PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love these District Measured folks!!
https://public.tableau.com/profile/kevin.lang#!/vizhome/PARCC3through8TestScores-School/Dashboard3

The comparative visual presentation of the percentages is really helpful. You'll find that, for the most part, the math and ELA % match up with some really striking exceptions. The most striking exception is Latin PCS middle school, where the math proficiency is that of a completely different school from its ELA proficiency.

Having said that, let's keep in mind that this was a trial run, schools could be off for any number of reasons, most notably including because they experienced technical problems. In truth, many schools were told that this is a trial run and not to get students wall worked up about it.

What's interesting to me here is that for white students, the achievement between DCPS and DCPCS is almost nil, while for black students there is a significant difference.

It's interesting to me, too. I think the primary difference is that DCPS are more segregated than charters.

Anyone else notice problems with the data on that site? For example, it shows no white students in 8th grade at Deal. Any other major errors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's also important to note that from this data we can't actually tell whether or not the achievement gap has narrowed.

PARCC has different standards than CAS did, as evidenced by the fact that scores at schools like Janney (scores for white students) fell from say 95% to 75%. It's a harder test and kids overall score lower.

So it could be (and we have no way of knowing this from this data because it's a different test) that the schools have narrowed the achievement gap by some measures (e.g., raised the kids in the middle somewhat), but that they have not yet brought African American and economically disadvantaged kids up to the higher standard of PARCC.

Note that I am not trying to argue that it's not a problem and that we shouldn't continue to work to improve scores across the board; merely pointing out that there are some statistical issues in just taking results from a year ago and comparing them to the current results and saying "the gap hasn't been narrowed."

DC CAS was a joke, PARCC isn't that hard folks!!! The results are aweful because we've been coasting by on the teacher created tests and other such nonsense, not blaming the teachers for that but they were told under Rhee and in some schools, you can't fail kids. Kids get points for bring materials to class and doing a "good job", scaffolding is not scaffolding it's almost doing the work for the kids and the scaffolds are never removed, hence when it comes to test time they can't do anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's also important to note that from this data we can't actually tell whether or not the achievement gap has narrowed.

PARCC has different standards than CAS did, as evidenced by the fact that scores at schools like Janney (scores for white students) fell from say 95% to 75%. It's a harder test and kids overall score lower.

So it could be (and we have no way of knowing this from this data because it's a different test) that the schools have narrowed the achievement gap by some measures (e.g., raised the kids in the middle somewhat), but that they have not yet brought African American and economically disadvantaged kids up to the higher standard of PARCC.

Note that I am not trying to argue that it's not a problem and that we shouldn't continue to work to improve scores across the board; merely pointing out that there are some statistical issues in just taking results from a year ago and comparing them to the current results and saying "the gap hasn't been narrowed."

Hogwash!!! The WTU posters on DCUM have spent minutes digging through the data and concluded that reform, Kaya, Rhee and everyone who ever suggested that schools and teachers could be improved and held to account are wrong. Let's get to work rehiring all the fired teachers and get back to the good old days of the days.

What a moronic response to such a serious issue

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love these District Measured folks!!
https://public.tableau.com/profile/kevin.lang#!/vizhome/PARCC3through8TestScores-School/Dashboard3

The comparative visual presentation of the percentages is really helpful. You'll find that, for the most part, the math and ELA % match up with some really striking exceptions. The most striking exception is Latin PCS middle school, where the math proficiency is that of a completely different school from its ELA proficiency.

Having said that, let's keep in mind that this was a trial run, schools could be off for any number of reasons, most notably including because they experienced technical problems. In truth, many schools were told that this is a trial run and not to get students wall worked up about it.

What's interesting to me here is that for white students, the achievement between DCPS and DCPCS is almost nil, while for black students there is a significant difference.

It's interesting to me, too. I think the primary difference is that DCPS are more segregated than charters.

Anyone else notice problems with the data on that site? For example, it shows no white students in 8th grade at Deal. Any other major errors?

^^Nevermind. I figured it out (I was looking at grade 8 math (not enough to report), as opposed to Algebra and Geometry)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's also important to note that from this data we can't actually tell whether or not the achievement gap has narrowed.

PARCC has different standards than CAS did, as evidenced by the fact that scores at schools like Janney (scores for white students) fell from say 95% to 75%. It's a harder test and kids overall score lower.

So it could be (and we have no way of knowing this from this data because it's a different test) that the schools have narrowed the achievement gap by some measures (e.g., raised the kids in the middle somewhat), but that they have not yet brought African American and economically disadvantaged kids up to the higher standard of PARCC.

Note that I am not trying to argue that it's not a problem and that we shouldn't continue to work to improve scores across the board; merely pointing out that there are some statistical issues in just taking results from a year ago and comparing them to the current results and saying "the gap hasn't been narrowed."

Hogwash!!! The WTU posters on DCUM have spent minutes digging through the data and concluded that reform, Kaya, Rhee and everyone who ever suggested that schools and teachers could be improved and held to account are wrong. Let's get to work rehiring all the fired teachers and get back to the good old days of the days.

What a moronic response to such a serious issue

People who are not smart enough to identify irony and sarcasm that agrees with the prior post might want to be careful about calling others "moronic". Just say'in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's also important to note that from this data we can't actually tell whether or not the achievement gap has narrowed.

PARCC has different standards than CAS did, as evidenced by the fact that scores at schools like Janney (scores for white students) fell from say 95% to 75%. It's a harder test and kids overall score lower.

So it could be (and we have no way of knowing this from this data because it's a different test) that the schools have narrowed the achievement gap by some measures (e.g., raised the kids in the middle somewhat), but that they have not yet brought African American and economically disadvantaged kids up to the higher standard of PARCC.

Note that I am not trying to argue that it's not a problem and that we shouldn't continue to work to improve scores across the board; merely pointing out that there are some statistical issues in just taking results from a year ago and comparing them to the current results and saying "the gap hasn't been narrowed."

Hogwash!!! The WTU posters on DCUM have spent minutes digging through the data and concluded that reform, Kaya, Rhee and everyone who ever suggested that schools and teachers could be improved and held to account are wrong. Let's get to work rehiring all the fired teachers and get back to the good old days of the days.

What a moronic response to such a serious issue

People who are not smart enough to identify irony and sarcasm that agrees with the prior post might want to be careful about calling others "moronic". Just say'in.

P.S. A serious issue being addressed on an anonymous forum predominated by trolls and WTU lackeys. Yes, we're like Brookings and all serious academic journals rolled into one. Get over yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's also important to note that from this data we can't actually tell whether or not the achievement gap has narrowed.

PARCC has different standards than CAS did, as evidenced by the fact that scores at schools like Janney (scores for white students) fell from say 95% to 75%. It's a harder test and kids overall score lower.

So it could be (and we have no way of knowing this from this data because it's a different test) that the schools have narrowed the achievement gap by some measures (e.g., raised the kids in the middle somewhat), but that they have not yet brought African American and economically disadvantaged kids up to the higher standard of PARCC.

Note that I am not trying to argue that it's not a problem and that we shouldn't continue to work to improve scores across the board; merely pointing out that there are some statistical issues in just taking results from a year ago and comparing them to the current results and saying "the gap hasn't been narrowed."

Hogwash!!! The WTU posters on DCUM have spent minutes digging through the data and concluded that reform, Kaya, Rhee and everyone who ever suggested that schools and teachers could be improved and held to account are wrong. Let's get to work rehiring all the fired teachers and get back to the good old days of the days.

What a moronic response to such a serious issue

People who are not smart enough to identify irony and sarcasm that agrees with the prior post might want to be careful about calling others "moronic". Just say'in.

P.S. A serious issue being addressed on an anonymous forum predominated by trolls and WTU lackeys. Yes, we're like Brookings and all serious academic journals rolled into one. Get over yourself.

So anyone who doesn't think reform is working is a WTU lackey? Is anyone, then who supports the administration a Henderson lackey?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's also important to note that from this data we can't actually tell whether or not the achievement gap has narrowed.

PARCC has different standards than CAS did, as evidenced by the fact that scores at schools like Janney (scores for white students) fell from say 95% to 75%. It's a harder test and kids overall score lower.

So it could be (and we have no way of knowing this from this data because it's a different test) that the schools have narrowed the achievement gap by some measures (e.g., raised the kids in the middle somewhat), but that they have not yet brought African American and economically disadvantaged kids up to the higher standard of PARCC.

Note that I am not trying to argue that it's not a problem and that we shouldn't continue to work to improve scores across the board; merely pointing out that there are some statistical issues in just taking results from a year ago and comparing them to the current results and saying "the gap hasn't been narrowed."

Hogwash!!! The WTU posters on DCUM have spent minutes digging through the data and concluded that reform, Kaya, Rhee and everyone who ever suggested that schools and teachers could be improved and held to account are wrong. Let's get to work rehiring all the fired teachers and get back to the good old days of the days.

What a moronic response to such a serious issue

People who are not smart enough to identify irony and sarcasm that agrees with the prior post might want to be careful about calling others "moronic". Just say'in.

P.S. A serious issue being addressed on an anonymous forum predominated by trolls and WTU lackeys. Yes, we're like Brookings and all serious academic journals rolled into one. Get over yourself.

So anyone who doesn't think reform is working is a WTU lackey? Is anyone, then who supports the administration a Henderson lackey?

Too close to home, dear?

No one can rationally argue the school system isn't better off now than it was before Rhee. No one who doesn't earn a paycheck from DCPS, that is.

[Anonymous]

Are the boy scores always this much lower than girl scores?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's also important to note that from this data we can't actually tell whether or not the achievement gap has narrowed.

PARCC has different standards than CAS did, as evidenced by the fact that scores at schools like Janney (scores for white students) fell from say 95% to 75%. It's a harder test and kids overall score lower.

So it could be (and we have no way of knowing this from this data because it's a different test) that the schools have narrowed the achievement gap by some measures (e.g., raised the kids in the middle somewhat), but that they have not yet brought African American and economically disadvantaged kids up to the higher standard of PARCC.

Note that I am not trying to argue that it's not a problem and that we shouldn't continue to work to improve scores across the board; merely pointing out that there are some statistical issues in just taking results from a year ago and comparing them to the current results and saying "the gap hasn't been narrowed."

Hogwash!!! The WTU posters on DCUM have spent minutes digging through the data and concluded that reform, Kaya, Rhee and everyone who ever suggested that schools and teachers could be improved and held to account are wrong. Let's get to work rehiring all the fired teachers and get back to the good old days of the days.

What a moronic response to such a serious issue

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My primary reaction to these scores is concern - and dismay. DC/DCPS really needs to figure out how to help all the students in DCPS. There are so many schools with scores below 10%, the MS in Ward and have 1-2% of the students tested proficient at grade level in reading and math and I think none or almost none are advanced. That means less that less then 10 students in grades 6-8 enrolled in DCPS in Ward 8 tested as on grade level. We as a city are failing to educate these kids. The difference between white and black, white and Hispanic, the haves and the have nots in D.C. is staggering. I know this has been a focus of DCPS for some time but whatever they are doing is not working. I know this is nothing new (unfortunately) but it just makes me so mad and also sad. I know people who work in these schools who try so hard and are so frustrated and discouraged by these scores. I really want to know if there are urban school systems that managed to turn around a significant number of struggling schools. It just feels impossible yet we as community need all of our children to be educated.

I just think the schools that are really struggling should be of more concern.

"We as a city are failing to educate these kids"? You are well intentioned. But the reality is that no public school system can reverse the course set in motion by poor decision making. Single mothers having multiple babies with multiple fathers is a guaranteed fast pass to generational poverty. If only the political leaders in this city would say what needs to be said. That would go a long way towards closing the DCPS achievement gap.

Look at Hearst. Same teachers, same books, same school resources. Almost 50-50 diversity. But the white students are 75%+ meeting or exceeding expectations for math and English for college. Meanwhile, minority students are at the 20% or lower. DCPS is not the problem, for once.

So you are saying that white parents make better parenting decisions then minority families and because of this white children do better and that if our city leaders would just call minorities out on this it would help close the achievement gap?

I don' even know where to start....

Generally speaking, yes -- especially when the "parenting decision" is not having children in your teens, before being married or finishing your education or having a job. Unfortunately, this happens much more to minority families in DC than it does to white families.

And it's not a matter of city leaders simply calling minorities out about this -- it's that you can't begin to solve a problem until you've acknowledged it - and you address it, directly.

It would have been nice if firing half the teachers and raising the salaries of the remaining half had worked, but that was a stupid plan from the beginning. So it's time to be realistic and confront the issue head on.

What did you have in mind? We could try to coerce the pregnant teens into having abortions, but that's Planned Parenthood's job.

...Says the privileged woman who has never needed to set foot in a Planned Parenthood... that is not what they do, but don't let the facts get in the way of your thinking.

Don't feed the trolls!

[Anonymous]

When are they releasing individual scores?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When are they releasing individual scores?

They are mailing the scores home this month.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's also important to note that from this data we can't actually tell whether or not the achievement gap has narrowed.

PARCC has different standards than CAS did, as evidenced by the fact that scores at schools like Janney (scores for white students) fell from say 95% to 75%. It's a harder test and kids overall score lower.

So it could be (and we have no way of knowing this from this data because it's a different test) that the schools have narrowed the achievement gap by some measures (e.g., raised the kids in the middle somewhat), but that they have not yet brought African American and economically disadvantaged kids up to the higher standard of PARCC.

Note that I am not trying to argue that it's not a problem and that we shouldn't continue to work to improve scores across the board; merely pointing out that there are some statistical issues in just taking results from a year ago and comparing them to the current results and saying "the gap hasn't been narrowed."

Hogwash!!! The WTU posters on DCUM have spent minutes digging through the data and concluded that reform, Kaya, Rhee and everyone who ever suggested that schools and teachers could be improved and held to account are wrong. Let's get to work rehiring all the fired teachers and get back to the good old days of the days.

What a moronic response to such a serious issue

+1

Another deep thinker taking themselves way too seriously. Well done!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When are they releasing individual scores?

They are mailing the scores home this month.

We had our W3EdNet meeting with DCPS and the DME's office last night. DCPS person said that they *hoped* that individual results would be sent to schools before the break. Then schools would send out individual results. The implication was that individual results would likely not get home until *after* the winter break. Folks should be attentive to how scores are sent home (i.e. mailed or placed in backpacks). The DCPS rep said that was up to the school as to how to do it.

Brian Doyle
W3EdNet