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Anonymous wrote:Idk it sounds like Blair, Northwood, and Einstein just want more APs at their home schools. Like that’s it. Forget all this busing around and lotterying and programs. More APs than the baseline from what is presently proposed. This does run into the question of demand, and I would agree that if there isn’t demand you shouldn’t offer the course. Idk maybe just stick all the money into dedicated bus service for MC for when the classes don’t have enough demand.

What is the "baseline"? All they are saying is every school should offer calculus. What calculus? Is it AP? If so AB and BC or just BC. And is the baseline all in person or are they going to make some classes virtual?

Baseline that they’ve described is Calc BC. I have only ever heard vague suggestions of doing something virtual. I wouldn’t oppose it for individual classes if that’s the only thing that can happen, but virtual is by no means ideal.

They are not bringing back virtual. They've been clear otherwise, the virtual school families that. Offering multiple post BC classes at some schools and not others is not equity. Why should some schools get multiple advanced math classes, and other schools max out at BC? The lack of stem and not having access to Wheaton and Blair is a huge issue for us. We made the mistake with our first child, but we will not do that again.

MCPS also doesn't allow you to privately pay for virtual or private classes and accept them as credit. There is a way to do it for some AP classes but nothing outside of AP or beyond. Nor do they allow for independent study.

Yes, you, who I’m guessing is at Einstein, want more APs and MVC. No, they cannot all be offered. Yes, some method of offering those classes should occur. I understand you seem unwilling to deal with reality and will repeat that virtual and MC are impossible for you. No, we don’t get to choose how our tax dollars are spent beyond voting.

Virtual is fine. MCPS is not offering it. MC is impossible as if students take 6 classes at HS, the only time is during school, which means a reduced schedule that impacts graduation, and the times don't align or after school, which doesn't work with sports and activities. The best solution is to align the HS schedules and offer these classes virtually. However, MCPS has been clear they are against virtual and they are not bringing it back, so its a non-discussion.

And, one of my kids wants linear algebra, not just MVC. You know, the classes offered at your schools.

WJ doesn't have linear algebra. A friend of my DS wanted it and found a way to make MC work. Another friend wanted it but decided to take Stats to graduate and wait until college for linear algebra. My DS didn't need any higher than BC so WJ was fine but he really wanted to take two advanced electives in another core subject that ended up conflicting in the master schedule so they chose one. That is kind of life in public school.

That’s great one could make it work, but why not offer it to all students. And, saying your child wanted two classes but it conflicted is different. Your school at least has mvc.

I support funding schools to offer the same core of advanced classes. I think whether or not MVC should be in the core is open for debate. In general, I would like to see more focus on building up each school than on choice programming.

Yes MVC and linear algebra are different than the classes DS wanted. But the point is that in public school, and in life in general, we can't always get everything we want when we want it.

You don't support equal access, as you only deem BC necessary, as that was the highest your child needed/was able to take. Minimum should be MVC, as some schools start kids in Algebra in 6th. If you support the same core advanced classes, that should include MVC and Linear Algebra. Just because your kids don't want it (and many don't), some do, and it should be available to all. The choice programming is a waste of time, given there is no extra funding for staff or supplies. That's why the schools chosen for STEM are ones that already have it, vs. creating a new program in a school that doesn't have it.

Getting enough math to graduate isn't about what they want; it's about what they need. And, all students should have the same access to all the classes given its one school district. You are making it sound like its just a few classse, when its not just a few classes, its a huge number of classes that your kids got access to (regardless of if they choose them or not) vs. what we are offered.

This is going to solve itself because they are changing the elementary and middle school pathways and no one is going to be taking Algebra 1 in 6th. Very few kids even do so right now. They should have been prevented from doing so in the first place because they run into issues like this in high school.

+1. This issue is solved by not advancing kids to this level so early unless the parent understands that their child will finish the high school math offerings early and will need to attend MC to continue their math. This is so few kids and yet occupies so many threads.

But I think the people (more likely, person) that post about this are highly prolific posters. This is no where near a problem that is common.

There are a good number in the DCC making it to MVC. Same with the W schools and BCC. You'd know it if your kids were on that track.

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Anonymous wrote:You could move. We did that due to the prior school district not offer what we needed.

Moving is very expensive. For us, private would be cheaper. Or, if we move we are leaving the county.

Yeah we took a long time to build up to moving. In the end it was really our only choice. It was expensive but looking around at privates here it was less expensive. Plus we wanted to build equity as that may eventually help with college funds.

I'm not sure how equity helps with college, except if you sell the house. For us, private for four years is cheaper, even at $200K for HS. I have no interest in moving.

Yes, selling the house. Then moving to an apartment.

How does that make sense as you never own anything and come retirement, you are paying rent still. Buy what you can afford and pay it off.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how the DCC makes it a lot easier to access high-level STEM classes than the proposed new model. As far as I can tell, the 2 schools in the DCC that have a lot of STEM classes are Blair and Wheaton- is that right? Now these 2 schools will be in different regions, but there will be other schools in those regions with strong STEM offerings.

Also the DCC doesn't mean you can choose whichever school you want; you have to be selected from the lottery.

Location and with the new model less kids will have the opportunity to go. Bussing kids to Whitman is a nightmare. You have to get them back and forth to their home school and for when they go late or early you are fully responsible for transportation regardless of your job, other kids, and going cross county in traffic. Wheaton and Whitman are much closer. Plus, the culture is very different. We could afford to live in a w school area and choose not to.

And, if you don’t get into the magnets you can try to lottery or cosa in and still take stem. Wheaton and Blair are 10-15 one way, Whitman could easily be 30 minutes driving directly. More either way traffic.

I see. Yes, Einstein and Wheaton are very close, so I can see the frustration in those schools not being in the same region and the loss of access from that. On the other hand, BCC becomes an option, and there might be more spots available at Blair since it's only open to 5 schools. And COSA will always be an option, that's not dependent on the DCC.

But with this new plan you can't even get into BCC unless you want the IB program, apply for and get accepted into one of a fairly small number of spots in the IB program (which BCC kids get extra preference for), and decide you're going to stick with the IB program all 4 years. (Also presumably means you have to do IB rather than AP math and science, which not everyone wants.)

Yeah, I agree that's a limitation. BCC not only will have IB, but they also have more APs than 3 of the Region 1 schools, but you can't go to BCC for "more APs."

Actually, has anyone asks what happens if someone drops out of a program after 9th or 10th grade - do they have to transfer back to their home school?

Currently, you have to go back to your home school (at least that’s what Bair put on its website for the magnet program).

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Anonymous wrote:You could move. We did that due to the prior school district not offer what we needed.

Moving is very expensive. For us, private would be cheaper. Or, if we move we are leaving the county.

Yeah we took a long time to build up to moving. In the end it was really our only choice. It was expensive but looking around at privates here it was less expensive. Plus we wanted to build equity as that may eventually help with college funds.

I'm not sure how equity helps with college, except if you sell the house. For us, private for four years is cheaper, even at $200K for HS. I have no interest in moving.

Yes, selling the house. Then moving to an apartment.

How does that make sense as you never own anything and come retirement, you are paying rent still. Buy what you can afford and pay it off.

Well let me worry about myself and my portfolio and you can worry about you. I personally think private is a true waste of money that provides no returns (particularly if you can afford full tuition).

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Anonymous wrote:Idk it sounds like Blair, Northwood, and Einstein just want more APs at their home schools. Like that’s it. Forget all this busing around and lotterying and programs. More APs than the baseline from what is presently proposed. This does run into the question of demand, and I would agree that if there isn’t demand you shouldn’t offer the course. Idk maybe just stick all the money into dedicated bus service for MC for when the classes don’t have enough demand.

What is the "baseline"? All they are saying is every school should offer calculus. What calculus? Is it AP? If so AB and BC or just BC. And is the baseline all in person or are they going to make some classes virtual?

Baseline that they’ve described is Calc BC. I have only ever heard vague suggestions of doing something virtual. I wouldn’t oppose it for individual classes if that’s the only thing that can happen, but virtual is by no means ideal.

They are not bringing back virtual. They've been clear otherwise, the virtual school families that. Offering multiple post BC classes at some schools and not others is not equity. Why should some schools get multiple advanced math classes, and other schools max out at BC? The lack of stem and not having access to Wheaton and Blair is a huge issue for us. We made the mistake with our first child, but we will not do that again.

MCPS also doesn't allow you to privately pay for virtual or private classes and accept them as credit. There is a way to do it for some AP classes but nothing outside of AP or beyond. Nor do they allow for independent study.

Yes, you, who I’m guessing is at Einstein, want more APs and MVC. No, they cannot all be offered. Yes, some method of offering those classes should occur. I understand you seem unwilling to deal with reality and will repeat that virtual and MC are impossible for you. No, we don’t get to choose how our tax dollars are spent beyond voting.

Virtual is fine. MCPS is not offering it. MC is impossible as if students take 6 classes at HS, the only time is during school, which means a reduced schedule that impacts graduation, and the times don't align or after school, which doesn't work with sports and activities. The best solution is to align the HS schedules and offer these classes virtually. However, MCPS has been clear they are against virtual and they are not bringing it back, so its a non-discussion.

And, one of my kids wants linear algebra, not just MVC. You know, the classes offered at your schools.

WJ doesn't have linear algebra. A friend of my DS wanted it and found a way to make MC work. Another friend wanted it but decided to take Stats to graduate and wait until college for linear algebra. My DS didn't need any higher than BC so WJ was fine but he really wanted to take two advanced electives in another core subject that ended up conflicting in the master schedule so they chose one. That is kind of life in public school.

That’s great one could make it work, but why not offer it to all students. And, saying your child wanted two classes but it conflicted is different. Your school at least has mvc.

I support funding schools to offer the same core of advanced classes. I think whether or not MVC should be in the core is open for debate. In general, I would like to see more focus on building up each school than on choice programming.

Yes MVC and linear algebra are different than the classes DS wanted. But the point is that in public school, and in life in general, we can't always get everything we want when we want it.

You don't support equal access, as you only deem BC necessary, as that was the highest your child needed/was able to take. Minimum should be MVC, as some schools start kids in Algebra in 6th. If you support the same core advanced classes, that should include MVC and Linear Algebra. Just because your kids don't want it (and many don't), some do, and it should be available to all. The choice programming is a waste of time, given there is no extra funding for staff or supplies. That's why the schools chosen for STEM are ones that already have it, vs. creating a new program in a school that doesn't have it.

Getting enough math to graduate isn't about what they want; it's about what they need. And, all students should have the same access to all the classes given its one school district. You are making it sound like its just a few classse, when its not just a few classes, its a huge number of classes that your kids got access to (regardless of if they choose them or not) vs. what we are offered.

This is going to solve itself because they are changing the elementary and middle school pathways and no one is going to be taking Algebra 1 in 6th. Very few kids even do so right now. They should have been prevented from doing so in the first place because they run into issues like this in high school.

+1. This issue is solved by not advancing kids to this level so early unless the parent understands that their child will finish the high school math offerings early and will need to attend MC to continue their math. This is so few kids and yet occupies so many threads.

But I think the people (more likely, person) that post about this are highly prolific posters. This is no where near a problem that is common.

There are a good number in the DCC making it to MVC. Same with the W schools and BCC. You'd know it if your kids were on that track.

Well if they are all making it work then why can’t you?

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Anonymous wrote:You could move. We did that due to the prior school district not offer what we needed.

Moving is very expensive. For us, private would be cheaper. Or, if we move we are leaving the county.

Yeah we took a long time to build up to moving. In the end it was really our only choice. It was expensive but looking around at privates here it was less expensive. Plus we wanted to build equity as that may eventually help with college funds.

I'm not sure how equity helps with college, except if you sell the house. For us, private for four years is cheaper, even at $200K for HS. I have no interest in moving.

Yes, selling the house. Then moving to an apartment.

How does that make sense as you never own anything and come retirement, you are paying rent still. Buy what you can afford and pay it off.

Well let me worry about myself and my portfolio and you can worry about you. I personally think private is a true waste of money that provides no returns (particularly if you can afford full tuition).

It's unfortunate that you will need to sell the house to pay for college. Private is good for some kids, not for others. The important thing is for your child's needs to be met. Your kids have access and opportunities, mine don't. So the choice is to move, or private. Private is cheaper.

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Anonymous wrote:Idk it sounds like Blair, Northwood, and Einstein just want more APs at their home schools. Like that’s it. Forget all this busing around and lotterying and programs. More APs than the baseline from what is presently proposed. This does run into the question of demand, and I would agree that if there isn’t demand you shouldn’t offer the course. Idk maybe just stick all the money into dedicated bus service for MC for when the classes don’t have enough demand.

What is the "baseline"? All they are saying is every school should offer calculus. What calculus? Is it AP? If so AB and BC or just BC. And is the baseline all in person or are they going to make some classes virtual?

Baseline that they’ve described is Calc BC. I have only ever heard vague suggestions of doing something virtual. I wouldn’t oppose it for individual classes if that’s the only thing that can happen, but virtual is by no means ideal.

They are not bringing back virtual. They've been clear otherwise, the virtual school families that. Offering multiple post BC classes at some schools and not others is not equity. Why should some schools get multiple advanced math classes, and other schools max out at BC? The lack of stem and not having access to Wheaton and Blair is a huge issue for us. We made the mistake with our first child, but we will not do that again.

MCPS also doesn't allow you to privately pay for virtual or private classes and accept them as credit. There is a way to do it for some AP classes but nothing outside of AP or beyond. Nor do they allow for independent study.

Yes, you, who I’m guessing is at Einstein, want more APs and MVC. No, they cannot all be offered. Yes, some method of offering those classes should occur. I understand you seem unwilling to deal with reality and will repeat that virtual and MC are impossible for you. No, we don’t get to choose how our tax dollars are spent beyond voting.

Virtual is fine. MCPS is not offering it. MC is impossible as if students take 6 classes at HS, the only time is during school, which means a reduced schedule that impacts graduation, and the times don't align or after school, which doesn't work with sports and activities. The best solution is to align the HS schedules and offer these classes virtually. However, MCPS has been clear they are against virtual and they are not bringing it back, so its a non-discussion.

And, one of my kids wants linear algebra, not just MVC. You know, the classes offered at your schools.

WJ doesn't have linear algebra. A friend of my DS wanted it and found a way to make MC work. Another friend wanted it but decided to take Stats to graduate and wait until college for linear algebra. My DS didn't need any higher than BC so WJ was fine but he really wanted to take two advanced electives in another core subject that ended up conflicting in the master schedule so they chose one. That is kind of life in public school.

That’s great one could make it work, but why not offer it to all students. And, saying your child wanted two classes but it conflicted is different. Your school at least has mvc.

I support funding schools to offer the same core of advanced classes. I think whether or not MVC should be in the core is open for debate. In general, I would like to see more focus on building up each school than on choice programming.

Yes MVC and linear algebra are different than the classes DS wanted. But the point is that in public school, and in life in general, we can't always get everything we want when we want it.

You don't support equal access, as you only deem BC necessary, as that was the highest your child needed/was able to take. Minimum should be MVC, as some schools start kids in Algebra in 6th. If you support the same core advanced classes, that should include MVC and Linear Algebra. Just because your kids don't want it (and many don't), some do, and it should be available to all. The choice programming is a waste of time, given there is no extra funding for staff or supplies. That's why the schools chosen for STEM are ones that already have it, vs. creating a new program in a school that doesn't have it.

Getting enough math to graduate isn't about what they want; it's about what they need. And, all students should have the same access to all the classes given its one school district. You are making it sound like its just a few classse, when its not just a few classes, its a huge number of classes that your kids got access to (regardless of if they choose them or not) vs. what we are offered.

This is going to solve itself because they are changing the elementary and middle school pathways and no one is going to be taking Algebra 1 in 6th. Very few kids even do so right now. They should have been prevented from doing so in the first place because they run into issues like this in high school.

+1. This issue is solved by not advancing kids to this level so early unless the parent understands that their child will finish the high school math offerings early and will need to attend MC to continue their math. This is so few kids and yet occupies so many threads.

But I think the people (more likely, person) that post about this are highly prolific posters. This is no where near a problem that is common.

There are a good number in the DCC making it to MVC. Same with the W schools and BCC. You'd know it if your kids were on that track.

Well if they are all making it work then why can’t you?

Because we didn't understand that the school didn't offer it as we were told by the principal, the math track wasn't a problem, but now we hear from other families in that situation, they were told the same thing, and it was not true, and the principal/admin provided no support. Had we had known we were have apply to the magnets or to be lotteried to another school. Now we know and will not be making that mistake with the younger ones. They make it work by understanding the course offerings and choosing to lottery via the DCC to Blair or Wheaton. DCC should tell families this.

But, why do you think its ok your kids get access and not others? Just because your kids are not at that level, which is ok, if they were and wanted it, you'd want them to have access too. We all pay property taxes, so the school should be equal.

This is why there is a divide in the DCC, and we don't want our kids to go to your school, because of culture.

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Anonymous wrote:Idk it sounds like Blair, Northwood, and Einstein just want more APs at their home schools. Like that’s it. Forget all this busing around and lotterying and programs. More APs than the baseline from what is presently proposed. This does run into the question of demand, and I would agree that if there isn’t demand you shouldn’t offer the course. Idk maybe just stick all the money into dedicated bus service for MC for when the classes don’t have enough demand.

What is the "baseline"? All they are saying is every school should offer calculus. What calculus? Is it AP? If so AB and BC or just BC. And is the baseline all in person or are they going to make some classes virtual?

Baseline that they’ve described is Calc BC. I have only ever heard vague suggestions of doing something virtual. I wouldn’t oppose it for individual classes if that’s the only thing that can happen, but virtual is by no means ideal.

They are not bringing back virtual. They've been clear otherwise, the virtual school families that. Offering multiple post BC classes at some schools and not others is not equity. Why should some schools get multiple advanced math classes, and other schools max out at BC? The lack of stem and not having access to Wheaton and Blair is a huge issue for us. We made the mistake with our first child, but we will not do that again.

MCPS also doesn't allow you to privately pay for virtual or private classes and accept them as credit. There is a way to do it for some AP classes but nothing outside of AP or beyond. Nor do they allow for independent study.

Yes, you, who I’m guessing is at Einstein, want more APs and MVC. No, they cannot all be offered. Yes, some method of offering those classes should occur. I understand you seem unwilling to deal with reality and will repeat that virtual and MC are impossible for you. No, we don’t get to choose how our tax dollars are spent beyond voting.

Virtual is fine. MCPS is not offering it. MC is impossible as if students take 6 classes at HS, the only time is during school, which means a reduced schedule that impacts graduation, and the times don't align or after school, which doesn't work with sports and activities. The best solution is to align the HS schedules and offer these classes virtually. However, MCPS has been clear they are against virtual and they are not bringing it back, so its a non-discussion.

And, one of my kids wants linear algebra, not just MVC. You know, the classes offered at your schools.

WJ doesn't have linear algebra. A friend of my DS wanted it and found a way to make MC work. Another friend wanted it but decided to take Stats to graduate and wait until college for linear algebra. My DS didn't need any higher than BC so WJ was fine but he really wanted to take two advanced electives in another core subject that ended up conflicting in the master schedule so they chose one. That is kind of life in public school.

That’s great one could make it work, but why not offer it to all students. And, saying your child wanted two classes but it conflicted is different. Your school at least has mvc.

I support funding schools to offer the same core of advanced classes. I think whether or not MVC should be in the core is open for debate. In general, I would like to see more focus on building up each school than on choice programming.

Yes MVC and linear algebra are different than the classes DS wanted. But the point is that in public school, and in life in general, we can't always get everything we want when we want it.

You don't support equal access, as you only deem BC necessary, as that was the highest your child needed/was able to take. Minimum should be MVC, as some schools start kids in Algebra in 6th. If you support the same core advanced classes, that should include MVC and Linear Algebra. Just because your kids don't want it (and many don't), some do, and it should be available to all. The choice programming is a waste of time, given there is no extra funding for staff or supplies. That's why the schools chosen for STEM are ones that already have it, vs. creating a new program in a school that doesn't have it.

Getting enough math to graduate isn't about what they want; it's about what they need. And, all students should have the same access to all the classes given its one school district. You are making it sound like its just a few classse, when its not just a few classes, its a huge number of classes that your kids got access to (regardless of if they choose them or not) vs. what we are offered.

This is going to solve itself because they are changing the elementary and middle school pathways and no one is going to be taking Algebra 1 in 6th. Very few kids even do so right now. They should have been prevented from doing so in the first place because they run into issues like this in high school.

+1. This issue is solved by not advancing kids to this level so early unless the parent understands that their child will finish the high school math offerings early and will need to attend MC to continue their math. This is so few kids and yet occupies so many threads.

But I think the people (more likely, person) that post about this are highly prolific posters. This is no where near a problem that is common.

There are a good number in the DCC making it to MVC. Same with the W schools and BCC. You'd know it if your kids were on that track.

Well if they are all making it work then why can’t you?

Because we didn't understand that the school didn't offer it as we were told by the principal, the math track wasn't a problem, but now we hear from other families in that situation, they were told the same thing, and it was not true, and the principal/admin provided no support. Had we had known we were have apply to the magnets or to be lotteried to another school. Now we know and will not be making that mistake with the younger ones. They make it work by understanding the course offerings and choosing to lottery via the DCC to Blair or Wheaton. DCC should tell families this.

But, why do you think its ok your kids get access and not others? Just because your kids are not at that level, which is ok, if they were and wanted it, you'd want them to have access too. We all pay property taxes, so the school should be equal.

This is why there is a divide in the DCC, and we don't want our kids to go to your school, because of culture.

We know, we know. You won’t send your kid to the school that has the math class your child needs because she’d be in class with kids with expensive sneakers and drugs out at Whitman. I’m sure the private you are choosing to pivot to will have no rich kids with expensive sneakers or drugs.

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One thing that probably would have helped a lot would have been to make the DCC a region and let it keep its programs. Just be straight with folks that they are limiting the capacity of the programs and reducing transportation. Of course people would be upset about that but that would be less disruptive and have fewer equity concerns. People would be able to know they can access established programs instead of taking stuff away and starting things from scratch.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that probably would have helped a lot would have been to make the DCC a region and let it keep its programs. Just be straight with folks that they are limiting the capacity of the programs and reducing transportation. Of course people would be upset about that but that would be less disruptive and have fewer equity concerns. People would be able to know they can access established programs instead of taking stuff away and starting things from scratch.

But if the program is resulting in segregation…should MCPS continue it?

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that probably would have helped a lot would have been to make the DCC a region and let it keep its programs. Just be straight with folks that they are limiting the capacity of the programs and reducing transportation. Of course people would be upset about that but that would be less disruptive and have fewer equity concerns. People would be able to know they can access established programs instead of taking stuff away and starting things from scratch.

But if the program is resulting in segregation…should MCPS continue it?

So, what is the better solution? They aren't adding more stem. Yes, they should continue it. They should also expand the offerings at schools with reduced offerings to make things equal for equity.

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Anonymous wrote:Idk it sounds like Blair, Northwood, and Einstein just want more APs at their home schools. Like that’s it. Forget all this busing around and lotterying and programs. More APs than the baseline from what is presently proposed. This does run into the question of demand, and I would agree that if there isn’t demand you shouldn’t offer the course. Idk maybe just stick all the money into dedicated bus service for MC for when the classes don’t have enough demand.

What is the "baseline"? All they are saying is every school should offer calculus. What calculus? Is it AP? If so AB and BC or just BC. And is the baseline all in person or are they going to make some classes virtual?

Baseline that they’ve described is Calc BC. I have only ever heard vague suggestions of doing something virtual. I wouldn’t oppose it for individual classes if that’s the only thing that can happen, but virtual is by no means ideal.

They are not bringing back virtual. They've been clear otherwise, the virtual school families that. Offering multiple post BC classes at some schools and not others is not equity. Why should some schools get multiple advanced math classes, and other schools max out at BC? The lack of stem and not having access to Wheaton and Blair is a huge issue for us. We made the mistake with our first child, but we will not do that again.

MCPS also doesn't allow you to privately pay for virtual or private classes and accept them as credit. There is a way to do it for some AP classes but nothing outside of AP or beyond. Nor do they allow for independent study.

Yes, you, who I’m guessing is at Einstein, want more APs and MVC. No, they cannot all be offered. Yes, some method of offering those classes should occur. I understand you seem unwilling to deal with reality and will repeat that virtual and MC are impossible for you. No, we don’t get to choose how our tax dollars are spent beyond voting.

Virtual is fine. MCPS is not offering it. MC is impossible as if students take 6 classes at HS, the only time is during school, which means a reduced schedule that impacts graduation, and the times don't align or after school, which doesn't work with sports and activities. The best solution is to align the HS schedules and offer these classes virtually. However, MCPS has been clear they are against virtual and they are not bringing it back, so its a non-discussion.

And, one of my kids wants linear algebra, not just MVC. You know, the classes offered at your schools.

WJ doesn't have linear algebra. A friend of my DS wanted it and found a way to make MC work. Another friend wanted it but decided to take Stats to graduate and wait until college for linear algebra. My DS didn't need any higher than BC so WJ was fine but he really wanted to take two advanced electives in another core subject that ended up conflicting in the master schedule so they chose one. That is kind of life in public school.

That’s great one could make it work, but why not offer it to all students. And, saying your child wanted two classes but it conflicted is different. Your school at least has mvc.

I support funding schools to offer the same core of advanced classes. I think whether or not MVC should be in the core is open for debate. In general, I would like to see more focus on building up each school than on choice programming.

Yes MVC and linear algebra are different than the classes DS wanted. But the point is that in public school, and in life in general, we can't always get everything we want when we want it.

You don't support equal access, as you only deem BC necessary, as that was the highest your child needed/was able to take. Minimum should be MVC, as some schools start kids in Algebra in 6th. If you support the same core advanced classes, that should include MVC and Linear Algebra. Just because your kids don't want it (and many don't), some do, and it should be available to all. The choice programming is a waste of time, given there is no extra funding for staff or supplies. That's why the schools chosen for STEM are ones that already have it, vs. creating a new program in a school that doesn't have it.

Getting enough math to graduate isn't about what they want; it's about what they need. And, all students should have the same access to all the classes given its one school district. You are making it sound like its just a few classse, when its not just a few classes, its a huge number of classes that your kids got access to (regardless of if they choose them or not) vs. what we are offered.

This is going to solve itself because they are changing the elementary and middle school pathways and no one is going to be taking Algebra 1 in 6th. Very few kids even do so right now. They should have been prevented from doing so in the first place because they run into issues like this in high school.

+1. This issue is solved by not advancing kids to this level so early unless the parent understands that their child will finish the high school math offerings early and will need to attend MC to continue their math. This is so few kids and yet occupies so many threads.

But I think the people (more likely, person) that post about this are highly prolific posters. This is no where near a problem that is common.

There are a good number in the DCC making it to MVC. Same with the W schools and BCC. You'd know it if your kids were on that track.

Well if they are all making it work then why can’t you?

Because we didn't understand that the school didn't offer it as we were told by the principal, the math track wasn't a problem, but now we hear from other families in that situation, they were told the same thing, and it was not true, and the principal/admin provided no support. Had we had known we were have apply to the magnets or to be lotteried to another school. Now we know and will not be making that mistake with the younger ones. They make it work by understanding the course offerings and choosing to lottery via the DCC to Blair or Wheaton. DCC should tell families this.

But, why do you think its ok your kids get access and not others? Just because your kids are not at that level, which is ok, if they were and wanted it, you'd want them to have access too. We all pay property taxes, so the school should be equal.

This is why there is a divide in the DCC, and we don't want our kids to go to your school, because of culture.

Ohhhh, I get it now! Most or all of these aggressive, oppositional us vs them pro-DCC posts are by the same annoying poster who constantly posts about the lack of MVC Einstein. Please stop, MVC Einstein parent. You give the rest of us in the DCC a bad name.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that probably would have helped a lot would have been to make the DCC a region and let it keep its programs. Just be straight with folks that they are limiting the capacity of the programs and reducing transportation. Of course people would be upset about that but that would be less disruptive and have fewer equity concerns. People would be able to know they can access established programs instead of taking stuff away and starting things from scratch.

Limiting slots with the regional model and reducing transportation means less equity. It also means these aren't going to be accessible.

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Anonymous wrote:Idk it sounds like Blair, Northwood, and Einstein just want more APs at their home schools. Like that’s it. Forget all this busing around and lotterying and programs. More APs than the baseline from what is presently proposed. This does run into the question of demand, and I would agree that if there isn’t demand you shouldn’t offer the course. Idk maybe just stick all the money into dedicated bus service for MC for when the classes don’t have enough demand.

What is the "baseline"? All they are saying is every school should offer calculus. What calculus? Is it AP? If so AB and BC or just BC. And is the baseline all in person or are they going to make some classes virtual?

Baseline that they’ve described is Calc BC. I have only ever heard vague suggestions of doing something virtual. I wouldn’t oppose it for individual classes if that’s the only thing that can happen, but virtual is by no means ideal.

They are not bringing back virtual. They've been clear otherwise, the virtual school families that. Offering multiple post BC classes at some schools and not others is not equity. Why should some schools get multiple advanced math classes, and other schools max out at BC? The lack of stem and not having access to Wheaton and Blair is a huge issue for us. We made the mistake with our first child, but we will not do that again.

MCPS also doesn't allow you to privately pay for virtual or private classes and accept them as credit. There is a way to do it for some AP classes but nothing outside of AP or beyond. Nor do they allow for independent study.

Yes, you, who I’m guessing is at Einstein, want more APs and MVC. No, they cannot all be offered. Yes, some method of offering those classes should occur. I understand you seem unwilling to deal with reality and will repeat that virtual and MC are impossible for you. No, we don’t get to choose how our tax dollars are spent beyond voting.

Virtual is fine. MCPS is not offering it. MC is impossible as if students take 6 classes at HS, the only time is during school, which means a reduced schedule that impacts graduation, and the times don't align or after school, which doesn't work with sports and activities. The best solution is to align the HS schedules and offer these classes virtually. However, MCPS has been clear they are against virtual and they are not bringing it back, so its a non-discussion.

And, one of my kids wants linear algebra, not just MVC. You know, the classes offered at your schools.

WJ doesn't have linear algebra. A friend of my DS wanted it and found a way to make MC work. Another friend wanted it but decided to take Stats to graduate and wait until college for linear algebra. My DS didn't need any higher than BC so WJ was fine but he really wanted to take two advanced electives in another core subject that ended up conflicting in the master schedule so they chose one. That is kind of life in public school.

That’s great one could make it work, but why not offer it to all students. And, saying your child wanted two classes but it conflicted is different. Your school at least has mvc.

I support funding schools to offer the same core of advanced classes. I think whether or not MVC should be in the core is open for debate. In general, I would like to see more focus on building up each school than on choice programming.

Yes MVC and linear algebra are different than the classes DS wanted. But the point is that in public school, and in life in general, we can't always get everything we want when we want it.

You don't support equal access, as you only deem BC necessary, as that was the highest your child needed/was able to take. Minimum should be MVC, as some schools start kids in Algebra in 6th. If you support the same core advanced classes, that should include MVC and Linear Algebra. Just because your kids don't want it (and many don't), some do, and it should be available to all. The choice programming is a waste of time, given there is no extra funding for staff or supplies. That's why the schools chosen for STEM are ones that already have it, vs. creating a new program in a school that doesn't have it.

Getting enough math to graduate isn't about what they want; it's about what they need. And, all students should have the same access to all the classes given its one school district. You are making it sound like its just a few classse, when its not just a few classes, its a huge number of classes that your kids got access to (regardless of if they choose them or not) vs. what we are offered.

This is going to solve itself because they are changing the elementary and middle school pathways and no one is going to be taking Algebra 1 in 6th. Very few kids even do so right now. They should have been prevented from doing so in the first place because they run into issues like this in high school.

+1. This issue is solved by not advancing kids to this level so early unless the parent understands that their child will finish the high school math offerings early and will need to attend MC to continue their math. This is so few kids and yet occupies so many threads.

But I think the people (more likely, person) that post about this are highly prolific posters. This is no where near a problem that is common.

There are a good number in the DCC making it to MVC. Same with the W schools and BCC. You'd know it if your kids were on that track.

Well if they are all making it work then why can’t you?

Because we didn't understand that the school didn't offer it as we were told by the principal, the math track wasn't a problem, but now we hear from other families in that situation, they were told the same thing, and it was not true, and the principal/admin provided no support. Had we had known we were have apply to the magnets or to be lotteried to another school. Now we know and will not be making that mistake with the younger ones. They make it work by understanding the course offerings and choosing to lottery via the DCC to Blair or Wheaton. DCC should tell families this.

But, why do you think its ok your kids get access and not others? Just because your kids are not at that level, which is ok, if they were and wanted it, you'd want them to have access too. We all pay property taxes, so the school should be equal.

This is why there is a divide in the DCC, and we don't want our kids to go to your school, because of culture.

Ohhhh, I get it now! Most or all of these aggressive, oppositional us vs them pro-DCC posts are by the same annoying poster who constantly posts about the lack of MVC Einstein. Please stop, MVC Einstein parent. You give the rest of us in the DCC a bad name.

Why don't you stop, given this plan benefits you by your schools staying the same, vs. the DCC being terminated, creating fewer opportunities, not more? Not at Einstein, so stop blaming whoever you think you are blaming, as multiple schools have this issue. Why are you so against students taking MVC, except for the fact that your kids didn't even though they had access to it? My kids are younger and on this track and want it. We will do everything we can to give them the same opportunities kids have, even if it means leaving MCPS.

The point of the regional plan was for equity. This isn't equity.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that probably would have helped a lot would have been to make the DCC a region and let it keep its programs. Just be straight with folks that they are limiting the capacity of the programs and reducing transportation. Of course people would be upset about that but that would be less disruptive and have fewer equity concerns. People would be able to know they can access established programs instead of taking stuff away and starting things from scratch.

But if the program is resulting in segregation…should MCPS continue it?

I mean I think they should scrap all the programs and just improve the home schools. But if they are doing this regional model, it would be less disruptive to make the current DCC one of the regions.