accomplished. Private or public school? Do you think that makes a difference?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

Your kid is awesome. And it is very odd he was denied. Consider it UVA’s loss. I am sure he will have other excellent options.

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Anonymous wrote:DC had an 800 math SAT (total 1520), non-academic EC activities included a national title and min 20 hrs/week, attended a Gov STEM School and summer GOV school in performing arts, And is a legacy - rejected from UVA (GPA < 4.3 prior to Sr yr, Asian and from NoVa). Dean J's blogs that tell students that there is no minimum GPA, that it is about the whole student, and that there are no quotas are a little hard to believe...What's sad amongst other things is that DC would not have spent time getting wasted at fraternity/sorority parties and has exactly the integrity UVA's honor system would desire.

Does GPA < 4.3 mean your child's GPA was less than 4.3? If so, what was GPA?

[Anonymous]

Your child sounds deserving and accomplished, sorry that he didn't get accepted.

[Anonymous]

DP. I see your point; however, as a STATE school, UVA needs to admit more in-state than OOS. I realize they already do, but perhaps they need to lower the OOS admits more. Taxpayers should be benefiting over OOS.

Go away. There are many other very high-quality in-state options, and UVA is staying in its top-tier public status by maintaining its standards.

“Go away”? What are you, six? Yes, VA definitely does have lots of high quality state schools. But the point is that there are many more qualified students in VA who should be admitted to UVA over OOS students.

What if the OOS kids are part of the attraction? I mean, maybe UVA wouldn't be as desirable without my OOS kid (who was admitted to honors with very high stats, excellent ECs and leadership, and an all-around lovely person? I mean, if you leave out the OOS kids, maybe UVA doesn't look quite as amazing.