College Football--Big Ten Expansion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Virginia, North Carolina will be added to the B1G. Virginia has issues 1) the grant of rights killer 2) not a big enough alumni base 3) NOVA big ten alumni have their teams running through UMD inside the beltway 4) no way politically to leave larger Virginia Tech behind. Same goes for North Carolina except the proximity to UMD issue. North Carolina has the same issue with larger NC state… not enough alumni and grant of rights.

Great points. Everything that you wrote makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In 2036 when the GOR is up the big 12 and ACC will reorganize with teams shifting.

The Big Ten is only interested in Florida, Texas and Notre Dame at this point. The money per school is reduced with any other schools. Oregon, Washington or Arizona May be considered just to help geographically and maybe not lose too much money per school.

Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Iowa State, San Diego St, Byu, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia, Connecticut, Texas Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, NC state, Virginia
Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt,

Will form a 28 team coast to coast conference.
It will be nice with an east and west divisions
The Dukes of the world will join the Big East.

The Big Ten and SEC will pull away money-wise. The Big Ten with huge alumni bases has adopted an NFL model rolling teams through major markets with huge big ten alumni populations….a genius strategy.

(OP again)

I love this post, but I am concerned about starting a war with the SEC. What could the Big Ten Conference do to compensate the SEC for Texas & U Florida ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2036 when the GOR is up the big 12 and ACC will reorganize with teams shifting.

The Big Ten is only interested in Florida, Texas and Notre Dame at this point. The money per school is reduced with any other schools. Oregon, Washington or Arizona May be considered just to help geographically and maybe not lose too much money per school.

Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Iowa State, San Diego St, Byu, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia, Connecticut, Texas Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, NC state, Virginia
Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt,

Will form a 28 team coast to coast conference.
It will be nice with an east and west divisions
The Dukes of the world will join the Big East.

The Big Ten and SEC will pull away money-wise. The Big Ten with huge alumni bases has adopted an NFL model rolling teams through major markets with huge big ten alumni populations….a genius strategy.

(OP again)

I love this post, but I am concerned about starting a war with the SEC. What could the Big Ten Conference do to compensate the SEC for Texas & U Florida ?

SEC would take Florida State and Maybe UNC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2036 when the GOR is up the big 12 and ACC will reorganize with teams shifting.

The Big Ten is only interested in Florida, Texas and Notre Dame at this point. The money per school is reduced with any other schools. Oregon, Washington or Arizona May be considered just to help geographically and maybe not lose too much money per school.

Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Iowa State, San Diego St, Byu, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia, Connecticut, Texas Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, NC state, Virginia
Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt,

Will form a 28 team coast to coast conference.
It will be nice with an east and west divisions
The Dukes of the world will join the Big East.

The Big Ten and SEC will pull away money-wise. The Big Ten with huge alumni bases has adopted an NFL model rolling teams through major markets with huge big ten alumni populations….a genius strategy.

(OP again)

I love this post, but I am concerned about starting a war with the SEC. What could the Big Ten Conference do to compensate the SEC for Texas & U Florida ?

SEC would take Florida State and Maybe UNC

What about Clemson ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2036 when the GOR is up the big 12 and ACC will reorganize with teams shifting.

The Big Ten is only interested in Florida, Texas and Notre Dame at this point. The money per school is reduced with any other schools. Oregon, Washington or Arizona May be considered just to help geographically and maybe not lose too much money per school.

Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Iowa State, San Diego St, Byu, Utah, Kansas, Nevada, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, West Virginia, Connecticut, Texas Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, NC state, Virginia
Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pitt,

Will form a 28 team coast to coast conference.
It will be nice with an east and west divisions
The Dukes of the world will join the Big East.

The Big Ten and SEC will pull away money-wise. The Big Ten with huge alumni bases has adopted an NFL model rolling teams through major markets with huge big ten alumni populations….a genius strategy.

(OP again)

I love this post, but I am concerned about starting a war with the SEC. What could the Big Ten Conference do to compensate the SEC for Texas & U Florida ?

SEC would take Florida State and Maybe UNC

What about Clemson ?

Clemson might be screwed with small alumni base, fairly small state, already SEC South Carolina in the market. Will end up Big 12

[Anonymous]

Texas isn't changing again any time soon. Notre Dame is trying to remain independent. If the ACC falls apart, the B1G including USC is the natural home both athletically, geographically and academically. Florida isn't leaving the SEC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Texas isn't changing again any time soon. Notre Dame is trying to remain independent. If the ACC falls apart, the B1G including USC is the natural home both athletically, geographically and academically. Florida isn't leaving the SEC.

The only school that would increase B1G revenue per school in the ACC is Florida State. The rest are not lucrative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Texas isn't changing again any time soon. Notre Dame is trying to remain independent. If the ACC falls apart, the B1G including USC is the natural home both athletically, geographically and academically. Florida isn't leaving the SEC.

Everything that you wrote makes sense, but I want to believe that Notre Dame will have a come to Jesus moment, realize the error of their ways, and join the Big Ten Conference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Texas isn't changing again any time soon. Notre Dame is trying to remain independent. If the ACC falls apart, the B1G including USC is the natural home both athletically, geographically and academically. Florida isn't leaving the SEC.

Everything that you wrote makes sense, but I want to believe that Notre Dame will have a come to Jesus moment, realize the error of their ways, and join the Big Ten Conference.

It won’t be a come to Jesus moment. I’d say it would be a come to Benjamin, as in Franklin, moment.

[Anonymous]

The University of Washington in Seattle is a research powerhouse--usually ranking at #4 or #5 in the nation for annual R&D expenditures--with a solid football program in the 12th largest media market and, therefore, would be a good catch for the Big Ten Conference along with Phil Knight's (Nike) University of Oregon Ducks. Plus, the Big Ten needs to lessen the travel burdens of USC & UCLA.

While the Big Ten Conference press releases have suggested that the conference is not currently interested in expanding further, these statements may be to protect the conference from being sued by the remnants of the Pac-12 Conference for destroying that conference. Not really much risk now as Colorado has announced its departure for the Big 12 Conference and the Pac-12 has been unable to secure any significant TV deal to replace its expiring contract.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The University of Washington in Seattle is a research powerhouse--usually ranking at #4 or #5 in the nation for annual R&D expenditures--with a solid football program in the 12th largest media market and, therefore, would be a good catch for the Big Ten Conference along with Phil Knight's (Nike) University of Oregon Ducks. Plus, the Big Ten needs to lessen the travel burdens of USC & UCLA.

While the Big Ten Conference press releases have suggested that the conference is not currently interested in expanding further, these statements may be to protect the conference from being sued by the remnants of the Pac-12 Conference for destroying that conference. Not really much risk now as Colorado has announced its departure for the Big 12 Conference and the Pac-12 has been unable to secure any significant TV deal to replace its expiring contract.

I wonder if Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State eventually put the brakes on adding schools that can compete for conference championships. Adding Washington is fine, but Oregon makes the road for existing schools that much harder. A patsy like MD or Rutgers that expands the footprint may be more attractive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Berkeley and Stanford for sure. The prestige is too great and there will be a need for most west coast teams. The other three will be top schools in the east. UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami (if they clean up their act) for example.

Nothing sure about the Big Ten Conference extending offers to either Stanford or to UCal-Berkeley. In fact, UCLA has an agreement to pay UCal-Berkeley several million dollars in a deal brokered by the regents of the state of California for the harm caused to Berkeley's athletic dept. by UCLA's move to a different conference. Payment was probably necessary because--at that time--the Big Ten Conference did not want UCAl-Berkeley. Actually, the Big Ten Conference wanted just USC & Notre Dame, but ND refused the offer so cash strapped UCLA jumped at the chance to join USC in a move from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten Conference.

Stanford might be an attractive lure for Notre Dame due to the ND-Stanford rivalry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University of Washington in Seattle is a research powerhouse--usually ranking at #4 or #5 in the nation for annual R&D expenditures--with a solid football program in the 12th largest media market and, therefore, would be a good catch for the Big Ten Conference along with Phil Knight's (Nike) University of Oregon Ducks. Plus, the Big Ten needs to lessen the travel burdens of USC & UCLA.

While the Big Ten Conference press releases have suggested that the conference is not currently interested in expanding further, these statements may be to protect the conference from being sued by the remnants of the Pac-12 Conference for destroying that conference. Not really much risk now as Colorado has announced its departure for the Big 12 Conference and the Pac-12 has been unable to secure any significant TV deal to replace its expiring contract.

I wonder if Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State eventually put the brakes on adding schools that can compete for conference championships. Adding Washington is fine, but Oregon makes the road for existing schools that much harder. A patsy like MD or Rutgers that expands the footprint may be more attractive.

A main concern of schools is to protect their respective primary recruiting territory. Accordingly, Penn State might object to adding the University of Pittsburgh, Ohio State /U Cincinnati, just as SEC member University of Florida is likely to object to the addition of FSU or U Miami to the SEC.

While Conference Championships are important, the CFP (college football playoff) system offers major money to teams which is split among that team's conference; therefore, the more teams that make it to the 12 team CFP, the more money for members of the conference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University of Washington in Seattle is a research powerhouse--usually ranking at #4 or #5 in the nation for annual R&D expenditures--with a solid football program in the 12th largest media market and, therefore, would be a good catch for the Big Ten Conference along with Phil Knight's (Nike) University of Oregon Ducks. Plus, the Big Ten needs to lessen the travel burdens of USC & UCLA.

While the Big Ten Conference press releases have suggested that the conference is not currently interested in expanding further, these statements may be to protect the conference from being sued by the remnants of the Pac-12 Conference for destroying that conference. Not really much risk now as Colorado has announced its departure for the Big 12 Conference and the Pac-12 has been unable to secure any significant TV deal to replace its expiring contract.

I wonder if Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State eventually put the brakes on adding schools that can compete for conference championships. Adding Washington is fine, but Oregon makes the road for existing schools that much harder. A patsy like MD or Rutgers that expands the footprint may be more attractive.

A main concern of schools is to protect their respective primary recruiting territory. Accordingly, Penn State might object to adding the University of Pittsburgh, Ohio State /U Cincinnati, just as SEC member University of Florida is likely to object to the addition of FSU or U Miami to the SEC.

While Conference Championships are important, the CFP (college football playoff) system offers major money to teams which is split among that team's conference; therefore, the more teams that make it to the 12 team CFP, the more money for members of the conference.

Yes, but MD and Rutgers are in the Big10 because local cable bundles where the primary drivers of revenue. As that declines, I think it is an open question whether or not additional schools actually provide more revenue than they draw. The Big12 is in an amazing position because their TV deal provides that any new P5 teams increases the payout pro rata.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University of Washington in Seattle is a research powerhouse--usually ranking at #4 or #5 in the nation for annual R&D expenditures--with a solid football program in the 12th largest media market and, therefore, would be a good catch for the Big Ten Conference along with Phil Knight's (Nike) University of Oregon Ducks. Plus, the Big Ten needs to lessen the travel burdens of USC & UCLA.

While the Big Ten Conference press releases have suggested that the conference is not currently interested in expanding further, these statements may be to protect the conference from being sued by the remnants of the Pac-12 Conference for destroying that conference. Not really much risk now as Colorado has announced its departure for the Big 12 Conference and the Pac-12 has been unable to secure any significant TV deal to replace its expiring contract.

I wonder if Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State eventually put the brakes on adding schools that can compete for conference championships. Adding Washington is fine, but Oregon makes the road for existing schools that much harder. A patsy like MD or Rutgers that expands the footprint may be more attractive.

A main concern of schools is to protect their respective primary recruiting territory. Accordingly, Penn State might object to adding the University of Pittsburgh, Ohio State /U Cincinnati, just as SEC member University of Florida is likely to object to the addition of FSU or U Miami to the SEC.

While Conference Championships are important, the CFP (college football playoff) system offers major money to teams which is split among that team's conference; therefore, the more teams that make it to the 12 team CFP, the more money for members of the conference.

Yes, but MD and Rutgers are in the Big10 because local cable bundles where the primary drivers of revenue. As that declines, I think it is an open question whether or not additional schools actually provide more revenue than they draw. The Big12 is in an amazing position because their TV deal provides that any new P5 teams increases the payout pro rata.

The Big Ten Conference's TV contract also contains escalator clauses.