anyone know about the "Virginia Valor Fathers Day Fiesta" or the "FPYC Fathers Day Tournament"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have never seen a soccer tournament with "high school boys" as a category, where have you all seen this done?

Its not done. For obvious reasons. Can you imagine the travel parents on here paying for a tournament and showing up and little 8th grade Larlo is playing a team of 19 year olds? They think they can get away with this with rec kids. Whoever said the theme is contempt got it right.

"Play the games" guy...obviously works for Valor.

I'm a referee. I work for Sharon and Tarey and Jesse and other assignors in the area.

And I work for Soccer America.

Interesting. Want to ref a game of high school senior "all stars" playing a middle school rec team?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For REC, this would be teams with players born in 2005 playing teams with kids born in 2008. So kids graduating high school against kids who just finished 8th grade.

(That link looked like U17 and U16 combined, no U18s or U19s). Are there tournaments that combine 2005s with 2008s?

I think you are calculating wrong. My 2010 just finished 8th grade. The late fall 2010s just finished 7th

You're right. My 2006 just graduated. The late fall 2006s just finished 11th.

So yeah -- I get the concern, and I'm not a fan of having HS seniors and freshmen playing together, but I think the critics are bending the truth just a hair here.

[Anonymous]

Fall 2005s are high school seniors and playing U19.
Fall 2009s are 8th graders playing U16.
What's bending the truth?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have never seen a soccer tournament with "high school boys" as a category, where have you all seen this done?

Its not done. For obvious reasons. Can you imagine the travel parents on here paying for a tournament and showing up and little 8th grade Larlo is playing a team of 19 year olds? They think they can get away with this with rec kids. Whoever said the theme is contempt got it right.

"Play the games" guy...obviously works for Valor.

I'm a referee. I work for Sharon and Tarey and Jesse and other assignors in the area.

And I work for Soccer America.

Interesting. Want to ref a game of high school senior "all stars" playing a middle school rec team?

We've established that this isn't quite the case.

But I haven't signed up for the Valor tournament, anyway. And to be fair, I've seen U16s play U19s at rec level and wasn't a fan of it. It wasn't a bloodbath with a bunch of injuries -- if anything, the U19s gave the U16s a bit more space than they'd give older kids -- but the scores weren't competitive, of course. The occasional high school freshman can make the varsity, but that freshman generally isn't playing rec.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have never seen a soccer tournament with "high school boys" as a category, where have you all seen this done?

Its not done. For obvious reasons. Can you imagine the travel parents on here paying for a tournament and showing up and little 8th grade Larlo is playing a team of 19 year olds? They think they can get away with this with rec kids. Whoever said the theme is contempt got it right.

"Play the games" guy...obviously works for Valor.

I'm a referee. I work for Sharon and Tarey and Jesse and other assignors in the area.

And I work for Soccer America.

Interesting. Want to ref a game of high school senior "all stars" playing a middle school rec team?

We've established that this isn't quite the case.

But I haven't signed up for the Valor tournament, anyway. And to be fair, I've seen U16s play U19s at rec level and wasn't a fan of it. It wasn't a bloodbath with a bunch of injuries -- if anything, the U19s gave the U16s a bit more space than they'd give older kids -- but the scores weren't competitive, of course. The occasional high school freshman can make the varsity, but that freshman generally isn't playing rec.

how so?

[Anonymous]

This tournament has all-U19 teams playing all- U16 teams. That will be at least some seniors playing at least some middle schoolers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fall 2005s are high school seniors and playing U19.
Fall 2009s are 8th graders playing U16.
What's bending the truth?

2009 minus 2005 equals four.

19 minus 16 equals three.

https://prod-assets.demosphere-secure.com/_deimos/_public_files/017vup4yzkkr9/rec/VSA%20Age%20guidelines.pdf?CacheKey=1690831283

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fall 2005s are high school seniors and playing U19.
Fall 2009s are 8th graders playing U16.
What's bending the truth?

2009 minus 2005 equals four.

19 minus 16 equals three.

https://prod-assets.demosphere-secure.com/_deimos/_public_files/017vup4yzkkr9/rec/VSA%20Age%20guidelines.pdf?CacheKey=1690831283

Are you drunk?

[Anonymous]

Rec age groups are different. 2005s play U19.

https://www.sflsoccer.org/age-groups/

[Anonymous]

(Shouldn't a referee know the correct age groups for roster checks?)

[Anonymous]

No one checks rosters at rec games so probably not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rec age groups are different. 2005s play U19.

https://www.sflsoccer.org/age-groups/

SFL doesn't exist any more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one checks rosters at rec games so probably not.

*Sometimes*.

Especially when we show up at a field and see dudes with brand-new travel-team backpacks asking their coaches for a jersey.

Yeah, it happens. Only so much anyone can do to police it, though. Maybe when we have on-the-spot DNA tests we can check against game rosters on our iPhone 27 apps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rec age groups are different. 2005s play U19.

https://www.sflsoccer.org/age-groups/

SFL doesn't exist any more.

Yes, and the NCSL - rec league adopted their policies including their age cutoffs for school year continuity. Do you have a point?

Lots of 2005s--HS seniors-- playing in rec U19 this spring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rec age groups are different. 2005s play U19.

https://www.sflsoccer.org/age-groups/

SFL doesn't exist any more.

Yes, and the NCSL - rec league adopted their policies including their age cutoffs for school year continuity. Do you have a point?

Lots of 2005s--HS seniors-- playing in rec U19 this spring.

Are you saying the NCSL-rec league has U16 teams that span two years? Fine, but then a physically slight, slow and unskilled eighth-grader would be unlikely to make an All-Star team, right?

I could see the point *if* a U16 coach with a bunch of young U15s decided to enter a rec team in an All-Star tournament with no alterations. But that's probably on the coach.

Basic issue here -- don't be too sure that "Club Name White" or "Club Name Coach Name" is the same team you're seeing in NCSL-rec or wherever. Clubs reuse those names for everything. You could face an "Arlington White" team that was assigned "White" as one of several NCSL-rec teams or "White" as one of a couple of All-Star teams. Or maybe there's a coach named "White."

If it's *your* team, OK.

So it really seems like less of a tournament issue and more of a "what has my coach/club entered us into?" question.

That said, it seems like the clubs that have tried to challenge FPYC for the Father's Day All-Star dollar have come up a day late and a dollar short. Remember the VYS tournament?

(And Vienna apparently hasn't gone back to doing a full-fledged across-the-board entry into FPYC. They've entered just one team in each of the older boys and girls age groups -- U16B, U16G, U19B, U19G. Meanwhile, Lee Mount Vernon has four NCSL teams and has entered four teams in the FPYC tournament.)