Jury refuses to indict Sandwich Man and other Trump cop misadventures

[Anonymous]

People, PLEASE stop calling this a “lawsuit” or a “frivolous lawsuit.” You’re betraying your own ignorance and it’s embarrassing.

This was a federal misdemeanor criminal charge that went to trial only because the US attorney in DC insisted that it happen—at taxpayer expense—after a federal grand jury refused to invict the guy for a felony for the same thing. A criminal charge, not civil. By a MAGA US Attorney with no regard for the people she is supposed to be serving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People, PLEASE stop calling this a “lawsuit” or a “frivolous lawsuit.” You’re betraying your own ignorance and it’s embarrassing.

This was a federal misdemeanor criminal charge that went to trial only because the US attorney in DC insisted that it happen—at taxpayer expense—after a federal grand jury refused to invict the guy for a felony for the same thing. A criminal charge, not civil. By a MAGA US Attorney with no regard for the people she is supposed to be serving.

And do I expect you to know in which medical circumstances you should prefer a PET scan over a regular scan? And when to refuse both but ask for a contrast MRI instead? Hmm?

If you have information to impart, be nice about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's hysterical is the officer who was on the receiving end of the sandwich is now being mocked ruthlessly...even at work by his fellow agents.

They should all buy him a sandwich everyday for however long the trial lasted.

[Anonymous]

The main punishment was that this guy lost his job. Let's not add anything to that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People, PLEASE stop calling this a “lawsuit” or a “frivolous lawsuit.” You’re betraying your own ignorance and it’s embarrassing.

This was a federal misdemeanor criminal charge that went to trial only because the US attorney in DC insisted that it happen—at taxpayer expense—after a federal grand jury refused to invict the guy for a felony for the same thing. A criminal charge, not civil. By a MAGA US Attorney with no regard for the people she is supposed to be serving.

And do I expect you to know in which medical circumstances you should prefer a PET scan over a regular scan? And when to refuse both but ask for a contrast MRI instead? Hmm?

If you have information to impart, be nice about it.

+1 not all of us went to law school (thank the lord for that.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How long did it take the jury?

It was like 7 hours of deliberations I think? Maybe they just liked the sandwiches from the court cafeteria

I think they were doing ballistic testing on the sandwiches.

I would love to see how much the government spent on this stupid prosecution.

Enough to pay several thousand people to have a month or two of SNAP benefits to be sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With that acquittal does that mean it’s not assault if I throw a sandwich or a soda at you, a senator, a police officer or anyone?

I think the fact that it bounced off his bulletproof vest mattered here.

THIS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People, PLEASE stop calling this a “lawsuit” or a “frivolous lawsuit.” You’re betraying your own ignorance and it’s embarrassing.

This was a federal misdemeanor criminal charge that went to trial only because the US attorney in DC insisted that it happen—at taxpayer expense—after a federal grand jury refused to invict the guy for a felony for the same thing. A criminal charge, not civil. By a MAGA US Attorney with no regard for the people she is supposed to be serving.

And do I expect you to know in which medical circumstances you should prefer a PET scan over a regular scan? And when to refuse both but ask for a contrast MRI instead? Hmm?

If you have information to impart, be nice about it.

+1 not all of us went to law school (thank the lord for that.)

You don’t have to have gone to law school to understand the very basics of what happened here. If you don’t know enough even to know that this wasn’t a lawsuit—it was a criminal prosecution by the US attorney’s office—then you have no business commenting or opining.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With that acquittal does that mean it’s not assault if I throw a sandwich or a soda at you, a senator, a police officer or anyone?

I think the fact that it bounced off his bulletproof vest mattered here.

THIS.

No THIS. The same thing could have happened with an actual bullet.

What happened here is jury nullification. Whether technically an “assault” or not, no DC jury was ever going to convict a man for throwing a sandwich at a border patrol agent when protesting Trump’s immigration policy. It just wasn’t going to happen because that’s not who we are. The jury sent a message. Plain, simple and direct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With that acquittal does that mean it’s not assault if I throw a sandwich or a soda at you, a senator, a police officer or anyone?

I think the fact that it bounced off his bulletproof vest mattered here.

THIS.

No THIS. The same thing could have happened with an actual bullet.

What happened here is jury nullification. Whether technically an “assault” or not, no DC jury was ever going to convict a man for throwing a sandwich at a border patrol agent when protesting Trump’s immigration policy. It just wasn’t going to happen because that’s not who we are. The jury sent a message. Plain, simple and direct.

This is all ironic, of course. Crime is bad in DC in large part because we cannot recruit enough police officers. And the reason we cannot recruit enough police officers is that the people and leaders of DC routinely disrespect them. So here we’re are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With that acquittal does that mean it’s not assault if I throw a sandwich or a soda at you, a senator, a police officer or anyone?

I think the fact that it bounced off his bulletproof vest mattered here.

THIS.

No THIS. The same thing could have happened with an actual bullet.

What happened here is jury nullification. Whether technically an “assault” or not, no DC jury was ever going to convict a man for throwing a sandwich at a border patrol agent when protesting Trump’s immigration policy. It just wasn’t going to happen because that’s not who we are. The jury sent a message. Plain, simple and direct.

Maybe. But an element of assault in DC is that it actually has to be an attempt to cause an injury with the ability to carry out the injury. Throwing a sandwich may not meet that standard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With that acquittal does that mean it’s not assault if I throw a sandwich or a soda at you, a senator, a police officer or anyone?

I think the fact that it bounced off his bulletproof vest mattered here.

THIS.

No THIS. The same thing could have happened with an actual bullet.

What happened here is jury nullification. Whether technically an “assault” or not, no DC jury was ever going to convict a man for throwing a sandwich at a border patrol agent when protesting Trump’s immigration policy. It just wasn’t going to happen because that’s not who we are. The jury sent a message. Plain, simple and direct.

This is all ironic, of course. Crime is bad in DC in large part because we cannot recruit enough police officers. And the reason we cannot recruit enough police officers is that the people and leaders of DC routinely disrespect them. So here we’re are.

When police become instruments of an authoritarian state, this is what happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With that acquittal does that mean it’s not assault if I throw a sandwich or a soda at you, a senator, a police officer or anyone?

I think the fact that it bounced off his bulletproof vest mattered here.

THIS.

No THIS. The same thing could have happened with an actual bullet.

What happened here is jury nullification. Whether technically an “assault” or not, no DC jury was ever going to convict a man for throwing a sandwich at a border patrol agent when protesting Trump’s immigration policy. It just wasn’t going to happen because that’s not who we are. The jury sent a message. Plain, simple and direct.

Maybe. But an element of assault in DC is that it actually has to be an attempt to cause an injury with the ability to carry out the injury. Throwing a sandwich may not meet that standard.

Thank you! This incident never met the standard for assault. There was no attempt to cause or fear of physical harm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With that acquittal does that mean it’s not assault if I throw a sandwich or a soda at you, a senator, a police officer or anyone?

No, just this sandwich, this guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With that acquittal does that mean it’s not assault if I throw a sandwich or a soda at you, a senator, a police officer or anyone?

I think the fact that it bounced off his bulletproof vest mattered here.

THIS.

No THIS. The same thing could have happened with an actual bullet.

What happened here is jury nullification. Whether technically an “assault” or not, no DC jury was ever going to convict a man for throwing a sandwich at a border patrol agent when protesting Trump’s immigration policy. It just wasn’t going to happen because that’s not who we are. The jury sent a message. Plain, simple and direct.

This is all ironic, of course. Crime is bad in DC in large part because we cannot recruit enough police officers. And the reason we cannot recruit enough police officers is that the people and leaders of DC routinely disrespect them. So here we’re are.

He didn’t throw a sandwich at a random DC police officer. He threw a sandwich at a federal border patrol officer in protest of Trump’s immigration policies. Are you seriously so dense that you can’t understand the difference?