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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

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Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

I'm not sure why, except that you're so convinced of your own parental superiority, that you think every poster suggesting factors that may contribute to the obesity epidemic has overweight kids?

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who doesn't. But I hope your rants about "culpability" are making you feel better?

Any posters without overweight kids who are nevertheless coming up with these absurd excuses are most likely your typical disingenuous virtue-signalers.

As opposed to, you know, scientists.

I am a scientist. With an understanding of statistics and uncertainty analysis. Many of you are concentrating on the variables that are essentially in the noise and ignoring the glaringly obvious variable (which is clearly the overall number of calories consumed).

I agree with PP. Plenty of reputable health sites say hormones and genetics can be causes of childhood obesity. But many experts do agree that the main cause is overeating and leading a sedentary lifestyle. Think about how much screen time kids get these days, as one example.

This is an anecdote, but we can eat mostly anything that we prepare at home, as long as we stick to 3 meals a day with 1 or no snacks. I def notice when I skip meals and start snacking, or start ordering out more, my weight creeps up. If I cook it at home, anything seems to be fine to eat.

I do know a few overweight kids and they overeat quite a bit. I have seen an obese 5 year old be portioned 4 pieces of pizza for dinner by a grandparent. I see kids at the park walking around with containers of Pringles and big bags of candy. I feel like all of the excuses on this thread make it feel so hopeless for the next generation to maintain their health, when the answers are actually much simpler for the vast majority of people (not everyone, but most people).

I don't think looking for crazy answers is what's going to help most people.

Sure, but if you gave most kids 4 slices of pizza at a party, most would eat a couple and then leave the rest and go play. It would be wasteful. Why does that child eat 4 slices when others wouldn't?

I have no idea. My kids are normal weight but would eat multiple desserts if I didn't limit that food. But I do limit it, and it's NOT easy. Does that kid like pizza the way my kids like ice cream and cookies? Or is it something else? I have no idea.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

I'm not sure why, except that you're so convinced of your own parental superiority, that you think every poster suggesting factors that may contribute to the obesity epidemic has overweight kids?

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who doesn't. But I hope your rants about "culpability" are making you feel better?

Any posters without overweight kids who are nevertheless coming up with these absurd excuses are most likely your typical disingenuous virtue-signalers.

As opposed to, you know, scientists.

I am a scientist. With an understanding of statistics and uncertainty analysis. Many of you are concentrating on the variables that are essentially in the noise and ignoring the glaringly obvious variable (which is clearly the overall number of calories consumed).

I agree with PP. Plenty of reputable health sites say hormones and genetics can be causes of childhood obesity. But many experts do agree that the main cause is overeating and leading a sedentary lifestyle. Think about how much screen time kids get these days, as one example.

This is an anecdote, but we can eat mostly anything that we prepare at home, as long as we stick to 3 meals a day with 1 or no snacks. I def notice when I skip meals and start snacking, or start ordering out more, my weight creeps up. If I cook it at home, anything seems to be fine to eat.

I do know a few overweight kids and they overeat quite a bit. I have seen an obese 5 year old be portioned 4 pieces of pizza for dinner by a grandparent. I see kids at the park walking around with containers of Pringles and big bags of candy. I feel like all of the excuses on this thread make it feel so hopeless for the next generation to maintain their health, when the answers are actually much simpler for the vast majority of people (not everyone, but most people).

I don't think looking for crazy answers is what's going to help most people.

This is where I disagree. It is like anything where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Very worthy of attention. And no one is asking for a pass from accountability. they are pointing out the ineffectiveness of shaming and blaming. When people are shamed for their weight, it leads to increased weight, not the opposite. Shaming parents does not achieve anything either.

Additionally, it is not “simple” to remove processed foods and lack of activity from our culture. So it is not like everyone is missing some easy fix on a population level.

lol yes we know you disagree. You have posted 7200 times that obesity is not due to nutrition or exercise choices but rather factors outside of your control. You should talk to your doctor about that.

You also have a psychological problem if restricting calories to a healthy level is viewed in your mind as “shaming.” More than one unhealthy thing is going on in your life lady!!

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

I'm not sure why, except that you're so convinced of your own parental superiority, that you think every poster suggesting factors that may contribute to the obesity epidemic has overweight kids?

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who doesn't. But I hope your rants about "culpability" are making you feel better?

Any posters without overweight kids who are nevertheless coming up with these absurd excuses are most likely your typical disingenuous virtue-signalers.

As opposed to, you know, scientists.

I am a scientist. With an understanding of statistics and uncertainty analysis. Many of you are concentrating on the variables that are essentially in the noise and ignoring the glaringly obvious variable (which is clearly the overall number of calories consumed).

I agree with PP. Plenty of reputable health sites say hormones and genetics can be causes of childhood obesity. But many experts do agree that the main cause is overeating and leading a sedentary lifestyle. Think about how much screen time kids get these days, as one example.

This is an anecdote, but we can eat mostly anything that we prepare at home, as long as we stick to 3 meals a day with 1 or no snacks. I def notice when I skip meals and start snacking, or start ordering out more, my weight creeps up. If I cook it at home, anything seems to be fine to eat.

I do know a few overweight kids and they overeat quite a bit. I have seen an obese 5 year old be portioned 4 pieces of pizza for dinner by a grandparent. I see kids at the park walking around with containers of Pringles and big bags of candy. I feel like all of the excuses on this thread make it feel so hopeless for the next generation to maintain their health, when the answers are actually much simpler for the vast majority of people (not everyone, but most people).

I don't think looking for crazy answers is what's going to help most people.

This is where I disagree. It is like anything where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Very worthy of attention. And no one is asking for a pass from accountability. they are pointing out the ineffectiveness of shaming and blaming. When people are shamed for their weight, it leads to increased weight, not the opposite. Shaming parents does not achieve anything either.

Additionally, it is not “simple” to remove processed foods and lack of activity from our culture. So it is not like everyone is missing some easy fix on a population level.

lol yes we know you disagree. You have posted 7200 times that obesity is not due to nutrition or exercise choices but rather factors outside of your control. You should talk to your doctor about that.

You also have a psychological problem if restricting calories to a healthy level is viewed in your mind as “shaming.” More than one unhealthy thing is going on in your life lady!!

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Some kids just seem to have bigger appetites. I’ve noticed this since my own kids were young (because all 3 of mine have always had light appetites and it used to worry me). At elementary parties some kids would eat multiple slices of pizza and my kids would pick and maybe eat like 1/2 of a slice, for example. Even as teens my kids do not all that much, and they are tall and skinny. For example my teen DS might eat 1-2 slices of a large pizza for dinner and he is almost 6ft tall (but skinny) and plays sports - it has often worried me but clearly he is eating enough for himself/growth. I made a chocolate cake last week and my 3 teens can have as much as they want- ended up throwing half of it out after it was uneaten. They like cake but just eat one slice and forget about it. Yet many young elementary kids will naturally eat way more than my 15yo at a meal. Or eat favorite foods and sweets until a parent says no. Why?

Not sure what my point is- but IMO it isn’t even the type of food served to a kid- my kids eat plenty of junk and so did I when growing up. It’s quantity. Why do some kids eat so much more than others? Why do others have lighter appetites or less interest in food? I have no idea but figuring it out seems to be the key IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

I'm not sure why, except that you're so convinced of your own parental superiority, that you think every poster suggesting factors that may contribute to the obesity epidemic has overweight kids?

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who doesn't. But I hope your rants about "culpability" are making you feel better?

Any posters without overweight kids who are nevertheless coming up with these absurd excuses are most likely your typical disingenuous virtue-signalers.

As opposed to, you know, scientists.

I am a scientist. With an understanding of statistics and uncertainty analysis. Many of you are concentrating on the variables that are essentially in the noise and ignoring the glaringly obvious variable (which is clearly the overall number of calories consumed).

I agree with PP. Plenty of reputable health sites say hormones and genetics can be causes of childhood obesity. But many experts do agree that the main cause is overeating and leading a sedentary lifestyle. Think about how much screen time kids get these days, as one example.

This is an anecdote, but we can eat mostly anything that we prepare at home, as long as we stick to 3 meals a day with 1 or no snacks. I def notice when I skip meals and start snacking, or start ordering out more, my weight creeps up. If I cook it at home, anything seems to be fine to eat.

I do know a few overweight kids and they overeat quite a bit. I have seen an obese 5 year old be portioned 4 pieces of pizza for dinner by a grandparent. I see kids at the park walking around with containers of Pringles and big bags of candy. I feel like all of the excuses on this thread make it feel so hopeless for the next generation to maintain their health, when the answers are actually much simpler for the vast majority of people (not everyone, but most people).

I don't think looking for crazy answers is what's going to help most people.

This is where I disagree. It is like anything where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Very worthy of attention. And no one is asking for a pass from accountability. they are pointing out the ineffectiveness of shaming and blaming. When people are shamed for their weight, it leads to increased weight, not the opposite. Shaming parents does not achieve anything either.

Additionally, it is not “simple” to remove processed foods and lack of activity from our culture. So it is not like everyone is missing some easy fix on a population level.

lol yes we know you disagree. You have posted 7200 times that obesity is not due to nutrition or exercise choices but rather factors outside of your control. You should talk to your doctor about that.

You also have a psychological problem if restricting calories to a healthy level is viewed in your mind as “shaming.” More than one unhealthy thing is going on in your life lady!!

You’re making things up at this point just to continue trolling. Yawn.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

It is well known, and considered a feature rather than a big, that antibiotics in agricultural use increases the size of animals. Antibiotics are routinely used prophylactically as a precaution and to make up for poor living conditions, and as a bonus, the animals are larger, making them more profitable. Win win. After the animals are slaughtered, those antibiotics remain and are then consumed by people, including children.

The antibiotics probably work to increase size by altering the gut biome but it isn't well studied because no one cares that much.

Children are given antibiotics from birth and throughout childhood for a variety of reasons. But even those who never take antibiotics are still consuming them every day.

Even if this were true, it doesn't explain why all of the thin kids and adults who still eat all of this stuff are thin. So, it's not this.

This is really really basic: different environmental factors impact people differently based on their genes and the combination of exposures and experiences they have had. This is stuff you could learn with less than an hour of research required.

Yes - it has nothing to do with diet or exercise.

I don't think anyone has said it has nothing to do with diet or exercise. They're pointing out that those aren't the ONLY issues. People are trying to reduce this to a single thing they can cast blame (and pat themselves on the back) for.

So, congrats, I guess?

In the example above, don't you think it's wrong to give a toddler a big can of Pringle's to carry around the park?

Why is it so weirdly important to you to get a head pat for making better choices than some imaginary mom at a playground?

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At our pool, the kids are skinny and healthy, and they swim like fish; their parents, meanwhile, never get in the water and they're the chunky ones.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

It is well known, and considered a feature rather than a big, that antibiotics in agricultural use increases the size of animals. Antibiotics are routinely used prophylactically as a precaution and to make up for poor living conditions, and as a bonus, the animals are larger, making them more profitable. Win win. After the animals are slaughtered, those antibiotics remain and are then consumed by people, including children.

The antibiotics probably work to increase size by altering the gut biome but it isn't well studied because no one cares that much.

Children are given antibiotics from birth and throughout childhood for a variety of reasons. But even those who never take antibiotics are still consuming them every day.

Even if this were true, it doesn't explain why all of the thin kids and adults who still eat all of this stuff are thin. So, it's not this.

This is really really basic: different environmental factors impact people differently based on their genes and the combination of exposures and experiences they have had. This is stuff you could learn with less than an hour of research required.

Yes - it has nothing to do with diet or exercise.

I don't think anyone has said it has nothing to do with diet or exercise. They're pointing out that those aren't the ONLY issues. People are trying to reduce this to a single thing they can cast blame (and pat themselves on the back) for.

So, congrats, I guess?

In the example above, don't you think it's wrong to give a toddler a big can of Pringle's to carry around the park?

Why is it so weirdly important to you to get a head pat for making better choices than some imaginary mom at a playground?

I don't think anyone was looking for a pat on the back.

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Buttt why not

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

It is well known, and considered a feature rather than a big, that antibiotics in agricultural use increases the size of animals. Antibiotics are routinely used prophylactically as a precaution and to make up for poor living conditions, and as a bonus, the animals are larger, making them more profitable. Win win. After the animals are slaughtered, those antibiotics remain and are then consumed by people, including children.

The antibiotics probably work to increase size by altering the gut biome but it isn't well studied because no one cares that much.

Children are given antibiotics from birth and throughout childhood for a variety of reasons. But even those who never take antibiotics are still consuming them every day.

Even if this were true, it doesn't explain why all of the thin kids and adults who still eat all of this stuff are thin. So, it's not this.

This is really really basic: different environmental factors impact people differently based on their genes and the combination of exposures and experiences they have had. This is stuff you could learn with less than an hour of research required.

Yes - it has nothing to do with diet or exercise.

I don't think anyone has said it has nothing to do with diet or exercise. They're pointing out that those aren't the ONLY issues. People are trying to reduce this to a single thing they can cast blame (and pat themselves on the back) for.

So, congrats, I guess?

In the example above, don't you think it's wrong to give a toddler a big can of Pringle's to carry around the park?

Why is it so weirdly important to you to get a head pat for making better choices than some imaginary mom at a playground?

I don't think anyone was looking for a pat on the back.

+1. We are merely pointing out things that are commonplace and shouldn't be. Like parents dropping off CFA lunch at school. Our HS finally banned lunch drop off because it got so out of hand.

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Tales from a mom and regular substitute in FCPS to include PE.

Your kids aren’t exercising and are basically sedentary. They get dropped off at the bus stop, then get picked up from Kiss n Ride after school. They’re not climbing trees, roller skating, biking, playing tag or pick up basketball until dinner. No - and this falls in demographic lines. Dinner is very late and typically fast food.

UMC kids will have after school supervised activities and maybe even sports but most all youth sports practices aren’t a full hour of physical exercise. Lots of standing around or even sitting out.

Lower MC and below will go back to their apartments and snack and play video games or watch tv. They aren’t playing outside alone or with friends because parent isn’t around and often they are the ersatz babysitter.

Kids of all ages (save for very few) will routinely skip/sit out/refuse to participate in gym class.

Field days are now just mini carnivals with students wandering around eating snow cones and begging to go inside for card games and a/c.

Sixth grade dances have set up quiet rooms for those who’d prefer to sit and play cards. Same with All Night Grad parties. Always options to just sit out without being active.

Recess - kids are at a loss and unsure what exactly to do with themselves. Terrible injures and collisions because they are unaccustomed to freely moving around and playing safely. Many uncoordinated kids who unable and embarrassed to be breathless and out of shape just sit out or sit on a bench.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

It is well known, and considered a feature rather than a big, that antibiotics in agricultural use increases the size of animals. Antibiotics are routinely used prophylactically as a precaution and to make up for poor living conditions, and as a bonus, the animals are larger, making them more profitable. Win win. After the animals are slaughtered, those antibiotics remain and are then consumed by people, including children.

The antibiotics probably work to increase size by altering the gut biome but it isn't well studied because no one cares that much.

Children are given antibiotics from birth and throughout childhood for a variety of reasons. But even those who never take antibiotics are still consuming them every day.

Even if this were true, it doesn't explain why all of the thin kids and adults who still eat all of this stuff are thin. So, it's not this.

This is really really basic: different environmental factors impact people differently based on their genes and the combination of exposures and experiences they have had. This is stuff you could learn with less than an hour of research required.

Yes - it has nothing to do with diet or exercise.

I don't think anyone has said it has nothing to do with diet or exercise. They're pointing out that those aren't the ONLY issues. People are trying to reduce this to a single thing they can cast blame (and pat themselves on the back) for.

So, congrats, I guess?

In the example above, don't you think it's wrong to give a toddler a big can of Pringle's to carry around the park?

Why is it so weirdly important to you to get a head pat for making better choices than some imaginary mom at a playground?

I don't think anyone was looking for a pat on the back.

I actually think that's exactly what some posters want. My kids are thin because I parent the best. Not like those fatties.

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Anonymous wrote:Tales from a mom and regular substitute in FCPS to include PE.

Your kids aren’t exercising and are basically sedentary. They get dropped off at the bus stop, then get picked up from Kiss n Ride after school. They’re not climbing trees, roller skating, biking, playing tag or pick up basketball until dinner. No - and this falls in demographic lines. Dinner is very late and typically fast food.

UMC kids will have after school supervised activities and maybe even sports but most all youth sports practices aren’t a full hour of physical exercise. Lots of standing around or even sitting out.

Lower MC and below will go back to their apartments and snack and play video games or watch tv. They aren’t playing outside alone or with friends because parent isn’t around and often they are the ersatz babysitter.

Kids of all ages (save for very few) will routinely skip/sit out/refuse to participate in gym class.

Field days are now just mini carnivals with students wandering around eating snow cones and begging to go inside for card games and a/c.

Sixth grade dances have set up quiet rooms for those who’d prefer to sit and play cards. Same with All Night Grad parties. Always options to just sit out without being active.

Recess - kids are at a loss and unsure what exactly to do with themselves. Terrible injures and collisions because they are unaccustomed to freely moving around and playing safely. Many uncoordinated kids who unable and embarrassed to be breathless and out of shape just sit out or sit on a bench.

I’m not seeing this. I am UMC maybe wealthy. If anything kids seem extremely active and athletic.

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Anonymous wrote:Tales from a mom and regular substitute in FCPS to include PE.

Your kids aren’t exercising and are basically sedentary. They get dropped off at the bus stop, then get picked up from Kiss n Ride after school. They’re not climbing trees, roller skating, biking, playing tag or pick up basketball until dinner. No - and this falls in demographic lines. Dinner is very late and typically fast food.

UMC kids will have after school supervised activities and maybe even sports but most all youth sports practices aren’t a full hour of physical exercise. Lots of standing around or even sitting out.

Lower MC and below will go back to their apartments and snack and play video games or watch tv. They aren’t playing outside alone or with friends because parent isn’t around and often they are the ersatz babysitter.

Kids of all ages (save for very few) will routinely skip/sit out/refuse to participate in gym class.

Field days are now just mini carnivals with students wandering around eating snow cones and begging to go inside for card games and a/c.

Sixth grade dances have set up quiet rooms for those who’d prefer to sit and play cards. Same with All Night Grad parties. Always options to just sit out without being active.

Recess - kids are at a loss and unsure what exactly to do with themselves. Terrible injures and collisions because they are unaccustomed to freely moving around and playing safely. Many uncoordinated kids who unable and embarrassed to be breathless and out of shape just sit out or sit on a bench.

I’m not seeing this. I am UMC maybe wealthy. If anything kids seem extremely active and athletic.

Well I see it weekly and all across FCPS

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Anonymous wrote:More thoughts on obese students: their parents excuse them from everything. Can’t go outside for recess because of seasonal allergies.

Will make their way to the school clinic from recess and or PE and demand to rest or go home due to nausea, overheat, fatigue or will want to lie down for duration of the physical activity. Running the pacer day is a nightmare for clinic staff - mad scramble for stock inhalers.

This goes on from K-HS. I’ve heard parents say they’ve signed up Larla/Larlo “for sports” for the sole purpose of “exercise” and “fitness” but these are the same kids who stay up all night gaming, eating fistfuls of Takis, stop at 7-11/Starbucks for giant cokes/fancy coffees en route to school, and DoorDash food to be delivered ahead of X practice. In ES, Larlo just stands there at baseball practice and in the games.

Baseball does not provide decent exercise even on a good day.