Why don't people want to go to tj just because there are "too many" asians?

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Anonymous wrote:^^ My White kid is also graduating from TJ this year. No legacy admissions lined up (anywhere I would want my kid to attend). Saving like heck to pay college, but still needed in state or merit. My kid went through the Carson feeder pipeline and I used to like and defend the Asian parenting mentality. Kids work hard, focus on education, parents are actively involved, kids stay out of trouble. It was a peer group I wanted for my own kids. I still think the kids make great peers.

But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

The academics at TJ are first rate. The kids are first rate. A lot of their parents are not. I think it has done my kid good to have the experience of being a minority. I think seeing how some of the “adults” like PP has been very eye opening to him. I find it disgusting. I certainly am much less comfortable with Asian parents and Asian parenting than I was 4 years ago. Then again, so are many of the Asian kids talking in the backseat of my car during carpools.

white supremacy entitlement? couldn't find a better term to describe this post.

You aren’t familiar with the term “honesty”?

Then be honest and describe specifically what you mean by the above. You haven't provided any substantial information. I doubt TJ Asians are more racist than TJ whites. Maybe TJ Asians are just more honest and say it as is without hiding and fake smiles (which is something white people often do in well to do areas around here).

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Anonymous wrote:How many of you folks commenting on this thread actually have a kid at TJ?

I do. And I would think long and hard before sending my kid to be the lone white face in the class. It’s lonely and worse.

Lone white face ? Congrats on the troll post of the day!

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Anonymous wrote:How many of you folks commenting on this thread actually have a kid at TJ?

I do. And I would think long and hard before sending my kid to be the lone white face in the class. It’s lonely and worse.

Lone white face ? Congrats on the troll post of the day!

TJ has around 20% white population. So she probably thinks her snowflake is the whitest of all whites.

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But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

As an Asian-American who has immigrant parents, this doesn't ring true to me. From my perspective, it always seemed like Asians would have rather associated with whites, but whites weren't interested in associating outside of their race (for the most part...of course, there are exceptions). And subtle (and not so subtle) racist interactions are painful, so it's just more comfortable to associate within your own race, especially when there is a language barrier. I think the only part of your comment about that rings true to me is the part about believing Asian culture is superior, but only in relation to nutrition. Asians think their eating habits are better because their food is more fresh and less processed. I do admit, there is a superiority complex about that. But doesn't every race think they're better for one reason or another? In the words of Rodney King, can't we all just get along?

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But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

As an Asian-American who has immigrant parents, this doesn't ring true to me. From my perspective, it always seemed like Asians would have rather associated with whites, but whites weren't interested in associating outside of their race (for the most part...of course, there are exceptions). And subtle (and not so subtle) racist interactions are painful, so it's just more comfortable to associate within your own race, especially when there is a language barrier. I think the only part of your comment about that rings true to me is the part about believing Asian culture is superior, but only in relation to nutrition. Asians think their eating habits are better because their food is more fresh and less processed. I do admit, there is a superiority complex about that. But doesn't every race think they're better for one reason or another? In the words of Rodney King, can't we all just get along?

Too many Asian TJ parents think “getting along“ means perpetuating a school that admits next to no blacks and Hispanics, where the Asian kids often stick to themselves, and where every call for FCPS to take a look at the impact that TJ has had on other schools and the surrounding neighborhoods is met with hostility and allegations of racism. It is beyond toxic and eventually our leaders will stop pandering. Replacing Moon on the School Board was a step in the right direction.

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I don't understand why the poor children of any ethnicity don't get a chance to attend. I've encountered plenty of very smart kids from poor backgrounds in my life.

[Anonymous]

TJ parent here (white, from Title I feeder, kid loves TJ, plenty of friends)

I am sorry to hear all this. From my perspective going through the Title I schools, the root cause of the lack of diversity at TJ starts in ES AAP. Our ES had a local Level IV with lots of support from principal. Very good at identifying FARMS kids who would benefit from AAP services (often joint with ESOL!).

FCPS needs to put a full time AART and Local Level IV in all Title I ES and get creative with identifying the kids in ESOL program who have potential for AAP.

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TJ parents should not be deciding the school’s future use. It gets an outsized amount of attention and resources, yet 96-97% of FCPS students derive no benefit from TJ and many are affirmatively injured by having to attend schools further from their homes or that are unnecessarily overcrowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TJ parent here (white, from Title I feeder, kid loves TJ, plenty of friends)

I am sorry to hear all this. From my perspective going through the Title I schools, the root cause of the lack of diversity at TJ starts in ES AAP. Our ES had a local Level IV with lots of support from principal. Very good at identifying FARMS kids who would benefit from AAP services (often joint with ESOL!).

FCPS needs to put a full time AART and Local Level IV in all Title I ES and get creative with identifying the kids in ESOL program who have potential for AAP.

Again and again, FCPS has tried to "fix" diversity enrollment in TJ for years. It's not just having the smarts. It's having the home support. And then FCPS goes off and makes decisions like decreasing, to almost eliminating, within FCPS transportation to TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TJ parents should not be deciding the school’s future use. It gets an outsized amount of attention and resources, yet 96-97% of FCPS students derive no benefit from TJ and many are affirmatively injured by having to attend schools further from their homes or that are unnecessarily overcrowded.

If you feel this way, run for the school board. Don't just vent here.. be the change!

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But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

As an Asian-American who has immigrant parents, this doesn't ring true to me. From my perspective, it always seemed like Asians would have rather associated with whites, but whites weren't interested in associating outside of their race (for the most part...of course, there are exceptions). And subtle (and not so subtle) racist interactions are painful, so it's just more comfortable to associate within your own race, especially when there is a language barrier. I think the only part of your comment about that rings true to me is the part about believing Asian culture is superior, but only in relation to nutrition. Asians think their eating habits are better because their food is more fresh and less processed. I do admit, there is a superiority complex about that. But doesn't every race think they're better for one reason or another? In the words of Rodney King, can't we all just get along?

Of course you don’t get it.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ parents should not be deciding the school’s future use. It gets an outsized amount of attention and resources, yet 96-97% of FCPS students derive no benefit from TJ and many are affirmatively injured by having to attend schools further from their homes or that are unnecessarily overcrowded.

If you feel this way, run for the school board. Don't just vent here.. be the change!

It would be odd if the current School Board, composed entirely of members who pledged their support of "One Fairfax," didn't take a hard look at TJ from both an equity and an efficiency perspective during their term.

The biggest cheerleader for TJ (Ilryong Moon) was tossed aside last year and denied an endorsement. That's a harbinger of things to come if this Board doesn't do its job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many of you folks commenting on this thread actually have a kid at TJ?

I do. And I would think long and hard before sending my kid to be the lone white face in the class. It’s lonely and worse.

so why did you send him/her there?

I didn’t realize how bad it would be. 13-14 is a tender age and a lot of HS is learning about social interactions. TJ was far from our house so a lot of time lost in commuting. Then all the time lost on the weekends to homework. And the social scene was very difficult with 90% Asians and every club dance after school etc dominated by this. It just wasn’t worth it. In my neighborhood everyone says “no thank you!” To TJ but we had just moved here and didn’t know better. It wasn’t worth it for us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many of you folks commenting on this thread actually have a kid at TJ?

I do. And I would think long and hard before sending my kid to be the lone white face in the class. It’s lonely and worse.

so why did you send him/her there?

I didn’t realize how bad it would be. 13-14 is a tender age and a lot of HS is learning about social interactions. TJ was far from our house so a lot of time lost in commuting. Then all the time lost on the weekends to homework. And the social scene was very difficult with 90% Asians and every club dance after school etc dominated by this. It just wasn’t worth it. In my neighborhood everyone says “no thank you!” To TJ but we had just moved here and didn’t know better. It wasn’t worth it for us.

Very different from my white kids experience. Commute yeah, but weekends lost to homework and "90% Asians" domination of EC wasn't a reason not to participate even if it was true. Not disputing your kids experience, just not a universal one.

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But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

As an Asian-American who has immigrant parents, this doesn't ring true to me. From my perspective, it always seemed like Asians would have rather associated with whites, but whites weren't interested in associating outside of their race (for the most part...of course, there are exceptions). And subtle (and not so subtle) racist interactions are painful, so it's just more comfortable to associate within your own race, especially when there is a language barrier. I think the only part of your comment about that rings true to me is the part about believing Asian culture is superior, but only in relation to nutrition. Asians think their eating habits are better because their food is more fresh and less processed. I do admit, there is a superiority complex about that. But doesn't every race think they're better for one reason or another? In the words of Rodney King, can't we all just get along?

Too many Asian TJ parents think “getting along“ means perpetuating a school that admits next to no blacks and Hispanics, where the Asian kids often stick to themselves, and where every call for FCPS to take a look at the impact that TJ has had on other schools and the surrounding neighborhoods is met with hostility and allegations of racism. It is beyond toxic and eventually our leaders will stop pandering. Replacing Moon on the School Board was a step in the right direction.

You are just projecting your insecurities and wrong perception on an entire community which is inherently racist by itself. We (as in Asians) do not actively preach or propagate racism of any sort. If fighting for a program that provides a higher level of education for our children is extrapolated using convoluted logic as racist, that's just moronic.

Here are the facts:
- Homes get rezoned all the time across the county. FCPS does provide bus service to schools. So I see the "kids can't walk to school" as a non-issue.
- TJ is open to EVERYONE who has an interest in STEM, willing to show STEM interest, and willing to put in a LOT of effort during the 4 years of school. I didn't make up the rules for admission. No Asian did. Change the rules to suit your convenience. No kid at TJ is actively building barricades to keep Blacks and Hispanics out. Fix the system without being jealous of the current beneficiaries, most of who are first gen immigrants who worked their ass off to be where they are today without handouts.
- Kids in a school tend to hangout with other kids in the school. Just so happens most of the kids in that school are Asian. What do you want them to do? Walk out on the street looking for non-Asians to hang out with? How can they "stick to themselves" if "themselves" are all there is?!?!
- Issues of equity need to be addressed across the system. As another posters have pointed out, a lot of programs have been put in place to fix the perceived inequity with no results. Why not make AAP pervasive? Everyone has access to it at all schools. See what that does. How do we pay for it? increase taxes. I'd gladly pay. I'm sure you would too.

At the end of the day we live in a capitalistic democracy (at least for now). Merit and hard work that made this country great still work. TJ is an institution where this manifests itself. Do we need to accommodate others who are less fortunate? Absolutely! Let's figure that out! That's equitable.
Do we we need to accommodate others that are less able in the name of equity? Absolutely not! They will eventually drag the institution down.

Before you jump on me and call me racist, I have 2 kids - one fitting the able category that goes to TJ and the other less able that's going to a base HS. No shame in that.

Shutting institutions that don't comply with your worldview is just a communist way of doing things. Disagreeing with that is not racist..