Do great students sometimes get shut out?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

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Anonymous wrote:Shut out of top, but fallback was UT-Austin in state auto admit. They were good only bc they had a strong safety.

person 1 - 1600 SAT, rank 1 out of 600+, rejected all ivies, lots of AP, stanford, michigan, duke, chicago, northwestern, varsity sport

person 2 - 1580 SAT, top 5%, lots of AP, varsity sport, rejected UVA, UNC, Duke.

Have a good safety!

Should have mentioned - both were rejected everywhere but their safety

same for my high stats magnet kid. It was rough.

I always told my high stat magnet kid - be a MIT worthy kid who goes to UMD. And that's what happened. Did he apply to MIT? Heck, yes!! Harvard? Never. UMD - Absolutely!! Was it rough? Not at all. The money that UMD gave him and the money he saved by not going to MIT helped him to invest in the stock market. He is already ahead.

We're seeing more and more of those types there. And further, we're seeing a lot of actual MIT (along w/Stanford, Berkeley and a few others) undergrad alums choosing to do their grad work at UMD. Pretty cool.

One reason could be that MIT undergrads are not chosen for MIT grad school. At MIT, a student can only be for 5 years. No more. So, a student can either get an undergrad education or a PhD. Not both (unless you complete both in 5 years).

I don't know where you go this information, but twenty years ago -- when I did my PhD -- it was not true.

It is extremely rare and almost frowned upon for someone to do all 3 degrees at one university.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

Because it doesn't make sense to begin with. So what if a student admitted to Michigan chooses HYPSM? They decline Michigan and someone else takes their place. Yield does not suffer.

(full disclosure, I'm the OP of this thread)

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

+1

Michigan 100% yield protects. They certify that they do! In CDS demonstrated interest field.

6 students with HYPSM admits were deferred at Michigan, including my child. We did not bother submitting LOCI and I dont think any of the others did as well, since Michigan is like 4th or 5th choice at this point.

Of course we did not know child would be lucky and the essays were of same quality as for T15 privates.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

Because it doesn't make sense to begin with. So what if a student admitted to Michigan chooses HYPSM? They decline Michigan and someone else takes their place. Yield does not suffer.

(full disclosure, I'm the OP of this thread)

Huh? Don't those declines hurt the yield number?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

Because it doesn't make sense to begin with. So what if a student admitted to Michigan chooses HYPSM? They decline Michigan and someone else takes their place. Yield does not suffer.

(full disclosure, I'm the OP of this thread)

Huh? Don't those declines hurt the yield number?

Not if they're replaced by someone else?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

Because it doesn't make sense to begin with. So what if a student admitted to Michigan chooses HYPSM? They decline Michigan and someone else takes their place. Yield does not suffer.

(full disclosure, I'm the OP of this thread)

Your understanding of yield is wrong. That is not how yield is calculated.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

Because it doesn't make sense to begin with. So what if a student admitted to Michigan chooses HYPSM? They decline Michigan and someone else takes their place. Yield does not suffer.

(full disclosure, I'm the OP of this thread)

Huh? Don't those declines hurt the yield number?

Not if they're replaced by someone else?

If colleges calculate your way, every top 200 college would have 100% yield!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

+1

Michigan 100% yield protects. They certify that they do! In CDS demonstrated interest field.

6 students with HYPSM admits were deferred at Michigan, including my child. We did not bother submitting LOCI and I dont think any of the others did as well, since Michigan is like 4th or 5th choice at this point.

Of course we did not know child would be lucky and the essays were of same quality as for T15 privates.

Then how on earth is anyone supposed to get into....well, let's not call it a safety, since Michigan is not, but how is anyone supposed to play it safe by applying to schools they're overqualified for?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

Because it doesn't make sense to begin with. So what if a student admitted to Michigan chooses HYPSM? They decline Michigan and someone else takes their place. Yield does not suffer.

(full disclosure, I'm the OP of this thread)

Your understanding of yield is wrong. That is not how yield is calculated.

Ok, yeah, I get it now. But as long as they're filling a freshman class, and they always do, who cares who declines?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but students do get rejected from safeties who rejected 90%+.

I see this happening to my niece. Rejected at some true safety schools as part of yield protection. And she didn't show enough interest. So you need to be careful. My take is make sure some of your safeties are the big schools who care less about this.

Get over the yield protection thing. How many times do have to tell you that public schools (which generally includes high admission rate schools) DO NOT yield protect?

You are wrong, esp. in regards to OOS students. Michigan and Georgia Tech are two prime examples.

Your argument doesn't make sense. Why would either yield protect? Kids aren't exactly overqualified for either. This is nothing more than trying to justify a rejection.

How else do you explain how a lot of applicants from my kids' top tier private with SCEA admits to HYMPS are deferred, while their slightly-less qualified classmates are accepted EA to Michigan? The data on GT, I'll admit, are thin. The pattern at Michigan is clear though.

+1

Michigan 100% yield protects. They certify that they do! In CDS demonstrated interest field.

6 students with HYPSM admits were deferred at Michigan, including my child. We did not bother submitting LOCI and I dont think any of the others did as well, since Michigan is like 4th or 5th choice at this point.

Of course we did not know child would be lucky and the essays were of same quality as for T15 privates.

Then how on earth is anyone supposed to get into....well, let's not call it a safety, since Michigan is not, but how is anyone supposed to play it safe by applying to schools they're overqualified for?

NP - even if Michigan yield protects, it is in the minority of state schools. UMD yield for example is 23%.

[Anonymous]

UChicago definitely yield protects.

[Anonymous]

UChicago has the worst admissions process, hands down.