Stay at TT or Retire to Suburbs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: I wrote the thing about wanting my kids to be able to be engineers if they want, and I am well aware of the kids from a flyover state having been one myself at one of these schools. It’s why the way they teach math in a TT concerns me because I fully believe there are plenty of kids outside a few private schools in New York City who are just as smart as the kids in them and if they are being taught math the way I was taught, they are going to kick my kids ass because it’s a music better way of teaching it. You can boost an SAT scores in math but you can’t fake it in the classroom. It’s why 97 percent of kids in singapore do outside tutoring of traditional math at a “cram” school. I’d prefer just the “cram” school.

Why do you keep saying 97 percent of kids? How the heck could you ever know that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I wrote the thing about wanting my kids to be able to be engineers if they want, and I am well aware of the kids from a flyover state having been one myself at one of these schools. It’s why the way they teach math in a TT concerns me because I fully believe there are plenty of kids outside a few private schools in New York City who are just as smart as the kids in them and if they are being taught math the way I was taught, they are going to kick my kids ass because it’s a music better way of teaching it. You can boost an SAT scores in math but you can’t fake it in the classroom. It’s why 97 percent of kids in singapore do outside tutoring of traditional math at a “cram” school. I’d prefer just the “cram” school.

Why do you keep saying 97 percent of kids? How the heck could you ever know that?

Not the PP but think it's meant to directional. You needn't worry about the kids from flyover America. Rather you should worry about the tens of millions of kids coming out of Asia who will probably all have more intensive STEM training. East Asian countries are a lot more intense than Singapore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I wrote the thing about wanting my kids to be able to be engineers if they want, and I am well aware of the kids from a flyover state having been one myself at one of these schools. It’s why the way they teach math in a TT concerns me because I fully believe there are plenty of kids outside a few private schools in New York City who are just as smart as the kids in them and if they are being taught math the way I was taught, they are going to kick my kids ass because it’s a music better way of teaching it. You can boost an SAT scores in math but you can’t fake it in the classroom. It’s why 97 percent of kids in singapore do outside tutoring of traditional math at a “cram” school. I’d prefer just the “cram” school.

Why do you keep saying 97 percent of kids? How the heck could you ever know that?

Not the PP but think it's meant to directional. You needn't worry about the kids from flyover America. Rather you should worry about the tens of millions of kids coming out of Asia who will probably all have more intensive STEM training. East Asian countries are a lot more intense than Singapore.

Asian kids have done more intense training for decades - yet the majority of tech companies are founded in USA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, they all use Singapore and that’s the problem. It emphasizes things like “number sense” and the “concept” of numbers vs the rote memorization that we learned. Imagine learning how to read by thinking about the letter B for a few years or learning to read music by describing a note in words. Turns out 97 percent of the kids in singapore go to “cram” schools where they learn math the way we were taught and that’s why their math scores are so high. It’s why everyone does Kumon or Russian math outside of school.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, I have not been impressed with my kid’s TT lower/midlle school education, everyone tutors and I don’t think it’s to keep up, it’s because of the quality of the teachers and curriculum. The math is very bad, and I had to teach my kid grammar with amazon workbooks. Just to say, it’s all a crapshoot.

Very interesting, would love to know which school

Why is the math so bad? Don’t they all use Singapore math

Eh, my kid is at a TT, had Singapore math with zero supplementation, and she’s a very good math student. Of course, we didn’t care if she was able to do algebra by 5th grade like some of the tiger parents (the school’s pace was good with us), and she will end up in MV calculus by graduation, which is fine for her goals.

Does her goals involve majoring in math, physics, electrical engineering or comp sci?

Mv by graduation is just fine for all of these majors,

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I wrote the thing about wanting my kids to be able to be engineers if they want, and I am well aware of the kids from a flyover state having been one myself at one of these schools. It’s why the way they teach math in a TT concerns me because I fully believe there are plenty of kids outside a few private schools in New York City who are just as smart as the kids in them and if they are being taught math the way I was taught, they are going to kick my kids ass because it’s a music better way of teaching it. You can boost an SAT scores in math but you can’t fake it in the classroom. It’s why 97 percent of kids in singapore do outside tutoring of traditional math at a “cram” school. I’d prefer just the “cram” school.

Why do you keep saying 97 percent of kids? How the heck could you ever know that?

Not the PP but think it's meant to directional. You needn't worry about the kids from flyover America. Rather you should worry about the tens of millions of kids coming out of Asia who will probably all have more intensive STEM training. East Asian countries are a lot more intense than Singapore.

Asian kids have done more intense training for decades - yet the majority of tech companies are founded in USA.

This is more of a reflection of the US' far deeper capital markets and social tolerance of risk and failure. Far more startups are founded by immigrants relative to their proportion of the overall population which speaks to the education being worse overall.

[Anonymous]

It’s the number cited in articles on the subject, but like all stats, you’re right, I should take it with a grain of salt. Kids are getting to higher level institutions without being able to do certain basic algebraic tasks, and yes, it’s covid, yes it’s social media, but also it’s that people teaching math changed the way they taught it about the time these kids started school and that is true of public and private at least in New York state. There is a replication crisis in universities and nowhere is it worse than in the schools of education. I highly recommend listening to Sold a Story podcast. It explains how one person at Columbia Teacher’s College managed to tank literacy rates across America.

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Anonymous wrote: I wrote the thing about wanting my kids to be able to be engineers if they want, and I am well aware of the kids from a flyover state having been one myself at one of these schools. It’s why the way they teach math in a TT concerns me because I fully believe there are plenty of kids outside a few private schools in New York City who are just as smart as the kids in them and if they are being taught math the way I was taught, they are going to kick my kids ass because it’s a music better way of teaching it. You can boost an SAT scores in math but you can’t fake it in the classroom. It’s why 97 percent of kids in singapore do outside tutoring of traditional math at a “cram” school. I’d prefer just the “cram” school.

Why do you keep saying 97 percent of kids? How the heck could you ever know that?

Not the PP but think it's meant to directional. You needn't worry about the kids from flyover America. Rather you should worry about the tens of millions of kids coming out of Asia who will probably all have more intensive STEM training. East Asian countries are a lot more intense than Singapore.

Asian kids have done more intense training for decades - yet the majority of tech companies are founded in USA.

This is more of a reflection of the US' far deeper capital markets and social tolerance of risk and failure. Far more startups are founded by immigrants relative to their proportion of the overall population which speaks to the education being worse overall.

China has closed markets tons of govt support and a ton of stem engineers. And yet they can’t really create anything that they don’t steal or copy. Why is that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I wrote the thing about wanting my kids to be able to be engineers if they want, and I am well aware of the kids from a flyover state having been one myself at one of these schools. It’s why the way they teach math in a TT concerns me because I fully believe there are plenty of kids outside a few private schools in New York City who are just as smart as the kids in them and if they are being taught math the way I was taught, they are going to kick my kids ass because it’s a music better way of teaching it. You can boost an SAT scores in math but you can’t fake it in the classroom. It’s why 97 percent of kids in singapore do outside tutoring of traditional math at a “cram” school. I’d prefer just the “cram” school.

Why do you keep saying 97 percent of kids? How the heck could you ever know that?

Not the PP but think it's meant to directional. You needn't worry about the kids from flyover America. Rather you should worry about the tens of millions of kids coming out of Asia who will probably all have more intensive STEM training. East Asian countries are a lot more intense than Singapore.

Asian kids have done more intense training for decades - yet the majority of tech companies are founded in USA.

This is more of a reflection of the US' far deeper capital markets and social tolerance of risk and failure. Far more startups are founded by immigrants relative to their proportion of the overall population which speaks to the education being worse overall.

Facebook Google Amazon Apple. All American founders right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I wrote the thing about wanting my kids to be able to be engineers if they want, and I am well aware of the kids from a flyover state having been one myself at one of these schools. It’s why the way they teach math in a TT concerns me because I fully believe there are plenty of kids outside a few private schools in New York City who are just as smart as the kids in them and if they are being taught math the way I was taught, they are going to kick my kids ass because it’s a music better way of teaching it. You can boost an SAT scores in math but you can’t fake it in the classroom. It’s why 97 percent of kids in singapore do outside tutoring of traditional math at a “cram” school. I’d prefer just the “cram” school.

Why do you keep saying 97 percent of kids? How the heck could you ever know that?

Not the PP but think it's meant to directional. You needn't worry about the kids from flyover America. Rather you should worry about the tens of millions of kids coming out of Asia who will probably all have more intensive STEM training. East Asian countries are a lot more intense than Singapore.

Asian kids have done more intense training for decades - yet the majority of tech companies are founded in USA.

This is more of a reflection of the US' far deeper capital markets and social tolerance of risk and failure. Far more startups are founded by immigrants relative to their proportion of the overall population which speaks to the education being worse overall.

Facebook Google Amazon Apple. All American founders right?

A bodega isn’t a “startup.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I wrote the thing about wanting my kids to be able to be engineers if they want, and I am well aware of the kids from a flyover state having been one myself at one of these schools. It’s why the way they teach math in a TT concerns me because I fully believe there are plenty of kids outside a few private schools in New York City who are just as smart as the kids in them and if they are being taught math the way I was taught, they are going to kick my kids ass because it’s a music better way of teaching it. You can boost an SAT scores in math but you can’t fake it in the classroom. It’s why 97 percent of kids in singapore do outside tutoring of traditional math at a “cram” school. I’d prefer just the “cram” school.

Why do you keep saying 97 percent of kids? How the heck could you ever know that?

Not the PP but think it's meant to directional. You needn't worry about the kids from flyover America. Rather you should worry about the tens of millions of kids coming out of Asia who will probably all have more intensive STEM training. East Asian countries are a lot more intense than Singapore.

Asian kids have done more intense training for decades - yet the majority of tech companies are founded in USA.

This is more of a reflection of the US' far deeper capital markets and social tolerance of risk and failure. Far more startups are founded by immigrants relative to their proportion of the overall population which speaks to the education being worse overall.

China has closed markets tons of govt support and a ton of stem engineers. And yet they can’t really create anything that they don’t steal or copy. Why is that?

Umm because 30 years ago the majority of people were living in poverty? So you literally have maybe one generation or two generations max so far of people who could actually afford to innovate and take risks vs worrying non-stop of how not to starve. I'd also say that being a fast follower in technology isn't the same as stealing or copying outright. It's widely accepted that the majority of AI researchers today are Chinese ethnicity (many others are from India or other parts of Asia). That said there are many many reasons I'd want to raise kids in the US instead of China but none of them have to do with how they're educated.