NYT and WaPo report Biden is close to stepping down

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

Black women are the backbone of the Democratic party. I think it would be a big mistake.

I think the big mistake is only voting for someone because they are the same race as you are.

Some would call that racism.

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Anonymous wrote:In 2016, Democrats rigged the super delegate process in their primary to stop Bernie Sanders.

In 2024, they wouldn’t allow debates. Biden won the primary.

Now Biden is being forced out before the convention. Rich donors will select a new candidate.

The party of democracy.

Exactly this. Why can’t more people see this???!

Oh many of us do

Honest question for you and the other “many”. Are you going to vote Trump? In deep contemplation, I have been intently watching this party and I have come to the conclusion that I can’t vote for them. I certainly can’t vote Democrat given what we’ve identified above. I have been mulling this for months. For this first time ever, I probably just won’t vote.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In 2016, Democrats rigged the super delegate process in their primary to stop Bernie Sanders.

In 2024, they wouldn’t allow debates. Biden won the primary.

Now Biden is being forced out before the convention. Rich donors will select a new candidate.

The party of democracy.

Exactly this. Why can’t more people see this???!

Oh many of us do

Honest question for you and the other “many”. Are you going to vote Trump? In deep contemplation, I have been intently watching this party and I have come to the conclusion that I can’t vote for them. I certainly can’t vote Democrat given what we’ve identified above. I have been mulling this for months. For this first time ever, I probably just won’t vote.

Why not vote Green party rather than mot vote at all?

[Anonymous]

Biden won his primary fair and square and now party elites want him to undemocratically step down. This is a coup, folks. Respect the will of the people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Biden won his primary fair and square and now party elites want him to undemocratically step down. This is a coup, folks. Respect the will of the people

That's not what "coup" means. Maybe this explains why there is so much confusion about what J6 was. People don't know what words mean anymore.

[Anonymous]

Democrat party will pick an unelected nominee.

So instead of listening to their voters, they will cram down our throats whoever the party elites think should be president. That sounds undemocratic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looking at Trump last night, why should Biden step down?

The double standard here is insane.

Exactly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Couldn't even make it to the election before getting KO'd by Trump lol. Sad!

In this case, Biden KO'd himself. Had nothing to do with Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Biden won his primary fair and square and now party elites want him to undemocratically step down. This is a coup, folks. Respect the will of the people

This was before it was apparent that his mental faculties have seriously declined. Even ordinary people are saying he should step down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2016, Democrats rigged the super delegate process in their primary to stop Bernie Sanders.

In 2024, they wouldn’t allow debates. Biden won the primary.

Now Biden is being forced out before the convention. Rich donors will select a new candidate.

The party of democracy.

Exactly this. Why can’t more people see this???!

Oh many of us do

Honest question for you and the other “many”. Are you going to vote Trump? In deep contemplation, I have been intently watching this party and I have come to the conclusion that I can’t vote for them. I certainly can’t vote Democrat given what we’ve identified above. I have been mulling this for months. For this first time ever, I probably just won’t vote.

Why not vote Green party rather than mot vote at all?

When Jill Stein showed up in Moscow it was plain to see the Green Party had been hijacked and was just another Putin proxy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2016, Democrats rigged the super delegate process in their primary to stop Bernie Sanders.

In 2024, they wouldn’t allow debates. Biden won the primary.

Now Biden is being forced out before the convention. Rich donors will select a new candidate.

The party of democracy.

Exactly this. Why can’t more people see this???!

Oh many of us do

Honest question for you and the other “many”. Are you going to vote Trump? In deep contemplation, I have been intently watching this party and I have come to the conclusion that I can’t vote for them. I certainly can’t vote Democrat given what we’ve identified above. I have been mulling this for months. For this first time ever, I probably just won’t vote.

Because Trump is way worse. If you don't vote, especially in swing states, you are basically allowing Trump to win.

-Independent, former R

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that today is the day to ask yourself/ am I truly an ally to women of color?

Are you going to push Kamala out of line for a white woman or a gay white man?

It is a dilemma.

It's only a dilemma when there's a good solution available. And there isn't one here. Kamala Harris is not Michelle Obama. She is not a woman of color that the vast majority of the country respects and likes. Biden said he'd only select a woman of color as VP in 2020. She has always been the DEI candidate, and has done absolutely nothing over the past four years to distinguish herself from that albatross.

If the elite of the Democratic Party are going to replace the President, winnability should be the only metric. The DEI candidate that is "owed" the position is not going to fly in 2024. She will lose even worse than Biden. And yet, if the Democratic elite pass over the woman of color for some white candidate, there will be civil war within the Democratic Party and they are still going to lose.

So it's not a dilemma. There is no solution this year. Biden and his allies destroyed the Democratic Party. A new generation will have to pick up the pieces in 2028.

….or, hear me out, Dems quit their bedwetting party and rally behind their sitting President. You can already see the circular firing squad preparing for the open floor convention.

Biden has done nothing to rally his party behind him, and that’s his whole job. His debate performance was truly terrifying and before that he spent the spring/summer losing the youth and Muslim vote in Michigan.

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee, because I have a daughter, but “democrats should rally” is a disrespectful point which undermines the deep dissatisfaction many felt even before the debates.

+1 Democrats (including myself here and I love Biden) have been frustrated for a year as the economy has continued improving, jobs including manufacturing jobs have been increasing, wages are up, crime has been falling and Trump is scaring the bejesus out of everyone BUT none of those messages have been getting through. And Biden could have fixed the debate debacle if he called into the morning shows the next day and scheduled a press conference and/or a live interview for the following evening. The candidate performed terribly at the debate but it was the candidate and the campaign that reacted slowly and lazily to fix the reaction to the debate. That showed everyone who was concerned about the messages not getting out exactly why they weren’t.

? Huh? That was the whole point of the “big boy conference” - to reset and show his strength. But it miserably failed.

The Stephanopoulous interview was more than a week after the debate. The press conference was IIRC another week after that. That let the incompetent debate talk drag on and on and left people like me wondering why he didn’t/couldn’t react immediately to quell it. And yes there was one big gaffe at the beginning but other than that (I know, Mrs. Lincoln at the play and all) it was fine. But if he was willing and/or capable, he could have scheduled those things much sooner. Any network would have jumped at the chance to do a town hall, for example.

DP. I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that you wish Biden were 20 years younger and quick-thinking, to act quickly and decisively after a bad debate? Are you saying that you don't believe that he is suffering from something may not be dementia but looks very much like it? Are you saying he should stay on another 4 years? Or that he shouldn't?

I do not think he has dementia. While I think he has been a great president, he’s in a defensive crouch and resents anyone suggesting that he’s not the best presidential candidate, which is a different job. There had to be people telling him (and if there weren’t there should have been) that he needed to get back up on the horse immediately after the debate to prove it was just a bad night. Call into Morning Joe the next day! Schedule a press conference that afternoon! Hell, if he had just come out during the debate first thing and said “I have a cold but that’s not going to keep me from telling America what I plan to do” or something like that, how much better would it have been? And yes, of course I wish he were 20 years younger but that’s not happening. I’m not sure he would have been picked for VP if he were 20 years younger.

I feel the same way. Biden is old, he's slower and arthritic, but he does not have Parkinsons as people keep claiming. He does not have the tremors or the small, cramped handwriting or any of the other early signs of Parkinsons, none whatsoever. People are trying to railroad him with false diagnoses that he does not meet the criteria for. Sure I wish he were younger and more spry, but the constant lying and railroading that Dems are doing is becoming frustrating. And why are they in such a hurry to remove him, when they don't even have a coherent slate to replace him with? Where is there any poll showing "Harris as Pres and X as VP vs Trump" or "Y as Pres and Harris as VP vs Trump" or "A and Z vs Trump?" Dems are completely incoherent with this whole strategy.

Meanwhile I keep thinking back to Biden's recent NATO press conference, where for an hour he gave lengthy, very detailed, thoughtful, informed and nuanced answers to difficult policy questions, unscripted, and without a teleprompter. Trump would not be able to do that. Not at all. Trump doesn't read the briefings, he doesn't know the material, he would just ramble and give the same old vague and hyperbolic comments about how things will be "tremendous" and like people "have never seen before" and yadda yadda yadda - no finer details, all based on hyperbole and with only a thin grasp if any at all of the subject matter. And NOBODY in the media wants to talk about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Biden won his primary fair and square and now party elites want him to undemocratically step down. This is a coup, folks. Respect the will of the people

The nomination is neither a coronation nor a conscription. Biden can— and should— asses his fitness to run, ability to win, and capacity to lead before accepting his party’s nomination.

A messy conversation should happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biden won his primary fair and square and now party elites want him to undemocratically step down. This is a coup, folks. Respect the will of the people

The nomination is neither a coronation nor a conscription. Biden can— and should— asses his fitness to run, ability to win, and capacity to lead before accepting his party’s nomination.

A messy conversation should happen.

Yes. He was chosen in the first place to beat Biden in the swing states. If he can no longer do that, there is no point to a campaign that can't win the swing states. They decide everything.

Are we ready to elect a woman yet? I sure hope so. Trump was so so bad the first time around that it may be possible this time. Plus the coup attempt and destruction of roe have driven away more voters from trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2016, Democrats rigged the super delegate process in their primary to stop Bernie Sanders.

In 2024, they wouldn’t allow debates. Biden won the primary.

Now Biden is being forced out before the convention. Rich donors will select a new candidate.

The party of democracy.

Exactly this. Why can’t more people see this???!

Oh many of us do

Honest question for you and the other “many”. Are you going to vote Trump? In deep contemplation, I have been intently watching this party and I have come to the conclusion that I can’t vote for them. I certainly can’t vote Democrat given what we’ve identified above. I have been mulling this for months. For this first time ever, I probably just won’t vote.

Because Trump is way worse. If you don't vote, especially in swing states, you are basically allowing Trump to win.

-Independent, former R

I am an independent, former D. Given how extreme both sides have become, it seems it’s really time for a moderate 3rd party. I also think we are here, with each side’s extreme having the fuel to rule, because of Citizens United. That was the worst thing to ever happen to our political system.