Ready to be done with Disney

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. I’m not going back. The first trip was great with lots of nice extras like free parking. They took all the extras away while charging more. Nope.

Virtually all of those extras are back, including free parking.

Not the magical express shuttle service. Or magic bands to stay on site. Or 3 fast passes planned ahead of time. I miss those.

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Anonymous wrote:We recently returned and we’re sort of surprised how dirty and run-down it has become. And the prices just keep going up.

I was just there for a business conference and I didn't see anywhere that was dirty and rundown -- I think this is total BS.
Where exactly did you see that was dirty and rundown?
To make such a statement, you should have plenty of specifics to reference.

I've never particularly liked Disney (more especially now as my kids are teens) and while it may not be my bag, the one thing I did NOT see anywhere was dirty & rundown.
I agree that it's a cash grab / money suck, and would never have gone if it weren't for work.
I'd much rather bring my kids to Universal, as there's far more exciting things for them to do there.

Universal is absolutely dirty, and most of the rides are lame. HP and a couple coasters are exceptions, but otherwise it looks like a bunch of IP threw up into an incoherent mess.

Universal is not a Disney park.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.

It was the Dumbo Throw down show!

For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.

Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.

Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.

I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.

No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.

If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.

It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.

Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.

Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?

It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?

Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.

Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.

I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.

The videos are there for all to see. You can’t explain them away. They are actual evidence.

You are in denial. Of course I don’t have statistics. I don’t think about Disney 24/7, or ever until it appears on Recent Topics and I have a slow day at work.

Videos are anecdotal. I asked for actual evidence of WDW having more fights than other places that get similar numbers of visitors.

You don’t have that evidence.

At least admit you’re making an assertion based on internet anecdata.

I am not your research assistant. Enjoy your lame Disney vacations. What I have posted is true.

I was there and my kids witnessed a fight by Dumbo. That is not internet anecdata, I was personally there. That is direct evidence that fights occur.

You have admitted that. You don’t need me to provide a dissertation.

Fights don’t just occur “everywhere.” That isn’t how crime works. Would you say every part of DC is equally safe?

I am fine being done with Disney. I am allowed to express my negative experiences.

Why aren’t you fine with me being done with Disney? You are insecure about your affection for the place. At heart, you know it’s lame.

Honestly, at this point I’m annoyed by your total lack of analytic skills.

You witnessing a fight isn’t evidence that fights happen regularly there.

Internet videos aren’t either.

I’ve told you the evidence that’s needed. The fact that you don’t understand why that’s needed to make the assertion you did just shows your analytic skills are very poor.

It’s very odd how you seem unable to Google. DP told you what to google on YouTube.

DP
The person who makes the claim presents the evidence. If you can’t do that, you don’t have a reasonable argument.

Plenty of evidence has been “presented.”

But here you go: https://nypost.com/2023/05/16/brawl-breaks-out-at-disney-world-after-family-refuses-to-move-for-a-photo-op/amp/

So classy.

Then there is the warning about behavior: https://nypost.com/2022/12/29/disney-issues-behavior-warning-to-parkgoers-as-fights-increase/

I don’t see any evidence KSC has ever had similar events or posted a warning about fighting. CN you produce your evidence?

Burden of proof is on you, not me, and unless those articles have quantitative evidence that the problem is worse there than at other tourist attractions that are similarly popular, then it doesn’t prove your point.

I have contended that fights and bad behavior are an overall societal issue. It’s on you to prove it’s especially bad at WDW.

So prove this “societal issue” occurs at KSC as much as Disney. Go on.

PP here: I will concede the attendance numbers. I don’t need that.

Provide evidence it happens equally on a percentage basis of attendees at KSC than at Disney.

As I’ve said, the quant data doesn’t exist for any of this. But you’re the one who made the claim. It’s up to you to prove it.

Lol. No, it isn’t.

This isn’t a court of law, it’s the Internet. But if it was—and disliking Disney was a tort—

When I have been involved in cases before actual courts of law, both sides present their best case. If you don’t have one, it is common to obfuscate.

I said that the time I went to Disney, there was a fight. I can produce at least 5 witnesses. I have no wish to go back.

You are the defense. You made the claim that fights occur everywhere all the time and Disney is just fine, no different than everywhere else. I should wish to go back!

As such, your argument is a rebuttal. You then have to establish evidence this is within the range of normal life.

As such, YOU need to provide the data that WDW is safer than the venue compared. I claim KSC is safer/has fewer fights. Prove me wrong.

Nope. You presented the initial argument. If there’s no evidentiary basis for it, then the case should be thrown out. Pretty sure that’s how this all works.

Pretty sure you aren’t an attorney. I am.

For an attorney, your argumentation and logic skills are scarily awful. I’d be terrified for you to represent me.

Hahaha. Hope you don’t want your kids to go to Harvard like I did!

No one cares that you went to Harvard. Except you, clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. I’m not going back. The first trip was great with lots of nice extras like free parking. They took all the extras away while charging more. Nope.

Virtually all of those extras are back, including free parking.

Not the magical express shuttle service. Or magic bands to stay on site. Or 3 fast passes planned ahead of time. I miss those.

Advance FP is actually a horrible system.

I can go into detail if you want to know more.

Magical express is gone because the company that provided the bag service went out of business.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.

It was the Dumbo Throw down show!

For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.

Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.

Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.

I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.

No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.

If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.

It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.

Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.
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Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?

It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?

Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.

Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.

I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.

There are Orlando news stories regularly that report fights inside Disney parks.
Go read them for yourself.
They are not hard to find.
Oh and Peter Pan..
I don't need to do look ups for you.

Again, I asked for quantitative data that compares WDW to attractions with similar attendance.

You know — actual evidence of a trend.

Tell me you took a lame free community college data course and are trying to ridiculously apply it to this discussion without actually saying it. Fool.

The regular reporting of these incidents and the immense security staff Disney employs demonstrates to most reasonable folks that these fights happen often enough and are a Disney corporate concern.
Deny all you want and try to hide behind your joke of a "data ANAL-ysis" argument.

I am a DVC member and grew up 90 minutes from WDW. I have been over 100 times and have NEVER seen a fight.

Maybe you attract trouble.

You have been to Disney 100 times?! I'm so sorry.
I feel pity and compassion for you now. Be well.

I have Florida rental properties in Melbourne Beach so I'm well aware of DW problems and overall Orlando problems. And I've never been in a fight there, but I've seen some really aggressive and unacceptable behavior in DW.
I used to love Wet & Wild and their rope pull ski ride back in the day, but that closed partly because of crime problems along International street too. Universal built something there now.

Are you equally ugly to people who go on the same beach vacation each year?

I started going to WDW the year it opened. At only 90 minutes away, we went there for Girl Scout trips, school trips, Gradnight. We went to their water park, River County, which was groundbreaking at the time. We as teens frequently camped at Fort Wilderness, a truly terrific campground.

It was a favorite place to go to from college at UF. Then we all got married and took our families there. We could go as much as we wanted to $69 during the 3 Season salute pass.

Some of us, like me, even worked there. And bought DVC, making it easy to get a nice 2 bedroom place at the Grand Floridian for cheap. Our kids bring their kids now.

I have a grueling job now and enjoy the escape of Disney. I have done Europe, Scandinavia, etc. But they are different kinds of trips.

Don't feel sorry for me. I can't imagine how bad off you have to be to think of Disney as some sort of hellscape.

OK, so its pretty obvious that you have almost a lifetime relationship with Disney World, it influences your opinion, and good for you.
But I respectively submit that the DW you have gone to for most of your life has changed and not for the better.
You may try to consider that you are seeing DW thru the lens of old happy memories and not what it is now.

I respectfully submit you are a condescending ass. Let people like what they like without sh*tting on it. What’s the point.

GFY

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.

It was the Dumbo Throw down show!

For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.

Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.

Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.

I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.

No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.

If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.

It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.

Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.
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Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?

It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?

Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.

Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.

I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.

There are Orlando news stories regularly that report fights inside Disney parks.
Go read them for yourself.
They are not hard to find.
Oh and Peter Pan..
I don't need to do look ups for you.

Again, I asked for quantitative data that compares WDW to attractions with similar attendance.

You know — actual evidence of a trend.

Tell me you took a lame free community college data course and are trying to ridiculously apply it to this discussion without actually saying it. Fool.

The regular reporting of these incidents and the immense security staff Disney employs demonstrates to most reasonable folks that these fights happen often enough and are a Disney corporate concern.
Deny all you want and try to hide behind your joke of a "data ANAL-ysis" argument.

I am a DVC member and grew up 90 minutes from WDW. I have been over 100 times and have NEVER seen a fight.

Maybe you attract trouble.

You have been to Disney 100 times?! I'm so sorry.
I feel pity and compassion for you now. Be well.

I have Florida rental properties in Melbourne Beach so I'm well aware of DW problems and overall Orlando problems. And I've never been in a fight there, but I've seen some really aggressive and unacceptable behavior in DW.
I used to love Wet & Wild and their rope pull ski ride back in the day, but that closed partly because of crime problems along International street too. Universal built something there now.

Are you equally ugly to people who go on the same beach vacation each year?

I started going to WDW the year it opened. At only 90 minutes away, we went there for Girl Scout trips, school trips, Gradnight. We went to their water park, River County, which was groundbreaking at the time. We as teens frequently camped at Fort Wilderness, a truly terrific campground.

It was a favorite place to go to from college at UF. Then we all got married and took our families there. We could go as much as we wanted to $69 during the 3 Season salute pass.

Some of us, like me, even worked there. And bought DVC, making it easy to get a nice 2 bedroom place at the Grand Floridian for cheap. Our kids bring their kids now.

I have a grueling job now and enjoy the escape of Disney. I have done Europe, Scandinavia, etc. But they are different kinds of trips.

Don't feel sorry for me. I can't imagine how bad off you have to be to think of Disney as some sort of hellscape.

OK, so its pretty obvious that you have almost a lifetime relationship with Disney World, it influences your opinion, and good for you.
But I respectively submit that the DW you have gone to for most of your life has changed and not for the better.
You may try to consider that you are seeing DW thru the lens of old happy memories and not what it is now.

I respectfully submit you are a condescending ass. Let people like what they like without sh*tting on it. What’s the point.

GFY

Someone doesn’t like being called out.
Omg I think my husband is lurking in this forum…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. I’m not going back. The first trip was great with lots of nice extras like free parking. They took all the extras away while charging more. Nope.

Virtually all of those extras are back, including free parking.

Not the magical express shuttle service. Or magic bands to stay on site. Or 3 fast passes planned ahead of time. I miss those.

Advance FP is actually a horrible system.

I can go into detail if you want to know more.

Magical express is gone because the company that provided the bag service went out of business.

DP here. FP+ was excellent for power users like us, and FAR superior to G+. They got rid of it to A - charge money for it and B - supposedly make it easier for low information visitors.

I still go to Disney - I’m not claiming otherwise, but you have to be joking about G+ being better.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. I’m not going back. The first trip was great with lots of nice extras like free parking. They took all the extras away while charging more. Nope.

Virtually all of those extras are back, including free parking.

Not the magical express shuttle service. Or magic bands to stay on site. Or 3 fast passes planned ahead of time. I miss those.

Advance FP is actually a horrible system.

I can go into detail if you want to know more.

Magical express is gone because the company that provided the bag service went out of business.

DP here. FP+ was excellent for power users like us, and FAR superior to G+. They got rid of it to A - charge money for it and B - supposedly make it easier for low information visitors.

I still go to Disney - I’m not claiming otherwise, but you have to be joking about G+ being better.

We are also power users and love G+. We can get SO many more rides than we used to.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. I’m not going back. The first trip was great with lots of nice extras like free parking. They took all the extras away while charging more. Nope.

Virtually all of those extras are back, including free parking.

Not the magical express shuttle service. Or magic bands to stay on site. Or 3 fast passes planned ahead of time. I miss those.

Advance FP is actually a horrible system.

I can go into detail if you want to know more.

Magical express is gone because the company that provided the bag service went out of business.

DP here. FP+ was excellent for power users like us, and FAR superior to G+. They got rid of it to A - charge money for it and B - supposedly make it easier for low information visitors.

I still go to Disney - I’m not claiming otherwise, but you have to be joking about G+ being better.

We are also power users and love G+. We can get SO many more rides than we used to.

Not the good ones. You can’t get any of them twice, by rule/design. You can get G+ to rides you don’t even need it for. Who cares?

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. I’m not going back. The first trip was great with lots of nice extras like free parking. They took all the extras away while charging more. Nope.

Virtually all of those extras are back, including free parking.

Not the magical express shuttle service. Or magic bands to stay on site. Or 3 fast passes planned ahead of time. I miss those.

Advance FP is actually a horrible system.

I can go into detail if you want to know more.

Magical express is gone because the company that provided the bag service went out of business.

DP here. FP+ was excellent for power users like us, and FAR superior to G+. They got rid of it to A - charge money for it and B - supposedly make it easier for low information visitors.

I still go to Disney - I’m not claiming otherwise, but you have to be joking about G+ being better.

We are also power users and love G+. We can get SO many more rides than we used to.

Not the good ones. You can’t get any of them twice, by rule/design. You can get G+ to rides you don’t even need it for. Who cares?

We use it to bust through tons of rides without waiting at all.

We go a lot and haven’t waited more than 15 minutes for anything.

Stacking is the best part of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. I’m not going back. The first trip was great with lots of nice extras like free parking. They took all the extras away while charging more. Nope.

Virtually all of those extras are back, including free parking.

Not the magical express shuttle service. Or magic bands to stay on site. Or 3 fast passes planned ahead of time. I miss those.

Advance FP is actually a horrible system.

I can go into detail if you want to know more.

Magical express is gone because the company that provided the bag service went out of business.

DP here. FP+ was excellent for power users like us, and FAR superior to G+. They got rid of it to A - charge money for it and B - supposedly make it easier for low information visitors.

I still go to Disney - I’m not claiming otherwise, but you have to be joking about G+ being better.

We are also power users and love G+. We can get SO many more rides than we used to.

Not the good ones. You can’t get any of them twice, by rule/design. You can get G+ to rides you don’t even need it for. Who cares?

We use it to bust through tons of rides without waiting at all.

We go a lot and haven’t waited more than 15 minutes for anything.

Stacking is the best part of it.

We hit our stride with it during our last trip in April and hardly waited for anything at all, and rode most rides multiple times (not just with G+ but timing). It was awesome. I like it more than FP for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.

It was the Dumbo Throw down show!

For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.

Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.

Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.

I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.

No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.

If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.

It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.

Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.
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Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?

It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?

Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.

Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.

I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.

There are Orlando news stories regularly that report fights inside Disney parks.
Go read them for yourself.
They are not hard to find.
Oh and Peter Pan..
I don't need to do look ups for you.

Again, I asked for quantitative data that compares WDW to attractions with similar attendance.

You know — actual evidence of a trend.

Tell me you took a lame free community college data course and are trying to ridiculously apply it to this discussion without actually saying it. Fool.

The regular reporting of these incidents and the immense security staff Disney employs demonstrates to most reasonable folks that these fights happen often enough and are a Disney corporate concern.
Deny all you want and try to hide behind your joke of a "data ANAL-ysis" argument.

I am a DVC member and grew up 90 minutes from WDW. I have been over 100 times and have NEVER seen a fight.

Maybe you attract trouble.

You have been to Disney 100 times?! I'm so sorry.
I feel pity and compassion for you now. Be well.

I have Florida rental properties in Melbourne Beach so I'm well aware of DW problems and overall Orlando problems. And I've never been in a fight there, but I've seen some really aggressive and unacceptable behavior in DW.
I used to love Wet & Wild and their rope pull ski ride back in the day, but that closed partly because of crime problems along International street too. Universal built something there now.

Are you equally ugly to people who go on the same beach vacation each year?

I started going to WDW the year it opened. At only 90 minutes away, we went there for Girl Scout trips, school trips, Gradnight. We went to their water park, River County, which was groundbreaking at the time. We as teens frequently camped at Fort Wilderness, a truly terrific campground.

It was a favorite place to go to from college at UF. Then we all got married and took our families there. We could go as much as we wanted to $69 during the 3 Season salute pass.

Some of us, like me, even worked there. And bought DVC, making it easy to get a nice 2 bedroom place at the Grand Floridian for cheap. Our kids bring their kids now.

I have a grueling job now and enjoy the escape of Disney. I have done Europe, Scandinavia, etc. But they are different kinds of trips.

Don't feel sorry for me. I can't imagine how bad off you have to be to think of Disney as some sort of hellscape.

OK, so its pretty obvious that you have almost a lifetime relationship with Disney World, it influences your opinion, and good for you.
But I respectively submit that the DW you have gone to for most of your life has changed and not for the better.
You may try to consider that you are seeing DW thru the lens of old happy memories and not what it is now.

I respectfully submit you are a condescending ass. Let people like what they like without sh*tting on it. What’s the point.

GFY

Someone doesn’t like being called out.
Omg I think my husband is lurking in this forum…

Your poor husband. Naah, he's with his other partner.
My only point was that regular fights exist in DW, fact, and the place is very expensive for the experience of standing in line in hot son for hours for cheesy automated rides.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. I’m not going back. The first trip was great with lots of nice extras like free parking. They took all the extras away while charging more. Nope.

Virtually all of those extras are back, including free parking.

Not the magical express shuttle service. Or magic bands to stay on site. Or 3 fast passes planned ahead of time. I miss those.

Advance FP is actually a horrible system.

I can go into detail if you want to know more.

Magical express is gone because the company that provided the bag service went out of business.

DP here. FP+ was excellent for power users like us, and FAR superior to G+. They got rid of it to A - charge money for it and B - supposedly make it easier for low information visitors.

I still go to Disney - I’m not claiming otherwise, but you have to be joking about G+ being better.

We are also power users and love G+. We can get SO many more rides than we used to.

Not the good ones. You can’t get any of them twice, by rule/design. You can get G+ to rides you don’t even need it for. Who cares?

We use it to bust through tons of rides without waiting at all.

We go a lot and haven’t waited more than 15 minutes for anything.

Stacking is the best part of it.

You were definitely not a FP+ power user if you think this. Anyone who maximized FP+ got way more use out of it.
I’d much rather get multiple rides per day on FOP, 7DMT, Space, Thunder, Toy Story etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.

It was the Dumbo Throw down show!

For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.

Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.

Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.

I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.

No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.

If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.

It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.

Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.
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Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?

It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?

Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.

Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.

I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.

There are Orlando news stories regularly that report fights inside Disney parks.
Go read them for yourself.
They are not hard to find.
Oh and Peter Pan..
I don't need to do look ups for you.

Again, I asked for quantitative data that compares WDW to attractions with similar attendance.

You know — actual evidence of a trend.

Tell me you took a lame free community college data course and are trying to ridiculously apply it to this discussion without actually saying it. Fool.

The regular reporting of these incidents and the immense security staff Disney employs demonstrates to most reasonable folks that these fights happen often enough and are a Disney corporate concern.
Deny all you want and try to hide behind your joke of a "data ANAL-ysis" argument.

I am a DVC member and grew up 90 minutes from WDW. I have been over 100 times and have NEVER seen a fight.

Maybe you attract trouble.

You have been to Disney 100 times?! I'm so sorry.
I feel pity and compassion for you now. Be well.

I have Florida rental properties in Melbourne Beach so I'm well aware of DW problems and overall Orlando problems. And I've never been in a fight there, but I've seen some really aggressive and unacceptable behavior in DW.
I used to love Wet & Wild and their rope pull ski ride back in the day, but that closed partly because of crime problems along International street too. Universal built something there now.

Are you equally ugly to people who go on the same beach vacation each year?

I started going to WDW the year it opened. At only 90 minutes away, we went there for Girl Scout trips, school trips, Gradnight. We went to their water park, River County, which was groundbreaking at the time. We as teens frequently camped at Fort Wilderness, a truly terrific campground.

It was a favorite place to go to from college at UF. Then we all got married and took our families there. We could go as much as we wanted to $69 during the 3 Season salute pass.

Some of us, like me, even worked there. And bought DVC, making it easy to get a nice 2 bedroom place at the Grand Floridian for cheap. Our kids bring their kids now.

I have a grueling job now and enjoy the escape of Disney. I have done Europe, Scandinavia, etc. But they are different kinds of trips.

Don't feel sorry for me. I can't imagine how bad off you have to be to think of Disney as some sort of hellscape.

OK, so its pretty obvious that you have almost a lifetime relationship with Disney World, it influences your opinion, and good for you.
But I respectively submit that the DW you have gone to for most of your life has changed and not for the better.
You may try to consider that you are seeing DW thru the lens of old happy memories and not what it is now.

I respectfully submit you are a condescending ass. Let people like what they like without sh*tting on it. What’s the point.

GFY

Someone doesn’t like being called out.
Omg I think my husband is lurking in this forum…

Your poor husband. Naah, he's with his other partner.
My only point was that regular fights exist in DW, fact, and the place is very expensive for the experience of standing in line in hot son for hours for cheesy automated rides.

You were doing it wrong. But that’s okay. If everyone knew how to do it it would be harder for us who do. I wish more people would shun Disney like you!

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Fatphobic a-hole.

It was the Dumbo Throw down show!

For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.

Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.

Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.

I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.

No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.

If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.

It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.

Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.
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Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?

It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?

Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.

Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.

I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.

There are Orlando news stories regularly that report fights inside Disney parks.
Go read them for yourself.
They are not hard to find.
Oh and Peter Pan..
I don't need to do look ups for you.

Again, I asked for quantitative data that compares WDW to attractions with similar attendance.

You know — actual evidence of a trend.

Tell me you took a lame free community college data course and are trying to ridiculously apply it to this discussion without actually saying it. Fool.

The regular reporting of these incidents and the immense security staff Disney employs demonstrates to most reasonable folks that these fights happen often enough and are a Disney corporate concern.
Deny all you want and try to hide behind your joke of a "data ANAL-ysis" argument.

I am a DVC member and grew up 90 minutes from WDW. I have been over 100 times and have NEVER seen a fight.

Maybe you attract trouble.

You have been to Disney 100 times?! I'm so sorry.
I feel pity and compassion for you now. Be well.

I have Florida rental properties in Melbourne Beach so I'm well aware of DW problems and overall Orlando problems. And I've never been in a fight there, but I've seen some really aggressive and unacceptable behavior in DW.
I used to love Wet & Wild and their rope pull ski ride back in the day, but that closed partly because of crime problems along International street too. Universal built something there now.

Are you equally ugly to people who go on the same beach vacation each year?

I started going to WDW the year it opened. At only 90 minutes away, we went there for Girl Scout trips, school trips, Gradnight. We went to their water park, River County, which was groundbreaking at the time. We as teens frequently camped at Fort Wilderness, a truly terrific campground.

It was a favorite place to go to from college at UF. Then we all got married and took our families there. We could go as much as we wanted to $69 during the 3 Season salute pass.

Some of us, like me, even worked there. And bought DVC, making it easy to get a nice 2 bedroom place at the Grand Floridian for cheap. Our kids bring their kids now.

I have a grueling job now and enjoy the escape of Disney. I have done Europe, Scandinavia, etc. But they are different kinds of trips.

Don't feel sorry for me. I can't imagine how bad off you have to be to think of Disney as some sort of hellscape.

OK, so its pretty obvious that you have almost a lifetime relationship with Disney World, it influences your opinion, and good for you.
But I respectively submit that the DW you have gone to for most of your life has changed and not for the better.
You may try to consider that you are seeing DW thru the lens of old happy memories and not what it is now.

I respectfully submit you are a condescending ass. Let people like what they like without sh*tting on it. What’s the point.

GFY

Someone doesn’t like being called out.
Omg I think my husband is lurking in this forum…

Your poor husband. Naah, he's with his other partner.
My only point was that regular fights exist in DW, fact, and the place is very expensive for the experience of standing in line in hot son for hours for cheesy automated rides.

All rides are automated … where are you seeing manual rides?