Same poster. But there is also tension re: freedom, change of plans, perception that you can just do whatever you want and not be handed a controlled itinerary. So many people (picky fans, and on the opposite end, reluctant goers) would push back on this because they don’t want to be told. |
Touringplans.com does this reasonably well. |
+1 I recall one of our college RAs being obsessed with Disney. Everyone thought she was weird and immature and it was no wonder she didn’t have a boyfriend. |
Both of these posts just reek of snobbery. I didn’t go up gojng to disney but gawrsh (as Goofy would say)—get over yourself. You’re sooooo much cooler than your college RA. Congrats. |
The math and science behind it all is fascinating. I’ve talked to a number of people that work there about this stuff. One point about the rides….many of the older rides that were high demand twenty years ago now have almost no waits. Dumbo, tea cups, the older Star Wars ride, etc.—those are easy to get. It’s just that they keep adding new rides and people queue up for those. You could go and have the 2002 experience with basically no waits unless it’s a really high crowd day. We’ve been to a lot of national parks, historic churches, museums, etc. disney is really unique as an example of what man came build through sheer determination, creativity and money. It is the ultimate if you build it, they will come. I think the ancient Romans actually would have been very impressed. I would love to see what historians in 2000 here say about it, assuming we haven’t destroyed the earth for all living species. |
Disneyland/CA are so much better IMO. We go for a long weekend in January and never wait more than 20 minutes in a line and the weather is glorious. |
That's not really futuristic. Touring Plans isn't perfect, but does this pretty well. |
Here now and we had no luck with the touring plans. The wait times were waaaay off. Like saying it’s 25 minutes when it’s posted at 70 (which is much more accurate). I would agree with the OP. We won’t come back. It’s so complicated and expensive and I don’t want to spend my vacation setting alarms to get up at 7 so we can get in the virtual cue and analyzing which rides use genie plus and which use a separate fee. Magic Kingdom in particular feels tired and dated. The new rides are super cool but don’t justify the cost and crowds. It’s a 2 on the crowd calendar for MK today and it’s still crazy busy and long waits. |
I mean yeah, I’d rather not be surrounded by morbidly obese parents on scooters in character shirts yelling at their overtired, oversugared kids. |
I’d love for PP to post their itinerary for their first class trip in Europe. We went twice last year and spent 20K each time for a family of four and it was not at all a first class experience and we were definitely surrounded by average joes. |
When I look back at the worst weeks since I became a parent. There are the truly terrible weeks (concern about potential life threatening illness, whole family stomach bug, etc) and then there is the week we went to disney.
While not quite as bad as the truly terrible weeks it was worse than any other parenting experience. |
The problem is that there are "really high crowd" days all of the time now. Just got back from a week there, waits were insane for all except Carousel of Progress. The last several times that I have gone, there have been substantial waits, even for old stand-bys like the People Mover, Gran Fiesta Tour and Spaceship Earth. So, even as a frequent Disney visitor who knows the parks well, I cannot have a 2002 experience anymore. And there have been many trips in the last 5 to 7 years where we have to skip riding certain things unless willing to wait 90-120 minutes because FP/LL forces you to pick one ride (Slinky Dog, Test Track, etc.) |
That describes anywhere Americans go. Including our recent trip to Zion NP |
NP but I go on scuba diving trips for this reason. Never any kids, and I mean never. It’s so much more pleasant. |
You need a different kind of bubble, one where you limit contact to those people that meet your physical and behavioral standards. You obviously can't deal in the real, unfiltered world. Good luck! |