GreatSchools makes segregation easy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The GS is a business. It makes money by translating the data published by MCPS and other school distracts into nice bar graphs. GS doesnt make up data. It is a fact that the blacks and hispanics perform below average. The families who value high test score and the families who value diversity can find what they are looking for. Of corse, a few families may want to find a school with more white, black, Asian, and Hispanic for their child. GS makes their rating based on facts, not skin color!

Yes, we get that.

The point is that families who just want a good school for their kids and don't have anything else to go on may look at GS numbers and decide naively that only 8, 9, 10 schools are acceptable (thus perpetuating segregation) when all experience of upper-income families shows that their kids do well in schools scoring 4, 6, 8, etc.

What else are parents supposed to go on to find good schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What else are parents supposed to go on to find good schools?

What did parents do before the Internet?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Will you please shutup with the privilege and other pc bs it's why Trump won and I really want him to lose next time

Trump won because all the racists came out of the closet. You only need to look on this thread to see how comfortable the racists became.

So we are a country with almost 63 million racist citizens and a racist president, yet millions of people of every shade of brown are desperately trying to come here each year. Maybe your claim of racism is merely projection on your part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:White privilege is simply a higher average IQ and intact family structure. Honestly it should be renamed Asian privilege because Asians in the US do slightly better than whites on almost every objective measure. Oh, and in general they have slightly higher IQs and fewer out of wedlock births. Strange how that works.

How do you even answer to such blatantly racist post?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The GS is a business. It makes money by translating the data published by MCPS and other school distracts into nice bar graphs. GS doesnt make up data. It is a fact that the blacks and hispanics perform below average. The families who value high test score and the families who value diversity can find what they are looking for. Of corse, a few families may want to find a school with more white, black, Asian, and Hispanic for their child. GS makes their rating based on facts, not skin color!

Yes, we get that.

The point is that families who just want a good school for their kids and don't have anything else to go on may look at GS numbers and decide naively that only 8, 9, 10 schools are acceptable (thus perpetuating segregation) when all experience of upper-income families shows that their kids do well in schools scoring 4, 6, 8, etc.

What else are parents supposed to go on to find good schools?

Go on the tours of the public, privates and jesuit schools, compare them and decide for yourself. Getting an updated view is very important, the public schools are changing each year - teachers, curricula, extracurriculars, PTA offerings, budget, # of trailer classrooms, tracking or not, etc.
It's your kid, do the work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So we are a country with almost 63 million racist citizens and a racist president, yet millions of people of every shade of brown are desperately trying to come here each year. Maybe your claim of racism is merely projection on your part.

Are you claiming that there is no racism in US because people are still trying to emigrate here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bizarre analysis, although this is not the Politics thread. The same people who voted for Obama in the previous two elections are suddenly racist? Or they were tired of being called racist if they disagreed with an Obama policy. Yup, I agree with PP that name-calling won't get you "the change you seek" Neither will blasting people who are concerned about the impact on their child's education and tax bill of an annual influx of several thousand high poverty, aliterate, non-English speaking kids who require wrap-around services in addition to education.

Your fantastic analysis says that the Trump voters are all former Obama voters? There is no other source for Trump voters? Is this how you prove that Trump voters are not racists?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The GS is a business. It makes money by translating the data published by MCPS and other school distracts into nice bar graphs. GS doesnt make up data. It is a fact that the blacks and hispanics perform below average. The families who value high test score and the families who value diversity can find what they are looking for. Of corse, a few families may want to find a school with more white, black, Asian, and Hispanic for their child. GS makes their rating based on facts, not skin color!

Yes, we get that.

The point is that families who just want a good school for their kids and don't have anything else to go on may look at GS numbers and decide naively that only 8, 9, 10 schools are acceptable (thus perpetuating segregation) when all experience of upper-income families shows that their kids do well in schools scoring 4, 6, 8, etc.

What else are parents supposed to go on to find good schools?

Go on the tours of the public, privas and jesuit schools, compare them and decide for yourself. Getting an updated view is very important, the public schools are changing each year - teachers, curricula, extracurriculars, PTA offerings, budget, # of trailer classrooms, tracking or not, etc.
It's your kid, do the work.

Yes, you really need to do a deep dive. Talk to other parents, the PTA, the principal, etc. Find out how they structure and differentiate in the classrooms. Find out how involved the PTA is, the after school programs that are available, whether the compacted math students are in a different classroom or the same, how do they teach writing, etc. The schools are way more than a number. I'm not kidding, I have a friend who has her kids in a Bethesda school rated a 9 and she hates it. I know of a parent who moved her son to our school, a GS rated 5, and he is so much happier now and thriving, than when her son was at a school rated 8.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So we are a country with almost 63 million racist citizens and a racist president, yet millions of people of every shade of brown are desperately trying to come here each year. Maybe your claim of racism is merely projection on your part.

Are you claiming that there is no racism in US because people are still trying to emigrate here?

No, of course there are racists of every color in this country. I meant "projection" in the psychological sense - the person claiming 63 million racists voted for Trump might be projecting her own racist heart onto others. Projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.

[Anonymous]

I think the OP is just pissed off that the bad school rankings in Silver Spring will hurt her real estate values.

We're in the Wootton cluster and our kids have both diversity and a great academic school environment. Their friends are African, Saudi Arabian, African American, Indian, Chinese, Iranian, Korean, Vietnamese, French, Israel, Russia, Ukraine, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and Christian. I've probably missed several but those were just the closest friends and families that we have all hung out with for the past 12 years since K. There is great racial, ethnic and religious diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the OP is just pissed off that the bad school rankings in Silver Spring will hurt her real estate values.

We're in the Wootton cluster and our kids have both diversity and a great academic school environment. Their friends are African, Saudi Arabian, African American, Indian, Chinese, Iranian, Korean, Vietnamese, French, Israel, Russia, Ukraine, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and Christian. I've probably missed several but those were just the closest friends and families that we have all hung out with for the past 12 years since K. There is great racial, ethnic and religious diversity.

Very little economic diversity, though.

If you want to talk about real estate values, that's what the real estate forum is for.

[Anonymous]

Except the OP is claiming segregation based on racism not lack of economic diversity. (I do think the OP is full of shit and just pissed off about her home value.) In the Wootton cluster, you can get top ranked schools and your kids have a wide range of friends with very diverse cultures, beliefs, and experiences. I fail to see how moving and putting them in a much lower performing school with less actual diversity but large populations of lower income kids clustered into one or two demographics would benefit them in any way.

I wouldn't want to lower my kid's education to help out the OP with her home values.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Except the OP is claiming segregation based on racism not lack of economic diversity. (I do think the OP is full of shit and just pissed off about her home value.) In the Wootton cluster, you can get top ranked schools and your kids have a wide range of friends with very diverse cultures, beliefs, and experiences. I fail to see how moving and putting them in a much lower performing school with less actual diversity but large populations of lower income kids clustered into one or two demographics would benefit them in any way.

I wouldn't want to lower my kid's education to help out the OP with her home values.

Yes, that's true, if you overlook the fact that only 6% of the Wootton HS population is black, and only 7% is Hispanic. In a school district where 21% of students are black, and 32% are Hispanic.

Does Wootton have diversity? Yes. Is it a selective, exclusive kind of diversity? Yes. Is it segregation? Yes. Are you going to "lower your kid's education" if you send your kid to a school with kids who are poor/black/Hispanic? No. Is anyone upset that you don't want to live in the DCC? No.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Except the OP is claiming segregation based on racism not lack of economic diversity. (I do think the OP is full of shit and just pissed off about her home value.) In the Wootton cluster, you can get top ranked schools and your kids have a wide range of friends with very diverse cultures, beliefs, and experiences. I fail to see how moving and putting them in a much lower performing school with less actual diversity but large populations of lower income kids clustered into one or two demographics would benefit them in any way.

I wouldn't want to lower my kid's education to help out the OP with her home values.

Yes, that's true, if you overlook the fact that only 6% of the Wootton HS population is black, and only 7% is Hispanic. In a school district where 21% of students are black, and 32% are Hispanic.

Does Wootton have diversity? Yes. Is it a selective, exclusive kind of diversity? Yes. Is it segregation? Yes. Are you going to "lower your kid's education" if you send your kid to a school with kids who are poor/black/Hispanic? No. Is anyone upset that you don't want to live in the DCC? No.

Where exactly did you get to proclaim the ideal mix of diversity? Does that mean Most of the DCC is bad because they have too many of certain types? Is lots of poor minorities really a better ideal than large groups of engaged and fiscally independent minorities? I wish they published dropout rates by SES, I would bet a fortune they are dramatically higher in the DCC for the middle class vs the schools like Wootton. But they would never publish those because... well you know why

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Except the OP is claiming segregation based on racism not lack of economic diversity. (I do think the OP is full of shit and just pissed off about her home value.) In the Wootton cluster, you can get top ranked schools and your kids have a wide range of friends with very diverse cultures, beliefs, and experiences. I fail to see how moving and putting them in a much lower performing school with less actual diversity but large populations of lower income kids clustered into one or two demographics would benefit them in any way.

I wouldn't want to lower my kid's education to help out the OP with her home values.

Yes, that's true, if you overlook the fact that only 6% of the Wootton HS population is black, and only 7% is Hispanic. In a school district where 21% of students are black, and 32% are Hispanic.

Does Wootton have diversity? Yes. Is it a selective, exclusive kind of diversity? Yes. Is it segregation? Yes. Are you going to "lower your kid's education" if you send your kid to a school with kids who are poor/black/Hispanic? No. Is anyone upset that you don't want to live in the DCC? No.

Wait. My kids live in the DCC but I have to ask how a school like Wooton which is 45% white and 55% non-white is considered a "segregated" school.