Ready to be done with Disney

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Anonymous wrote:You ask him. He can confirm I am an attorney from my previous posts, and probably that I went to HLS if he bothers to go back far enough. I hope he doesn’t waste his time.

You don’t understand. I believe you. It just makes it that much more pathetic that you don’t understand basic evidentiary procedures.

On the court of law that is DCUM? Lol.

No — you were wrong on where burden of proof lies. That’s really it.

No, I am not.

There is no burden of proof in an online discussion of whether Disney sucks. That’s what you don’t seem to understand.

No. You described how it would work if it was a case and incorrectly stated that I have a burden of proof. I don’t. I’m the defense.

You described it and I was making fun of you (both). You do have a burden of proof.

In an actual case, if the plaintiff establishes a possibly criminal event occurred, then you have the burden as defense to establish your reasons why the thing the plaintiff established doesn’t count.

Burden-shifting is very common. Happens all the time.

Imagine a case in which a person shoots another person. Murder automatically? No. The prosecutor can establish the person was shot by the defendant. But that is not enough. The burden then shifts to the defense to prove it was justified.

It is an “affirmative defense” that yes, the defendant shot the victim, but there was an exculpatory reason, such as insanity or self-defense.

Prosecution has to initially clear a minimum burden of proof, though, and you clearly haven’t.

I can procure 5 witnesses to my negative experience. I could easily prove that to me, Disney sucks.

I would never, though, because I am too smart to litigate my experience. I just won’t go back. Problem solved.

BTW, it’s also pretty fun to share my actual, truthful experience with Disney here. It always leads to Disney Adults losing their minds.

DH and I had a really good friend who married a woman whose favorite thing is the M&M store. I just…can’t.

In addition to being a crappy lawyer, you also can’t help but crap on what other people like.

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Love this thread. Its got Disney, money, dumbo fights, and lawyers. Now we need sex!

This is hilarious! Pass the popcorn.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.

It was the Dumbo Throw down show!

For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.

Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.

Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.

I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.

No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.

If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.

It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.

Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.
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Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?

It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?

Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.

Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.

I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.

There are Orlando news stories regularly that report fights inside Disney parks.
Go read them for yourself.
They are not hard to find.
Oh and Peter Pan..
I don't need to do look ups for you.

Again, I asked for quantitative data that compares WDW to attractions with similar attendance.

You know — actual evidence of a trend.

Tell me you took a lame free community college data course and are trying to ridiculously apply it to this discussion without actually saying it. Fool.

The regular reporting of these incidents and the immense security staff Disney employs demonstrates to most reasonable folks that these fights happen often enough and are a Disney corporate concern.
Deny all you want and try to hide behind your joke of a "data ANAL-ysis" argument.

I am a DVC member and grew up 90 minutes from WDW. I have been over 100 times and have NEVER seen a fight.

Maybe you attract trouble.

You have been to Disney 100 times?! I'm so sorry.
I feel pity and compassion for you now. Be well.

I have Florida rental properties in Melbourne Beach so I'm well aware of DW problems and overall Orlando problems. And I've never been in a fight there, but I've seen some really aggressive and unacceptable behavior in DW.
I used to love Wet & Wild and their rope pull ski ride back in the day, but that closed partly because of crime problems along International street too. Universal built something there now.

Are you equally ugly to people who go on the same beach vacation each year?

I started going to WDW the year it opened. At only 90 minutes away, we went there for Girl Scout trips, school trips, Gradnight. We went to their water park, River County, which was groundbreaking at the time. We as teens frequently camped at Fort Wilderness, a truly terrific campground.

It was a favorite place to go to from college at UF. Then we all got married and took our families there. We could go as much as we wanted to $69 during the 3 Season salute pass.

Some of us, like me, even worked there. And bought DVC, making it easy to get a nice 2 bedroom place at the Grand Floridian for cheap. Our kids bring their kids now.

I have a grueling job now and enjoy the escape of Disney. I have done Europe, Scandinavia, etc. But they are different kinds of trips.

Don't feel sorry for me. I can't imagine how bad off you have to be to think of Disney as some sort of hellscape.

OK, so its pretty obvious that you have almost a lifetime relationship with Disney World, it influences your opinion, and good for you.
But I respectively submit that the DW you have gone to for most of your life has changed and not for the better.
You may try to consider that you are seeing DW thru the lens of old happy memories and not what it is now.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.

It was the Dumbo Throw down show!

For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.

Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.

Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.

I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.

No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.

If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.

It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.

Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.
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Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?

It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?

Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.

Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.

I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.

There are Orlando news stories regularly that report fights inside Disney parks.
Go read them for yourself.
They are not hard to find.
Oh and Peter Pan..
I don't need to do look ups for you.

Again, I asked for quantitative data that compares WDW to attractions with similar attendance.

You know — actual evidence of a trend.

Tell me you took a lame free community college data course and are trying to ridiculously apply it to this discussion without actually saying it. Fool.

The regular reporting of these incidents and the immense security staff Disney employs demonstrates to most reasonable folks that these fights happen often enough and are a Disney corporate concern.
Deny all you want and try to hide behind your joke of a "data ANAL-ysis" argument.

I am a DVC member and grew up 90 minutes from WDW. I have been over 100 times and have NEVER seen a fight.

Maybe you attract trouble.

You have been to Disney 100 times?! I'm so sorry.
I feel pity and compassion for you now. Be well.

I have Florida rental properties in Melbourne Beach so I'm well aware of DW problems and overall Orlando problems. And I've never been in a fight there, but I've seen some really aggressive and unacceptable behavior in DW.
I used to love Wet & Wild and their rope pull ski ride back in the day, but that closed partly because of crime problems along International street too. Universal built something there now.

Are you equally ugly to people who go on the same beach vacation each year?

I started going to WDW the year it opened. At only 90 minutes away, we went there for Girl Scout trips, school trips, Gradnight. We went to their water park, River County, which was groundbreaking at the time. We as teens frequently camped at Fort Wilderness, a truly terrific campground.

It was a favorite place to go to from college at UF. Then we all got married and took our families there. We could go as much as we wanted to $69 during the 3 Season salute pass.

Some of us, like me, even worked there. And bought DVC, making it easy to get a nice 2 bedroom place at the Grand Floridian for cheap. Our kids bring their kids now.

I have a grueling job now and enjoy the escape of Disney. I have done Europe, Scandinavia, etc. But they are different kinds of trips.

Don't feel sorry for me. I can't imagine how bad off you have to be to think of Disney as some sort of hellscape.

Even dumber are people who invest in time shares or vacation clubs and think they are getting a deal paying exorbitant maintenance fees that go up every year forever. Keep believing it’s a deal.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.

It was the Dumbo Throw down show!

For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.

Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.

Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.

I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.

No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.

If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.

It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.

Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.
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Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?

It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?

Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.

Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.

I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.

There are Orlando news stories regularly that report fights inside Disney parks.
Go read them for yourself.
They are not hard to find.
Oh and Peter Pan..
I don't need to do look ups for you.

Again, I asked for quantitative data that compares WDW to attractions with similar attendance.

You know — actual evidence of a trend.

Tell me you took a lame free community college data course and are trying to ridiculously apply it to this discussion without actually saying it. Fool.

The regular reporting of these incidents and the immense security staff Disney employs demonstrates to most reasonable folks that these fights happen often enough and are a Disney corporate concern.
Deny all you want and try to hide behind your joke of a "data ANAL-ysis" argument.

I am a DVC member and grew up 90 minutes from WDW. I have been over 100 times and have NEVER seen a fight.

Maybe you attract trouble.

You have been to Disney 100 times?! I'm so sorry.
I feel pity and compassion for you now. Be well.

I have Florida rental properties in Melbourne Beach so I'm well aware of DW problems and overall Orlando problems. And I've never been in a fight there, but I've seen some really aggressive and unacceptable behavior in DW.
I used to love Wet & Wild and their rope pull ski ride back in the day, but that closed partly because of crime problems along International street too. Universal built something there now.

Are you equally ugly to people who go on the same beach vacation each year?

I started going to WDW the year it opened. At only 90 minutes away, we went there for Girl Scout trips, school trips, Gradnight. We went to their water park, River County, which was groundbreaking at the time. We as teens frequently camped at Fort Wilderness, a truly terrific campground.

It was a favorite place to go to from college at UF. Then we all got married and took our families there. We could go as much as we wanted to $69 during the 3 Season salute pass.

Some of us, like me, even worked there. And bought DVC, making it easy to get a nice 2 bedroom place at the Grand Floridian for cheap. Our kids bring their kids now.

I have a grueling job now and enjoy the escape of Disney. I have done Europe, Scandinavia, etc. But they are different kinds of trips.

Don't feel sorry for me. I can't imagine how bad off you have to be to think of Disney as some sort of hellscape.

Even dumber are people who invest in time shares or vacation clubs and think they are getting a deal paying exorbitant maintenance fees that go up every year forever. Keep believing it’s a deal.

The fees don’t go up that much. In fact, they’re legally not allowed to increase them by more than a set amount.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.

It was the Dumbo Throw down show!

For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.

Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.

Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.

I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.

No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.

If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.

It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.

Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.
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Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?

It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?

Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.

Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.

I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.

There are Orlando news stories regularly that report fights inside Disney parks.
Go read them for yourself.
They are not hard to find.
Oh and Peter Pan..
I don't need to do look ups for you.

Again, I asked for quantitative data that compares WDW to attractions with similar attendance.

You know — actual evidence of a trend.

Tell me you took a lame free community college data course and are trying to ridiculously apply it to this discussion without actually saying it. Fool.

The regular reporting of these incidents and the immense security staff Disney employs demonstrates to most reasonable folks that these fights happen often enough and are a Disney corporate concern.
Deny all you want and try to hide behind your joke of a "data ANAL-ysis" argument.

I am a DVC member and grew up 90 minutes from WDW. I have been over 100 times and have NEVER seen a fight.

Maybe you attract trouble.

You have been to Disney 100 times?! I'm so sorry.
I feel pity and compassion for you now. Be well.

I have Florida rental properties in Melbourne Beach so I'm well aware of DW problems and overall Orlando problems. And I've never been in a fight there, but I've seen some really aggressive and unacceptable behavior in DW.
I used to love Wet & Wild and their rope pull ski ride back in the day, but that closed partly because of crime problems along International street too. Universal built something there now.

Are you equally ugly to people who go on the same beach vacation each year?

I started going to WDW the year it opened. At only 90 minutes away, we went there for Girl Scout trips, school trips, Gradnight. We went to their water park, River County, which was groundbreaking at the time. We as teens frequently camped at Fort Wilderness, a truly terrific campground.

It was a favorite place to go to from college at UF. Then we all got married and took our families there. We could go as much as we wanted to $69 during the 3 Season salute pass.

Some of us, like me, even worked there. And bought DVC, making it easy to get a nice 2 bedroom place at the Grand Floridian for cheap. Our kids bring their kids now.

I have a grueling job now and enjoy the escape of Disney. I have done Europe, Scandinavia, etc. But they are different kinds of trips.

Don't feel sorry for me. I can't imagine how bad off you have to be to think of Disney as some sort of hellscape.

OK, so its pretty obvious that you have almost a lifetime relationship with Disney World, it influences your opinion, and good for you.
But I respectively submit that the DW you have gone to for most of your life has changed and not for the better.
You may try to consider that you are seeing DW thru the lens of old happy memories and not what it is now.

I respectfully submit you are a condescending ass. Let people like what they like without sh*tting on it. What’s the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone with more knowledge than me share when did it become such a truly expensive thing? I am mid 30s and went only once as a kid, I think. I have no plans to go again as I don’t have kids.

When did it become exorbitantly expensive? 5, 10, more years ago?

It’s been noticeably different post-pandemic. They replaced the free fastpass with Genie+ and Lightning Lane in 2021, they also scrapped the Magic Express (free transportation to and from resorts), and they jacked up prices in response to all the pent-up demand despite offering a worse experience (staffing shortages means no daily housekeeping, etc.). It worked in 2021-22 when Europe was mostly closed, but now more people are starting to question whether WDW is worth it.

Over the last several years, Park management has become aggressive about keeping labor costs low by cutting the workers at rides (so only half the ride cars are in operation), closing the parks early when crowds are lower (so shoving more people into the remaining space), etc. Ruining the FP experience so that you have to pay to get into another line that is still pretty long, introducing more "special events" where you pay extra to stay later with a smaller crowd, eliminating group VIP tours where you could pay for a couple of people to join a tour to get automatic FPs (now leaving only the "pay for 10 VIP tour at $450-900 per hour for a minimum of 7 hours"). Surge pricing for base tickets and add-ons, etc. Making people pay for Park Hopping while limiting the time that you can park hop, etc. As DVC members who go every year, trust me that the cost benefit analysis is really changing. The pandemic accelerated it, but it started before that.

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Anonymous wrote:We recently returned and we’re sort of surprised how dirty and run-down it has become. And the prices just keep going up.

I was just there for a business conference and I didn't see anywhere that was dirty and rundown -- I think this is total BS.
Where exactly did you see that was dirty and rundown?
To make such a statement, you should have plenty of specifics to reference.

I've never particularly liked Disney (more especially now as my kids are teens) and while it may not be my bag, the one thing I did NOT see anywhere was dirty & rundown.
I agree that it's a cash grab / money suck, and would never have gone if it weren't for work.
I'd much rather bring my kids to Universal, as there's far more exciting things for them to do there.

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Anonymous wrote:We recently returned and we’re sort of surprised how dirty and run-down it has become. And the prices just keep going up.

I was just there for a business conference and I didn't see anywhere that was dirty and rundown -- I think this is total BS.
Where exactly did you see that was dirty and rundown?
To make such a statement, you should have plenty of specifics to reference.

I've never particularly liked Disney (more especially now as my kids are teens) and while it may not be my bag, the one thing I did NOT see anywhere was dirty & rundown.
I agree that it's a cash grab / money suck, and would never have gone if it weren't for work.
I'd much rather bring my kids to Universal, as there's far more exciting things for them to do there.

Universal is absolutely dirty, and most of the rides are lame. HP and a couple coasters are exceptions, but otherwise it looks like a bunch of IP threw up into an incoherent mess.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone with more knowledge than me share when did it become such a truly expensive thing? I am mid 30s and went only once as a kid, I think. I have no plans to go again as I don’t have kids.

When did it become exorbitantly expensive? 5, 10, more years ago?

It’s been noticeably different post-pandemic. They replaced the free fastpass with Genie+ and Lightning Lane in 2021, they also scrapped the Magic Express (free transportation to and from resorts), and they jacked up prices in response to all the pent-up demand despite offering a worse experience (staffing shortages means no daily housekeeping, etc.). It worked in 2021-22 when Europe was mostly closed, but now more people are starting to question whether WDW is worth it.

Over the last several years, Park management has become aggressive about keeping labor costs low by cutting the workers at rides (so only half the ride cars are in operation), closing the parks early when crowds are lower (so shoving more people into the remaining space), etc. Ruining the FP experience so that you have to pay to get into another line that is still pretty long, introducing more "special events" where you pay extra to stay later with a smaller crowd, eliminating group VIP tours where you could pay for a couple of people to join a tour to get automatic FPs (now leaving only the "pay for 10 VIP tour at $450-900 per hour for a minimum of 7 hours"). Surge pricing for base tickets and add-ons, etc. Making people pay for Park Hopping while limiting the time that you can park hop, etc. As DVC members who go every year, trust me that the cost benefit analysis is really changing. The pandemic accelerated it, but it started before that.

Genie+ leads to very short lines and as a DVC member you know that.

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I agree. I’m not going back. The first trip was great with lots of nice extras like free parking. They took all the extras away while charging more. Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree. I’m not going back. The first trip was great with lots of nice extras like free parking. They took all the extras away while charging more. Nope.

Virtually all of those extras are back, including free parking.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.

It was the Dumbo Throw down show!

For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.

Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.

Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.

I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.

No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.

If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.

It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.

Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.
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Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?

It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?

Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.

Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.

I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.

There are Orlando news stories regularly that report fights inside Disney parks.
Go read them for yourself.
They are not hard to find.
Oh and Peter Pan..
I don't need to do look ups for you.

Again, I asked for quantitative data that compares WDW to attractions with similar attendance.

You know — actual evidence of a trend.

Tell me you took a lame free community college data course and are trying to ridiculously apply it to this discussion without actually saying it. Fool.

The regular reporting of these incidents and the immense security staff Disney employs demonstrates to most reasonable folks that these fights happen often enough and are a Disney corporate concern.
Deny all you want and try to hide behind your joke of a "data ANAL-ysis" argument.

I am a DVC member and grew up 90 minutes from WDW. I have been over 100 times and have NEVER seen a fight.

Maybe you attract trouble.

You have been to Disney 100 times?! I'm so sorry.
I feel pity and compassion for you now. Be well.

I have Florida rental properties in Melbourne Beach so I'm well aware of DW problems and overall Orlando problems. And I've never been in a fight there, but I've seen some really aggressive and unacceptable behavior in DW.
I used to love Wet & Wild and their rope pull ski ride back in the day, but that closed partly because of crime problems along International street too. Universal built something there now.

Are you equally ugly to people who go on the same beach vacation each year?

I started going to WDW the year it opened. At only 90 minutes away, we went there for Girl Scout trips, school trips, Gradnight. We went to their water park, River County, which was groundbreaking at the time. We as teens frequently camped at Fort Wilderness, a truly terrific campground.

It was a favorite place to go to from college at UF. Then we all got married and took our families there. We could go as much as we wanted to $69 during the 3 Season salute pass.

Some of us, like me, even worked there. And bought DVC, making it easy to get a nice 2 bedroom place at the Grand Floridian for cheap. Our kids bring their kids now.

I have a grueling job now and enjoy the escape of Disney. I have done Europe, Scandinavia, etc. But they are different kinds of trips.

Don't feel sorry for me. I can't imagine how bad off you have to be to think of Disney as some sort of hellscape.

Even dumber are people who invest in time shares or vacation clubs and think they are getting a deal paying exorbitant maintenance fees that go up every year forever. Keep believing it’s a deal.

The fees don’t go up that much. In fact, they’re legally not allowed to increase them by more than a set amount.

Aren’t fees like $2K/year?

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Anonymous wrote:We took our kids when they were 4 and 6. It was fun. Recently we did Universal and had no desire to go to Disney bc it’s more expensive and requires a lot more planning. My kids (now teens) and I actually want to do a couple of the newer rides at Disney but it doesn’t seem worth it. So my issue isn’t the park—it’s the price and overall experience.

The customer service at Universal is awful, in my experience, and the rides are lame. Only exception are the HP rides and Velocicoaster.

We didn’t have any customer service issues. And yes HP was the best part of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and you had to point out that they’re large.

Fatphobic a-hole.

It was the Dumbo Throw down show!

For some reason it bothered me even more that it was by a ride aimed at small kids.

Again, we’ve been to Disney a lot and have never seen anything close to that.

So recognize that what you saw was not typical.

Search Disney World Fights on YouTube.
It happens more than it should.

I could find you 100 examples of fights all over the place. This is far from a Disney thing.

No one is saying it is and you completely miss the point.

Fights are not all that rare at DW.

If that’s true, I would’ve expected to have seen one, given that we go quite a bit.

It is documented in many videos. And that's true.
Sorry you never saw as I know you think you are the center of the universe.

Ah yes — because it’s in videos online, that must mean it happens all the time.
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Data analysis isn’t your strong suit, is it?

It happens regularly and is reported as such regularly.
Locally and sometimes nationally.
And people record the fights regularly.
Reality isn't your strong suit is it?

Prove to me it happens regularly. Give me numbers.

Lol. You think Disney releases numbers? “Sweet summer child,” as a Disney addict (maybe you) called another poster.

Companies don’t release incident reports that reflect on them negatively.

I know. I knew you wouldn’t have evidence and are just pulling crap out of your butt.

There are Orlando news stories regularly that report fights inside Disney parks.
Go read them for yourself.
They are not hard to find.
Oh and Peter Pan..
I don't need to do look ups for you.

Again, I asked for quantitative data that compares WDW to attractions with similar attendance.

You know — actual evidence of a trend.

Tell me you took a lame free community college data course and are trying to ridiculously apply it to this discussion without actually saying it. Fool.

The regular reporting of these incidents and the immense security staff Disney employs demonstrates to most reasonable folks that these fights happen often enough and are a Disney corporate concern.
Deny all you want and try to hide behind your joke of a "data ANAL-ysis" argument.

I am a DVC member and grew up 90 minutes from WDW. I have been over 100 times and have NEVER seen a fight.

Maybe you attract trouble.

You have been to Disney 100 times?! I'm so sorry.
I feel pity and compassion for you now. Be well.

I have Florida rental properties in Melbourne Beach so I'm well aware of DW problems and overall Orlando problems. And I've never been in a fight there, but I've seen some really aggressive and unacceptable behavior in DW.
I used to love Wet & Wild and their rope pull ski ride back in the day, but that closed partly because of crime problems along International street too. Universal built something there now.

Are you equally ugly to people who go on the same beach vacation each year?

I started going to WDW the year it opened. At only 90 minutes away, we went there for Girl Scout trips, school trips, Gradnight. We went to their water park, River County, which was groundbreaking at the time. We as teens frequently camped at Fort Wilderness, a truly terrific campground.

It was a favorite place to go to from college at UF. Then we all got married and took our families there. We could go as much as we wanted to $69 during the 3 Season salute pass.

Some of us, like me, even worked there. And bought DVC, making it easy to get a nice 2 bedroom place at the Grand Floridian for cheap. Our kids bring their kids now.

I have a grueling job now and enjoy the escape of Disney. I have done Europe, Scandinavia, etc. But they are different kinds of trips.

Don't feel sorry for me. I can't imagine how bad off you have to be to think of Disney as some sort of hellscape.

Even dumber are people who invest in time shares or vacation clubs and think they are getting a deal paying exorbitant maintenance fees that go up every year forever. Keep believing it’s a deal.

The fees don’t go up that much. In fact, they’re legally not allowed to increase them by more than a set amount.

Aren’t fees like $2K/year?

The fees need to be compared to the cost of cash rooms at deluxe Disney resorts. For people who go to Disney a lot and want to stay at deluxe resorts, DVC is absolutely a deal.