Camp Mystic reopening for summer 2026

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Anonymous wrote:Putting the trolls aside, I watched the second hearing today. I just wanted to say how in awe I am of the parents that spoke. All of them were so amazing. I sobbed through most of it - I hope they can all find some kind of peace someday.

It’s not “trolling” to say that people shouldn’t trash the grieving families.

The grieving families no longer have daughters to send back to the camp. Try to keep up.

Most of families were traumatized and lost dear friends. Try to keep up.

How dare you imply that is the equivalent of losing your own daughter.

What's gross is someone here using this tragedy to further their own weird personal agenda.

You clearly have an “agenda” that people should still be allowed to entrust the Eastlands with the care of more children. That is very misguided and hopefully the state of Texas takes the decision out of their hands. I would not trust the Eastlands to care for my goldfish.

Yep, you are using this for some sick reason. It’s gross.

I am none of the PPs in this thread but you are also using this story for some sick reason. Sure, you're going to say that it will cause camps across the country to be safer, and yeah, of course that's a good thing. But why are you so vocally and vehemently judging families whose children lost their friends? Why can't you see that you can have a conversation about why the camp should never have been allowed to be open and should never be opened again without passing judgment on people you don't know? That's the behavior that's gross, by the way. It's like you people use a tragedy to condemn others (and by others I don't mean the Eastlands) to make yourselves feel better because YOU would never put your children in a dangerous situation. It's shocking to me that you wouldn't lead with compassion and empathy for people whose children suffered. You pretend to do so for the families whose children died who don't want the camp to reopen. I'm not saying the camp should reopen. I'm saying you can have a conversation about all the things related to the camp and how badly it was run and how much the state of Texas failed its citizens without criticizing the parents whose children survived. THAT is what is gross.

No. People should be looking out for the children first and those parents are not. Too bad you don't care about the children involved.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting the trolls aside, I watched the second hearing today. I just wanted to say how in awe I am of the parents that spoke. All of them were so amazing. I sobbed through most of it - I hope they can all find some kind of peace someday.

It’s not “trolling” to say that people shouldn’t trash the grieving families.

The grieving families no longer have daughters to send back to the camp. Try to keep up.

Most of families were traumatized and lost dear friends. Try to keep up.

How dare you imply that is the equivalent of losing your own daughter.

What's gross is someone here using this tragedy to further their own weird personal agenda.

You clearly have an “agenda” that people should still be allowed to entrust the Eastlands with the care of more children. That is very misguided and hopefully the state of Texas takes the decision out of their hands. I would not trust the Eastlands to care for my goldfish.

Yep, you are using this for some sick reason. It’s gross.

I am none of the PPs in this thread but you are also using this story for some sick reason. Sure, you're going to say that it will cause camps across the country to be safer, and yeah, of course that's a good thing. But why are you so vocally and vehemently judging families whose children lost their friends? Why can't you see that you can have a conversation about why the camp should never have been allowed to be open and should never be opened again without passing judgment on people you don't know? That's the behavior that's gross, by the way. It's like you people use a tragedy to condemn others (and by others I don't mean the Eastlands) to make yourselves feel better because YOU would never put your children in a dangerous situation. It's shocking to me that you wouldn't lead with compassion and empathy for people whose children suffered. You pretend to do so for the families whose children died who don't want the camp to reopen. I'm not saying the camp should reopen. I'm saying you can have a conversation about all the things related to the camp and how badly it was run and how much the state of Texas failed its citizens without criticizing the parents whose children survived. THAT is what is gross.

No. People should be looking out for the children first and those parents are not. Too bad you don't care about the children involved.

How are you showing compassion for the children involved using your abusive language? You have a chip on your shoulder about these families, Texans, and the people behind this camp. You can't be taken seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting the trolls aside, I watched the second hearing today. I just wanted to say how in awe I am of the parents that spoke. All of them were so amazing. I sobbed through most of it - I hope they can all find some kind of peace someday.

It’s not “trolling” to say that people shouldn’t trash the grieving families.

The grieving families no longer have daughters to send back to the camp. Try to keep up.

Most of families were traumatized and lost dear friends. Try to keep up.

How dare you imply that is the equivalent of losing your own daughter.

What's gross is someone here using this tragedy to further their own weird personal agenda.

You clearly have an “agenda” that people should still be allowed to entrust the Eastlands with the care of more children. That is very misguided and hopefully the state of Texas takes the decision out of their hands. I would not trust the Eastlands to care for my goldfish.

Yep, you are using this for some sick reason. It’s gross.

I am none of the PPs in this thread but you are also using this story for some sick reason. Sure, you're going to say that it will cause camps across the country to be safer, and yeah, of course that's a good thing. But why are you so vocally and vehemently judging families whose children lost their friends? Why can't you see that you can have a conversation about why the camp should never have been allowed to be open and should never be opened again without passing judgment on people you don't know? That's the behavior that's gross, by the way. It's like you people use a tragedy to condemn others (and by others I don't mean the Eastlands) to make yourselves feel better because YOU would never put your children in a dangerous situation. It's shocking to me that you wouldn't lead with compassion and empathy for people whose children suffered. You pretend to do so for the families whose children died who don't want the camp to reopen. I'm not saying the camp should reopen. I'm saying you can have a conversation about all the things related to the camp and how badly it was run and how much the state of Texas failed its citizens without criticizing the parents whose children survived. THAT is what is gross.

No. People should be looking out for the children first and those parents are not. Too bad you don't care about the children involved.

How are you showing compassion for the children involved using your abusive language? You have a chip on your shoulder about these families, Texans, and the people behind this camp. You can't be taken seriously.

What a dishonest and manipulative post. There is no abusive language in my post. I write like an adult who tries to make rational decisions and judgements. I do not post as an ego driven person who wants to look like some kind of hero. Your angst is misplaced and this is really about your ego.

Again you are such a champion of the parents but show no concern for the children who are being sent back to a camp that has no reasonable safety plan. It was clear from the recent hearings that they aren't prepared to handle a sick camper much less a large scale emergency.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is faulting the families of the girls who died last summer. We are saying the ones who plan to send their kids back this summer are certifiable.

This comment referred families asking for sympathy - so the families from last summer:
“And then those families ask for sympathy over foolhardy risk taking decisions.”

No, the comment was referring to those choosing to return. Read the two preceding comments. No one is faulting families for the 2025 tragedy. They are faulting the lax Kerr Co safety precautions for an area known to flood and the minimal safety plans and means of communication by Camp Mystic's leaders.

Where are those families asking for sympathy from you?

The posters arguing in favor of the camp opening.

So - not the families of returning campers? People saying don't judge have you flipping out?

Who is flipping out? Most of us (other than you) are in agreement that the camp should never reopen and those wanting to return are nuts.

That's fine but getting hysterical about it calling people names and saying (erroneously) that someone is demanding your sympathy seems like an overreaction.

You exaggerate and misinterpret, then run with your feelings. No one said 'demanding sympathy," and no one is hysterical.

Again, nobody asked for your sympathy. More kids in your own zip code will die in backyard pools or from not wearing a bike helmet this summer than some random girls in a freak 100 yr flood. Yet not much concern for the very real threat closer to home.

Again, and we’ve told you this several times: This is an anonymous DC-based discussion forum. We discuss what we like here, particularly on the Off-Topic forum. You don’t get to decide what we discuss, just because you don’t like it. If we want to discuss our thoughts about the parents trying to send their kids back to Camp Mystic or the camp leaders, we will. And we will do it any manner we please.

And we are free to tell you that you’re a judgmental busybody who should leave these poor families alone FFS.

We aren't bothering them. It's an internet forum. No one is forcing you to read our posts. It was and is a a national story with ongoing updates that we will continue to discuss.

And we will continue to call out your grotesque comments trashing the families.

Anyone that would trust the Eastlands with the care of their child, knowing what they know now, is severely lacking in critical thinking skills.

You don’t know anything about them.

Stop acting like you know everything about everything; you don’t. MYOFB.

We've read their inadequate safety plans. We saw their inability to answer basic safety questions in court. We know they had internal family conflicts and lawsuits over money. We know that in recent documents they still don't want to list camp structures as being in a floodplain. We know they were asleep when warnings went out instead of staying up and monitoring their campers' safety. We know they had no sirens or other way to communicate with their counselors. You can't tell us what to think.

What is this we crap? Why are you reading their safety plans?

Anyone who reads Texas news. Maybe you should.

I should read safety plans about a camp my kids don’t go to? What a strange hobby.

The tragedy of Camp Mystic and the hubris of the Eastland family is national news. As a parent who has sent my kids to sleepaway camp, I have discussed Camp Mystic with friends and read about it on this site. We are truly astounded by the greed of the Eastlands and their push to reopen the camp without basic safety plans in place. Imagine being a parent who sends their daughter back to this place?

Imagine being the parent of a child who almost died and who possibly watched their friends die last summer. You can't even begin to. Yet you pass your judgment on people whose shoes you've never walked in. I'm not the PP but I am annoyed by people like you who think you're so holier than thou and smarter than these dumb Texans and so much better than these parents. You can do whatever you want. Don't send your kids to Camp Mystic. No one is asking you to. But being a judgmental Janice isn't a good look.

This is a far bigger story and issue than Texas. Sorry, but when 27 young people die due to negligence of a century old camp, it puts camps all over the country on notice. That, in turn, affects millions of kids and families for years to come.

I don't care how we "look" to you. If you had an ounce of compassion, you would care enough about children and future campers all over the country to want this situation fully litigated and blame cast where it is due, to prevent something like this horrific tragedy from ever happening again.

I'm sorry you have such a hard time following the thread of a discussion. The PP was judging parents who would send their daughters back to this camp. That has nothing to do with the fact that this camp was negligent and that it shouldn't open again. You can't even see past your manufactured fury to understand the point that's being made.

Exactly.

Trash the camp all you want.

Don’t trash the grieving families.

No one is trashing the grieving families. They don’t want the camo to open either. The parents sending their kids back are a whole different story and we can think of them whatever we like.

WTF? They are also grieving families.

Don’t trash the families, a-hole.

It is not”trashing” them to say that they are making the wrong decision to entrust the Eastlands with their children, knowing what we know now.

+1. Damn right they should be judged. They are more concerned about the social implications of closing this camp, and how it may damage their daughters' ability to pledge Pi Beta Phi at UT Austin, than they are about the criminal negligence that took place here.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting the trolls aside, I watched the second hearing today. I just wanted to say how in awe I am of the parents that spoke. All of them were so amazing. I sobbed through most of it - I hope they can all find some kind of peace someday.

It’s not “trolling” to say that people shouldn’t trash the grieving families.

The grieving families no longer have daughters to send back to the camp. Try to keep up.

Most of families were traumatized and lost dear friends. Try to keep up.

How dare you imply that is the equivalent of losing your own daughter.

What's gross is someone here using this tragedy to further their own weird personal agenda.

You clearly have an “agenda” that people should still be allowed to entrust the Eastlands with the care of more children. That is very misguided and hopefully the state of Texas takes the decision out of their hands. I would not trust the Eastlands to care for my goldfish.

Yep, you are using this for some sick reason. It’s gross.

I am none of the PPs in this thread but you are also using this story for some sick reason. Sure, you're going to say that it will cause camps across the country to be safer, and yeah, of course that's a good thing. But why are you so vocally and vehemently judging families whose children lost their friends? Why can't you see that you can have a conversation about why the camp should never have been allowed to be open and should never be opened again without passing judgment on people you don't know? That's the behavior that's gross, by the way. It's like you people use a tragedy to condemn others (and by others I don't mean the Eastlands) to make yourselves feel better because YOU would never put your children in a dangerous situation. It's shocking to me that you wouldn't lead with compassion and empathy for people whose children suffered. You pretend to do so for the families whose children died who don't want the camp to reopen. I'm not saying the camp should reopen. I'm saying you can have a conversation about all the things related to the camp and how badly it was run and how much the state of Texas failed its citizens without criticizing the parents whose children survived. THAT is what is gross.

No. People should be looking out for the children first and those parents are not. Too bad you don't care about the children involved.

How are you showing compassion for the children involved using your abusive language? You have a chip on your shoulder about these families, Texans, and the people behind this camp. You can't be taken seriously.

It's such a great idea to send children to a camp whose incompetent directors and owners still haven't followed the law and reported 27 deaths on their watch or submitted the required safety plan after ten months.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is faulting the families of the girls who died last summer. We are saying the ones who plan to send their kids back this summer are certifiable.

This comment referred families asking for sympathy - so the families from last summer:
“And then those families ask for sympathy over foolhardy risk taking decisions.”

No, the comment was referring to those choosing to return. Read the two preceding comments. No one is faulting families for the 2025 tragedy. They are faulting the lax Kerr Co safety precautions for an area known to flood and the minimal safety plans and means of communication by Camp Mystic's leaders.

Where are those families asking for sympathy from you?

The posters arguing in favor of the camp opening.

So - not the families of returning campers? People saying don't judge have you flipping out?

Who is flipping out? Most of us (other than you) are in agreement that the camp should never reopen and those wanting to return are nuts.

That's fine but getting hysterical about it calling people names and saying (erroneously) that someone is demanding your sympathy seems like an overreaction.

You exaggerate and misinterpret, then run with your feelings. No one said 'demanding sympathy," and no one is hysterical.

Again, nobody asked for your sympathy. More kids in your own zip code will die in backyard pools or from not wearing a bike helmet this summer than some random girls in a freak 100 yr flood. Yet not much concern for the very real threat closer to home.

Again, and we’ve told you this several times: This is an anonymous DC-based discussion forum. We discuss what we like here, particularly on the Off-Topic forum. You don’t get to decide what we discuss, just because you don’t like it. If we want to discuss our thoughts about the parents trying to send their kids back to Camp Mystic or the camp leaders, we will. And we will do it any manner we please.

And we are free to tell you that you’re a judgmental busybody who should leave these poor families alone FFS.

We aren't bothering them. It's an internet forum. No one is forcing you to read our posts. It was and is a a national story with ongoing updates that we will continue to discuss.

And we will continue to call out your grotesque comments trashing the families.

Anyone that would trust the Eastlands with the care of their child, knowing what they know now, is severely lacking in critical thinking skills.

You don’t know anything about them.

Stop acting like you know everything about everything; you don’t. MYOFB.

We've read their inadequate safety plans. We saw their inability to answer basic safety questions in court. We know they had internal family conflicts and lawsuits over money. We know that in recent documents they still don't want to list camp structures as being in a floodplain. We know they were asleep when warnings went out instead of staying up and monitoring their campers' safety. We know they had no sirens or other way to communicate with their counselors. You can't tell us what to think.

What is this we crap? Why are you reading their safety plans?

Anyone who reads Texas news. Maybe you should.

I should read safety plans about a camp my kids don’t go to? What a strange hobby.

The tragedy of Camp Mystic and the hubris of the Eastland family is national news. As a parent who has sent my kids to sleepaway camp, I have discussed Camp Mystic with friends and read about it on this site. We are truly astounded by the greed of the Eastlands and their push to reopen the camp without basic safety plans in place. Imagine being a parent who sends their daughter back to this place?

Imagine being the parent of a child who almost died and who possibly watched their friends die last summer. You can't even begin to. Yet you pass your judgment on people whose shoes you've never walked in. I'm not the PP but I am annoyed by people like you who think you're so holier than thou and smarter than these dumb Texans and so much better than these parents. You can do whatever you want. Don't send your kids to Camp Mystic. No one is asking you to. But being a judgmental Janice isn't a good look.

This is a far bigger story and issue than Texas. Sorry, but when 27 young people die due to negligence of a century old camp, it puts camps all over the country on notice. That, in turn, affects millions of kids and families for years to come.

I don't care how we "look" to you. If you had an ounce of compassion, you would care enough about children and future campers all over the country to want this situation fully litigated and blame cast where it is due, to prevent something like this horrific tragedy from ever happening again.

+1 That poster is a wannabe class monitor. Claims to be friends with former Mystic campers but accuses other posters (on an anonymous forum) of being childless gossips with no connection to the camp.

So what if they are? Anyone with half a brain can see what was going on here, and has a right and obligation to speak out about it.

+1 Everyone here has the right and obligation to speak out and express their viewpoints.

And suck it up if people call you out for your viewpoints. Maybe take a beat and acknowledge that other people are pointing out that your behavior is undesirable.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is faulting the families of the girls who died last summer. We are saying the ones who plan to send their kids back this summer are certifiable.

This comment referred families asking for sympathy - so the families from last summer:
“And then those families ask for sympathy over foolhardy risk taking decisions.”

No, the comment was referring to those choosing to return. Read the two preceding comments. No one is faulting families for the 2025 tragedy. They are faulting the lax Kerr Co safety precautions for an area known to flood and the minimal safety plans and means of communication by Camp Mystic's leaders.

Where are those families asking for sympathy from you?

The posters arguing in favor of the camp opening.

So - not the families of returning campers? People saying don't judge have you flipping out?

Who is flipping out? Most of us (other than you) are in agreement that the camp should never reopen and those wanting to return are nuts.

That's fine but getting hysterical about it calling people names and saying (erroneously) that someone is demanding your sympathy seems like an overreaction.

You exaggerate and misinterpret, then run with your feelings. No one said 'demanding sympathy," and no one is hysterical.

Again, nobody asked for your sympathy. More kids in your own zip code will die in backyard pools or from not wearing a bike helmet this summer than some random girls in a freak 100 yr flood. Yet not much concern for the very real threat closer to home.

Again, and we’ve told you this several times: This is an anonymous DC-based discussion forum. We discuss what we like here, particularly on the Off-Topic forum. You don’t get to decide what we discuss, just because you don’t like it. If we want to discuss our thoughts about the parents trying to send their kids back to Camp Mystic or the camp leaders, we will. And we will do it any manner we please.

And we are free to tell you that you’re a judgmental busybody who should leave these poor families alone FFS.

We aren't bothering them. It's an internet forum. No one is forcing you to read our posts. It was and is a a national story with ongoing updates that we will continue to discuss.

And we will continue to call out your grotesque comments trashing the families.

Anyone that would trust the Eastlands with the care of their child, knowing what they know now, is severely lacking in critical thinking skills.

You don’t know anything about them.

Stop acting like you know everything about everything; you don’t. MYOFB.

We've read their inadequate safety plans. We saw their inability to answer basic safety questions in court. We know they had internal family conflicts and lawsuits over money. We know that in recent documents they still don't want to list camp structures as being in a floodplain. We know they were asleep when warnings went out instead of staying up and monitoring their campers' safety. We know they had no sirens or other way to communicate with their counselors. You can't tell us what to think.

What is this we crap? Why are you reading their safety plans?

Anyone who reads Texas news. Maybe you should.

I should read safety plans about a camp my kids don’t go to? What a strange hobby.

The tragedy of Camp Mystic and the hubris of the Eastland family is national news. As a parent who has sent my kids to sleepaway camp, I have discussed Camp Mystic with friends and read about it on this site. We are truly astounded by the greed of the Eastlands and their push to reopen the camp without basic safety plans in place. Imagine being a parent who sends their daughter back to this place?

Imagine being the parent of a child who almost died and who possibly watched their friends die last summer. You can't even begin to. Yet you pass your judgment on people whose shoes you've never walked in. I'm not the PP but I am annoyed by people like you who think you're so holier than thou and smarter than these dumb Texans and so much better than these parents. You can do whatever you want. Don't send your kids to Camp Mystic. No one is asking you to. But being a judgmental Janice isn't a good look.

This is a far bigger story and issue than Texas. Sorry, but when 27 young people die due to negligence of a century old camp, it puts camps all over the country on notice. That, in turn, affects millions of kids and families for years to come.

I don't care how we "look" to you. If you had an ounce of compassion, you would care enough about children and future campers all over the country to want this situation fully litigated and blame cast where it is due, to prevent something like this horrific tragedy from ever happening again.

I'm sorry you have such a hard time following the thread of a discussion. The PP was judging parents who would send their daughters back to this camp. That has nothing to do with the fact that this camp was negligent and that it shouldn't open again. You can't even see past your manufactured fury to understand the point that's being made.

Exactly.

Trash the camp all you want.

Don’t trash the grieving families.

No one is trashing the grieving families. They don’t want the camo to open either. The parents sending their kids back are a whole different story and we can think of them whatever we like.

WTF? They are also grieving families.

Don’t trash the families, a-hole.

It is not”trashing” them to say that they are making the wrong decision to entrust the Eastlands with their children, knowing what we know now.

Reasonable adults try to make the best decisions for their children. Those parents who are sending their children back are not. I hope their friends spoke up for their children. Someone needs to be looking out for them.

^^ Trashing grieving families

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Anonymous wrote:No one is faulting the families of the girls who died last summer. We are saying the ones who plan to send their kids back this summer are certifiable.

This comment referred families asking for sympathy - so the families from last summer:
“And then those families ask for sympathy over foolhardy risk taking decisions.”

No, the comment was referring to those choosing to return. Read the two preceding comments. No one is faulting families for the 2025 tragedy. They are faulting the lax Kerr Co safety precautions for an area known to flood and the minimal safety plans and means of communication by Camp Mystic's leaders.

Where are those families asking for sympathy from you?

The posters arguing in favor of the camp opening.

So - not the families of returning campers? People saying don't judge have you flipping out?

Who is flipping out? Most of us (other than you) are in agreement that the camp should never reopen and those wanting to return are nuts.

That's fine but getting hysterical about it calling people names and saying (erroneously) that someone is demanding your sympathy seems like an overreaction.

You exaggerate and misinterpret, then run with your feelings. No one said 'demanding sympathy," and no one is hysterical.

Again, nobody asked for your sympathy. More kids in your own zip code will die in backyard pools or from not wearing a bike helmet this summer than some random girls in a freak 100 yr flood. Yet not much concern for the very real threat closer to home.

Again, and we’ve told you this several times: This is an anonymous DC-based discussion forum. We discuss what we like here, particularly on the Off-Topic forum. You don’t get to decide what we discuss, just because you don’t like it. If we want to discuss our thoughts about the parents trying to send their kids back to Camp Mystic or the camp leaders, we will. And we will do it any manner we please.

And we are free to tell you that you’re a judgmental busybody who should leave these poor families alone FFS.

We aren't bothering them. It's an internet forum. No one is forcing you to read our posts. It was and is a a national story with ongoing updates that we will continue to discuss.

And we will continue to call out your grotesque comments trashing the families.

Anyone that would trust the Eastlands with the care of their child, knowing what they know now, is severely lacking in critical thinking skills.

You don’t know anything about them.

Stop acting like you know everything about everything; you don’t. MYOFB.

We've read their inadequate safety plans. We saw their inability to answer basic safety questions in court. We know they had internal family conflicts and lawsuits over money. We know that in recent documents they still don't want to list camp structures as being in a floodplain. We know they were asleep when warnings went out instead of staying up and monitoring their campers' safety. We know they had no sirens or other way to communicate with their counselors. You can't tell us what to think.

What is this we crap? Why are you reading their safety plans?

Anyone who reads Texas news. Maybe you should.

I should read safety plans about a camp my kids don’t go to? What a strange hobby.

The tragedy of Camp Mystic and the hubris of the Eastland family is national news. As a parent who has sent my kids to sleepaway camp, I have discussed Camp Mystic with friends and read about it on this site. We are truly astounded by the greed of the Eastlands and their push to reopen the camp without basic safety plans in place. Imagine being a parent who sends their daughter back to this place?

Imagine being the parent of a child who almost died and who possibly watched their friends die last summer. You can't even begin to. Yet you pass your judgment on people whose shoes you've never walked in. I'm not the PP but I am annoyed by people like you who think you're so holier than thou and smarter than these dumb Texans and so much better than these parents. You can do whatever you want. Don't send your kids to Camp Mystic. No one is asking you to. But being a judgmental Janice isn't a good look.

This is a far bigger story and issue than Texas. Sorry, but when 27 young people die due to negligence of a century old camp, it puts camps all over the country on notice. That, in turn, affects millions of kids and families for years to come.

I don't care how we "look" to you. If you had an ounce of compassion, you would care enough about children and future campers all over the country to want this situation fully litigated and blame cast where it is due, to prevent something like this horrific tragedy from ever happening again.

I'm sorry you have such a hard time following the thread of a discussion. The PP was judging parents who would send their daughters back to this camp. That has nothing to do with the fact that this camp was negligent and that it shouldn't open again. You can't even see past your manufactured fury to understand the point that's being made.

Exactly.

Trash the camp all you want.

Don’t trash the grieving families.

No one is trashing the grieving families. They don’t want the camo to open either. The parents sending their kids back are a whole different story and we can think of them whatever we like.

WTF? They are also grieving families.

Don’t trash the families, a-hole.

It is not”trashing” them to say that they are making the wrong decision to entrust the Eastlands with their children, knowing what we know now.

+1. Damn right they should be judged. They are more concerned about the social implications of closing this camp, and how it may damage their daughters' ability to pledge Pi Beta Phi at UT Austin, than they are about the criminal negligence that took place here.

^^ trashing grieving families

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Anonymous wrote:Putting the trolls aside, I watched the second hearing today. I just wanted to say how in awe I am of the parents that spoke. All of them were so amazing. I sobbed through most of it - I hope they can all find some kind of peace someday.

It’s not “trolling” to say that people shouldn’t trash the grieving families.

The grieving families no longer have daughters to send back to the camp. Try to keep up.

Most of families were traumatized and lost dear friends. Try to keep up.

How dare you imply that is the equivalent of losing your own daughter.

No one said that? If I lose my daughter in a plane crash and you only lose your best friend, you don't get to grieve? Got it.

Of course I would grieve. But I would never, ever presume that my level of loss, or grief or pain comes anywhere close to yours.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is faulting the families of the girls who died last summer. We are saying the ones who plan to send their kids back this summer are certifiable.

This comment referred families asking for sympathy - so the families from last summer:
“And then those families ask for sympathy over foolhardy risk taking decisions.”

No, the comment was referring to those choosing to return. Read the two preceding comments. No one is faulting families for the 2025 tragedy. They are faulting the lax Kerr Co safety precautions for an area known to flood and the minimal safety plans and means of communication by Camp Mystic's leaders.

Where are those families asking for sympathy from you?

The posters arguing in favor of the camp opening.

So - not the families of returning campers? People saying don't judge have you flipping out?

Who is flipping out? Most of us (other than you) are in agreement that the camp should never reopen and those wanting to return are nuts.

That's fine but getting hysterical about it calling people names and saying (erroneously) that someone is demanding your sympathy seems like an overreaction.

You exaggerate and misinterpret, then run with your feelings. No one said 'demanding sympathy," and no one is hysterical.

Again, nobody asked for your sympathy. More kids in your own zip code will die in backyard pools or from not wearing a bike helmet this summer than some random girls in a freak 100 yr flood. Yet not much concern for the very real threat closer to home.

Again, and we’ve told you this several times: This is an anonymous DC-based discussion forum. We discuss what we like here, particularly on the Off-Topic forum. You don’t get to decide what we discuss, just because you don’t like it. If we want to discuss our thoughts about the parents trying to send their kids back to Camp Mystic or the camp leaders, we will. And we will do it any manner we please.

And we are free to tell you that you’re a judgmental busybody who should leave these poor families alone FFS.

We aren't bothering them. It's an internet forum. No one is forcing you to read our posts. It was and is a a national story with ongoing updates that we will continue to discuss.

And we will continue to call out your grotesque comments trashing the families.

Anyone that would trust the Eastlands with the care of their child, knowing what they know now, is severely lacking in critical thinking skills.

You don’t know anything about them.

Stop acting like you know everything about everything; you don’t. MYOFB.

We've read their inadequate safety plans. We saw their inability to answer basic safety questions in court. We know they had internal family conflicts and lawsuits over money. We know that in recent documents they still don't want to list camp structures as being in a floodplain. We know they were asleep when warnings went out instead of staying up and monitoring their campers' safety. We know they had no sirens or other way to communicate with their counselors. You can't tell us what to think.

What is this we crap? Why are you reading their safety plans?

Anyone who reads Texas news. Maybe you should.

I should read safety plans about a camp my kids don’t go to? What a strange hobby.

The tragedy of Camp Mystic and the hubris of the Eastland family is national news. As a parent who has sent my kids to sleepaway camp, I have discussed Camp Mystic with friends and read about it on this site. We are truly astounded by the greed of the Eastlands and their push to reopen the camp without basic safety plans in place. Imagine being a parent who sends their daughter back to this place?

Imagine being the parent of a child who almost died and who possibly watched their friends die last summer. You can't even begin to. Yet you pass your judgment on people whose shoes you've never walked in. I'm not the PP but I am annoyed by people like you who think you're so holier than thou and smarter than these dumb Texans and so much better than these parents. You can do whatever you want. Don't send your kids to Camp Mystic. No one is asking you to. But being a judgmental Janice isn't a good look.

This is a far bigger story and issue than Texas. Sorry, but when 27 young people die due to negligence of a century old camp, it puts camps all over the country on notice. That, in turn, affects millions of kids and families for years to come.

I don't care how we "look" to you. If you had an ounce of compassion, you would care enough about children and future campers all over the country to want this situation fully litigated and blame cast where it is due, to prevent something like this horrific tragedy from ever happening again.

I'm sorry you have such a hard time following the thread of a discussion. The PP was judging parents who would send their daughters back to this camp. That has nothing to do with the fact that this camp was negligent and that it shouldn't open again. You can't even see past your manufactured fury to understand the point that's being made.

Exactly.

Trash the camp all you want.

Don’t trash the grieving families.

I'll judge the parents who are sending their children back to this mess all I want. Grief doesn't give anyone a free pass if they're not doing the right thing for their children.

^^ trashing grieving families

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Anonymous wrote:No one is faulting the families of the girls who died last summer. We are saying the ones who plan to send their kids back this summer are certifiable.

This comment referred families asking for sympathy - so the families from last summer:
“And then those families ask for sympathy over foolhardy risk taking decisions.”

No, the comment was referring to those choosing to return. Read the two preceding comments. No one is faulting families for the 2025 tragedy. They are faulting the lax Kerr Co safety precautions for an area known to flood and the minimal safety plans and means of communication by Camp Mystic's leaders.

Where are those families asking for sympathy from you?

The posters arguing in favor of the camp opening.

So - not the families of returning campers? People saying don't judge have you flipping out?

Who is flipping out? Most of us (other than you) are in agreement that the camp should never reopen and those wanting to return are nuts.

That's fine but getting hysterical about it calling people names and saying (erroneously) that someone is demanding your sympathy seems like an overreaction.

You exaggerate and misinterpret, then run with your feelings. No one said 'demanding sympathy," and no one is hysterical.

Again, nobody asked for your sympathy. More kids in your own zip code will die in backyard pools or from not wearing a bike helmet this summer than some random girls in a freak 100 yr flood. Yet not much concern for the very real threat closer to home.

Again, and we’ve told you this several times: This is an anonymous DC-based discussion forum. We discuss what we like here, particularly on the Off-Topic forum. You don’t get to decide what we discuss, just because you don’t like it. If we want to discuss our thoughts about the parents trying to send their kids back to Camp Mystic or the camp leaders, we will. And we will do it any manner we please.

And we are free to tell you that you’re a judgmental busybody who should leave these poor families alone FFS.

We aren't bothering them. It's an internet forum. No one is forcing you to read our posts. It was and is a a national story with ongoing updates that we will continue to discuss.

And we will continue to call out your grotesque comments trashing the families.

Anyone that would trust the Eastlands with the care of their child, knowing what they know now, is severely lacking in critical thinking skills.

You don’t know anything about them.

Stop acting like you know everything about everything; you don’t. MYOFB.

We've read their inadequate safety plans. We saw their inability to answer basic safety questions in court. We know they had internal family conflicts and lawsuits over money. We know that in recent documents they still don't want to list camp structures as being in a floodplain. We know they were asleep when warnings went out instead of staying up and monitoring their campers' safety. We know they had no sirens or other way to communicate with their counselors. You can't tell us what to think.

What is this we crap? Why are you reading their safety plans?

Anyone who reads Texas news. Maybe you should.

I should read safety plans about a camp my kids don’t go to? What a strange hobby.

The tragedy of Camp Mystic and the hubris of the Eastland family is national news. As a parent who has sent my kids to sleepaway camp, I have discussed Camp Mystic with friends and read about it on this site. We are truly astounded by the greed of the Eastlands and their push to reopen the camp without basic safety plans in place. Imagine being a parent who sends their daughter back to this place?

Imagine being the parent of a child who almost died and who possibly watched their friends die last summer. You can't even begin to. Yet you pass your judgment on people whose shoes you've never walked in. I'm not the PP but I am annoyed by people like you who think you're so holier than thou and smarter than these dumb Texans and so much better than these parents. You can do whatever you want. Don't send your kids to Camp Mystic. No one is asking you to. But being a judgmental Janice isn't a good look.

This is a far bigger story and issue than Texas. Sorry, but when 27 young people die due to negligence of a century old camp, it puts camps all over the country on notice. That, in turn, affects millions of kids and families for years to come.

I don't care how we "look" to you. If you had an ounce of compassion, you would care enough about children and future campers all over the country to want this situation fully litigated and blame cast where it is due, to prevent something like this horrific tragedy from ever happening again.

I'm sorry you have such a hard time following the thread of a discussion. The PP was judging parents who would send their daughters back to this camp. That has nothing to do with the fact that this camp was negligent and that it shouldn't open again. You can't even see past your manufactured fury to understand the point that's being made.

Exactly.

Trash the camp all you want.

Don’t trash the grieving families.

No one is trashing the grieving families. They don’t want the camo to open either. The parents sending their kids back are a whole different story and we can think of them whatever we like.

WTF? They are also grieving families.

Don’t trash the families, a-hole.

It is not”trashing” them to say that they are making the wrong decision to entrust the Eastlands with their children, knowing what we know now.

Reasonable adults try to make the best decisions for their children. Those parents who are sending their children back are not. I hope their friends spoke up for their children. Someone needs to be looking out for them.

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Their grief is obviously pretty short lived if they can't wait to get their kids back to this camp.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is faulting the families of the girls who died last summer. We are saying the ones who plan to send their kids back this summer are certifiable.

This comment referred families asking for sympathy - so the families from last summer:
“And then those families ask for sympathy over foolhardy risk taking decisions.”

No, the comment was referring to those choosing to return. Read the two preceding comments. No one is faulting families for the 2025 tragedy. They are faulting the lax Kerr Co safety precautions for an area known to flood and the minimal safety plans and means of communication by Camp Mystic's leaders.

Where are those families asking for sympathy from you?

The posters arguing in favor of the camp opening.

So - not the families of returning campers? People saying don't judge have you flipping out?

Who is flipping out? Most of us (other than you) are in agreement that the camp should never reopen and those wanting to return are nuts.

That's fine but getting hysterical about it calling people names and saying (erroneously) that someone is demanding your sympathy seems like an overreaction.

You exaggerate and misinterpret, then run with your feelings. No one said 'demanding sympathy," and no one is hysterical.

Again, nobody asked for your sympathy. More kids in your own zip code will die in backyard pools or from not wearing a bike helmet this summer than some random girls in a freak 100 yr flood. Yet not much concern for the very real threat closer to home.

Again, and we’ve told you this several times: This is an anonymous DC-based discussion forum. We discuss what we like here, particularly on the Off-Topic forum. You don’t get to decide what we discuss, just because you don’t like it. If we want to discuss our thoughts about the parents trying to send their kids back to Camp Mystic or the camp leaders, we will. And we will do it any manner we please.

And we are free to tell you that you’re a judgmental busybody who should leave these poor families alone FFS.

We aren't bothering them. It's an internet forum. No one is forcing you to read our posts. It was and is a a national story with ongoing updates that we will continue to discuss.

And we will continue to call out your grotesque comments trashing the families.

Anyone that would trust the Eastlands with the care of their child, knowing what they know now, is severely lacking in critical thinking skills.

You don’t know anything about them.

Stop acting like you know everything about everything; you don’t. MYOFB.

We've read their inadequate safety plans. We saw their inability to answer basic safety questions in court. We know they had internal family conflicts and lawsuits over money. We know that in recent documents they still don't want to list camp structures as being in a floodplain. We know they were asleep when warnings went out instead of staying up and monitoring their campers' safety. We know they had no sirens or other way to communicate with their counselors. You can't tell us what to think.

What is this we crap? Why are you reading their safety plans?

Anyone who reads Texas news. Maybe you should.

I should read safety plans about a camp my kids don’t go to? What a strange hobby.

The tragedy of Camp Mystic and the hubris of the Eastland family is national news. As a parent who has sent my kids to sleepaway camp, I have discussed Camp Mystic with friends and read about it on this site. We are truly astounded by the greed of the Eastlands and their push to reopen the camp without basic safety plans in place. Imagine being a parent who sends their daughter back to this place?

Imagine being the parent of a child who almost died and who possibly watched their friends die last summer. You can't even begin to. Yet you pass your judgment on people whose shoes you've never walked in. I'm not the PP but I am annoyed by people like you who think you're so holier than thou and smarter than these dumb Texans and so much better than these parents. You can do whatever you want. Don't send your kids to Camp Mystic. No one is asking you to. But being a judgmental Janice isn't a good look.

This is a far bigger story and issue than Texas. Sorry, but when 27 young people die due to negligence of a century old camp, it puts camps all over the country on notice. That, in turn, affects millions of kids and families for years to come.

I don't care how we "look" to you. If you had an ounce of compassion, you would care enough about children and future campers all over the country to want this situation fully litigated and blame cast where it is due, to prevent something like this horrific tragedy from ever happening again.

I'm sorry you have such a hard time following the thread of a discussion. The PP was judging parents who would send their daughters back to this camp. That has nothing to do with the fact that this camp was negligent and that it shouldn't open again. You can't even see past your manufactured fury to understand the point that's being made.

I 100% agree with that poster. Any parent who would even consider sending a child back to that camp, ever- let alone this coming summer- is out of their mind.

Well don't worry, I'm sure there are plenty of choices you make that people judge you for. Some people just try not to judge because they're not in someone else's shoes. The camp did something criminally negligent - you can judge them because they broke the laws. The families of kids who watched their friends die deserve some respect and freedom from your judgment, in my mind. But you're the same people who will trash the backcountry skiers for dying because you're just the kind of person. You do you, some of us are going to find you gross.

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Judging these families is truly repulsive.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting the trolls aside, I watched the second hearing today. I just wanted to say how in awe I am of the parents that spoke. All of them were so amazing. I sobbed through most of it - I hope they can all find some kind of peace someday.

It’s not “trolling” to say that people shouldn’t trash the grieving families.

The grieving families no longer have daughters to send back to the camp. Try to keep up.

Most of families were traumatized and lost dear friends. Try to keep up.

How dare you imply that is the equivalent of losing your own daughter.

What's gross is someone here using this tragedy to further their own weird personal agenda.

You clearly have an “agenda” that people should still be allowed to entrust the Eastlands with the care of more children. That is very misguided and hopefully the state of Texas takes the decision out of their hands. I would not trust the Eastlands to care for my goldfish.

Yep, you are using this for some sick reason. It’s gross.

I am none of the PPs in this thread but you are also using this story for some sick reason. Sure, you're going to say that it will cause camps across the country to be safer, and yeah, of course that's a good thing. But why are you so vocally and vehemently judging families whose children lost their friends? Why can't you see that you can have a conversation about why the camp should never have been allowed to be open and should never be opened again without passing judgment on people you don't know? That's the behavior that's gross, by the way. It's like you people use a tragedy to condemn others (and by others I don't mean the Eastlands) to make yourselves feel better because YOU would never put your children in a dangerous situation. It's shocking to me that you wouldn't lead with compassion and empathy for people whose children suffered. You pretend to do so for the families whose children died who don't want the camp to reopen. I'm not saying the camp should reopen. I'm saying you can have a conversation about all the things related to the camp and how badly it was run and how much the state of Texas failed its citizens without criticizing the parents whose children survived. THAT is what is gross.

Exactly.

Trash the camp all you want.

Don't be a dick and trash the families.

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Anonymous wrote:No one is faulting the families of the girls who died last summer. We are saying the ones who plan to send their kids back this summer are certifiable.

This comment referred families asking for sympathy - so the families from last summer:
“And then those families ask for sympathy over foolhardy risk taking decisions.”

No, the comment was referring to those choosing to return. Read the two preceding comments. No one is faulting families for the 2025 tragedy. They are faulting the lax Kerr Co safety precautions for an area known to flood and the minimal safety plans and means of communication by Camp Mystic's leaders.

Where are those families asking for sympathy from you?

The posters arguing in favor of the camp opening.

So - not the families of returning campers? People saying don't judge have you flipping out?

Who is flipping out? Most of us (other than you) are in agreement that the camp should never reopen and those wanting to return are nuts.

That's fine but getting hysterical about it calling people names and saying (erroneously) that someone is demanding your sympathy seems like an overreaction.

You exaggerate and misinterpret, then run with your feelings. No one said 'demanding sympathy," and no one is hysterical.

Again, nobody asked for your sympathy. More kids in your own zip code will die in backyard pools or from not wearing a bike helmet this summer than some random girls in a freak 100 yr flood. Yet not much concern for the very real threat closer to home.

Again, and we’ve told you this several times: This is an anonymous DC-based discussion forum. We discuss what we like here, particularly on the Off-Topic forum. You don’t get to decide what we discuss, just because you don’t like it. If we want to discuss our thoughts about the parents trying to send their kids back to Camp Mystic or the camp leaders, we will. And we will do it any manner we please.

And we are free to tell you that you’re a judgmental busybody who should leave these poor families alone FFS.

We aren't bothering them. It's an internet forum. No one is forcing you to read our posts. It was and is a a national story with ongoing updates that we will continue to discuss.

And we will continue to call out your grotesque comments trashing the families.

Anyone that would trust the Eastlands with the care of their child, knowing what they know now, is severely lacking in critical thinking skills.

You don’t know anything about them.

Stop acting like you know everything about everything; you don’t. MYOFB.

We've read their inadequate safety plans. We saw their inability to answer basic safety questions in court. We know they had internal family conflicts and lawsuits over money. We know that in recent documents they still don't want to list camp structures as being in a floodplain. We know they were asleep when warnings went out instead of staying up and monitoring their campers' safety. We know they had no sirens or other way to communicate with their counselors. You can't tell us what to think.

What is this we crap? Why are you reading their safety plans?

Anyone who reads Texas news. Maybe you should.

I should read safety plans about a camp my kids don’t go to? What a strange hobby.

The tragedy of Camp Mystic and the hubris of the Eastland family is national news. As a parent who has sent my kids to sleepaway camp, I have discussed Camp Mystic with friends and read about it on this site. We are truly astounded by the greed of the Eastlands and their push to reopen the camp without basic safety plans in place. Imagine being a parent who sends their daughter back to this place?

Imagine being the parent of a child who almost died and who possibly watched their friends die last summer. You can't even begin to. Yet you pass your judgment on people whose shoes you've never walked in. I'm not the PP but I am annoyed by people like you who think you're so holier than thou and smarter than these dumb Texans and so much better than these parents. You can do whatever you want. Don't send your kids to Camp Mystic. No one is asking you to. But being a judgmental Janice isn't a good look.

This is a far bigger story and issue than Texas. Sorry, but when 27 young people die due to negligence of a century old camp, it puts camps all over the country on notice. That, in turn, affects millions of kids and families for years to come.

I don't care how we "look" to you. If you had an ounce of compassion, you would care enough about children and future campers all over the country to want this situation fully litigated and blame cast where it is due, to prevent something like this horrific tragedy from ever happening again.

I'm sorry you have such a hard time following the thread of a discussion. The PP was judging parents who would send their daughters back to this camp. That has nothing to do with the fact that this camp was negligent and that it shouldn't open again. You can't even see past your manufactured fury to understand the point that's being made.

Exactly.

Trash the camp all you want.

Don’t trash the grieving families.

No one is trashing the grieving families. They don’t want the camo to open either. The parents sending their kids back are a whole different story and we can think of them whatever we like.

WTF? They are also grieving families.

Don’t trash the families, a-hole.

It is not”trashing” them to say that they are making the wrong decision to entrust the Eastlands with their children, knowing what we know now.

Reasonable adults try to make the best decisions for their children. Those parents who are sending their children back are not. I hope their friends spoke up for their children. Someone needs to be looking out for them.

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Their grief is obviously pretty short lived if they can't wait to get their kids back to this camp.

^^ so much ignorance and hubris -- disgusting

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This isn’t a “reasonable people could disagree” type of situation. It is NOT rational or reasonable to send children back to a camp where 27 people died out of sheer negligence on behalf of camp owners and staff.