Enough is enough with the redshirting!

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Anonymous wrote:Public schools aren’t retaining anyone because that costs $$$. I’ve only heard of retention being offered when a kid missed a lot of a grade due to something like a serious medical issue, or at the end of the Covid school years - 2019-20 or 2020-21 - if a kid didn’t progress during the closures. My neighbor had a young for grade 1st grader in 20-21 and FCPS did offer to let her repeat 1st in person.

But let this thread be a heads up to everyone: redshirting is common, perhaps even expected, in private schools, especially for the younger for grade kids. So plan accordingly.

+1, and I would say it’s increasingly common in public school among parents who read the data on developmentally appropriate settings for 4-5. So, assume if you send a four year old they’ll be youngest by a year+, and an early five year old by a year. None of this is secret, or unavailable information to you.

Since most public schools do an age cut off around September 1st, the number of kids attending K at age 4 is very small (and even people who complain about excessive redshirting don't complain about redshirting a kid who would be 4 during the "normal" cut off). In NY (which is the only place with a midyear cut off that results in a lot of 4 year olds being eligible for K) it's common for people to redshirt those kids and no one complains about it.

The only redshirting people complain about is when people start redshirting kids who would be well over 5 when starting K but they hold them back anyway. Yes, in some privates that's common place, but the school generally encourages it and everyone has a chance to do it -- they like having an older class of K students and often they will strongly encourage redshirting summer or late spring birthdays. Some schools even offer a transitional year for young K students before taking the regular K class, so you still wind up with a fairly age-homogenous class.

But in public that's not the case, and when some parents start deciding their April or May birthday kid needs another year, it can leave other parents stuck with the consequences of those actions without warning. No one is going to get mad that a parent redshirted so their kid could start K at 5, but when you see kids starting K at 6 and a half, it becomes an issue.

Please yell at me now and tell me I'm a "crazy anti-redshirter" for agreeing this specific issue is a problem.

As someone with a young for grade kid, I think it is absolutely insane to consider this a problem whatsoever, and really makes you sound like someone who has no experience with any real problems in life.

My kid with an August birthday who I sent on time (she started K at 5 but was among the youngest in her grade) was viciously bullied by a redshirted child in 1st grade. My kid was 6 years old for the entirety of 1st grade. The bullying child turned 8 in September and was signficantly bigger and taller. Redshirting played a major role in the bullying because while this one child was the leader, there were many older kids in the classroom due to redshirting and when the bully would attack/provoke my kid, she'd cry, and then all the older kids would round on her and call her a baby and tease her for being small and young (she is average height for her age).

I had no idea how prevalent redshirting was when I enrolled my kid in K. She was academically and socially ready for a K classroom full of 5 and 6 year old children. In fact she continues to be at the top of her grade academically and she is well liked by teachers for being a good listener who follows directions and is helpful and kind in the classroom (something that apparently the extra years of preschool or staying home did not help instill in these redshirted kids who are merely bigger and older, not more mature).

I absolutely resent that my child's classroom environment has been dominated by older children who I think should have spent their 5/6 year in K learning out to function in elementary school, but instead spent it elsewhere and arrived at elementary school with their own ideas about how school should work. I resent how common bullying and relational aggression are at the school because of these older-but-less-mature kids.

Call me a crazy anti-redshirted if you want. I think redshirting sucks. Kids should start school at the same age so that they learn the same skills and are generally at the same developmental level. Kids with developmental delays can/should be held back to accommodate their delays, but it shouldn't be at the parents' discretion.

We will be moving school districts before these older kids hit puberty in 3rd grade and we have to deal with that.

Your new school district will also have kids whose parents chose to start them later, your daughter will still be small/young, and bullies will still tease children who cry easily.

Your complaint is with the school for not addressing bullying, but you want to attack the parents who made what they considered the best choices for their kids. Why did the school fail to act? They are accountable to you in a way that other parents simply are not.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Wow, this thread grew fast. I assume the crazy anti-redshirters are frothing again? I don’t have the energy to wade through it.

OP: This is not a serious issue, speaking as a parent of teens and young adults. I did not redshirt. In fact one of my kids is a young spring birthday and has often been the youngest or close to it. I read the absolute meltdowns about redshirting from anti-redshirting posters and understand why kids have no resiliency these days — their parents can’t model it. Crazy, sad people.

OPs kid has suffered not at all as she will be quick to tell you not so humbly. He is in gifted, plays a year up in some sport, super popular, no challenges, yet, she just can’t get past the birthdays of a few classmates for no particular reason. This is her hobby in life, to perseverate on a non issue because she thinks someone else is getting something she’s not. Then she whines about “advantages” as she pays another month of tuition at her posh private school.

Wait, OP is one of the crazy anti-redshirters who doesn’t understand how private school admissions work at an extremely basic level? Hahahahahahaha. The stereotypes just write themselves.

I love the DCUM anti-redshirt threads because the absolute crazy of the anti-redshirters comes out every single time. They can’t keep a lid on it.

I’m the OP and see nothing wrong with red shirting summer. We considered it and the school themselves told us to send him at the same time they were telling others to hold . I said it was out of hand for people to redshirt kids who were already born in the first month of a school year, creating a 23 month gap with someone on the young end, mentioning the two 10 year olds in 3rd in my son’s class. No kids ever really ready for Kinder. I don’t know what people expect their child to be doing to be ready for this grade.

Hahaha this is gold. The private school, the demands that a private school follow your preferred admissions strategy, the whining, the entitlement, it is all just a perfect chef’s kiss of a post. Love it.

DCUM anti-redshirters are continually some of the best entertainment this board has to offer. Please please please never stop posting.

OP probably wears a big fake smile at all the school events having to mix and mingle with these horrible redshirting parents then comes here to gossip and trash them expecting commiseration.

I suspect her crazy leaks out. She is probably as insane-sounding to her fellow private school parents as she is here, though I suspect there is also a group that quietly keep their kids away from her.

It’s the same group that didn’t let her in on the fact that most boys in her year are redshirting. This was knowable information for the OP four years ago, clearly she’s not well integrated into her school.

So you not only game the system but you keep secrets from other parents so that you can screw them over?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Wow, this thread grew fast. I assume the crazy anti-redshirters are frothing again? I don’t have the energy to wade through it.

OP: This is not a serious issue, speaking as a parent of teens and young adults. I did not redshirt. In fact one of my kids is a young spring birthday and has often been the youngest or close to it. I read the absolute meltdowns about redshirting from anti-redshirting posters and understand why kids have no resiliency these days — their parents can’t model it. Crazy, sad people.

OPs kid has suffered not at all as she will be quick to tell you not so humbly. He is in gifted, plays a year up in some sport, super popular, no challenges, yet, she just can’t get past the birthdays of a few classmates for no particular reason. This is her hobby in life, to perseverate on a non issue because she thinks someone else is getting something she’s not. Then she whines about “advantages” as she pays another month of tuition at her posh private school.

Wait, OP is one of the crazy anti-redshirters who doesn’t understand how private school admissions work at an extremely basic level? Hahahahahahaha. The stereotypes just write themselves.

I love the DCUM anti-redshirt threads because the absolute crazy of the anti-redshirters comes out every single time. They can’t keep a lid on it.

I’m the OP and see nothing wrong with red shirting summer. We considered it and the school themselves told us to send him at the same time they were telling others to hold . I said it was out of hand for people to redshirt kids who were already born in the first month of a school year, creating a 23 month gap with someone on the young end, mentioning the two 10 year olds in 3rd in my son’s class. No kids ever really ready for Kinder. I don’t know what people expect their child to be doing to be ready for this grade.

Hahaha this is gold. The private school, the demands that a private school follow your preferred admissions strategy, the whining, the entitlement, it is all just a perfect chef’s kiss of a post. Love it.

DCUM anti-redshirters are continually some of the best entertainment this board has to offer. Please please please never stop posting.

OP probably wears a big fake smile at all the school events having to mix and mingle with these horrible redshirting parents then comes here to gossip and trash them expecting commiseration.

I suspect her crazy leaks out. She is probably as insane-sounding to her fellow private school parents as she is here, though I suspect there is also a group that quietly keep their kids away from her.

It’s the same group that didn’t let her in on the fact that most boys in her year are redshirting. This was knowable information for the OP four years ago, clearly she’s not well integrated into her school.

Well, she could have asked the admissions office, of course. Private schools don’t hide their policies on redshirting during the admissions process.

OP was too busy hearing from the PreK teacher how special her snowflake was to ask questions about what the lesser children were doing/trending toward.

Well he is doing fine so she was right. It’s still annoying. Sorry you don’t like to hear that and need to say I think he’s some special snowflake. You would 100 percent think it was annoying if kids were 2 year older in your own kid’s class and sports teams and you know it. That’s the irony of this whole discussion. Most of the people who hold do not want older peers for their kids.

You’re the only one having this discussion. Everyone else is rolling their eyes. There’s an easy solution but you refuse to take it.

Moving your kids school isn’t an easy solution unless your kid has no friends.

So agitating to have other kids skip a grade to fix this problem is a better solution?

Loon, I didn't say anything except, wow it's annoying there are 10 year olds in my kid's third grade class, get a grip people. Your kid doesn't need to be a star in elemetary school, just send them in a reasonable amount of time. One year redshirt, fine, Two, sorry not reasonable. It's bananas and sorry you don't agree.

Loon? The people crying about birthdays in a 3rd grade classroom are unhinged. Go pick on someone your own size, baddie.

You're taking this really personally. No one is crying. I said it's out of control. And those kids are not thriving, they don't fit in and are social outcasts.

This has been such an amazing voyage. Thank you for bringing us with you.

We started with your poor son who was such a victim of the big mean redshirters that he didn’t get a place in the gifted and talented spot and he’s being held to such a high standard.

Now that standard is being set by children who “aren’t thriving and are social outcasts” and yet they’re keeping your son out of the gifted classes and holding him to such a high standard.

I’m sorry your son’s “high standard” is set by struggling children who are social outcasts.

Maybe you should hold him back a year.

🤣🤣🤣

I really want OP to keep posting. It’s DCUM top-level entertainment. I so adore DCUM anti-redshirters!

OP please tell us about private school admissions. I want all your theories.

You sound seriously unhinged. Why are you so mean? There is something wrong with you to be acting like this.

I am not OP.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Wow, this thread grew fast. I assume the crazy anti-redshirters are frothing again? I don’t have the energy to wade through it.

OP: This is not a serious issue, speaking as a parent of teens and young adults. I did not redshirt. In fact one of my kids is a young spring birthday and has often been the youngest or close to it. I read the absolute meltdowns about redshirting from anti-redshirting posters and understand why kids have no resiliency these days — their parents can’t model it. Crazy, sad people.

OPs kid has suffered not at all as she will be quick to tell you not so humbly. He is in gifted, plays a year up in some sport, super popular, no challenges, yet, she just can’t get past the birthdays of a few classmates for no particular reason. This is her hobby in life, to perseverate on a non issue because she thinks someone else is getting something she’s not. Then she whines about “advantages” as she pays another month of tuition at her posh private school.

Wait, OP is one of the crazy anti-redshirters who doesn’t understand how private school admissions work at an extremely basic level? Hahahahahahaha. The stereotypes just write themselves.

I love the DCUM anti-redshirt threads because the absolute crazy of the anti-redshirters comes out every single time. They can’t keep a lid on it.

I’m the OP and see nothing wrong with red shirting summer. We considered it and the school themselves told us to send him at the same time they were telling others to hold . I said it was out of hand for people to redshirt kids who were already born in the first month of a school year, creating a 23 month gap with someone on the young end, mentioning the two 10 year olds in 3rd in my son’s class. No kids ever really ready for Kinder. I don’t know what people expect their child to be doing to be ready for this grade.

Hahaha this is gold. The private school, the demands that a private school follow your preferred admissions strategy, the whining, the entitlement, it is all just a perfect chef’s kiss of a post. Love it.

DCUM anti-redshirters are continually some of the best entertainment this board has to offer. Please please please never stop posting.

OP probably wears a big fake smile at all the school events having to mix and mingle with these horrible redshirting parents then comes here to gossip and trash them expecting commiseration.

I suspect her crazy leaks out. She is probably as insane-sounding to her fellow private school parents as she is here, though I suspect there is also a group that quietly keep their kids away from her.

It’s the same group that didn’t let her in on the fact that most boys in her year are redshirting. This was knowable information for the OP four years ago, clearly she’s not well integrated into her school.

Well, she could have asked the admissions office, of course. Private schools don’t hide their policies on redshirting during the admissions process.

OP was too busy hearing from the PreK teacher how special her snowflake was to ask questions about what the lesser children were doing/trending toward.

Well he is doing fine so she was right. It’s still annoying. Sorry you don’t like to hear that and need to say I think he’s some special snowflake. You would 100 percent think it was annoying if kids were 2 year older in your own kid’s class and sports teams and you know it. That’s the irony of this whole discussion. Most of the people who hold do not want older peers for their kids.

You’re the only one having this discussion. Everyone else is rolling their eyes. There’s an easy solution but you refuse to take it.

Moving your kids school isn’t an easy solution unless your kid has no friends.

So agitating to have other kids skip a grade to fix this problem is a better solution?

Loon, I didn't say anything except, wow it's annoying there are 10 year olds in my kid's third grade class, get a grip people. Your kid doesn't need to be a star in elemetary school, just send them in a reasonable amount of time. One year redshirt, fine, Two, sorry not reasonable. It's bananas and sorry you don't agree.

Loon? The people crying about birthdays in a 3rd grade classroom are unhinged. Go pick on someone your own size, baddie.

You're taking this really personally. No one is crying. I said it's out of control. And those kids are not thriving, they don't fit in and are social outcasts.

This has been such an amazing voyage. Thank you for bringing us with you.

We started with your poor son who was such a victim of the big mean redshirters that he didn’t get a place in the gifted and talented spot and he’s being held to such a high standard.

Now that standard is being set by children who “aren’t thriving and are social outcasts” and yet they’re keeping your son out of the gifted classes and holding him to such a high standard.

I’m sorry your son’s “high standard” is set by struggling children who are social outcasts.

Maybe you should hold him back a year.

🤣🤣🤣

I really want OP to keep posting. It’s DCUM top-level entertainment. I so adore DCUM anti-redshirters!

OP please tell us about private school admissions. I want all your theories.

You sound seriously unhinged. Why are you so mean? There is something wrong with you to be acting like this.

I am not OP.

It is true in general that you should not make fun of crazy people but the anti-redshirters are such a nasty group of crazy people that I will allow it.

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Anonymous wrote:Public schools aren’t retaining anyone because that costs $$$. I’ve only heard of retention being offered when a kid missed a lot of a grade due to something like a serious medical issue, or at the end of the Covid school years - 2019-20 or 2020-21 - if a kid didn’t progress during the closures. My neighbor had a young for grade 1st grader in 20-21 and FCPS did offer to let her repeat 1st in person.

But let this thread be a heads up to everyone: redshirting is common, perhaps even expected, in private schools, especially for the younger for grade kids. So plan accordingly.

+1, and I would say it’s increasingly common in public school among parents who read the data on developmentally appropriate settings for 4-5. So, assume if you send a four year old they’ll be youngest by a year+, and an early five year old by a year. None of this is secret, or unavailable information to you.

Since most public schools do an age cut off around September 1st, the number of kids attending K at age 4 is very small (and even people who complain about excessive redshirting don't complain about redshirting a kid who would be 4 during the "normal" cut off). In NY (which is the only place with a midyear cut off that results in a lot of 4 year olds being eligible for K) it's common for people to redshirt those kids and no one complains about it.

The only redshirting people complain about is when people start redshirting kids who would be well over 5 when starting K but they hold them back anyway. Yes, in some privates that's common place, but the school generally encourages it and everyone has a chance to do it -- they like having an older class of K students and often they will strongly encourage redshirting summer or late spring birthdays. Some schools even offer a transitional year for young K students before taking the regular K class, so you still wind up with a fairly age-homogenous class.

But in public that's not the case, and when some parents start deciding their April or May birthday kid needs another year, it can leave other parents stuck with the consequences of those actions without warning. No one is going to get mad that a parent redshirted so their kid could start K at 5, but when you see kids starting K at 6 and a half, it becomes an issue.

Please yell at me now and tell me I'm a "crazy anti-redshirter" for agreeing this specific issue is a problem.

As someone with a young for grade kid, I think it is absolutely insane to consider this a problem whatsoever, and really makes you sound like someone who has no experience with any real problems in life.

My kid with an August birthday who I sent on time (she started K at 5 but was among the youngest in her grade) was viciously bullied by a redshirted child in 1st grade. My kid was 6 years old for the entirety of 1st grade. The bullying child turned 8 in September and was signficantly bigger and taller. Redshirting played a major role in the bullying because while this one child was the leader, there were many older kids in the classroom due to redshirting and when the bully would attack/provoke my kid, she'd cry, and then all the older kids would round on her and call her a baby and tease her for being small and young (she is average height for her age).

I had no idea how prevalent redshirting was when I enrolled my kid in K. She was academically and socially ready for a K classroom full of 5 and 6 year old children. In fact she continues to be at the top of her grade academically and she is well liked by teachers for being a good listener who follows directions and is helpful and kind in the classroom (something that apparently the extra years of preschool or staying home did not help instill in these redshirted kids who are merely bigger and older, not more mature).

I absolutely resent that my child's classroom environment has been dominated by older children who I think should have spent their 5/6 year in K learning out to function in elementary school, but instead spent it elsewhere and arrived at elementary school with their own ideas about how school should work. I resent how common bullying and relational aggression are at the school because of these older-but-less-mature kids.

Call me a crazy anti-redshirted if you want. I think redshirting sucks. Kids should start school at the same age so that they learn the same skills and are generally at the same developmental level. Kids with developmental delays can/should be held back to accommodate their delays, but it shouldn't be at the parents' discretion.

We will be moving school districts before these older kids hit puberty in 3rd grade and we have to deal with that.

As a parent who doesn't care about redshirting one way or another (and has both middle-of-age-for grade and young-for-grade kids, none old-for-grade): the bullying isn't because your kid is small. Bullies will find literally anything to gang up on kids about. One of my kids was bulled for not watching Spongebob Squarepants in a late elementary grade. Does that make sense as a thing to mock a kid over? No. But my kid was a prickly and kind of hard-to-get-to-know kid, so of course they were a target. The actual thing to make fun of was incidental to the act of piling on.

And it's possible (probable?) this older kid is lashing out because:
- they do have delays and you have no idea and the delays are social
- they feel embarassed about your kid doing as well when they are so much older.

PP here. Of course bullying can happen for a whole variety of reasons.

But at my kid's specific school, in specific classrooms where there are a large percent of redshirted kids including one that was significantly older, the bullying was closely related to having a cohort of older, bigger, unsocialized kids. My DD was not the only child targeted, but all the children who were bullied were "on time" kids who were on the younger end of normal for the grade. All the bullies were the oldest kids in class.

Also, it's not just about the age difference. It's also that these redshirted kids were not socialized into elementary school when they were young enough for it help. They arrived at K too old and less malleable. In my child's 1st grade class, those older kids RAN the classroom. This year my kid is in 2nd and due to the bullying issues last year, my kid and others who were targeted are in a classroom without any of the much older kids. The classroom is significantly better, with less conflict and fewer behavioral issues.

I don't have any issue with moderate redshirting for kids with summer birthdays. I don't think you should be allowed to redshirt a kid with a birthday during the school year unless there is a clear reason why delaying kindergarten will help. And I actually think a lot of developmental delays might be made worse by redshirting unless you can show the kids are going to get services to improve the situation. Perhaps some of these delays would be best addressed by having the kid in a classroom with other kids and receiving services through the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Public schools aren’t retaining anyone because that costs $$$. I’ve only heard of retention being offered when a kid missed a lot of a grade due to something like a serious medical issue, or at the end of the Covid school years - 2019-20 or 2020-21 - if a kid didn’t progress during the closures. My neighbor had a young for grade 1st grader in 20-21 and FCPS did offer to let her repeat 1st in person.

But let this thread be a heads up to everyone: redshirting is common, perhaps even expected, in private schools, especially for the younger for grade kids. So plan accordingly.

+1, and I would say it’s increasingly common in public school among parents who read the data on developmentally appropriate settings for 4-5. So, assume if you send a four year old they’ll be youngest by a year+, and an early five year old by a year. None of this is secret, or unavailable information to you.

Since most public schools do an age cut off around September 1st, the number of kids attending K at age 4 is very small (and even people who complain about excessive redshirting don't complain about redshirting a kid who would be 4 during the "normal" cut off). In NY (which is the only place with a midyear cut off that results in a lot of 4 year olds being eligible for K) it's common for people to redshirt those kids and no one complains about it.

The only redshirting people complain about is when people start redshirting kids who would be well over 5 when starting K but they hold them back anyway. Yes, in some privates that's common place, but the school generally encourages it and everyone has a chance to do it -- they like having an older class of K students and often they will strongly encourage redshirting summer or late spring birthdays. Some schools even offer a transitional year for young K students before taking the regular K class, so you still wind up with a fairly age-homogenous class.

But in public that's not the case, and when some parents start deciding their April or May birthday kid needs another year, it can leave other parents stuck with the consequences of those actions without warning. No one is going to get mad that a parent redshirted so their kid could start K at 5, but when you see kids starting K at 6 and a half, it becomes an issue.

Please yell at me now and tell me I'm a "crazy anti-redshirter" for agreeing this specific issue is a problem.

As someone with a young for grade kid, I think it is absolutely insane to consider this a problem whatsoever, and really makes you sound like someone who has no experience with any real problems in life.

My kid with an August birthday who I sent on time (she started K at 5 but was among the youngest in her grade) was viciously bullied by a redshirted child in 1st grade. My kid was 6 years old for the entirety of 1st grade. The bullying child turned 8 in September and was signficantly bigger and taller. Redshirting played a major role in the bullying because while this one child was the leader, there were many older kids in the classroom due to redshirting and when the bully would attack/provoke my kid, she'd cry, and then all the older kids would round on her and call her a baby and tease her for being small and young (she is average height for her age).

I had no idea how prevalent redshirting was when I enrolled my kid in K. She was academically and socially ready for a K classroom full of 5 and 6 year old children. In fact she continues to be at the top of her grade academically and she is well liked by teachers for being a good listener who follows directions and is helpful and kind in the classroom (something that apparently the extra years of preschool or staying home did not help instill in these redshirted kids who are merely bigger and older, not more mature).

I absolutely resent that my child's classroom environment has been dominated by older children who I think should have spent their 5/6 year in K learning out to function in elementary school, but instead spent it elsewhere and arrived at elementary school with their own ideas about how school should work. I resent how common bullying and relational aggression are at the school because of these older-but-less-mature kids.

Call me a crazy anti-redshirted if you want. I think redshirting sucks. Kids should start school at the same age so that they learn the same skills and are generally at the same developmental level. Kids with developmental delays can/should be held back to accommodate their delays, but it shouldn't be at the parents' discretion.

We will be moving school districts before these older kids hit puberty in 3rd grade and we have to deal with that.

Your new school district will also have kids whose parents chose to start them later, your daughter will still be small/young, and bullies will still tease children who cry easily.

Your complaint is with the school for not addressing bullying, but you want to attack the parents who made what they considered the best choices for their kids. Why did the school fail to act? They are accountable to you in a way that other parents simply are not.

The new school district does not have the same issues with redshirting. There is some redshirting of summer birthdays but they don't allow this kind of extreme redshirting where kids are permitted to start K at 6.5 or above. I know because we discussed this issue explicitly with schools when we toured them this fall.

Also yes, of course my complaint is with the school. But not just for the bullying (they did an okay job addressing the bullying and at least my kid is not in a classroom with any of the bullies this year). I take issue with the school permitting such a wide range of ages in the same grade cohort, and for allowing parents to game the redshirting rules to send their kids to school very late. And I also think the school has done too little to address what are clearly social deficits in many of the redshirted kids. My issue is 100% with the school for not enforcing its enrollment rules and for the way they handle the redshirted kids. That's why we are changing schools to one where they handle this situation better.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Wow, this thread grew fast. I assume the crazy anti-redshirters are frothing again? I don’t have the energy to wade through it.

OP: This is not a serious issue, speaking as a parent of teens and young adults. I did not redshirt. In fact one of my kids is a young spring birthday and has often been the youngest or close to it. I read the absolute meltdowns about redshirting from anti-redshirting posters and understand why kids have no resiliency these days — their parents can’t model it. Crazy, sad people.

OPs kid has suffered not at all as she will be quick to tell you not so humbly. He is in gifted, plays a year up in some sport, super popular, no challenges, yet, she just can’t get past the birthdays of a few classmates for no particular reason. This is her hobby in life, to perseverate on a non issue because she thinks someone else is getting something she’s not. Then she whines about “advantages” as she pays another month of tuition at her posh private school.

Wait, OP is one of the crazy anti-redshirters who doesn’t understand how private school admissions work at an extremely basic level? Hahahahahahaha. The stereotypes just write themselves.

I love the DCUM anti-redshirt threads because the absolute crazy of the anti-redshirters comes out every single time. They can’t keep a lid on it.

I’m the OP and see nothing wrong with red shirting summer. We considered it and the school themselves told us to send him at the same time they were telling others to hold . I said it was out of hand for people to redshirt kids who were already born in the first month of a school year, creating a 23 month gap with someone on the young end, mentioning the two 10 year olds in 3rd in my son’s class. No kids ever really ready for Kinder. I don’t know what people expect their child to be doing to be ready for this grade.

Hahaha this is gold. The private school, the demands that a private school follow your preferred admissions strategy, the whining, the entitlement, it is all just a perfect chef’s kiss of a post. Love it.

DCUM anti-redshirters are continually some of the best entertainment this board has to offer. Please please please never stop posting.

OP probably wears a big fake smile at all the school events having to mix and mingle with these horrible redshirting parents then comes here to gossip and trash them expecting commiseration.

I suspect her crazy leaks out. She is probably as insane-sounding to her fellow private school parents as she is here, though I suspect there is also a group that quietly keep their kids away from her.

It’s the same group that didn’t let her in on the fact that most boys in her year are redshirting. This was knowable information for the OP four years ago, clearly she’s not well integrated into her school.

So you not only game the system but you keep secrets from other parents so that you can screw them over?

What’s with the “you” accusations? OP is already gaming the system by choosing a private school, right? The public isn’t good enough. So get down off your high horse before you hurt yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Wow, this thread grew fast. I assume the crazy anti-redshirters are frothing again? I don’t have the energy to wade through it.

OP: This is not a serious issue, speaking as a parent of teens and young adults. I did not redshirt. In fact one of my kids is a young spring birthday and has often been the youngest or close to it. I read the absolute meltdowns about redshirting from anti-redshirting posters and understand why kids have no resiliency these days — their parents can’t model it. Crazy, sad people.

OPs kid has suffered not at all as she will be quick to tell you not so humbly. He is in gifted, plays a year up in some sport, super popular, no challenges, yet, she just can’t get past the birthdays of a few classmates for no particular reason. This is her hobby in life, to perseverate on a non issue because she thinks someone else is getting something she’s not. Then she whines about “advantages” as she pays another month of tuition at her posh private school.

Wait, OP is one of the crazy anti-redshirters who doesn’t understand how private school admissions work at an extremely basic level? Hahahahahahaha. The stereotypes just write themselves.

I love the DCUM anti-redshirt threads because the absolute crazy of the anti-redshirters comes out every single time. They can’t keep a lid on it.

I’m the OP and see nothing wrong with red shirting summer. We considered it and the school themselves told us to send him at the same time they were telling others to hold . I said it was out of hand for people to redshirt kids who were already born in the first month of a school year, creating a 23 month gap with someone on the young end, mentioning the two 10 year olds in 3rd in my son’s class. No kids ever really ready for Kinder. I don’t know what people expect their child to be doing to be ready for this grade.

Hahaha this is gold. The private school, the demands that a private school follow your preferred admissions strategy, the whining, the entitlement, it is all just a perfect chef’s kiss of a post. Love it.

DCUM anti-redshirters are continually some of the best entertainment this board has to offer. Please please please never stop posting.

OP probably wears a big fake smile at all the school events having to mix and mingle with these horrible redshirting parents then comes here to gossip and trash them expecting commiseration.

I suspect her crazy leaks out. She is probably as insane-sounding to her fellow private school parents as she is here, though I suspect there is also a group that quietly keep their kids away from her.

It’s the same group that didn’t let her in on the fact that most boys in her year are redshirting. This was knowable information for the OP four years ago, clearly she’s not well integrated into her school.

Well, she could have asked the admissions office, of course. Private schools don’t hide their policies on redshirting during the admissions process.

OP was too busy hearing from the PreK teacher how special her snowflake was to ask questions about what the lesser children were doing/trending toward.

Well he is doing fine so she was right. It’s still annoying. Sorry you don’t like to hear that and need to say I think he’s some special snowflake. You would 100 percent think it was annoying if kids were 2 year older in your own kid’s class and sports teams and you know it. That’s the irony of this whole discussion. Most of the people who hold do not want older peers for their kids.

You’re the only one having this discussion. Everyone else is rolling their eyes. There’s an easy solution but you refuse to take it.

Moving your kids school isn’t an easy solution unless your kid has no friends.

So agitating to have other kids skip a grade to fix this problem is a better solution?

Loon, I didn't say anything except, wow it's annoying there are 10 year olds in my kid's third grade class, get a grip people. Your kid doesn't need to be a star in elemetary school, just send them in a reasonable amount of time. One year redshirt, fine, Two, sorry not reasonable. It's bananas and sorry you don't agree.

Loon? The people crying about birthdays in a 3rd grade classroom are unhinged. Go pick on someone your own size, baddie.

You're taking this really personally. No one is crying. I said it's out of control. And those kids are not thriving, they don't fit in and are social outcasts.

This has been such an amazing voyage. Thank you for bringing us with you.

We started with your poor son who was such a victim of the big mean redshirters that he didn’t get a place in the gifted and talented spot and he’s being held to such a high standard.

Now that standard is being set by children who “aren’t thriving and are social outcasts” and yet they’re keeping your son out of the gifted classes and holding him to such a high standard.

I’m sorry your son’s “high standard” is set by struggling children who are social outcasts.

Maybe you should hold him back a year.

🤣🤣🤣

I really want OP to keep posting. It’s DCUM top-level entertainment. I so adore DCUM anti-redshirters!

OP please tell us about private school admissions. I want all your theories.

You sound seriously unhinged. Why are you so mean? There is something wrong with you to be acting like this.

I am not OP.

It is true in general that you should not make fun of crazy people but the anti-redshirters are such a nasty group of crazy people that I will allow it.

OP never said anything nasty at all. You have posted multiple versions of this type of mean girl nonsense. Grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Wow, this thread grew fast. I assume the crazy anti-redshirters are frothing again? I don’t have the energy to wade through it.

OP: This is not a serious issue, speaking as a parent of teens and young adults. I did not redshirt. In fact one of my kids is a young spring birthday and has often been the youngest or close to it. I read the absolute meltdowns about redshirting from anti-redshirting posters and understand why kids have no resiliency these days — their parents can’t model it. Crazy, sad people.

OPs kid has suffered not at all as she will be quick to tell you not so humbly. He is in gifted, plays a year up in some sport, super popular, no challenges, yet, she just can’t get past the birthdays of a few classmates for no particular reason. This is her hobby in life, to perseverate on a non issue because she thinks someone else is getting something she’s not. Then she whines about “advantages” as she pays another month of tuition at her posh private school.

Wait, OP is one of the crazy anti-redshirters who doesn’t understand how private school admissions work at an extremely basic level? Hahahahahahaha. The stereotypes just write themselves.

I love the DCUM anti-redshirt threads because the absolute crazy of the anti-redshirters comes out every single time. They can’t keep a lid on it.

I’m the OP and see nothing wrong with red shirting summer. We considered it and the school themselves told us to send him at the same time they were telling others to hold . I said it was out of hand for people to redshirt kids who were already born in the first month of a school year, creating a 23 month gap with someone on the young end, mentioning the two 10 year olds in 3rd in my son’s class. No kids ever really ready for Kinder. I don’t know what people expect their child to be doing to be ready for this grade.

Hahaha this is gold. The private school, the demands that a private school follow your preferred admissions strategy, the whining, the entitlement, it is all just a perfect chef’s kiss of a post. Love it.

DCUM anti-redshirters are continually some of the best entertainment this board has to offer. Please please please never stop posting.

OP probably wears a big fake smile at all the school events having to mix and mingle with these horrible redshirting parents then comes here to gossip and trash them expecting commiseration.

I suspect her crazy leaks out. She is probably as insane-sounding to her fellow private school parents as she is here, though I suspect there is also a group that quietly keep their kids away from her.

It’s the same group that didn’t let her in on the fact that most boys in her year are redshirting. This was knowable information for the OP four years ago, clearly she’s not well integrated into her school.

Well, she could have asked the admissions office, of course. Private schools don’t hide their policies on redshirting during the admissions process.

OP was too busy hearing from the PreK teacher how special her snowflake was to ask questions about what the lesser children were doing/trending toward.

Well he is doing fine so she was right. It’s still annoying. Sorry you don’t like to hear that and need to say I think he’s some special snowflake. You would 100 percent think it was annoying if kids were 2 year older in your own kid’s class and sports teams and you know it. That’s the irony of this whole discussion. Most of the people who hold do not want older peers for their kids.

You’re the only one having this discussion. Everyone else is rolling their eyes. There’s an easy solution but you refuse to take it.

Moving your kids school isn’t an easy solution unless your kid has no friends.

So agitating to have other kids skip a grade to fix this problem is a better solution?

Loon, I didn't say anything except, wow it's annoying there are 10 year olds in my kid's third grade class, get a grip people. Your kid doesn't need to be a star in elemetary school, just send them in a reasonable amount of time. One year redshirt, fine, Two, sorry not reasonable. It's bananas and sorry you don't agree.

Loon? The people crying about birthdays in a 3rd grade classroom are unhinged. Go pick on someone your own size, baddie.

You're taking this really personally. No one is crying. I said it's out of control. And those kids are not thriving, they don't fit in and are social outcasts.

This has been such an amazing voyage. Thank you for bringing us with you.

We started with your poor son who was such a victim of the big mean redshirters that he didn’t get a place in the gifted and talented spot and he’s being held to such a high standard.

Now that standard is being set by children who “aren’t thriving and are social outcasts” and yet they’re keeping your son out of the gifted classes and holding him to such a high standard.

I’m sorry your son’s “high standard” is set by struggling children who are social outcasts.

Maybe you should hold him back a year.

🤣🤣🤣

I really want OP to keep posting. It’s DCUM top-level entertainment. I so adore DCUM anti-redshirters!

OP please tell us about private school admissions. I want all your theories.

You sound seriously unhinged. Why are you so mean? There is something wrong with you to be acting like this.

I am not OP.

It is true in general that you should not make fun of crazy people but the anti-redshirters are such a nasty group of crazy people that I will allow it.

OP never said anything nasty at all. You have posted multiple versions of this type of mean girl nonsense. Grow up.

Mocking children is pretty foul. But I guess you can overlook that since you agree with so much of her BS.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Wow, this thread grew fast. I assume the crazy anti-redshirters are frothing again? I don’t have the energy to wade through it.

OP: This is not a serious issue, speaking as a parent of teens and young adults. I did not redshirt. In fact one of my kids is a young spring birthday and has often been the youngest or close to it. I read the absolute meltdowns about redshirting from anti-redshirting posters and understand why kids have no resiliency these days — their parents can’t model it. Crazy, sad people.

OPs kid has suffered not at all as she will be quick to tell you not so humbly. He is in gifted, plays a year up in some sport, super popular, no challenges, yet, she just can’t get past the birthdays of a few classmates for no particular reason. This is her hobby in life, to perseverate on a non issue because she thinks someone else is getting something she’s not. Then she whines about “advantages” as she pays another month of tuition at her posh private school.

Wait, OP is one of the crazy anti-redshirters who doesn’t understand how private school admissions work at an extremely basic level? Hahahahahahaha. The stereotypes just write themselves.

I love the DCUM anti-redshirt threads because the absolute crazy of the anti-redshirters comes out every single time. They can’t keep a lid on it.

I’m the OP and see nothing wrong with red shirting summer. We considered it and the school themselves told us to send him at the same time they were telling others to hold . I said it was out of hand for people to redshirt kids who were already born in the first month of a school year, creating a 23 month gap with someone on the young end, mentioning the two 10 year olds in 3rd in my son’s class. No kids ever really ready for Kinder. I don’t know what people expect their child to be doing to be ready for this grade.

Hahaha this is gold. The private school, the demands that a private school follow your preferred admissions strategy, the whining, the entitlement, it is all just a perfect chef’s kiss of a post. Love it.

DCUM anti-redshirters are continually some of the best entertainment this board has to offer. Please please please never stop posting.

OP probably wears a big fake smile at all the school events having to mix and mingle with these horrible redshirting parents then comes here to gossip and trash them expecting commiseration.

I suspect her crazy leaks out. She is probably as insane-sounding to her fellow private school parents as she is here, though I suspect there is also a group that quietly keep their kids away from her.

It’s the same group that didn’t let her in on the fact that most boys in her year are redshirting. This was knowable information for the OP four years ago, clearly she’s not well integrated into her school.

So you not only game the system but you keep secrets from other parents so that you can screw them over?

What’s with the “you” accusations? OP is already gaming the system by choosing a private school, right? The public isn’t good enough. So get down off your high horse before you hurt yourself.

It was said that OP should have known that redshirting is common and it was also said that the other parents probably avoid her. Those are mutually exclusive. OP by definition is not gaming the system when the entire school is getting the same private education. All kids at the private school are getting a private education but not all kids at her school are redshirted.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Wow, this thread grew fast. I assume the crazy anti-redshirters are frothing again? I don’t have the energy to wade through it.

OP: This is not a serious issue, speaking as a parent of teens and young adults. I did not redshirt. In fact one of my kids is a young spring birthday and has often been the youngest or close to it. I read the absolute meltdowns about redshirting from anti-redshirting posters and understand why kids have no resiliency these days — their parents can’t model it. Crazy, sad people.

OPs kid has suffered not at all as she will be quick to tell you not so humbly. He is in gifted, plays a year up in some sport, super popular, no challenges, yet, she just can’t get past the birthdays of a few classmates for no particular reason. This is her hobby in life, to perseverate on a non issue because she thinks someone else is getting something she’s not. Then she whines about “advantages” as she pays another month of tuition at her posh private school.

Wait, OP is one of the crazy anti-redshirters who doesn’t understand how private school admissions work at an extremely basic level? Hahahahahahaha. The stereotypes just write themselves.

I love the DCUM anti-redshirt threads because the absolute crazy of the anti-redshirters comes out every single time. They can’t keep a lid on it.

I’m the OP and see nothing wrong with red shirting summer. We considered it and the school themselves told us to send him at the same time they were telling others to hold . I said it was out of hand for people to redshirt kids who were already born in the first month of a school year, creating a 23 month gap with someone on the young end, mentioning the two 10 year olds in 3rd in my son’s class. No kids ever really ready for Kinder. I don’t know what people expect their child to be doing to be ready for this grade.

Hahaha this is gold. The private school, the demands that a private school follow your preferred admissions strategy, the whining, the entitlement, it is all just a perfect chef’s kiss of a post. Love it.

DCUM anti-redshirters are continually some of the best entertainment this board has to offer. Please please please never stop posting.

OP probably wears a big fake smile at all the school events having to mix and mingle with these horrible redshirting parents then comes here to gossip and trash them expecting commiseration.

I suspect her crazy leaks out. She is probably as insane-sounding to her fellow private school parents as she is here, though I suspect there is also a group that quietly keep their kids away from her.

It’s the same group that didn’t let her in on the fact that most boys in her year are redshirting. This was knowable information for the OP four years ago, clearly she’s not well integrated into her school.

Well, she could have asked the admissions office, of course. Private schools don’t hide their policies on redshirting during the admissions process.

OP was too busy hearing from the PreK teacher how special her snowflake was to ask questions about what the lesser children were doing/trending toward.

Well he is doing fine so she was right. It’s still annoying. Sorry you don’t like to hear that and need to say I think he’s some special snowflake. You would 100 percent think it was annoying if kids were 2 year older in your own kid’s class and sports teams and you know it. That’s the irony of this whole discussion. Most of the people who hold do not want older peers for their kids.

You’re the only one having this discussion. Everyone else is rolling their eyes. There’s an easy solution but you refuse to take it.

Moving your kids school isn’t an easy solution unless your kid has no friends.

So agitating to have other kids skip a grade to fix this problem is a better solution?

Loon, I didn't say anything except, wow it's annoying there are 10 year olds in my kid's third grade class, get a grip people. Your kid doesn't need to be a star in elemetary school, just send them in a reasonable amount of time. One year redshirt, fine, Two, sorry not reasonable. It's bananas and sorry you don't agree.

Loon? The people crying about birthdays in a 3rd grade classroom are unhinged. Go pick on someone your own size, baddie.

You're taking this really personally. No one is crying. I said it's out of control. And those kids are not thriving, they don't fit in and are social outcasts.

This has been such an amazing voyage. Thank you for bringing us with you.

We started with your poor son who was such a victim of the big mean redshirters that he didn’t get a place in the gifted and talented spot and he’s being held to such a high standard.

Now that standard is being set by children who “aren’t thriving and are social outcasts” and yet they’re keeping your son out of the gifted classes and holding him to such a high standard.

I’m sorry your son’s “high standard” is set by struggling children who are social outcasts.

Maybe you should hold him back a year.

🤣🤣🤣

I really want OP to keep posting. It’s DCUM top-level entertainment. I so adore DCUM anti-redshirters!

OP please tell us about private school admissions. I want all your theories.

You sound seriously unhinged. Why are you so mean? There is something wrong with you to be acting like this.

I am not OP.

It is true in general that you should not make fun of crazy people but the anti-redshirters are such a nasty group of crazy people that I will allow it.

OP never said anything nasty at all. You have posted multiple versions of this type of mean girl nonsense. Grow up.

Mocking children is pretty foul. But I guess you can overlook that since you agree with so much of her BS.

I don’t see OP mocking anyone but I see a litany of posts insulting OP.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Wow, this thread grew fast. I assume the crazy anti-redshirters are frothing again? I don’t have the energy to wade through it.

OP: This is not a serious issue, speaking as a parent of teens and young adults. I did not redshirt. In fact one of my kids is a young spring birthday and has often been the youngest or close to it. I read the absolute meltdowns about redshirting from anti-redshirting posters and understand why kids have no resiliency these days — their parents can’t model it. Crazy, sad people.

OPs kid has suffered not at all as she will be quick to tell you not so humbly. He is in gifted, plays a year up in some sport, super popular, no challenges, yet, she just can’t get past the birthdays of a few classmates for no particular reason. This is her hobby in life, to perseverate on a non issue because she thinks someone else is getting something she’s not. Then she whines about “advantages” as she pays another month of tuition at her posh private school.

Wait, OP is one of the crazy anti-redshirters who doesn’t understand how private school admissions work at an extremely basic level? Hahahahahahaha. The stereotypes just write themselves.

I love the DCUM anti-redshirt threads because the absolute crazy of the anti-redshirters comes out every single time. They can’t keep a lid on it.

I’m the OP and see nothing wrong with red shirting summer. We considered it and the school themselves told us to send him at the same time they were telling others to hold . I said it was out of hand for people to redshirt kids who were already born in the first month of a school year, creating a 23 month gap with someone on the young end, mentioning the two 10 year olds in 3rd in my son’s class. No kids ever really ready for Kinder. I don’t know what people expect their child to be doing to be ready for this grade.

Hahaha this is gold. The private school, the demands that a private school follow your preferred admissions strategy, the whining, the entitlement, it is all just a perfect chef’s kiss of a post. Love it.

DCUM anti-redshirters are continually some of the best entertainment this board has to offer. Please please please never stop posting.

OP probably wears a big fake smile at all the school events having to mix and mingle with these horrible redshirting parents then comes here to gossip and trash them expecting commiseration.

I suspect her crazy leaks out. She is probably as insane-sounding to her fellow private school parents as she is here, though I suspect there is also a group that quietly keep their kids away from her.

It’s the same group that didn’t let her in on the fact that most boys in her year are redshirting. This was knowable information for the OP four years ago, clearly she’s not well integrated into her school.

So you not only game the system but you keep secrets from other parents so that you can screw them over?

What’s with the “you” accusations? OP is already gaming the system by choosing a private school, right? The public isn’t good enough. So get down off your high horse before you hurt yourself.

It was said that OP should have known that redshirting is common and it was also said that the other parents probably avoid her. Those are mutually exclusive. OP by definition is not gaming the system when the entire school is getting the same private education. All kids at the private school are getting a private education but not all kids at her school are redshirted.

Nobody is gaming the system. But OP insisted these kids were social outcasts (so sweet!) and that other people only wished they could afford private school. OP is not a very nice person.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Wow, this thread grew fast. I assume the crazy anti-redshirters are frothing again? I don’t have the energy to wade through it.

OP: This is not a serious issue, speaking as a parent of teens and young adults. I did not redshirt. In fact one of my kids is a young spring birthday and has often been the youngest or close to it. I read the absolute meltdowns about redshirting from anti-redshirting posters and understand why kids have no resiliency these days — their parents can’t model it. Crazy, sad people.

OPs kid has suffered not at all as she will be quick to tell you not so humbly. He is in gifted, plays a year up in some sport, super popular, no challenges, yet, she just can’t get past the birthdays of a few classmates for no particular reason. This is her hobby in life, to perseverate on a non issue because she thinks someone else is getting something she’s not. Then she whines about “advantages” as she pays another month of tuition at her posh private school.

Wait, OP is one of the crazy anti-redshirters who doesn’t understand how private school admissions work at an extremely basic level? Hahahahahahaha. The stereotypes just write themselves.

I love the DCUM anti-redshirt threads because the absolute crazy of the anti-redshirters comes out every single time. They can’t keep a lid on it.

I’m the OP and see nothing wrong with red shirting summer. We considered it and the school themselves told us to send him at the same time they were telling others to hold . I said it was out of hand for people to redshirt kids who were already born in the first month of a school year, creating a 23 month gap with someone on the young end, mentioning the two 10 year olds in 3rd in my son’s class. No kids ever really ready for Kinder. I don’t know what people expect their child to be doing to be ready for this grade.

Hahaha this is gold. The private school, the demands that a private school follow your preferred admissions strategy, the whining, the entitlement, it is all just a perfect chef’s kiss of a post. Love it.

DCUM anti-redshirters are continually some of the best entertainment this board has to offer. Please please please never stop posting.

OP probably wears a big fake smile at all the school events having to mix and mingle with these horrible redshirting parents then comes here to gossip and trash them expecting commiseration.

I suspect her crazy leaks out. She is probably as insane-sounding to her fellow private school parents as she is here, though I suspect there is also a group that quietly keep their kids away from her.

It’s the same group that didn’t let her in on the fact that most boys in her year are redshirting. This was knowable information for the OP four years ago, clearly she’s not well integrated into her school.

Well, she could have asked the admissions office, of course. Private schools don’t hide their policies on redshirting during the admissions process.

OP was too busy hearing from the PreK teacher how special her snowflake was to ask questions about what the lesser children were doing/trending toward.

Well he is doing fine so she was right. It’s still annoying. Sorry you don’t like to hear that and need to say I think he’s some special snowflake. You would 100 percent think it was annoying if kids were 2 year older in your own kid’s class and sports teams and you know it. That’s the irony of this whole discussion. Most of the people who hold do not want older peers for their kids.

You’re the only one having this discussion. Everyone else is rolling their eyes. There’s an easy solution but you refuse to take it.

Moving your kids school isn’t an easy solution unless your kid has no friends.

So agitating to have other kids skip a grade to fix this problem is a better solution?

Loon, I didn't say anything except, wow it's annoying there are 10 year olds in my kid's third grade class, get a grip people. Your kid doesn't need to be a star in elemetary school, just send them in a reasonable amount of time. One year redshirt, fine, Two, sorry not reasonable. It's bananas and sorry you don't agree.

Loon? The people crying about birthdays in a 3rd grade classroom are unhinged. Go pick on someone your own size, baddie.

You're taking this really personally. No one is crying. I said it's out of control. And those kids are not thriving, they don't fit in and are social outcasts.

This has been such an amazing voyage. Thank you for bringing us with you.

We started with your poor son who was such a victim of the big mean redshirters that he didn’t get a place in the gifted and talented spot and he’s being held to such a high standard.

Now that standard is being set by children who “aren’t thriving and are social outcasts” and yet they’re keeping your son out of the gifted classes and holding him to such a high standard.

I’m sorry your son’s “high standard” is set by struggling children who are social outcasts.

Maybe you should hold him back a year.

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I really want OP to keep posting. It’s DCUM top-level entertainment. I so adore DCUM anti-redshirters!

OP please tell us about private school admissions. I want all your theories.

You sound seriously unhinged. Why are you so mean? There is something wrong with you to be acting like this.

I am not OP.

It is true in general that you should not make fun of crazy people but the anti-redshirters are such a nasty group of crazy people that I will allow it.

OP never said anything nasty at all. You have posted multiple versions of this type of mean girl nonsense. Grow up.

Mocking children is pretty foul. But I guess you can overlook that since you agree with so much of her BS.

I don’t see OP mocking anyone but I see a litany of posts insulting OP.

OP deserves it for her gross attitude about other kids.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Wow, this thread grew fast. I assume the crazy anti-redshirters are frothing again? I don’t have the energy to wade through it.

OP: This is not a serious issue, speaking as a parent of teens and young adults. I did not redshirt. In fact one of my kids is a young spring birthday and has often been the youngest or close to it. I read the absolute meltdowns about redshirting from anti-redshirting posters and understand why kids have no resiliency these days — their parents can’t model it. Crazy, sad people.

OPs kid has suffered not at all as she will be quick to tell you not so humbly. He is in gifted, plays a year up in some sport, super popular, no challenges, yet, she just can’t get past the birthdays of a few classmates for no particular reason. This is her hobby in life, to perseverate on a non issue because she thinks someone else is getting something she’s not. Then she whines about “advantages” as she pays another month of tuition at her posh private school.

Wait, OP is one of the crazy anti-redshirters who doesn’t understand how private school admissions work at an extremely basic level? Hahahahahahaha. The stereotypes just write themselves.

I love the DCUM anti-redshirt threads because the absolute crazy of the anti-redshirters comes out every single time. They can’t keep a lid on it.

I’m the OP and see nothing wrong with red shirting summer. We considered it and the school themselves told us to send him at the same time they were telling others to hold . I said it was out of hand for people to redshirt kids who were already born in the first month of a school year, creating a 23 month gap with someone on the young end, mentioning the two 10 year olds in 3rd in my son’s class. No kids ever really ready for Kinder. I don’t know what people expect their child to be doing to be ready for this grade.

Hahaha this is gold. The private school, the demands that a private school follow your preferred admissions strategy, the whining, the entitlement, it is all just a perfect chef’s kiss of a post. Love it.

DCUM anti-redshirters are continually some of the best entertainment this board has to offer. Please please please never stop posting.

OP probably wears a big fake smile at all the school events having to mix and mingle with these horrible redshirting parents then comes here to gossip and trash them expecting commiseration.

I suspect her crazy leaks out. She is probably as insane-sounding to her fellow private school parents as she is here, though I suspect there is also a group that quietly keep their kids away from her.

It’s the same group that didn’t let her in on the fact that most boys in her year are redshirting. This was knowable information for the OP four years ago, clearly she’s not well integrated into her school.

So you not only game the system but you keep secrets from other parents so that you can screw them over?

Keep secrets? If I knew the OP in person I would absolutely not tell her my child’s age or about my plans to redshirt because she’s super hostile and uninformed and believes it’s her right to call practices she doesn’t understand or agree with “annoying AF” and call children “social outcasts”. If she’s being screwed over, she needs to consider how she’s coming across to the parent community. If it’s like she comes cross here she has no one to blame but herself.

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Anonymous wrote:Public schools aren’t retaining anyone because that costs $$$. I’ve only heard of retention being offered when a kid missed a lot of a grade due to something like a serious medical issue, or at the end of the Covid school years - 2019-20 or 2020-21 - if a kid didn’t progress during the closures. My neighbor had a young for grade 1st grader in 20-21 and FCPS did offer to let her repeat 1st in person.

But let this thread be a heads up to everyone: redshirting is common, perhaps even expected, in private schools, especially for the younger for grade kids. So plan accordingly.

+1, and I would say it’s increasingly common in public school among parents who read the data on developmentally appropriate settings for 4-5. So, assume if you send a four year old they’ll be youngest by a year+, and an early five year old by a year. None of this is secret, or unavailable information to you.

Since most public schools do an age cut off around September 1st, the number of kids attending K at age 4 is very small (and even people who complain about excessive redshirting don't complain about redshirting a kid who would be 4 during the "normal" cut off). In NY (which is the only place with a midyear cut off that results in a lot of 4 year olds being eligible for K) it's common for people to redshirt those kids and no one complains about it.

The only redshirting people complain about is when people start redshirting kids who would be well over 5 when starting K but they hold them back anyway. Yes, in some privates that's common place, but the school generally encourages it and everyone has a chance to do it -- they like having an older class of K students and often they will strongly encourage redshirting summer or late spring birthdays. Some schools even offer a transitional year for young K students before taking the regular K class, so you still wind up with a fairly age-homogenous class.

But in public that's not the case, and when some parents start deciding their April or May birthday kid needs another year, it can leave other parents stuck with the consequences of those actions without warning. No one is going to get mad that a parent redshirted so their kid could start K at 5, but when you see kids starting K at 6 and a half, it becomes an issue.

Please yell at me now and tell me I'm a "crazy anti-redshirter" for agreeing this specific issue is a problem.

As someone with a young for grade kid, I think it is absolutely insane to consider this a problem whatsoever, and really makes you sound like someone who has no experience with any real problems in life.

My kid with an August birthday who I sent on time (she started K at 5 but was among the youngest in her grade) was viciously bullied by a redshirted child in 1st grade. My kid was 6 years old for the entirety of 1st grade. The bullying child turned 8 in September and was signficantly bigger and taller. Redshirting played a major role in the bullying because while this one child was the leader, there were many older kids in the classroom due to redshirting and when the bully would attack/provoke my kid, she'd cry, and then all the older kids would round on her and call her a baby and tease her for being small and young (she is average height for her age).

I had no idea how prevalent redshirting was when I enrolled my kid in K. She was academically and socially ready for a K classroom full of 5 and 6 year old children. In fact she continues to be at the top of her grade academically and she is well liked by teachers for being a good listener who follows directions and is helpful and kind in the classroom (something that apparently the extra years of preschool or staying home did not help instill in these redshirted kids who are merely bigger and older, not more mature).

I absolutely resent that my child's classroom environment has been dominated by older children who I think should have spent their 5/6 year in K learning out to function in elementary school, but instead spent it elsewhere and arrived at elementary school with their own ideas about how school should work. I resent how common bullying and relational aggression are at the school because of these older-but-less-mature kids.

Call me a crazy anti-redshirted if you want. I think redshirting sucks. Kids should start school at the same age so that they learn the same skills and are generally at the same developmental level. Kids with developmental delays can/should be held back to accommodate their delays, but it shouldn't be at the parents' discretion.

We will be moving school districts before these older kids hit puberty in 3rd grade and we have to deal with that.

Your new school district will also have kids whose parents chose to start them later, your daughter will still be small/young, and bullies will still tease children who cry easily.

Your complaint is with the school for not addressing bullying, but you want to attack the parents who made what they considered the best choices for their kids. Why did the school fail to act? They are accountable to you in a way that other parents simply are not.

The new school district does not have the same issues with redshirting. There is some redshirting of summer birthdays but they don't allow this kind of extreme redshirting where kids are permitted to start K at 6.5 or above. I know because we discussed this issue explicitly with schools when we toured them this fall.

Also yes, of course my complaint is with the school. But not just for the bullying (they did an okay job addressing the bullying and at least my kid is not in a classroom with any of the bullies this year). I take issue with the school permitting such a wide range of ages in the same grade cohort, and for allowing parents to game the redshirting rules to send their kids to school very late. And I also think the school has done too little to address what are clearly social deficits in many of the redshirted kids. My issue is 100% with the school for not enforcing its enrollment rules and for the way they handle the redshirted kids. That's why we are changing schools to one where they handle this situation better.

The kids held back are less mature than the kids who are age appropiate for the grade. Its not the schools responsibility, its the parents but these are parents who generally would rather ignore the problems than adress it. The big issue is the age appropiate behaviors and academics are skewed to the older kids, not the younger ones who are in their proper grade.