Why don't people want to go to tj just because there are "too many" asians?

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Anonymous wrote:Equity - so how much does FCPS spend not getting it right on the other end of the spectrum? Are you prepared to take money from those programs? Plenty SPED folks think the county isn't doing nearly what it should, but I never hear the argument of taking money away from those programs. Wasn't "equity" the reason no one was allowed to learn for 4 weeks?
And if some form of racial equity isn't happening, it's not bc of the TJ admissions process. It's systemic in our society and until those issue are fixed. If you are going single out TJ for not getting it right, there's a whole long list for FCPS to address. At least to a very large extent, TJ IS working.

This! As another posted pointed out, it's not like parents of kids that don't attend today are banging on the doors asking to be admitted. Most kids that aren't going there today (but could) won't. What do people think will happen if TJ is gone? More money to base schools? TJ teachers spread across FCPS? possibly..

All the Asians you guys whine about will end up at base schools and take up those resources, increase "competition" at base schools and lead to more whining..just a different tune. Education begins at home. Unless you change that, none of this social engineering will matter.

I don't really care if there is TJ or not. If TJ was gone, my kids would absolutely be among the most competitive at their base school.

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Anonymous wrote:How many of you folks commenting on this thread actually have a kid at TJ?

I do. And I would think long and hard before sending my kid to be the lone white face in the class. It’s lonely and worse.

so why did you send him/her there?

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Anonymous wrote:I would rather see less money spent on building a better mousetrap (TJ) and more money spent on building a better house (FCPS).

It will not be easy for the School Board to take on that task because TJ boosters are politically active and returning TJ to its original, intended use will require boundary adjustments. And TJ serves as a crutch. No matter what the other challenges are within FCPS, the School Board can always point to TJ as evidence that "they must be doing something right."

But FCPS can't have it both ways. It cannot be a school system that purports to care about equity and then operate a school that affords a very small percentage of students access to opportunities to which the overwhelming majority of students, including many who would take advantage of such opportunities if available, are denied. To fail to take a hard look at the costs and benefits of operating TJ is to abdicate several of the School Board's most important responsibilities.

I don't believe FCPS would wisely spend the money if you take it away from TJ, I think they are already wasting lots of money and resources towards things like the latest "tech", "testing programs", and lots of private educational "consultants" and corporations. They should take that money which is on the order of Millions, and put it where their mouth is, namely on supporting education for the most disadvantaged students.

Second, let's be honest here, the "overwhelming majority" of students in the county likely wouldn't succeed at a place like TJ even if they had the opportunity to go there. I know it doesn't sound right, but it's a hard and uncomfortable truth.

I actually agree that TJ is one of the things they are getting right, at least when it comes to providing a fantastic math and science program. But that doesn't mean it would work for all students.

TJ has never lacked for those defending its elitism and coming up with arguments to emphasize its benefits and ignore its costs. They will never engage as to whether having 1500 county kids in a school that has 1800 but could accommodate 2100 or more is fair when FCPS has numerous schools that are too crowded. "Equity" to them means only that they get what they think they deserve.

Those defenders have an outsized influence on FCPS and other decision-makers in the county. They need to step back and objectively decide whether they want FCPS to be known for one high school or 25.

You want to shut down a school just because FCPS can't figure out how to do proper growth and capacity planning to fix overcrowded schools?

TJ was closed as a neighborhood school and opened as a magnet when enrollments were declining and it seemed like a catchy idea.

With our now facing growing enrollments and overcrowded schools, it's a vanity project that does not efficiently serve county students. It should not be closed, but it should be returned to neighborhood use.

You do know there are kids who - involuntarily - now have to cross both 395 and 495 to get to their high school when they could walk to Jefferson, not to mention the crappy modulars and trailers at other schools.

And you do know that ALL of their parents knew about this when they bought their house?? I'm sure they all take the school bus and not risking their lives crossing the '95s on foot..

Wrong. That decision was made less than a decade ago when Annandale got too crowded, the delayed effect of closing Jefferson, and kids were moved to Edison (also turning the middle school that is 1/2 mile from TJ into a split feeder).

But thanks for establishing (1) you don't know what you're talking about and (2) even if you did, you'd happily accept an inferior outcome for others as long as you get yours.

You are right on (1) AND (2). Don't really care either. I'll care about others when others care about me.. Most of white people bitching here have legacy admissions lined up and/or money saved up for private college. They just whine about TJ because their kids can't go there AND have a good time. Most of the minorities that are not Asian can pretty much walk into any high-end school if they just apply themselves a bit. (Not sure why they are complaining) No one cares about me or my kids as an Asian. I get like "take one for the greater good" BS. Take care of yourself and yours however you can, and I will mine.

Are your kids also like this, or it just you?

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Anonymous wrote:How many of you folks commenting on this thread actually have a kid at TJ?

I do. And I would think long and hard before sending my kid to be the lone white face in the class. It’s lonely and worse.

Not surprised. There is some serious racism towards those who don’t fit the profile of the majority at TJ. You only need read this thread to see it on abundant display.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg I thought u were talking about Trader Joe’s and got super confused by your post title.

LOL!!

You’re not far off- I thought they were talking about TJ Max...

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^^ My White kid is also graduating from TJ this year. No legacy admissions lined up (anywhere I would want my kid to attend). Saving like heck to pay college, but still needed in state or merit. My kid went through the Carson feeder pipeline and I used to like and defend the Asian parenting mentality. Kids work hard, focus on education, parents are actively involved, kids stay out of trouble. It was a peer group I wanted for my own kids. I still think the kids make great peers.

But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

The academics at TJ are first rate. The kids are first rate. A lot of their parents are not. I think it has done my kid good to have the experience of being a minority. I think seeing how some of the “adults” like PP has been very eye opening to him. I find it disgusting. I certainly am much less comfortable with Asian parents and Asian parenting than I was 4 years ago. Then again, so are many of the Asian kids talking in the backseat of my car during carpools.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ My White kid is also graduating from TJ this year. No legacy admissions lined up (anywhere I would want my kid to attend). Saving like heck to pay college, but still needed in state or merit. My kid went through the Carson feeder pipeline and I used to like and defend the Asian parenting mentality. Kids work hard, focus on education, parents are actively involved, kids stay out of trouble. It was a peer group I wanted for my own kids. I still think the kids make great peers.

But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

The academics at TJ are first rate. The kids are first rate. A lot of their parents are not. I think it has done my kid good to have the experience of being a minority. I think seeing how some of the “adults” like PP has been very eye opening to him. I find it disgusting. I certainly am much less comfortable with Asian parents and Asian parenting than I was 4 years ago. Then again, so are many of the Asian kids talking in the backseat of my car during carpools.

No school is as white as TJ is Asian (72%). White enrollments:

Madison 64%
Langley 63%
Robinson 58%
McLean 53%
Woodson 50%
West Springfield 48%
Lake Braddock 47%
Marshall 47%
Oakton 45%
South Lakes 45%
Fairfax 38%
South County 38%
West Potomac 37%
Westfield 37%
Chantilly 36%
Centreville 31%
Herndon 31%
Hayfield 30%
Edison 25%
Justice 22%
TJ 19%
Falls Church 18%
Mount Vernon 17%
Lee 15%
Annandale 14%

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Anonymous wrote:^^ My White kid is also graduating from TJ this year. No legacy admissions lined up (anywhere I would want my kid to attend). Saving like heck to pay college, but still needed in state or merit. My kid went through the Carson feeder pipeline and I used to like and defend the Asian parenting mentality. Kids work hard, focus on education, parents are actively involved, kids stay out of trouble. It was a peer group I wanted for my own kids. I still think the kids make great peers.

But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

The academics at TJ are first rate. The kids are first rate. A lot of their parents are not. I think it has done my kid good to have the experience of being a minority. I think seeing how some of the “adults” like PP has been very eye opening to him. I find it disgusting. I certainly am much less comfortable with Asian parents and Asian parenting than I was 4 years ago. Then again, so are many of the Asian kids talking in the backseat of my car during carpools.

What racism? Examples? Don’t tell me it’s because you lost the sense of entitlement and superiority any more like you used to have.

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I recently watched 'Asian American' documentary on PBS, given how much direct/indirect discrimination/unfairness asian experienced in this country, how much hard work asian put in to gain a place in this country, it is appalling that all these people are still trying to target a great school just because of its racial mix. I bet no one would say anything if the school's majority are white.

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Anonymous wrote:How many of you folks commenting on this thread actually have a kid at TJ?

I do. And I would think long and hard before sending my kid to be the lone white face in the class. It’s lonely and worse.

Isn't this statement kinda racist?

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Anonymous wrote:^^ My White kid is also graduating from TJ this year. No legacy admissions lined up (anywhere I would want my kid to attend). Saving like heck to pay college, but still needed in state or merit. My kid went through the Carson feeder pipeline and I used to like and defend the Asian parenting mentality. Kids work hard, focus on education, parents are actively involved, kids stay out of trouble. It was a peer group I wanted for my own kids. I still think the kids make great peers.

But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

The academics at TJ are first rate. The kids are first rate. A lot of their parents are not. I think it has done my kid good to have the experience of being a minority. I think seeing how some of the “adults” like PP has been very eye opening to him. I find it disgusting. I certainly am much less comfortable with Asian parents and Asian parenting than I was 4 years ago. Then again, so are many of the Asian kids talking in the backseat of my car during carpools.

No school is as white as TJ is Asian (72%). White enrollments:

Madison 64%
Langley 63%
Robinson 58%
McLean 53%
Woodson 50%
West Springfield 48%
Lake Braddock 47%
Marshall 47%
Oakton 45%
South Lakes 45%
Fairfax 38%
South County 38%
West Potomac 37%
Westfield 37%
Chantilly 36%
Centreville 31%
Herndon 31%
Hayfield 30%
Edison 25%
Justice 22%
TJ 19%
Falls Church 18%
Mount Vernon 17%
Lee 15%
Annandale 14%

And what am I supposed to do with these numbers?

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Anonymous wrote:^^ My White kid is also graduating from TJ this year. No legacy admissions lined up (anywhere I would want my kid to attend). Saving like heck to pay college, but still needed in state or merit. My kid went through the Carson feeder pipeline and I used to like and defend the Asian parenting mentality. Kids work hard, focus on education, parents are actively involved, kids stay out of trouble. It was a peer group I wanted for my own kids. I still think the kids make great peers.

But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

The academics at TJ are first rate. The kids are first rate. A lot of their parents are not. I think it has done my kid good to have the experience of being a minority. I think seeing how some of the “adults” like PP has been very eye opening to him. I find it disgusting. I certainly am much less comfortable with Asian parents and Asian parenting than I was 4 years ago. Then again, so are many of the Asian kids talking in the backseat of my car during carpools.

I'm not sure what you mean by "unwillingness to consider American cultural norms"? Not share a happy meal with you? Please be more specific.

As for "sense of academic entitlement", it's exactly the same as yours! Why are you not considered to have the same "sense of academic entitlement" when your kid and mine did the exact same things and went to TJ. In fact, mine did not go through a major feeder like Carson. Didn't even want to go to TJ until 8th grade and then decided to.. yeah, there are many asian kids like that.

The rest of your assessment shows your skewed view of things.. We are in the exact same boat as you.. saving furiously for college. No legacy hook anywhere, not just where DS wants to go. No possibility of an inheritance or grandparents paying into 529 either (not saying you have it, but you could). On top of that, we suffer the asian penalty. On average we need a higher SAT score and GPA than your kid to get into the same school. How's that fair? Why is that not a racist system? And you have the audacity to call ME racist? Unbelievable!

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Anonymous wrote:^^ My White kid is also graduating from TJ this year. No legacy admissions lined up (anywhere I would want my kid to attend). Saving like heck to pay college, but still needed in state or merit. My kid went through the Carson feeder pipeline and I used to like and defend the Asian parenting mentality. Kids work hard, focus on education, parents are actively involved, kids stay out of trouble. It was a peer group I wanted for my own kids. I still think the kids make great peers.

But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

The academics at TJ are first rate. The kids are first rate. A lot of their parents are not. I think it has done my kid good to have the experience of being a minority. I think seeing how some of the “adults” like PP has been very eye opening to him. I find it disgusting. I certainly am much less comfortable with Asian parents and Asian parenting than I was 4 years ago. Then again, so are many of the Asian kids talking in the backseat of my car during carpools.

white supremacy entitlement? couldn't find a better term to describe this post.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ My White kid is also graduating from TJ this year. No legacy admissions lined up (anywhere I would want my kid to attend). Saving like heck to pay college, but still needed in state or merit. My kid went through the Carson feeder pipeline and I used to like and defend the Asian parenting mentality. Kids work hard, focus on education, parents are actively involved, kids stay out of trouble. It was a peer group I wanted for my own kids. I still think the kids make great peers.

But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

The academics at TJ are first rate. The kids are first rate. A lot of their parents are not. I think it has done my kid good to have the experience of being a minority. I think seeing how some of the “adults” like PP has been very eye opening to him. I find it disgusting. I certainly am much less comfortable with Asian parents and Asian parenting than I was 4 years ago. Then again, so are many of the Asian kids talking in the backseat of my car during carpools.

I'm not sure what you mean by "unwillingness to consider American cultural norms"? Not share a happy meal with you? Please be more specific.

As for "sense of academic entitlement", it's exactly the same as yours! Why are you not considered to have the same "sense of academic entitlement" when your kid and mine did the exact same things and went to TJ. In fact, mine did not go through a major feeder like Carson. Didn't even want to go to TJ until 8th grade and then decided to.. yeah, there are many asian kids like that.

The rest of your assessment shows your skewed view of things.. We are in the exact same boat as you.. saving furiously for college. No legacy hook anywhere, not just where DS wants to go. No possibility of an inheritance or grandparents paying into 529 either (not saying you have it, but you could). On top of that, we suffer the asian penalty. On average we need a higher SAT score and GPA than your kid to get into the same school. How's that fair? Why is that not a racist system? And you have the audacity to call ME racist? Unbelievable!

Her American culture is probably white dominating everything. So how dare the Asians be un-american and dominate the whites in the best high school in the whole country?

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Anonymous wrote:^^ My White kid is also graduating from TJ this year. No legacy admissions lined up (anywhere I would want my kid to attend). Saving like heck to pay college, but still needed in state or merit. My kid went through the Carson feeder pipeline and I used to like and defend the Asian parenting mentality. Kids work hard, focus on education, parents are actively involved, kids stay out of trouble. It was a peer group I wanted for my own kids. I still think the kids make great peers.

But TJ opened my eyes to how racist and clannish many Asian parents are. There is a definitely a Master Race/ superior culture/ unwillingness to consider American cultural norms/ sense of academic entitlement going on with many of the that is disturbing. Like PP.

The academics at TJ are first rate. The kids are first rate. A lot of their parents are not. I think it has done my kid good to have the experience of being a minority. I think seeing how some of the “adults” like PP has been very eye opening to him. I find it disgusting. I certainly am much less comfortable with Asian parents and Asian parenting than I was 4 years ago. Then again, so are many of the Asian kids talking in the backseat of my car during carpools.

white supremacy entitlement? couldn't find a better term to describe this post.

You aren’t familiar with the term “honesty”?