PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's also important to note that from this data we can't actually tell whether or not the achievement gap has narrowed.

PARCC has different standards than CAS did, as evidenced by the fact that scores at schools like Janney (scores for white students) fell from say 95% to 75%. It's a harder test and kids overall score lower.

So it could be (and we have no way of knowing this from this data because it's a different test) that the schools have narrowed the achievement gap by some measures (e.g., raised the kids in the middle somewhat), but that they have not yet brought African American and economically disadvantaged kids up to the higher standard of PARCC.

Note that I am not trying to argue that it's not a problem and that we shouldn't continue to work to improve scores across the board; merely pointing out that there are some statistical issues in just taking results from a year ago and comparing them to the current results and saying "the gap hasn't been narrowed."

Hogwash!!! The WTU posters on DCUM have spent minutes digging through the data and concluded that reform, Kaya, Rhee and everyone who ever suggested that schools and teachers could be improved and held to account are wrong. Let's get to work rehiring all the fired teachers and get back to the good old days of the days.

What a moronic response to such a serious issue

People who are not smart enough to identify irony and sarcasm that agrees with the prior post might want to be careful about calling others "moronic". Just say'in.

P.S. A serious issue being addressed on an anonymous forum predominated by trolls and WTU lackeys. Yes, we're like Brookings and all serious academic journals rolled into one. Get over yourself.

So anyone who doesn't think reform is working is a WTU lackey? Is anyone, then who supports the administration a Henderson lackey?

Too close to home, dear?

No one can rationally argue the school system isn't better off now than it was before Rhee. No one who doesn't earn a paycheck from DCPS, that is.

BS. Rhee created the Education Campuses and abolished the middle schools that are now being created again. Rhee created vested feeder rights all the way through that led to the inevitable overcrowding of Deal and Wilson which will eventually with budget cuts destroy Wilson. Prior to 2009 OOB kids had to lottery in to ES, MS, and HS - and only if there was space. And the boundary review people did not have the guts to undo that huge huge mistake. Rhee created the animosity that is still festering at Hardy and has delayed its progress by at least 7 years. Finally, Rhee's hostility to SWW has been continued and deepened by her protege Kaya Henderson who seems to be on an all out mission to destroy it. She came in long enough to screw us up royally and left for greener pastures - not a better education system - but lots and lots and lots of money. Which was her goal all along. Leaving DC in a worse shithole than it already was.

[Anonymous]

And I am sure IMPACT got rid of some bad apples, but it also led to cheating which was NEVER investigated. She did nothing about the bloated administration vs teachers, and her overall impact was negative. What got white kids into the school system was the recession, not Rhee.

And if you want to see her failure most clearly, just look at the rise of charter schools, which she had nothing to do with - except by failing DCPS.... and all its kids who were not white and high SES... who can get along almost anywhere, although maybe not with the education that everyone deserves.

Wilson always gets a pass but it ain't all that. Finally, the gap that has increased between 2003 and 2013 on the NAEP happened here as well although poor is virtually synonymous with minority. But the racial gap had always been there, and now there is a new one - scores based on SES.

PS. The MoCo study is a great one because it followed kids for years and the makeup of the schools did not change because the poors were there due to subsidized housing. Most significant finding? Poor minority kids did equally badly if their population was 35% or 85%. The tipping point is below 30. They followed these kids all the way through for 7 years in different neighborhoods in different schools with different SES distributions. I'll get the cite. But the study is the only one of its kind and was only possible because of the subsidized housing and its depth and breadth makes it really worth paying attention to. The other significant finding was that lower SES kids in smaller numbers did better even if they were in remedial classes - even if there was tracking, a finding DCPS ignores.........

[Anonymous]

I will repeat my prior statement. Only someone who earns a paycheck from DCPS or WTU or has some equivalent vested interest could argue that the school system isn't better off now than it was before Rhee. In all honesty, I expected you WTU lackeys to try and argue that demographic shifts and gentrification would have happened anyway with the economic growth of DC and that, although things are better now, they'd have even better than they are now without Rhee. I mean, that'd be a BS argument, but it would at least play the cards as they lay. What you two are doing is just laughable and sad. You should get outside the teacher breakroom and WTU meetings and get some much needed perspective.

The more of your BS and whining and "me, me, me" crap I read on DCUM the less sympathy I have for teachers. People like you have taken lefty liberals like me who grew up in houses with teachers and completely turned me the other way. The fewer of you teaching my kid, the better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will repeat my prior statement. Only someone who earns a paycheck from DCPS or WTU or has some equivalent vested interest could argue that the school system isn't better off now than it was before Rhee. In all honesty, I expected you WTU lackeys to try and argue that demographic shifts and gentrification would have happened anyway with the economic growth of DC and that, although things are better now, they'd have even better than they are now without Rhee. I mean, that'd be a BS argument, but it would at least play the cards as they lay. What you two are doing is just laughable and sad. You should get outside the teacher breakroom and WTU meetings and get some much needed perspective.

The more of your BS and whining and "me, me, me" crap I read on DCUM the less sympathy I have for teachers. People like you have taken lefty liberals like me who grew up in houses with teachers and completely turned me the other way. The fewer of you teaching my kid, the better.

This is your opinion - mine is that with different leadership things would be better in DCPS. Teachers would be more effective if they were supported instead of being hounded as if all of them were guilty until proven innocent. And the huge amounts of money that went to staff salaries, consultants, lawyers and failed programs could have gone to helping the kids who needed it most.

[Anonymous]

Per earlier question on data inaccuracies -there are some inaccuracies in the equity reports, which are being corrected. For example, the reports show no Latino students at Latin, which is incorrect. Revised reports will be issued over the coming months. I suspect there may be other demographic mistakes that are being reviewed and corrected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's also important to note that from this data we can't actually tell whether or not the achievement gap has narrowed.

PARCC has different standards than CAS did, as evidenced by the fact that scores at schools like Janney (scores for white students) fell from say 95% to 75%. It's a harder test and kids overall score lower.

So it could be (and we have no way of knowing this from this data because it's a different test) that the schools have narrowed the achievement gap by some measures (e.g., raised the kids in the middle somewhat), but that they have not yet brought African American and economically disadvantaged kids up to the higher standard of PARCC.

Note that I am not trying to argue that it's not a problem and that we shouldn't continue to work to improve scores across the board; merely pointing out that there are some statistical issues in just taking results from a year ago and comparing them to the current results and saying "the gap hasn't been narrowed."

Hogwash!!! The WTU posters on DCUM have spent minutes digging through the data and concluded that reform, Kaya, Rhee and everyone who ever suggested that schools and teachers could be improved and held to account are wrong. Let's get to work rehiring all the fired teachers and get back to the good old days of the days.

What a moronic response to such a serious issue

People who are not smart enough to identify irony and sarcasm that agrees with the prior post might want to be careful about calling others "moronic". Just say'in.

P.S. A serious issue being addressed on an anonymous forum predominated by trolls and WTU lackeys. Yes, we're like Brookings and all serious academic journals rolled into one. Get over yourself.

So anyone who doesn't think reform is working is a WTU lackey? Is anyone, then who supports the administration a Henderson lackey?

Too close to home, dear?

No one can rationally argue the school system isn't better off now than it was before Rhee. No one who doesn't earn a paycheck from DCPS, that is.

DCPS is undoubtedly better. I don't give much credit to Rhee-Henderson or IMPACT. Schools serving our most vulnerable students are still struggling. Schools serving higher-SES populations are improving in large part due to parental involvement and fundraising.

[Anonymous]

Rhee and Henderson perpetuated the f*cked up middle school situation in Ward 6 by maintaining feeder rights for OOB students and failed to anticipate the pressures resulting from the increase in numbers of elementary age children wanting to attend their IB schools. How many hundreds of millions have been pissed away on renovating failing high schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will repeat my prior statement. Only someone who earns a paycheck from DCPS or WTU or has some equivalent vested interest could argue that the school system isn't better off now than it was before Rhee. In all honesty, I expected you WTU lackeys to try and argue that demographic shifts and gentrification would have happened anyway with the economic growth of DC and that, although things are better now, they'd have even better than they are now without Rhee. I mean, that'd be a BS argument, but it would at least play the cards as they lay. What you two are doing is just laughable and sad. You should get outside the teacher breakroom and WTU meetings and get some much needed perspective.

The more of your BS and whining and "me, me, me" crap I read on DCUM the less sympathy I have for teachers. People like you have taken lefty liberals like me who grew up in houses with teachers and completely turned me the other way. The fewer of you teaching my kid, the better.

This is your opinion - mine is that with different leadership things would be better in DCPS. Teachers would be more effective if they were supported instead of being hounded as if all of them were guilty until proven innocent. And the huge amounts of money that went to staff salaries, consultants, lawyers and failed programs could have gone to helping the kids who needed it most.

How would the money have gone to helping the kids who needed it the most? If I remember right, DCPS has been pissing money away since the beginning of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And I am sure IMPACT got rid of some bad apples, but it also led to cheating which was NEVER investigated. She did nothing about the bloated administration vs teachers, and her overall impact was negative. What got white kids into the school system was the recession, not Rhee.

And if you want to see her failure most clearly, just look at the rise of charter schools, which she had nothing to do with - except by failing DCPS.... and all its kids who were not white and high SES... who can get along almost anywhere, although maybe not with the education that everyone deserves.

Wilson always gets a pass but it ain't all that. Finally, the gap that has increased between 2003 and 2013 on the NAEP happened here as well although poor is virtually synonymous with minority. But the racial gap had always been there, and now there is a new one - scores based on SES.

PS. The MoCo study is a great one because it followed kids for years and the makeup of the schools did not change because the poors were there due to subsidized housing. Most significant finding? Poor minority kids did equally badly if their population was 35% or 85%. The tipping point is below 30. They followed these kids all the way through for 7 years in different neighborhoods in different schools with different SES distributions. I'll get the cite. But the study is the only one of its kind and was only possible because of the subsidized housing and its depth and breadth makes it really worth paying attention to. The other significant finding was that lower SES kids in smaller numbers did better even if they were in remedial classes - even if there was tracking, a finding DCPS ignores.........

What does this mean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will repeat my prior statement. Only someone who earns a paycheck from DCPS or WTU or has some equivalent vested interest could argue that the school system isn't better off now than it was before Rhee. In all honesty, I expected you WTU lackeys to try and argue that demographic shifts and gentrification would have happened anyway with the economic growth of DC and that, although things are better now, they'd have even better than they are now without Rhee. I mean, that'd be a BS argument, but it would at least play the cards as they lay. What you two are doing is just laughable and sad. You should get outside the teacher breakroom and WTU meetings and get some much needed perspective.

The more of your BS and whining and "me, me, me" crap I read on DCUM the less sympathy I have for teachers. People like you have taken lefty liberals like me who grew up in houses with teachers and completely turned me the other way. The fewer of you teaching my kid, the better.

This is your opinion - mine is that with different leadership things would be better in DCPS. Teachers would be more effective if they were supported instead of being hounded as if all of them were guilty until proven innocent. And the huge amounts of money that went to staff salaries, consultants, lawyers and failed programs could have gone to helping the kids who needed it most.

How would the money have gone to helping the kids who needed it the most? If I remember right, DCPS has been pissing money away since the beginning of time.

Meaning during Rhee/Henderson's time as well. So with good management, that could change. really -- what is least public education should do, if not this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will repeat my prior statement. Only someone who earns a paycheck from DCPS or WTU or has some equivalent vested interest could argue that the school system isn't better off now than it was before Rhee. In all honesty, I expected you WTU lackeys to try and argue that demographic shifts and gentrification would have happened anyway with the economic growth of DC and that, although things are better now, they'd have even better than they are now without Rhee. I mean, that'd be a BS argument, but it would at least play the cards as they lay. What you two are doing is just laughable and sad. You should get outside the teacher breakroom and WTU meetings and get some much needed perspective.[b]

The more of your BS and whining and "me, me, me" crap I read on DCUM the less sympathy I have for teachers. People like you have taken lefty liberals like me who grew up in houses with teachers and completely turned me the other way. The fewer of you teaching my kid, the better.

I posted the two posts you are referring to, one after the other, the first about Rhee's education campuses, destruction of MS, and her decision to vest feeder rights for OOB kids in 2009 that has caused tremendous overcrowding at Ward 3 schools from Janney to Deal to Wilson. I also posted about the cheating scandal, the snobbery towards SWW, and how the recession had more of an impact than Rhee (at least in Ward 3). In other places families may just be delaying moves to Moco.

I am not and have never been a teacher. I am white and live in Ward 3. I have several children who have been at one DCPS and two charter schools where for the most part they got excellent educations but still have had some bad teachers at our JKLM and the charters, but at least at the charters it is not all up to one teacher. I am not a fan of Rhee or Henderson and NEVER will be. I think Rhee was an unethical opportunist who has made money off her "success" in DC when actually she created more problems than she solved, and Kaya Henderson is not only following in her footsteps but is stupid to boot, and I am not alone in my opinions on these matters. I am, however, exceedingly grateful that their failures have increased the number, variety, and caliber of charter schools in this city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will repeat my prior statement. Only someone who earns a paycheck from DCPS or WTU or has some equivalent vested interest could argue that the school system isn't better off now than it was before Rhee. In all honesty, I expected you WTU lackeys to try and argue that demographic shifts and gentrification would have happened anyway with the economic growth of DC and that, although things are better now, they'd have even better than they are now without Rhee. I mean, that'd be a BS argument, but it would at least play the cards as they lay. What you two are doing is just laughable and sad. You should get outside the teacher breakroom and WTU meetings and get some much needed perspective.[b]

The more of your BS and whining and "me, me, me" crap I read on DCUM the less sympathy I have for teachers. People like you have taken lefty liberals like me who grew up in houses with teachers and completely turned me the other way. The fewer of you teaching my kid, the better.

I posted the two posts you are referring to, one after the other, the first about Rhee's education campuses, destruction of MS, and her decision to vest feeder rights for OOB kids in 2009 that has caused tremendous overcrowding at Ward 3 schools from Janney to Deal to Wilson. I also posted about the cheating scandal, the snobbery towards SWW, and how the recession had more of an impact than Rhee (at least in Ward 3). In other places families may just be delaying moves to Moco.

I am not and have never been a teacher. I am white and live in Ward 3. I have several children who have been at one DCPS and two charter schools where for the most part they got excellent educations but still have had some bad teachers at our JKLM and the charters, but at least at the charters it is not all up to one teacher. I am not a fan of Rhee or Henderson and NEVER will be. I think Rhee was an unethical opportunist who has made money off her "success" in DC when actually she created more problems than she solved, and Kaya Henderson is not only following in her footsteps but is stupid to boot, and I am not alone in my opinions on these matters. I am, however, exceedingly grateful that their failures have increased the number, variety, and caliber of charter schools in this city.

Wow. You and your kind need to get your story straight. Was it her failure that led to charter schools, or was that her master plan and she succeeded in propping up charters?

People in Ward 3 JKLM-land have no concept of the improvement in the schools over the last 15 years because your schools haven't seen the dramatic improvement (they had less distance to close). But I get your objection to OOB kids in your schools. And your objections to spending money on any schools not in Ward 3. Things should have stayed as they were; and DCPS should only spend money on the schools in your neighborhood. I feel you, girl.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will repeat my prior statement. Only someone who earns a paycheck from DCPS or WTU or has some equivalent vested interest could argue that the school system isn't better off now than it was before Rhee. In all honesty, I expected you WTU lackeys to try and argue that demographic shifts and gentrification would have happened anyway with the economic growth of DC and that, although things are better now, they'd have even better than they are now without Rhee. I mean, that'd be a BS argument, but it would at least play the cards as they lay. What you two are doing is just laughable and sad. You should get outside the teacher breakroom and WTU meetings and get some much needed perspective.

The more of your BS and whining and "me, me, me" crap I read on DCUM the less sympathy I have for teachers. People like you have taken lefty liberals like me who grew up in houses with teachers and completely turned me the other way. The fewer of you teaching my kid, the better.

You need help, you're too ignorant and blinded by bigotry to understand that the issue is no so simple as blaming the WTU!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will repeat my prior statement. Only someone who earns a paycheck from DCPS or WTU or has some equivalent vested interest could argue that the school system isn't better off now than it was before Rhee. In all honesty, I expected you WTU lackeys to try and argue that demographic shifts and gentrification would have happened anyway with the economic growth of DC and that, although things are better now, they'd have even better than they are now without Rhee. I mean, that'd be a BS argument, but it would at least play the cards as they lay. What you two are doing is just laughable and sad. You should get outside the teacher breakroom and WTU meetings and get some much needed perspective.

The more of your BS and whining and "me, me, me" crap I read on DCUM the less sympathy I have for teachers. People like you have taken lefty liberals like me who grew up in houses with teachers and completely turned me the other way. The fewer of you teaching my kid, the better.

You need help, you're too ignorant and blinded by bigotry to understand that the issue is no so simple as blaming the WTU!!!

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[Anonymous]

For the person here obsessed with the WTU - I've been teaching for 10 years and I could count on one hand the number of times I've heard teachers bring up the union. Most teachers I know (who mostly work in Title 1 schools) are just as upset as the rest of DC about the PARCC scores.