Can I sue Callie Oettinger?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a shame if someone doxxed her. Give her a taste of her own medicine.

How do you dox someone who is already public? She posts everything under her own name. We know who she is.

Doxxing includes posting someone’s address/phone number. She’s ok with someone on DCUM post that info?

You mean posting here publicly available information? Still not doxxing, everyone knows her name and can google.

Probably a good way to get yourself banned from this site tho.

Question - how does everyone know it's Callie? Did the letters say who the information was disclosed to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sue any and everyone. But also lobby for a state law that prevents publishing private medical information that was mistakenly provided.

We are where we are because a judge ruled Callie and that other woman can legally publish private medical records. There is no benefit to the public by making these private medical records public.

Callie is a horrible person for doing this and it’s insane we need to legislate common sense. But here we are.

Not true. What she did was criminal.

Nope. That is not what the court ruling said.

But it might work out differently for a class action civil suit by parents. Because what she did was wrong.

You really are foolish. I'm not of friend of Callie's and I don't completely understand what went on but I see you are misrepresenting what she did with the data. If I were her and you said I was sharing that info when I was not, I would sue you.

She shared it with a journalist and she gave thumb drives of the data to the Goldwater Institute. She admits to both of those things. She has redacted examples on her website and the journalist has redacted images posted. That's enough for the claim. A good discovery process might find she shared it with others and that some of what she has posted constitutes sharing--even if she says she doesn't.

What law prevents her from doing that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She wrongfully published my child’s personal health information.

I believe I cannot sue FCPS.

You can file a complaint against FCPS for a violation of a law called FERPA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And a lawsuit would cause Callie to have to spend money and time defending herself. Works for me. She wastes taxpayer money with her constant attacks on FCPS and she should get some of what she gives.

Please go on record and say you’re suing her to force her to spend money on legal fees and to drain the coffers of the Goldwater group. I would pay good money to be in the courtroom that day. That would be more exciting than a Taylor Swift concert. Please do it. Please.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sue any and everyone. But also lobby for a state law that prevents publishing private medical information that was mistakenly provided.

We are where we are because a judge ruled Callie and that other woman can legally publish private medical records. There is no benefit to the public by making these private medical records public.

Callie is a horrible person for doing this and it’s insane we need to legislate common sense. But here we are.

Not true. What she did was criminal.

Nope. That is not what the court ruling said.

But it might work out differently for a class action civil suit by parents. Because what she did was wrong.

You really are foolish. I'm not of friend of Callie's and I don't completely understand what went on but I see you are misrepresenting what she did with the data. If I were her and you said I was sharing that info when I was not, I would sue you.

She shared it with a journalist and she gave thumb drives of the data to the Goldwater Institute. She admits to both of those things. She has redacted examples on her website and the journalist has redacted images posted. That's enough for the claim. A good discovery process might find she shared it with others and that some of what she has posted constitutes sharing--even if she says she doesn't.

What law prevents her from doing that?

That's what parents should to talk with lawyers to find out (or for parents among the group to consider) When I say "that's enough for the claim" it means she doesn't have grounds to complain that others are saying wrong things about her. If it turns out after expert consultation that there is no law against this, then people need to publicly advocate for one and consistently use her as a prime example of horrible behavior of taking, keeping and sharing private sensitive data that still is somehow legal. If there aren't legal concerns, perhaps the bad publicity surrounding doing such acts will be a deterrence to others. But what I know for sure is that parents should NOT use your consistent curt badgering about 'no laws' as evidence that they have no possible directions to pursue when any reasonable person knows what she did with all our information is wrong. There may be ways in the court, there may be advocacy ways outside the court. I'm not talking about doxxing or protesting or whatnot--just regularly holding a light to her behavior and actions in every advocacy action for better laws in the FOIA process--and more consequences for what people who "inadvertently" get private data need to do with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sue any and everyone. But also lobby for a state law that prevents publishing private medical information that was mistakenly provided.

We are where we are because a judge ruled Callie and that other woman can legally publish private medical records. There is no benefit to the public by making these private medical records public.

Callie is a horrible person for doing this and it’s insane we need to legislate common sense. But here we are.

Not true. What she did was criminal.

Nope. That is not what the court ruling said.

But it might work out differently for a class action civil suit by parents. Because what she did was wrong.

You really are foolish. I'm not of friend of Callie's and I don't completely understand what went on but I see you are misrepresenting what she did with the data. If I were her and you said I was sharing that info when I was not, I would sue you.

She shared it with a journalist and she gave thumb drives of the data to the Goldwater Institute. She admits to both of those things. She has redacted examples on her website and the journalist has redacted images posted. That's enough for the claim. A good discovery process might find she shared it with others and that some of what she has posted constitutes sharing--even if she says she doesn't.

What law prevents her from doing that?

That's what parents should to talk with lawyers to find out (or for parents among the group to consider) When I say "that's enough for the claim" it means she doesn't have grounds to complain that others are saying wrong things about her. If it turns out after expert consultation that there is no law against this, then people need to publicly advocate for one and consistently use her as a prime example of horrible behavior of taking, keeping and sharing private sensitive data that still is somehow legal. If there aren't legal concerns, perhaps the bad publicity surrounding doing such acts will be a deterrence to others. But what I know for sure is that parents should NOT use your consistent curt badgering about 'no laws' as evidence that they have no possible directions to pursue when any reasonable person knows what she did with all our information is wrong. There may be ways in the court, there may be advocacy ways outside the court. I'm not talking about doxxing or protesting or whatnot--just regularly holding a light to her behavior and actions in every advocacy action for better laws in the FOIA process--and more consequences for what people who "inadvertently" get private data need to do with it.

She can publicly complain, whine, and defend herself on her website (or any other public forum) that she wants. She doesn’t need “grounds” to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sue any and everyone. But also lobby for a state law that prevents publishing private medical information that was mistakenly provided.

We are where we are because a judge ruled Callie and that other woman can legally publish private medical records. There is no benefit to the public by making these private medical records public.

Callie is a horrible person for doing this and it’s insane we need to legislate common sense. But here we are.

Not true. What she did was criminal.

Nope. That is not what the court ruling said.

But it might work out differently for a class action civil suit by parents. Because what she did was wrong.

You really are foolish. I'm not of friend of Callie's and I don't completely understand what went on but I see you are misrepresenting what she did with the data. If I were her and you said I was sharing that info when I was not, I would sue you.

She shared it with a journalist and she gave thumb drives of the data to the Goldwater Institute. She admits to both of those things. She has redacted examples on her website and the journalist has redacted images posted. That's enough for the claim. A good discovery process might find she shared it with others and that some of what she has posted constitutes sharing--even if she says she doesn't.

Let’s shed some sunlight on her nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sue any and everyone. But also lobby for a state law that prevents publishing private medical information that was mistakenly provided.

We are where we are because a judge ruled Callie and that other woman can legally publish private medical records. There is no benefit to the public by making these private medical records public.

Callie is a horrible person for doing this and it’s insane we need to legislate common sense. But here we are.

Not true. What she did was criminal.

Nope. That is not what the court ruling said.

But it might work out differently for a class action civil suit by parents. Because what she did was wrong.

You really are foolish. I'm not of friend of Callie's and I don't completely understand what went on but I see you are misrepresenting what she did with the data. If I were her and you said I was sharing that info when I was not, I would sue you.

She shared it with a journalist and she gave thumb drives of the data to the Goldwater Institute. She admits to both of those things. She has redacted examples on her website and the journalist has redacted images posted. That's enough for the claim. A good discovery process might find she shared it with others and that some of what she has posted constitutes sharing--even if she says she doesn't.

What law prevents her from doing that?

That's what parents should to talk with lawyers to find out (or for parents among the group to consider) When I say "that's enough for the claim" it means she doesn't have grounds to complain that others are saying wrong things about her. If it turns out after expert consultation that there is no law against this, then people need to publicly advocate for one and consistently use her as a prime example of horrible behavior of taking, keeping and sharing private sensitive data that still is somehow legal. If there aren't legal concerns, perhaps the bad publicity surrounding doing such acts will be a deterrence to others. But what I know for sure is that parents should NOT use your consistent curt badgering about 'no laws' as evidence that they have no possible directions to pursue when any reasonable person knows what she did with all our information is wrong. There may be ways in the court, there may be advocacy ways outside the court. I'm not talking about doxxing or protesting or whatnot--just regularly holding a light to her behavior and actions in every advocacy action for better laws in the FOIA process--and more consequences for what people who "inadvertently" get private data need to do with it.

This would be a great strategy…to use against FCPS. They have a pattern of repeatedly “inadvertently” releasing confidential information to people with no need to know. Then using the court system and “our precious tax dollars” to sue the unintended party to do the work fcps should have done. While I’m no fan of suing myself, fcps is hemorrhaging legal fees because their focus is fixing mistakes instead of preventing them from happening in the first place.

What Callie did was wrong, but probably not illegal. But the fact is she should never have had it. And to play with words and put the burden on others to do the right thing because you can’t be bothered to is ALWAYS a losing strategy.

[Anonymous]

It’s so pathetic this entitled “Karen” has chosen to exploit children to further her personal vendetta. She is not an advocate, she’s just destructive.

I am interested in pursuing legal action. I’m not a lawyer so I have limited knowledge- however I imagine we the parents could form a class action lawsuit.

Has anyone started this process ? How does it work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sue any and everyone. But also lobby for a state law that prevents publishing private medical information that was mistakenly provided.

We are where we are because a judge ruled Callie and that other woman can legally publish private medical records. There is no benefit to the public by making these private medical records public.

Callie is a horrible person for doing this and it’s insane we need to legislate common sense. But here we are.

Not true. What she did was criminal.

Nope. That is not what the court ruling said.

But it might work out differently for a class action civil suit by parents. Because what she did was wrong.

You really are foolish. I'm not of friend of Callie's and I don't completely understand what went on but I see you are misrepresenting what she did with the data. If I were her and you said I was sharing that info when I was not, I would sue you.

She shared it with a journalist and she gave thumb drives of the data to the Goldwater Institute. She admits to both of those things. She has redacted examples on her website and the journalist has redacted images posted. That's enough for the claim. A good discovery process might find she shared it with others and that some of what she has posted constitutes sharing--even if she says she doesn't.

What law prevents her from doing that?

That's what parents should to talk with lawyers to find out (or for parents among the group to consider) When I say "that's enough for the claim" it means she doesn't have grounds to complain that others are saying wrong things about her. If it turns out after expert consultation that there is no law against this, then people need to publicly advocate for one and consistently use her as a prime example of horrible behavior of taking, keeping and sharing private sensitive data that still is somehow legal. If there aren't legal concerns, perhaps the bad publicity surrounding doing such acts will be a deterrence to others. But what I know for sure is that parents should NOT use your consistent curt badgering about 'no laws' as evidence that they have no possible directions to pursue when any reasonable person knows what she did with all our information is wrong. There may be ways in the court, there may be advocacy ways outside the court. I'm not talking about doxxing or protesting or whatnot--just regularly holding a light to her behavior and actions in every advocacy action for better laws in the FOIA process--and more consequences for what people who "inadvertently" get private data need to do with it.

She can publicly complain, whine, and defend herself on her website (or any other public forum) that she wants. She doesn’t need “grounds” to do so.

Sure, the PP said she could sue someone for claiming that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s so pathetic this entitled “Karen” has chosen to exploit children to further her personal vendetta. She is not an advocate, she’s just destructive.

I am interested in pursuing legal action. I’m not a lawyer so I have limited knowledge- however I imagine we the parents could form a class action lawsuit.

Has anyone started this process ? How does it work?

Raise money. Lots of money. No attorney will take this on a contingency because there’s no “get” for them. I would suggest a minimum of $100,000 for a retainer. Then go attorney shopping until you find one willing to take your money…I mean, the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s so pathetic this entitled “Karen” has chosen to exploit children to further her personal vendetta. She is not an advocate, she’s just destructive.

I am interested in pursuing legal action. I’m not a lawyer so I have limited knowledge- however I imagine we the parents could form a class action lawsuit.

Has anyone started this process ? How does it work?

Well, individually--you would just look at websites for lawyers with expertise in privacy laws and you ask for a consultation on your situation--almost always this is free and there's a contact info on their website. You gather a few perspectives. Any parent could do this on your own.

But since this is 35k parents, so it might make more sense to contact an organization devoted to digital privacy--I don't know the landscape for these--a quick google search turned up Epic.org which I know nothing about--who might have enough knowledge and be interested in the advocacy/public example aspect of this all: https://epic.org/issues/privacy-laws/. But someone could look more closely at the range of organizations on this topic and talk to a few to get the ball rolling, that might be the first step as they will know the options and care about the topic. Any interested parent should talk to whatever organization catches their eye--their may be one for whom action on this would align with their organization's mission really well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And a lawsuit would cause Callie to have to spend money and time defending herself. Works for me. She wastes taxpayer money with her constant attacks on FCPS and she should get some of what she gives.

Please go on record and say you’re suing her to force her to spend money on legal fees and to drain the coffers of the Goldwater group. I would pay good money to be in the courtroom that day. That would be more exciting than a Taylor Swift concert. Please do it. Please.

Listen to yourself. You are getting pleasure at the legal naivete of parents whose children's sensitive, private information was taken, read, and shared by a person who is on some personal crusade at everyone's expense. So very gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And a lawsuit would cause Callie to have to spend money and time defending herself. Works for me. She wastes taxpayer money with her constant attacks on FCPS and she should get some of what she gives.

Please go on record and say you’re suing her to force her to spend money on legal fees and to drain the coffers of the Goldwater group. I would pay good money to be in the courtroom that day. That would be more exciting than a Taylor Swift concert. Please do it. Please.

Listen to yourself. You are getting pleasure at the legal naivete of parents whose children's sensitive, private information was taken, read, and shared by a person who is on some personal crusade at everyone's expense. So very gross.

No. I’m saying your desire to retaliate to get even is “so very gross”, and is a gross use of the legal system. So very gross.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s so pathetic this entitled “Karen” has chosen to exploit children to further her personal vendetta. She is not an advocate, she’s just destructive.

I am interested in pursuing legal action. I’m not a lawyer so I have limited knowledge- however I imagine we the parents could form a class action lawsuit.

Has anyone started this process ? How does it work?

Raise money. Lots of money. No attorney will take this on a contingency because there’s no “get” for them. I would suggest a minimum of $100,000 for a retainer. Then go attorney shopping until you find one willing to take your money…I mean, the case.

Or work with an organization who focuses on digital privacy laws and this situation aligns with their mission. No money needed.