MCPS teachers - what would you tell parents in your class(es) if you could?

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Anonymous wrote:Do general education teachers receive any training in how to teach or even how to understand SN children? Are teachers aware of what adhd, autism, etc are? So many are mainstreamed into general Ed that SN teachers aren't even in their lives.


Yes. Every teacher needs to take at least 6 credits of special education classes to be certified. We also receive ongoing PD.

What we don’t receive are a lot of additional resources or support. I’ve had classes in which 1/3 of my students have 504s and IEPs.


This. Plus, there are many students with other special needs among the remaining 2/3. Often 1/3 are English language learners (or in MCPS, Emerging Multilingual Learners), some of whom might have other needs as well: FARMS and EML, IEP and EML, 504 and EML, or GT and EML. I’ve taught triple-coded and even quadruple coded students in classrooms with 10 IEP/504 students without a second adult to assist.


And, this is where parent volunteers could come in and help.


I don't mean this in a rude way, but parent volunteers who are not trained to work with high needs population would not be helpful in anyway, and could end up doing more harm that good.


Parent volunteers chat and socialize with other adults in the room rarely helping with the kids snd modeling that I am to be ignored and talked over.


Yes, some do, and some don't. Not all of us do.
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Anonymous wrote:Don’t expect much. I literally only get 18 seconds per school day to think and plan for YOUR kid. 0.8 part time teacher = 36 minutes/day planning time with over 100 students


This would be my message, too. We are overwhelmed and we get very little time during the work day to actually get work done. I’m lucky if I get 30 minutes a day to respond to emails, look at data for all 140 students, plan lessons, grade papers, call parents, eat lunch, and go to the bathroom.



I’m not arguing but can you explain what happens to your time? You are supposed to get an hour planning/grading time per day plus a 45 minute lunch. And then some time after school. Are they making you cover other classes during your break? Or attend meetings? This seems like the kind of thing that could be grieved.


Do you understand that a 30 minute duty free lunch means that we should not be using that time to email/plan? We are using that time to eat. All of the planning time is not individual planning, some is sitting in meetings, analyzing data. Admin wants us to work on some new initiative, so we need to revamp our lessons to fit this new initiative. Think about all of the things that go into a lesson. It isn't just planning the lesson, it is making copies (we are lucky if we have a working copier, then add in waiting in line, fixing the jam), setting up the room, etc. This is day after day. Each lesson requires this set up. All of this takes time. And the sub shortage hasn't gone away, so we are covering classes. And for every student with an IEP we are completing teacher reports, quarterly reports and gathering data. If I have 30 students with IEPs, that takes up a significant amount of time. I have to contact parents of students who are failing. All of this comes out of my planning time. Throw in some student issue, now I have to contact the counselor and the parent. That quick phone call ends up taking 30 minutes, there goes my planning time.



We are promised a "30 minute duty free- and UNPAID lunch"
I have worked elementary and secondary. At elementary level, you lose a guaranteed 5 minutes at minimum to dropping off and/or picking up your class from lunch/recess. In secondary, you typically lose a few due monitoring the increasingly monstrous hallway behaviors. In BOTH levels, you lose 10 to the copy machine that was jammed during your planning time, or the other 3 times you tried so far that week.

Please just be kind. There are so many things out of our control and so many people to please. You want less screen time, but our copiers are "refurbished" from 1985. You want us to be tech-savvy, but we're forced to use 3 different platforms in hopes you (the parents) might interact with one.

WE ARE TRYING!

Also, understand that because YOU have attended school before does not make you an expert on "SCHOOL." I have found that many adults simplify what school should be based on their own experiences. I have never been a surgeon, so I wouldn't tell one what to do differently when they are working on my child. But since everyone has had a school experience, many seem emboldened to tell the teacher what they are doing wrong without seeing the broad picture of what we are tasked with everyday to make 30+ children progress (and hopefully LEARN) day to day. School is not the same as when you attended. You are not an expert.

***Most importantly, never send your kids to school with RoseArt crayons. They are legit trash.
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Anonymous wrote:Do general education teachers receive any training in how to teach or even how to understand SN children? Are teachers aware of what adhd, autism, etc are? So many are mainstreamed into general Ed that SN teachers aren't even in their lives.


Yes. Every teacher needs to take at least 6 credits of special education classes to be certified. We also receive ongoing PD.

What we don’t receive are a lot of additional resources or support. I’ve had classes in which 1/3 of my students have 504s and IEPs.


This. Plus, there are many students with other special needs among the remaining 2/3. Often 1/3 are English language learners (or in MCPS, Emerging Multilingual Learners), some of whom might have other needs as well: FARMS and EML, IEP and EML, 504 and EML, or GT and EML. I’ve taught triple-coded and even quadruple coded students in classrooms with 10 IEP/504 students without a second adult to assist.


And, this is where parent volunteers could come in and help.


I don't mean this in a rude way, but parent volunteers who are not trained to work with high needs population would not be helpful in anyway, and could end up doing more harm that good.


You realize some of us are trained and some of us have more training than some of the teachers. Don't make assumptions about all parents. What do you think the paraprofessional qualifications are? They do the bulk of the work with the kids. Many don't have college degrees let alone in teaching or a helping profession.


Yep. I am not trained, but my mom worked with high needs populations for the NYC Dept of Education for 15 years. She has been in countless IEP meetings and has advocated for the needs of all sorts of kids. She continues to work as a housing advocate, and ends up helping the individuals in her caseload with countless other things too, including custody, access to SNAP and SSI, etc.

You probably would look at her and think she’s just another rich white woman. She is, but she takes the subway every day from Manhattan to Bed-Stuy and Queens to help very high needs individuals and their families access the services they need.
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Anonymous wrote:Don’t expect much. I literally only get 18 seconds per school day to think and plan for YOUR kid. 0.8 part time teacher = 36 minutes/day planning time with over 100 students


This would be my message, too. We are overwhelmed and we get very little time during the work day to actually get work done. I’m lucky if I get 30 minutes a day to respond to emails, look at data for all 140 students, plan lessons, grade papers, call parents, eat lunch, and go to the bathroom.



I’m not arguing but can you explain what happens to your time? You are supposed to get an hour planning/grading time per day plus a 45 minute lunch. And then some time after school. Are they making you cover other classes during your break? Or attend meetings? This seems like the kind of thing that could be grieved.


Do you understand that a 30 minute duty free lunch means that we should not be using that time to email/plan? We are using that time to eat. All of the planning time is not individual planning, some is sitting in meetings, analyzing data. Admin wants us to work on some new initiative, so we need to revamp our lessons to fit this new initiative. Think about all of the things that go into a lesson. It isn't just planning the lesson, it is making copies (we are lucky if we have a working copier, then add in waiting in line, fixing the jam), setting up the room, etc. This is day after day. Each lesson requires this set up. All of this takes time. And the sub shortage hasn't gone away, so we are covering classes. And for every student with an IEP we are completing teacher reports, quarterly reports and gathering data. If I have 30 students with IEPs, that takes up a significant amount of time. I have to contact parents of students who are failing. All of this comes out of my planning time. Throw in some student issue, now I have to contact the counselor and the parent. That quick phone call ends up taking 30 minutes, there goes my planning time.



We are promised a "30 minute duty free- and UNPAID lunch"
I have worked elementary and secondary. At elementary level, you lose a guaranteed 5 minutes at minimum to dropping off and/or picking up your class from lunch/recess. In secondary, you typically lose a few due monitoring the increasingly monstrous hallway behaviors. In BOTH levels, you lose 10 to the copy machine that was jammed during your planning time, or the other 3 times you tried so far that week.

Please just be kind. There are so many things out of our control and so many people to please. You want less screen time, but our copiers are "refurbished" from 1985. You want us to be tech-savvy, but we're forced to use 3 different platforms in hopes you (the parents) might interact with one.

WE ARE TRYING!

Also, understand that because YOU have attended school before does not make you an expert on "SCHOOL." I have found that many adults simplify what school should be based on their own experiences. I have never been a surgeon, so I wouldn't tell one what to do differently when they are working on my child. But since everyone has had a school experience, many seem emboldened to tell the teacher what they are doing wrong without seeing the broad picture of what we are tasked with everyday to make 30+ children progress (and hopefully LEARN) day to day. School is not the same as when you attended. You are not an expert.

***Most importantly, never send your kids to school with RoseArt crayons. They are legit trash.


When you don’t allow kids to keep their own stuff you get the cheap stuff. I’ll send in extras in case they break or kids don’t have any.
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There's a reason I send my kids to private school. MCPS is on the decline.
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Anonymous wrote:There's a reason I send my kids to private school. MCPS is on the decline.



Private schools have their own set of issues. Like how they are in the business of keeping things “private”. You don’t know about any of the scandals because there is even less accountability for private schools in the state of MD than public.
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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away


+1. And most of these times it's supervisors who tell us what to say and agree. It's not pretty but this is honest because the system refuses to staff appropriately.


You have a very strange concept of “honest.” Agreeing to provide something in an IEP that you know you will not be able to provide is not consistent with any definition of “honest” that I’m aware of.


We literally are NOT allowed to say we can’t provide it. What don’t you get about that?


You can certainly say you *won’t* provide it. And if you know you’re not going to, how would it be “honest” to say otherwise?

Obviously that could lead to due process complaints if those services/supports are really warranted. But if it makes you feel any better, that process is so corrupt in Maryland that parents literally never win.


I am a sp ed mom. Lying doesn't stop at IEP. Because once they agreed to do something to make the parents "go away" - the teachers have to collect data, enter it in the system and report twice a year. So it's not just semi-innocent forced-by-administration lie. Every teacher that agreed to do something they know they can't/won't do also has to forge records, make up data and lie in writing on the mid-year and end-year progress report. It's not an innocent, "my hands are tied" situation. This is active forgery to circumvent a federal law (IDEA). You absolutely can take it to your prised union and refuse to forge records to your administrator.


I quit teaching Sped classes at one school for this very reason. I was set up to fail and nobody - the admin, the lawyers, the parents - cared. I was literally told to be in two places at once or my job would be in jeopardy. When I tried to explain that I’m not superhuman and I physically can’t do what was required, I was threaded. So I quit. This is why we have such a shortage. Sped teachers can’t perform miracles no matter how much the paperwork and the parents demand it.


It's not "paperwork" - it's federal laws. If you and your sped colleagues refused to lie and forge, admin would have to request additional resources. And you have union protection, so what can admin threaten? That they will break your fingers?

What everybody knows is that MoCo is the richest county in the state, and one of the richest in the nation. MCPS has a 3 billion $ annual budget. It spends upwards of 20 million a year on lawyers to fight IEPs. It spent a million on a study done by outside consultants how to re-divide budgets of PTAs made up of parent donations in the name of equity (that's not public money and not MCPS domain to begin with). Of course they didn't implement anything from that study, because parents would simply stop donating if it went to a MCPS office that channeled it to some other schools. All this malarkey they somehow have money for. But they scrimp and save on sped, paras, etc PRECISELY because educators and schools keep mum and lie to parents. You understand who it's not poor you? It's you who enables this vicious cycle.
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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away


+1. And most of these times it's supervisors who tell us what to say and agree. It's not pretty but this is honest because the system refuses to staff appropriately.


You have a very strange concept of “honest.” Agreeing to provide something in an IEP that you know you will not be able to provide is not consistent with any definition of “honest” that I’m aware of.


We literally are NOT allowed to say we can’t provide it. What don’t you get about that?


You can certainly say you *won’t* provide it. And if you know you’re not going to, how would it be “honest” to say otherwise?

Obviously that could lead to due process complaints if those services/supports are really warranted. But if it makes you feel any better, that process is so corrupt in Maryland that parents literally never win.


I am a sp ed mom. Lying doesn't stop at IEP. Because once they agreed to do something to make the parents "go away" - the teachers have to collect data, enter it in the system and report twice a year. So it's not just semi-innocent forced-by-administration lie. Every teacher that agreed to do something they know they can't/won't do also has to forge records, make up data and lie in writing on the mid-year and end-year progress report. It's not an innocent, "my hands are tied" situation. This is active forgery to circumvent a federal law (IDEA). You absolutely can take it to your prised union and refuse to forge records to your administrator.


I quit teaching Sped classes at one school for this very reason. I was set up to fail and nobody - the admin, the lawyers, the parents - cared. I was literally told to be in two places at once or my job would be in jeopardy. When I tried to explain that I’m not superhuman and I physically can’t do what was required, I was threaded. So I quit. This is why we have such a shortage. Sped teachers can’t perform miracles no matter how much the paperwork and the parents demand it.


It's not "paperwork" - it's federal laws. If you and your sped colleagues refused to lie and forge, admin would have to request additional resources. And you have union protection, so what can admin threaten? That they will break your fingers?

What everybody knows is that MoCo is the richest county in the state, and one of the richest in the nation. MCPS has a 3 billion $ annual budget. It spends upwards of 20 million a year on lawyers to fight IEPs. It spent a million on a study done by outside consultants how to re-divide budgets of PTAs made up of parent donations in the name of equity (that's not public money and not MCPS domain to begin with). Of course they didn't implement anything from that study, because parents would simply stop donating if it went to a MCPS office that channeled it to some other schools. All this malarkey they somehow have money for. But they scrimp and save on sped, paras, etc PRECISELY because educators and schools keep mum and lie to parents. You understand who it's not poor you? It's you who enables this vicious cycle.


Exactly. I used to have sympathy for classroom teachers with students with significant support needs, but this thread demonstrates they are largely responsible for the mess that MCPS has created in special education.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m not a special education teacher but a general education teacher. From what I have seen, no one is trying to lie and hide things on purpose. The special education team at my school genuinely cares about kids and advocates for them. It just becomes impossible sometimes to provide all the supports that some students need. The staff is overwhelmed. Some iep meetings take several hours and that is just for one student. Some parents can also be unreasonable and unrealistic. Lawsuits happen frequently and cause additional stress along with an extra deluge of paperwork.


This is like saying it's impossible for me to stop at all stop signs and red lights. It slows me down, increases gas consumption, wears out brake pads. Sped is governed by a federal law. It's literally your school's admin's job to request the resources. So why bother them with that, right, it's not nice to force the admin to their job and the central to do their job? Why make noise to all these important people who allocate budgets. Instead, in your head you call it "it just becomes impossible" and poof, it's just an amorphous concept. Nobody to blame, it's just how it is. No, dude, no.

Reminds me how they said about Vietnam war in the end "Mistakes were made". Decision makers f'ed up big time, costing lives and resources, hiding their failures, etc... Buck stops somewhere, always. You're enabling people who get paid to allocate resources by pretending that no big deal is happening here.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m not a special education teacher but a general education teacher. From what I have seen, no one is trying to lie and hide things on purpose. The special education team at my school genuinely cares about kids and advocates for them. It just becomes impossible sometimes to provide all the supports that some students need. The staff is overwhelmed. Some iep meetings take several hours and that is just for one student. Some parents can also be unreasonable and unrealistic. Lawsuits happen frequently and cause additional stress along with an extra deluge of paperwork.


Our best teacher which was only one year tried hard to advocate for our child and was denied at every point. She was fantastic and the only one who took the time to get our kid. The special education teacher did not get the issues at all. What may seem unreasonable to you may not be and just unrealistic for you do you call it unreasonable. Kids can be complex but it’s the kids who are quiet and not demanding who are often the ones who need the most help who get ignored.


Classroom sizes need to be smaller. It is impossible to give all students the attention they need given standard class sizes in MCPS. And for a general education teacher, all kids need attention and support to thrive whether they are high performing, low performing, special needs or not, quiet or outgoing. Every single child in the classroom needs/wants attention. This means the teacher only has a limited amount of time to devote to students with IEPs which is often difficult for some parents to understand. HS classes can often be 30-35 students.


Class size is a political issue that goes beyond MCPS. The county keeps authorizing more and more development without making plans for corresponding increases in infrastructure and public services. More taxpayers but not more services for them. Horrendous traffic, overcrowded metro, class size, etc. all stem from here. The county's demographer is either a biggest moron or biggest hypocrite on the public payroll. I've seen assessment of impact for one of developments in whitman pyramid and they claimed that 400+ residential units will only contribute 20-30 more students to the local ES. People rent in this cluster to get their kids into public schools, but the county uses some 1960s methodology that says that SFH typically send kids to schools, and those who live in apartments are seniors or single young professionals... Honestly, the more i live in MoCo the less democrat I am becoming.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m not a special education teacher but a general education teacher. From what I have seen, no one is trying to lie and hide things on purpose. The special education team at my school genuinely cares about kids and advocates for them. It just becomes impossible sometimes to provide all the supports that some students need. The staff is overwhelmed. Some iep meetings take several hours and that is just for one student. Some parents can also be unreasonable and unrealistic. Lawsuits happen frequently and cause additional stress along with an extra deluge of paperwork.


This is like saying it's impossible for me to stop at all stop signs and red lights. It slows me down, increases gas consumption, wears out brake pads. Sped is governed by a federal law. It's literally your school's admin's job to request the resources. So why bother them with that, right, it's not nice to force the admin to their job and the central to do their job? Why make noise to all these important people who allocate budgets. Instead, in your head you call it "it just becomes impossible" and poof, it's just an amorphous concept. Nobody to blame, it's just how it is. No, dude, no.

Reminds me how they said about Vietnam war in the end "Mistakes were made". Decision makers f'ed up big time, costing lives and resources, hiding their failures, etc... Buck stops somewhere, always. You're enabling people who get paid to allocate resources by pretending that no big deal is happening here.


No, for your analogy to work there would have to be 15-20 signs at every intersection. All of them are there for a reason, and all of them deserve to be followed. Good luck trying to follow all of them at once!

I'm a parent of a kid with an IEP who has had an awful time in MCPS. We have an advocate, and while that helps tremendously it doesn't change the number of staff available at school on a given day (unless you're talking about a 1:1 being part of a plan). I definitely agree there are some people who should not be teaching at all and definitely not teaching special education students. We have definitely been at schools were staff were actively being difficult to push special needs kids out. But unless you have spent time in a classroom recently, you just don't understand how thinly stretched gen ed and special ed teachers are right now. There are a lot of really good teachers who genuinely want to help every kid in their class and on their caseload and it's just not possible.
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No schools in the US have small class sizes except those that are Title One and Focus schools as the schools get extra money from the feds in ES to offer that.
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Anonymous wrote:Depends - if they have an iep? I’d tell them that most of the services are delivered by the general Ed teacher because inclusion spec Ed teachers are stretched too thin and we spend so much time on paperwork and not with kids. I’d also tell them no matter what they “advocate for” in the iep, it doesn’t actually happen during the school day due to limited resources and time so half the time we just agree to make you go away


+1. And most of these times it's supervisors who tell us what to say and agree. It's not pretty but this is honest because the system refuses to staff appropriately.


You have a very strange concept of “honest.” Agreeing to provide something in an IEP that you know you will not be able to provide is not consistent with any definition of “honest” that I’m aware of.


We literally are NOT allowed to say we can’t provide it. What don’t you get about that?


You can certainly say you *won’t* provide it. And if you know you’re not going to, how would it be “honest” to say otherwise?

Obviously that could lead to due process complaints if those services/supports are really warranted. But if it makes you feel any better, that process is so corrupt in Maryland that parents literally never win.


I am a sp ed mom. Lying doesn't stop at IEP. Because once they agreed to do something to make the parents "go away" - the teachers have to collect data, enter it in the system and report twice a year. So it's not just semi-innocent forced-by-administration lie. Every teacher that agreed to do something they know they can't/won't do also has to forge records, make up data and lie in writing on the mid-year and end-year progress report. It's not an innocent, "my hands are tied" situation. This is active forgery to circumvent a federal law (IDEA). You absolutely can take it to your prised union and refuse to forge records to your administrator.


I quit teaching Sped classes at one school for this very reason. I was set up to fail and nobody - the admin, the lawyers, the parents - cared. I was literally told to be in two places at once or my job would be in jeopardy. When I tried to explain that I’m not superhuman and I physically can’t do what was required, I was threaded. So I quit. This is why we have such a shortage. Sped teachers can’t perform miracles no matter how much the paperwork and the parents demand it.


It's not "paperwork" - it's federal laws. If you and your sped colleagues refused to lie and forge, admin would have to request additional resources. And you have union protection, so what can admin threaten? That they will break your fingers?

What everybody knows is that MoCo is the richest county in the state, and one of the richest in the nation. MCPS has a 3 billion $ annual budget. It spends upwards of 20 million a year on lawyers to fight IEPs. It spent a million on a study done by outside consultants how to re-divide budgets of PTAs made up of parent donations in the name of equity (that's not public money and not MCPS domain to begin with). Of course they didn't implement anything from that study, because parents would simply stop donating if it went to a MCPS office that channeled it to some other schools. All this malarkey they somehow have money for. But they scrimp and save on sped, paras, etc PRECISELY because educators and schools keep mum and lie to parents. You understand who it's not poor you? It's you who enables this vicious cycle.


Nope. I’m not going to take the blame for you. I quit because I LITERALLY COULD NOT DO what I was being told to do. I’m saying NO HUMAN would be able to do what I was told to do without being gifted supernatural abilities. Instead of lying, I stood up for myself. When I was threatened, I quit.

You can say that I “enabled the vicious cycle” and I’ll call you out on that. You will not get away with bullying me. I’ve been down that road.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m not a special education teacher but a general education teacher. From what I have seen, no one is trying to lie and hide things on purpose. The special education team at my school genuinely cares about kids and advocates for them. It just becomes impossible sometimes to provide all the supports that some students need. The staff is overwhelmed. Some iep meetings take several hours and that is just for one student. Some parents can also be unreasonable and unrealistic. Lawsuits happen frequently and cause additional stress along with an extra deluge of paperwork.


This is like saying it's impossible for me to stop at all stop signs and red lights. It slows me down, increases gas consumption, wears out brake pads. Sped is governed by a federal law. It's literally your school's admin's job to request the resources. So why bother them with that, right, it's not nice to force the admin to their job and the central to do their job? Why make noise to all these important people who allocate budgets. Instead, in your head you call it "it just becomes impossible" and poof, it's just an amorphous concept. Nobody to blame, it's just how it is. No, dude, no.

Reminds me how they said about Vietnam war in the end "Mistakes were made". Decision makers f'ed up big time, costing lives and resources, hiding their failures, etc... Buck stops somewhere, always. You're enabling people who get paid to allocate resources by pretending that no big deal is happening here.


No, for your analogy to work there would have to be 15-20 signs at every intersection. All of them are there for a reason, and all of them deserve to be followed. Good luck trying to follow all of them at once!

I'm a parent of a kid with an IEP who has had an awful time in MCPS. We have an advocate, and while that helps tremendously it doesn't change the number of staff available at school on a given day (unless you're talking about a 1:1 being part of a plan). I definitely agree there are some people who should not be teaching at all and definitely not teaching special education students. We have definitely been at schools were staff were actively being difficult to push special needs kids out. But unless you have spent time in a classroom recently, you just don't understand how thinly stretched gen ed and special ed teachers are right now. There are a lot of really good teachers who genuinely want to help every kid in their class and on their caseload and it's just not possible.


I think you are failing to grasp what I am saying. Schools (ie. admins) have to request more resources, the school district is legally obligated to provide them. These resources are based on IEP and needs (e.g. 1:1 paraeducator, increased hrs of speech or OT would necessitate allocation of SLP or OT accordingly, small group instruction would require additional staff in classrooms). This is not happening because teachers lie in IEP meetings and in IEP reporting and paperwork. It's that lie that enables the school to pretend that they don't need more para educators, more sped teachers, etc. There is a cause and effect, you see where I am going? If admin and teachers pretend something, then they don't get funding for what's really happening. This is how big classrooms and lack of staffing happens. It doesn't materialize from spare molecules. Admin and teachers create this situation. Woe is me overstretched teacher who lied in an IEP meeting pushed themselves into that corner. How they don't get it is beyond me.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m not a special education teacher but a general education teacher. From what I have seen, no one is trying to lie and hide things on purpose. The special education team at my school genuinely cares about kids and advocates for them. It just becomes impossible sometimes to provide all the supports that some students need. The staff is overwhelmed. Some iep meetings take several hours and that is just for one student. Some parents can also be unreasonable and unrealistic. Lawsuits happen frequently and cause additional stress along with an extra deluge of paperwork.


This is like saying it's impossible for me to stop at all stop signs and red lights. It slows me down, increases gas consumption, wears out brake pads. Sped is governed by a federal law. It's literally your school's admin's job to request the resources. So why bother them with that, right, it's not nice to force the admin to their job and the central to do their job? Why make noise to all these important people who allocate budgets. Instead, in your head you call it "it just becomes impossible" and poof, it's just an amorphous concept. Nobody to blame, it's just how it is. No, dude, no.

Reminds me how they said about Vietnam war in the end "Mistakes were made". Decision makers f'ed up big time, costing lives and resources, hiding their failures, etc... Buck stops somewhere, always. You're enabling people who get paid to allocate resources by pretending that no big deal is happening here.


No, for your analogy to work there would have to be 15-20 signs at every intersection. All of them are there for a reason, and all of them deserve to be followed. Good luck trying to follow all of them at once!

I'm a parent of a kid with an IEP who has had an awful time in MCPS. We have an advocate, and while that helps tremendously it doesn't change the number of staff available at school on a given day (unless you're talking about a 1:1 being part of a plan). I definitely agree there are some people who should not be teaching at all and definitely not teaching special education students. We have definitely been at schools were staff were actively being difficult to push special needs kids out. But unless you have spent time in a classroom recently, you just don't understand how thinly stretched gen ed and special ed teachers are right now. There are a lot of really good teachers who genuinely want to help every kid in their class and on their caseload and it's just not possible.


I think you are failing to grasp what I am saying. Schools (ie. admins) have to request more resources, the school district is legally obligated to provide them. These resources are based on IEP and needs (e.g. 1:1 paraeducator, increased hrs of speech or OT would necessitate allocation of SLP or OT accordingly, small group instruction would require additional staff in classrooms). This is not happening because teachers lie in IEP meetings and in IEP reporting and paperwork. It's that lie that enables the school to pretend that they don't need more para educators, more sped teachers, etc. There is a cause and effect, you see where I am going? If admin and teachers pretend something, then they don't get funding for what's really happening. This is how big classrooms and lack of staffing happens. It doesn't materialize from spare molecules. Admin and teachers create this situation. Woe is me overstretched teacher who lied in an IEP meeting pushed themselves into that corner. How they don't get it is beyond me.


I grasp what you are saying, and I think you're incorrect. Yes, schools can add more hours to a kid's plan, and if that happens to enough kids at the same school hours for staffing allocations go up. But what you're not grasping is the staffing problem that especially affects special ed. You can create a position, but if there's no person to fill it, those newly allocated hours go unfilled. My own kid's program is short staffed right now, so I'm living this. The staff this school does have will do their best to make things work while crossing their fingers and hoping more staff will be hired soon. My advocate coming in for a meeting can't make people apply to these positions. A lawyer getting involved can't hire staff that don't exist.

I do think it would help to fill special ed para positions if they were all listed as permanent positions with benefits rather than temporary part time, but that's another discussion.
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