Noticing very chunky young kids

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

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Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

It is well known, and considered a feature rather than a big, that antibiotics in agricultural use increases the size of animals. Antibiotics are routinely used prophylactically as a precaution and to make up for poor living conditions, and as a bonus, the animals are larger, making them more profitable. Win win. After the animals are slaughtered, those antibiotics remain and are then consumed by people, including children.

The antibiotics probably work to increase size by altering the gut biome but it isn't well studied because no one cares that much.

Children are given antibiotics from birth and throughout childhood for a variety of reasons. But even those who never take antibiotics are still consuming them every day.

Even if this were true, it doesn't explain why all of the thin kids and adults who still eat all of this stuff are thin. So, it's not this.

This is really really basic: different environmental factors impact people differently based on their genes and the combination of exposures and experiences they have had. This is stuff you could learn with less than an hour of research required.

Then riddle me the 1950s example

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

I'm not sure why, except that you're so convinced of your own parental superiority, that you think every poster suggesting factors that may contribute to the obesity epidemic has overweight kids?

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who doesn't. But I hope your rants about "culpability" are making you feel better?

Any posters without overweight kids who are nevertheless coming up with these absurd excuses are most likely your typical disingenuous virtue-signalers.

As opposed to, you know, scientists.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

This is not fringe stuff. This is openly available info via NIH.

Then find it? It’s fringe, it’s fake, and you’re a bad parent.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

It is well known, and considered a feature rather than a big, that antibiotics in agricultural use increases the size of animals. Antibiotics are routinely used prophylactically as a precaution and to make up for poor living conditions, and as a bonus, the animals are larger, making them more profitable. Win win. After the animals are slaughtered, those antibiotics remain and are then consumed by people, including children.

The antibiotics probably work to increase size by altering the gut biome but it isn't well studied because no one cares that much.

Children are given antibiotics from birth and throughout childhood for a variety of reasons. But even those who never take antibiotics are still consuming them every day.

Even if this were true, it doesn't explain why all of the thin kids and adults who still eat all of this stuff are thin. So, it's not this.

This is really really basic: different environmental factors impact people differently based on their genes and the combination of exposures and experiences they have had. This is stuff you could learn with less than an hour of research required.

Then riddle me the 1950s example

Kids are more experiencing more trauma now duhhh

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

I'm not sure why, except that you're so convinced of your own parental superiority, that you think every poster suggesting factors that may contribute to the obesity epidemic has overweight kids?

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who doesn't. But I hope your rants about "culpability" are making you feel better?

Any posters without overweight kids who are nevertheless coming up with these absurd excuses are most likely your typical disingenuous virtue-signalers.

As opposed to, you know, scientists.

I am a scientist. With an understanding of statistics and uncertainty analysis. Many of you are concentrating on the variables that are essentially in the noise and ignoring the glaringly obvious variable (which is clearly the overall number of calories consumed).

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

I'm not sure why, except that you're so convinced of your own parental superiority, that you think every poster suggesting factors that may contribute to the obesity epidemic has overweight kids?

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who doesn't. But I hope your rants about "culpability" are making you feel better?

Any posters without overweight kids who are nevertheless coming up with these absurd excuses are most likely your typical disingenuous virtue-signalers.

As opposed to, you know, scientists.

I am a scientist. With an understanding of statistics and uncertainty analysis. Many of you are concentrating on the variables that are essentially in the noise and ignoring the glaringly obvious variable (which is clearly the overall number of calories consumed).

No, calories are obvious. But why are kids consuming more calories now? Bigger bodies need more calories, but which came first, the bigger body needing more calories or the more calories growing the body bigger? When and why does it start? These questions, this is called science. Asking questions and looking for answers, that may or may not fit with what you might be expecting. (Doesn't sound like you're curious about this. That's fine, you don't have to be. Other people are. But you don't have to denigrate the investigation. Just leave it to others.)

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

I'm not sure why, except that you're so convinced of your own parental superiority, that you think every poster suggesting factors that may contribute to the obesity epidemic has overweight kids?

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who doesn't. But I hope your rants about "culpability" are making you feel better?

Any posters without overweight kids who are nevertheless coming up with these absurd excuses are most likely your typical disingenuous virtue-signalers.

As opposed to, you know, scientists.

I am a scientist. With an understanding of statistics and uncertainty analysis. Many of you are concentrating on the variables that are essentially in the noise and ignoring the glaringly obvious variable (which is clearly the overall number of calories consumed).

No, calories are obvious. But why are kids consuming more calories now? Bigger bodies need more calories, but which came first, the bigger body needing more calories or the more calories growing the body bigger? When and why does it start? These questions, this is called science. Asking questions and looking for answers, that may or may not fit with what you might be expecting. (Doesn't sound like you're curious about this. That's fine, you don't have to be. Other people are. But you don't have to denigrate the investigation. Just leave it to others.)

DP but are you drunk or something at 10 in the morning? LOL at now coming up with “bigger bodies” - you have blamed everything (trauma, abuse, endocrine disrupters, hormones, antibiotics, BIGGER BODIES!) imaginable other than you know, basic nutrition. The CDC growth chart has literally never changed since its inception. Kids are bigger and fatter because you’re feeding them wrong. This does not require deep science, but it’s there for morons like you.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

I'm not sure why, except that you're so convinced of your own parental superiority, that you think every poster suggesting factors that may contribute to the obesity epidemic has overweight kids?

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who doesn't. But I hope your rants about "culpability" are making you feel better?

Any posters without overweight kids who are nevertheless coming up with these absurd excuses are most likely your typical disingenuous virtue-signalers.

As opposed to, you know, scientists.

I am a scientist. With an understanding of statistics and uncertainty analysis. Many of you are concentrating on the variables that are essentially in the noise and ignoring the glaringly obvious variable (which is clearly the overall number of calories consumed).

I agree with PP. Plenty of reputable health sites say hormones and genetics can be causes of childhood obesity. But many experts do agree that the main cause is overeating and leading a sedentary lifestyle. Think about how much screen time kids get these days, as one example.

This is an anecdote, but we can eat mostly anything that we prepare at home, as long as we stick to 3 meals a day with 1 or no snacks. I def notice when I skip meals and start snacking, or start ordering out more, my weight creeps up. If I cook it at home, anything seems to be fine to eat.

I do know a few overweight kids and they overeat quite a bit. I have seen an obese 5 year old be portioned 4 pieces of pizza for dinner by a grandparent. I see kids at the park walking around with containers of Pringles and big bags of candy. I feel like all of the excuses on this thread make it feel so hopeless for the next generation to maintain their health, when the answers are actually much simpler for the vast majority of people (not everyone, but most people).

I don't think looking for crazy answers is what's going to help most people.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

It is well known, and considered a feature rather than a big, that antibiotics in agricultural use increases the size of animals. Antibiotics are routinely used prophylactically as a precaution and to make up for poor living conditions, and as a bonus, the animals are larger, making them more profitable. Win win. After the animals are slaughtered, those antibiotics remain and are then consumed by people, including children.

The antibiotics probably work to increase size by altering the gut biome but it isn't well studied because no one cares that much.

Children are given antibiotics from birth and throughout childhood for a variety of reasons. But even those who never take antibiotics are still consuming them every day.

Even if this were true, it doesn't explain why all of the thin kids and adults who still eat all of this stuff are thin. So, it's not this.

This is really really basic: different environmental factors impact people differently based on their genes and the combination of exposures and experiences they have had. This is stuff you could learn with less than an hour of research required.

Yes - it has nothing to do with diet or exercise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

I'm not sure why, except that you're so convinced of your own parental superiority, that you think every poster suggesting factors that may contribute to the obesity epidemic has overweight kids?

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who doesn't. But I hope your rants about "culpability" are making you feel better?

Any posters without overweight kids who are nevertheless coming up with these absurd excuses are most likely your typical disingenuous virtue-signalers.

As opposed to, you know, scientists.

I am a scientist. With an understanding of statistics and uncertainty analysis. Many of you are concentrating on the variables that are essentially in the noise and ignoring the glaringly obvious variable (which is clearly the overall number of calories consumed).

I agree with PP. Plenty of reputable health sites say hormones and genetics can be causes of childhood obesity. But many experts do agree that the main cause is overeating and leading a sedentary lifestyle. Think about how much screen time kids get these days, as one example.

This is an anecdote, but we can eat mostly anything that we prepare at home, as long as we stick to 3 meals a day with 1 or no snacks. I def notice when I skip meals and start snacking, or start ordering out more, my weight creeps up. If I cook it at home, anything seems to be fine to eat.

I do know a few overweight kids and they overeat quite a bit. I have seen an obese 5 year old be portioned 4 pieces of pizza for dinner by a grandparent. I see kids at the park walking around with containers of Pringles and big bags of candy. I feel like all of the excuses on this thread make it feel so hopeless for the next generation to maintain their health, when the answers are actually much simpler for the vast majority of people (not everyone, but most people).

I don't think looking for crazy answers is what's going to help most people.

This is where I disagree. It is like anything where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Very worthy of attention. And no one is asking for a pass from accountability. they are pointing out the ineffectiveness of shaming and blaming. When people are shamed for their weight, it leads to increased weight, not the opposite. Shaming parents does not achieve anything either.

Additionally, it is not “simple” to remove processed foods and lack of activity from our culture. So it is not like everyone is missing some easy fix on a population level.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

It is well known, and considered a feature rather than a big, that antibiotics in agricultural use increases the size of animals. Antibiotics are routinely used prophylactically as a precaution and to make up for poor living conditions, and as a bonus, the animals are larger, making them more profitable. Win win. After the animals are slaughtered, those antibiotics remain and are then consumed by people, including children.

The antibiotics probably work to increase size by altering the gut biome but it isn't well studied because no one cares that much.

Children are given antibiotics from birth and throughout childhood for a variety of reasons. But even those who never take antibiotics are still consuming them every day.

Even if this were true, it doesn't explain why all of the thin kids and adults who still eat all of this stuff are thin. So, it's not this.

This is really really basic: different environmental factors impact people differently based on their genes and the combination of exposures and experiences they have had. This is stuff you could learn with less than an hour of research required.

Yes - it has nothing to do with diet or exercise.

I don't think anyone has said it has nothing to do with diet or exercise. They're pointing out that those aren't the ONLY issues. People are trying to reduce this to a single thing they can cast blame (and pat themselves on the back) for.

So, congrats, I guess?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

I'm not sure why, except that you're so convinced of your own parental superiority, that you think every poster suggesting factors that may contribute to the obesity epidemic has overweight kids?

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who doesn't. But I hope your rants about "culpability" are making you feel better?

Any posters without overweight kids who are nevertheless coming up with these absurd excuses are most likely your typical disingenuous virtue-signalers.

As opposed to, you know, scientists.

I am a scientist. With an understanding of statistics and uncertainty analysis. Many of you are concentrating on the variables that are essentially in the noise and ignoring the glaringly obvious variable (which is clearly the overall number of calories consumed).

I agree with PP. Plenty of reputable health sites say hormones and genetics can be causes of childhood obesity. But many experts do agree that the main cause is overeating and leading a sedentary lifestyle. Think about how much screen time kids get these days, as one example.

This is an anecdote, but we can eat mostly anything that we prepare at home, as long as we stick to 3 meals a day with 1 or no snacks. I def notice when I skip meals and start snacking, or start ordering out more, my weight creeps up. If I cook it at home, anything seems to be fine to eat.

I do know a few overweight kids and they overeat quite a bit. I have seen an obese 5 year old be portioned 4 pieces of pizza for dinner by a grandparent. I see kids at the park walking around with containers of Pringles and big bags of candy. I feel like all of the excuses on this thread make it feel so hopeless for the next generation to maintain their health, when the answers are actually much simpler for the vast majority of people (not everyone, but most people).

I don't think looking for crazy answers is what's going to help most people.

This is where I disagree. It is like anything where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Very worthy of attention. And no one is asking for a pass from accountability. they are pointing out the ineffectiveness of shaming and blaming. When people are shamed for their weight, it leads to increased weight, not the opposite. Shaming parents does not achieve anything either.

Additionally, it is not “simple” to remove processed foods and lack of activity from our culture. So it is not like everyone is missing some easy fix on a population level.

I don't think anyone should be shamed- I totally agree with you. I think if processed food is decreased in our food supply, it will have to be through government regulation. "Eat less, move more" hasn't been effective. All I'm saying is that if people were able to follow that advice, it would work. I agree it's not easy to do with all of the convenience and processed foods around. I also think the work schedules and professions of many people aren't supportive of proper exercise.

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I don't even know who is on which side any more. I am thankful that what we are doing is working for our family (eating traditional homemade foods at roughly traditional mealtimes, minimizing snacking and fast food, but not eating "clean") but if it were not, I cannot imagine just throwing my hands up and arguing due to outside factors there was nothing I could do about it.

Brainstorming for possible causes and solutions somehow seems to be equal to "shaming" now. Trying to understand is not shaming.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

+1

Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

I'm not sure why, except that you're so convinced of your own parental superiority, that you think every poster suggesting factors that may contribute to the obesity epidemic has overweight kids?

Pretty sure I'm not the only one who doesn't. But I hope your rants about "culpability" are making you feel better?

Any posters without overweight kids who are nevertheless coming up with these absurd excuses are most likely your typical disingenuous virtue-signalers.

As opposed to, you know, scientists.

I am a scientist. With an understanding of statistics and uncertainty analysis. Many of you are concentrating on the variables that are essentially in the noise and ignoring the glaringly obvious variable (which is clearly the overall number of calories consumed).

I agree with PP. Plenty of reputable health sites say hormones and genetics can be causes of childhood obesity. But many experts do agree that the main cause is overeating and leading a sedentary lifestyle. Think about how much screen time kids get these days, as one example.

This is an anecdote, but we can eat mostly anything that we prepare at home, as long as we stick to 3 meals a day with 1 or no snacks. I def notice when I skip meals and start snacking, or start ordering out more, my weight creeps up. If I cook it at home, anything seems to be fine to eat.

I do know a few overweight kids and they overeat quite a bit. I have seen an obese 5 year old be portioned 4 pieces of pizza for dinner by a grandparent. I see kids at the park walking around with containers of Pringles and big bags of candy. I feel like all of the excuses on this thread make it feel so hopeless for the next generation to maintain their health, when the answers are actually much simpler for the vast majority of people (not everyone, but most people).

I don't think looking for crazy answers is what's going to help most people.

Sure, but if you gave most kids 4 slices of pizza at a party, most would eat a couple and then leave the rest and go play. It would be wasteful. Why does that child eat 4 slices when others wouldn't?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is off the rails. It was answered early on that we have many environmental factors disrupting our endocrine systems nowadays. People are more interested in touting their virtue and ability to cook wholesome meals at any budget.

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Wholesome meals are nice but they, or their lack, aren't the reason that some kids are skinny and some kids are thick. It's partly genetics and food abundance (or a coping mechanism for abuse) but it's mostly an endocrine/metabolism issue caused by environmental factors, particularly pervasive antibiotics but also microplastics and probably others.

Agree and also, trauma and stress are huge determinants.

Holy cow you people are insane, no wonder we have the obesity epidemic we do. No, the average overweight elementary-aged kid has not been exposed to enough trauma, abuse, or “endocrine disrupters” in their 8 short years to cause their obesity. It’s the parents. Clearly! As evidenced by this thread.

Endocrine disrupters are everywhere. But the solution is the same (clean diet, minimize exposure generally).

Find me a study that endocrine disrupters are the cause of an entire very recent and new generation of childhood obesity. No one is denying they’re real, you are however vastly vastly overstating their impacts on children in an attempt to…what? Reduce your culpability as a parent? Shameful

It is well known, and considered a feature rather than a big, that antibiotics in agricultural use increases the size of animals. Antibiotics are routinely used prophylactically as a precaution and to make up for poor living conditions, and as a bonus, the animals are larger, making them more profitable. Win win. After the animals are slaughtered, those antibiotics remain and are then consumed by people, including children.

The antibiotics probably work to increase size by altering the gut biome but it isn't well studied because no one cares that much.

Children are given antibiotics from birth and throughout childhood for a variety of reasons. But even those who never take antibiotics are still consuming them every day.

Even if this were true, it doesn't explain why all of the thin kids and adults who still eat all of this stuff are thin. So, it's not this.

This is really really basic: different environmental factors impact people differently based on their genes and the combination of exposures and experiences they have had. This is stuff you could learn with less than an hour of research required.

Yes - it has nothing to do with diet or exercise.

I don't think anyone has said it has nothing to do with diet or exercise. They're pointing out that those aren't the ONLY issues. People are trying to reduce this to a single thing they can cast blame (and pat themselves on the back) for.

So, congrats, I guess?

In the example above, don't you think it's wrong to give a toddler a big can of Pringle's to carry around the park?