JK Rowling's gender policing finally caught up to her

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how any of this is an issue. There are a tiny percentage of human beings that are born intersex. Which, fine. All accommodations should be made. But - scientifically - men are stronger, faster, have more endurance etc. Sure, Sydney McLauglin is going to beat your grandpa at anything. But she is not beating the times of the best male athletes. Intersex athletes like Caster Semenya and Imane Khalif have an unfair advantage. We all know that. They should compete with the men.

And running is one thing. But using that testosterone advantage for boxing? I mean, c'mon. Not remotely fair. It is abusive.

Where is your citation for Khalif being intersex?

The original chromosome tests, which even the boxing coach acknowledged in a French interview and the fact that Khalif withdrew their challenge with the boxing authority.

Which chromosome tests? Provide citations for all your gibberish. No test results have ever been released. The IBA won't even reveal the type of "test" they administered.

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This proves nothing. The IBA has not released the results. They are a corrupt organization with links to the Russian Mafia and Putin.

Why are they targeting Algeria and Taiwan?

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Anonymous wrote:The reason we have separate mens and women's competitions is for a good reason, as a reminder. It is inclusive, giving more people a chance to win. Combining sexes and making sports open means fewer opportunities (for women) to win.

That means that the question of who is a woman needs to be addressed rather than merely hand waved away. And there are a number of people who do not want to address the question and write down an answer.

I totally agree that it needs to be addressed. It does not mean people can just shit on an individual based on visual.

I also imagine setting the standards will be difficult and complex, and somewhat arbitrary.

It would seem appropriate to require people participating in women’s sports to be XX, and exclude any XY variant.

They already test for doping. Testing for XY chromosomes is no different.

The irony if you go down this path is that it would likely knock out a lot of female athletes who present according to Western feminine gender norms. And it may very well be that Khelif is XY but has higher testosterone level.

And if you're going to do this, then you need to test all previous Olympic medal winners to see if their wins should be vacated. Right?

This is the can of worms you want to open. You need to really think through all the ramifications.

I see no reason to test all previous athletes. The rule would pertain moving forward.

A can of worms has to be opened. We cannot let males compete against females. Something needs to be done.

Repeat after me: Imane Khelif is a woman.

Can you do it? 5 simple words. Just say it.

Unless and until the results are released, we don’t have evidence of that. You know who can authorize release of the results? Imane Khelif.

How do you know Katie Ledecky is an XX chromosomal "woman"? Simone Biles? Gabby Thomas? Sam Coffey? Ilona Maher?

Do you have definitive "evidence" that they are not men? Did they release their test results to your satisfaction?

Oh you don't have that evidence.

Repeat after me: "Imane Khelif is a woman." Say it, derp.

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Anonymous wrote:So many ppl threatened by those different than themselves. It’s sad. Maybe they need therapy.

It’s sad that people cannot simply acknowledge and accept that there is occasionally scientific reality and fact that goes against their personal feelings and beliefs.

There are two sexes among Homo sapiens: male and female. Sex in humans is determined by the presence of XX or XY chromosomes. That’s it. That’s all that matters. Not anatomy, not opinion, not hairstyle, not feelings, not clothing, not surgery, not hormone therapy, not gender reassignment, nothing EXCEPT chromosomes dictate sex.


It’s really frustrating and frankly - weird - like Trumpian weird - that so many people who profess to trust the science in other areas (climate, pandemic safety, vaccines, etc) so stubbornly deny the science when it comes to this subject. Then it all goes back to personal feelings.

It’s disappointing. Many of you are so much less intelligent than you think you are. It’s sad.

Takes one to know one!

You’re certain there’s just “XX” and “XY.” That would be news to those with XXY and XYY conditions and others like it. But you’re so intelligent.

How many times does it need to be explained that XXY and XYY occur when something goes wrong with the process?
It is not one of the two expected outcomes for an offspring.

It’s pretty rich that you accuse others of lack of intelligence when you can’t grasp this simple concept.

Do you think "Science" is some god sitting around on a golden throne with expectations and plans? That's interpretation, and it is done by humans. Science talks about what IS. What "SHOULD BE" is a matter of interpretation, and it would be pretty squishy for a scientist to suggest otherwise.

Incorrect. The current accepted science is that a male and a female mate to produce either male or female offspring. Anything other than that is an unexpected error. A deviation from the ideal.

That is what science is. This is our current belief. This has been our belief for literally centuries. There is no body of evidence that proves otherwise. If there someday is, the scientific consensus will change.

Darwin’s theory of evolution is the current accepted explanation for evolution. Until someone comes along and shows otherwise, his theory is what scientists believe to be true.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how any of this is an issue. There are a tiny percentage of human beings that are born intersex. Which, fine. All accommodations should be made. But - scientifically - men are stronger, faster, have more endurance etc. Sure, Sydney McLauglin is going to beat your grandpa at anything. But she is not beating the times of the best male athletes. Intersex athletes like Caster Semenya and Imane Khalif have an unfair advantage. We all know that. They should compete with the men.

And running is one thing. But using that testosterone advantage for boxing? I mean, c'mon. Not remotely fair. It is abusive.

Where is your citation for Khalif being intersex?

The original chromosome tests, which even the boxing coach acknowledged in a French interview and the fact that Khalif withdrew their challenge with the boxing authority.

Which chromosome tests? Provide citations for all your gibberish. No test results have ever been released. The IBA won't even reveal the type of "test" they administered.

DP

This proves nothing. The IBA has not released the results. They are a corrupt organization with links to the Russian Mafia and Putin.

Why are they targeting Algeria and Taiwan?

No, they are targeting weirdo conservatives around the world to attack women. Attack women who don't adhere to strict gender norms. Attack all womens' sports. Attack feminism and women's equality. That's the irony of JK Rowling's trans obsession - it open pandora's box to judging real women who don't fit into neat boxes.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how any of this is an issue. There are a tiny percentage of human beings that are born intersex. Which, fine. All accommodations should be made. But - scientifically - men are stronger, faster, have more endurance etc. Sure, Sydney McLauglin is going to beat your grandpa at anything. But she is not beating the times of the best male athletes. Intersex athletes like Caster Semenya and Imane Khalif have an unfair advantage. We all know that. They should compete with the men.

And running is one thing. But using that testosterone advantage for boxing? I mean, c'mon. Not remotely fair. It is abusive.

Where is your citation for Khalif being intersex?

The original chromosome tests, which even the boxing coach acknowledged in a French interview and the fact that Khalif withdrew their challenge with the boxing authority.

Which chromosome tests? Provide citations for all your gibberish. No test results have ever been released. The IBA won't even reveal the type of "test" they administered.

DP

This proves nothing. The IBA has not released the results. They are a corrupt organization with links to the Russian Mafia and Putin.

Why are they targeting Algeria and Taiwan?

They don't care what country they come from. They are targeting athletes who beat Russians. Targeting women who have inspirational stories of coming up against adversity. Attacking women who don't adhere to societal gender norms - straight, feminine, petite, subservient, domestic-focused, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:A laboratory test seems like the easiest way to put this to rest.

If there are any “Y” chromosomes detected, the boxer is male. If not, the boxer is female. This is a binary outcome. One or the other. And then we’ll know the answer.


I trust science.

According to science, it is possible for females to have Y chromosomes. It is not binary.

Are you a scientist? Because you are misreading this. It is binary. The only time it isn’t is when there is a mutation.

So people with mutations can’t be athletes?

Let's think about this... the sport is boxing. Someone with a mutation that puts them physically on the "male" side should probably box with males, no? Or, let's just get rid of gendered sports all together and have everyone duke it out, regardless of anatomy?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how any of this is an issue. There are a tiny percentage of human beings that are born intersex. Which, fine. All accommodations should be made. But - scientifically - men are stronger, faster, have more endurance etc. Sure, Sydney McLauglin is going to beat your grandpa at anything. But she is not beating the times of the best male athletes. Intersex athletes like Caster Semenya and Imane Khalif have an unfair advantage. We all know that. They should compete with the men.

And running is one thing. But using that testosterone advantage for boxing? I mean, c'mon. Not remotely fair. It is abusive.

Where is your citation for Khalif being intersex?

The original chromosome tests, which even the boxing coach acknowledged in a French interview and the fact that Khalif withdrew their challenge with the boxing authority.

Which chromosome tests? Provide citations for all your gibberish. No test results have ever been released. The IBA won't even reveal the type of "test" they administered.

DP

This proves nothing. The IBA has not released the results. They are a corrupt organization with links to the Russian Mafia and Putin.

Why are they targeting Algeria and Taiwan?

They don't care what country they come from. They are targeting athletes who beat Russians. Targeting women who have inspirational stories of coming up against adversity. Attacking women who don't adhere to societal gender norms - straight, feminine, petite, subservient, domestic-focused, etc.

Did the one from Taiwan also beat a Russian before the testing that was flagged?

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Anonymous wrote:If there are no truth to any of this, do posters believe Russia is targeting this boxer? Of all the boxers that submitted testing, they just picked this person to claim failed the test? To what end?

The sudden disqualification came three days after she beat a previously undefeated Russian boxer.

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Anonymous wrote:A laboratory test seems like the easiest way to put this to rest.

If there are any “Y” chromosomes detected, the boxer is male. If not, the boxer is female. This is a binary outcome. One or the other. And then we’ll know the answer.


I trust science.

According to science, it is possible for females to have Y chromosomes. It is not binary.

Are you a scientist? Because you are misreading this. It is binary. The only time it isn’t is when there is a mutation.

So people with mutations can’t be athletes?

Let's think about this... the sport is boxing. Someone with a mutation that puts them physically on the "male" side should probably box with males, no? Or, let's just get rid of gendered sports all together and have everyone duke it out, regardless of anatomy?

What does this mean?

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Anonymous wrote:A laboratory test seems like the easiest way to put this to rest.

If there are any “Y” chromosomes detected, the boxer is male. If not, the boxer is female. This is a binary outcome. One or the other. And then we’ll know the answer.


I trust science.

According to science, it is possible for females to have Y chromosomes. It is not binary.

Are you a scientist? Because you are misreading this. It is binary. The only time it isn’t is when there is a mutation.

So people with mutations can’t be athletes?

Let's think about this... the sport is boxing. Someone with a mutation that puts them physically on the "male" side should probably box with males, no? Or, let's just get rid of gendered sports all together and have everyone duke it out, regardless of anatomy?

I guess Phelps is out. Mutant.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how any of this is an issue. There are a tiny percentage of human beings that are born intersex. Which, fine. All accommodations should be made. But - scientifically - men are stronger, faster, have more endurance etc. Sure, Sydney McLauglin is going to beat your grandpa at anything. But she is not beating the times of the best male athletes. Intersex athletes like Caster Semenya and Imane Khalif have an unfair advantage. We all know that. They should compete with the men.

And running is one thing. But using that testosterone advantage for boxing? I mean, c'mon. Not remotely fair. It is abusive.

Where is your citation for Khalif being intersex?

The original chromosome tests, which even the boxing coach acknowledged in a French interview and the fact that Khalif withdrew their challenge with the boxing authority.

Which chromosome tests? Provide citations for all your gibberish. No test results have ever been released. The IBA won't even reveal the type of "test" they administered.

DP

This proves nothing. The IBA has not released the results. They are a corrupt organization with links to the Russian Mafia and Putin.

Why are they targeting Algeria and Taiwan?

They don't care what country they come from. They are targeting athletes who beat Russians. Targeting women who have inspirational stories of coming up against adversity. Attacking women who don't adhere to societal gender norms - straight, feminine, petite, subservient, domestic-focused, etc.

Did the one from Taiwan also beat a Russian before the testing that was flagged?

Russia is now subservient to China, so I'm sure they gladly approved of Russia-controlled IBA humiliating an elite Taiwanese athlete.

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Anonymous wrote:A laboratory test seems like the easiest way to put this to rest.

If there are any “Y” chromosomes detected, the boxer is male. If not, the boxer is female. This is a binary outcome. One or the other. And then we’ll know the answer.


I trust science.

According to science, it is possible for females to have Y chromosomes. It is not binary.

Are you a scientist? Because you are misreading this. It is binary. The only time it isn’t is when there is a mutation.

So people with mutations can’t be athletes?

Let's think about this... the sport is boxing. Someone with a mutation that puts them physically on the "male" side should probably box with males, no? Or, let's just get rid of gendered sports all together and have everyone duke it out, regardless of anatomy?

What does this mean?

As someone else put it upthread, sex is bimodal. While there are two usual sexes, sometimes there are variations. But they tend to present as either mostly male or mostly female. An intersex person with high (usable) testosterone is mostly male, regardless of genitalia. And vice versa.

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Anonymous wrote:A laboratory test seems like the easiest way to put this to rest.

If there are any “Y” chromosomes detected, the boxer is male. If not, the boxer is female. This is a binary outcome. One or the other. And then we’ll know the answer.


I trust science.

According to science, it is possible for females to have Y chromosomes. It is not binary.

Are you a scientist? Because you are misreading this. It is binary. The only time it isn’t is when there is a mutation.

So people with mutations can’t be athletes?

Let's think about this... the sport is boxing. Someone with a mutation that puts them physically on the "male" side should probably box with males, no? Or, let's just get rid of gendered sports all together and have everyone duke it out, regardless of anatomy?

What does this mean?

"You know it when you see it!"

-Every idiot who loves Howling Rowling

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Anonymous wrote:A laboratory test seems like the easiest way to put this to rest.

If there are any “Y” chromosomes detected, the boxer is male. If not, the boxer is female. This is a binary outcome. One or the other. And then we’ll know the answer.


I trust science.

According to science, it is possible for females to have Y chromosomes. It is not binary.

Are you a scientist? Because you are misreading this. It is binary. The only time it isn’t is when there is a mutation.

So people with mutations can’t be athletes?

Let's think about this... the sport is boxing. Someone with a mutation that puts them physically on the "male" side should probably box with males, no? Or, let's just get rid of gendered sports all together and have everyone duke it out, regardless of anatomy?

I guess Phelps is out. Mutant.

Fascinating, how some posters are just unable to grapple with the idea of sexes. They just cannot do it. I don't really understand why, tbh.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how any of this is an issue. There are a tiny percentage of human beings that are born intersex. Which, fine. All accommodations should be made. But - scientifically - men are stronger, faster, have more endurance etc. Sure, Sydney McLauglin is going to beat your grandpa at anything. But she is not beating the times of the best male athletes. Intersex athletes like Caster Semenya and Imane Khalif have an unfair advantage. We all know that. They should compete with the men.

And running is one thing. But using that testosterone advantage for boxing? I mean, c'mon. Not remotely fair. It is abusive.

Where is your citation for Khalif being intersex?

The original chromosome tests, which even the boxing coach acknowledged in a French interview and the fact that Khalif withdrew their challenge with the boxing authority.

Which chromosome tests? Provide citations for all your gibberish. No test results have ever been released. The IBA won't even reveal the type of "test" they administered.

DP

This proves nothing. The IBA has not released the results. They are a corrupt organization with links to the Russian Mafia and Putin.

Why are they targeting Algeria and Taiwan?

They don't care what country they come from. They are targeting athletes who beat Russians. Targeting women who have inspirational stories of coming up against adversity. Attacking women who don't adhere to societal gender norms - straight, feminine, petite, subservient, domestic-focused, etc.

Did the one from Taiwan also beat a Russian before the testing that was flagged?

Russia is now subservient to China, so I'm sure they gladly approved of Russia-controlled IBA humiliating an elite Taiwanese athlete.

Worth it to take down their main foe - Algeria!