Started working at an elementary school last week. Shocked and sad. AMA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a bunch of dishonest fear mongering. I'm a mom who volunteers a lot in my kids schools. One of my kids has learning disabilities, they are mild. In 1st grade there was a mom who was so angry that a child with disabilities would be in her child's class, that she pulled her daughter out to homeschool her. She told me to my face that her kid shouldn't have to be in class with mine. My kid isn't intellectually disabled and doesn't have behavior issues. That shouldn't matter any way. You all are that mom.

You people who hate kids with disabilities need therapy.

So you met one nasty mom when your child was in first - and that’s awful. However, your argument is utterly without foundation if we’re talking about disruptions and evacuations. No one is “hating kids with disabilities” if they point out that a child that barricades themselves or makes violent threats is a problem and shouldn’t be ruining the school experience of many OTHER kids who are ALSO entitled to an education. It - and you - are so dishonest on that point!

Our country has since the Reagan presidency deliberately undercut school and other social service funding so unfortunately are who send to public legitimately feel they’re in a zero-sum game. But it’s actually refreshing to see people admit, even anonymously, that ODD and future conduct disorder Dx kids have no place nor innate right to terrify and ruin the educational opportunities of those around them. I have a feeling OP felt dismayed about the Newport News case, where that 6 year old almost killed his teacher. Lo and behind, super mom and super dad claim that their little sniper had “severe emotional disabilities.” To hell with ALL OF THEM and the administration. The non future murderer children have been traumatized, terrorized, were routinely evacuated, and after witnessing a teacher they probably were attatched to almost die, they miss a full 2 weeks of instruction after. But hey, LRE!

NO ONE is talking about your DD. No one is talking about dyslexia or OTs in class! Come on.

The administration at the school in Newport News ignored the warnings from teachers. You aren't going to see that in most schools. You are so dishonest in your attempt to make it seem like kids with behavior issues are in every class terrorizing your perfect children. Your hysterical view point is a threat to children with disabilities. The point of the previous post is that you crazy parents don't want your special snowflakes around ANY kids who may be different or in your minds, might slow down the class.

Your ignorance is not just annoying but dangerous for children with sns. There is a process for dealing with children like the one in NN. You have no idea what the parents were or were not doing. That area is known for being horrible wrt sns kids and the administration was probably not providing the supports required in the child's iep. This is on the administration.

Admit it the whole point of these posts is to segregate children with needs you don't understand.

I do think that we need tracking in our schools but that’s not what this thread is about. This thread is about getting really disruptive kids out of the classroom. You said that isn’t your daughter though, so you should calm down and get the chip off your shoulder. We aren’t talking about you.

[Anonymous]

I agree there are very important issues here which need to be addressed. I do not think any local school districts are poorly funded, however.

In any case, Education through grade 12 is a state/territory responsibility under the US Constitution, not a Federal responsibility. There also is case law about this, for example when “Massive Resistance” in VA was overturned decades ago. In any case, all local schools are well funded on a $/student basis. DCPS spends more per student than many states, for example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree there are very important issues here which need to be addressed. I do not think any local school districts are poorly funded, however.

In any case, Education through grade 12 is a state/territory responsibility under the US Constitution, not a Federal responsibility. There also is case law about this, for example when “Massive Resistance” in VA was overturned decades ago. In any case, all local schools are well funded on a $/student basis. DCPS spends more per student than many states, for example.

If education is a state responsibility then why do school systems have to comply with federal mandates re: special education?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a bunch of dishonest fear mongering. I'm a mom who volunteers a lot in my kids schools. One of my kids has learning disabilities, they are mild. In 1st grade there was a mom who was so angry that a child with disabilities would be in her child's class, that she pulled her daughter out to homeschool her. She told me to my face that her kid shouldn't have to be in class with mine. My kid isn't intellectually disabled and doesn't have behavior issues. That shouldn't matter any way. You all are that mom.

You people who hate kids with disabilities need therapy.

So you met one nasty mom when your child was in first - and that’s awful. However, your argument is utterly without foundation if we’re talking about disruptions and evacuations. No one is “hating kids with disabilities” if they point out that a child that barricades themselves or makes violent threats is a problem and shouldn’t be ruining the school experience of many OTHER kids who are ALSO entitled to an education. It - and you - are so dishonest on that point!

Our country has since the Reagan presidency deliberately undercut school and other social service funding so unfortunately are who send to public legitimately feel they’re in a zero-sum game. But it’s actually refreshing to see people admit, even anonymously, that ODD and future conduct disorder Dx kids have no place nor innate right to terrify and ruin the educational opportunities of those around them. I have a feeling OP felt dismayed about the Newport News case, where that 6 year old almost killed his teacher. Lo and behind, super mom and super dad claim that their little sniper had “severe emotional disabilities.” To hell with ALL OF THEM and the administration. The non future murderer children have been traumatized, terrorized, were routinely evacuated, and after witnessing a teacher they probably were attatched to almost die, they miss a full 2 weeks of instruction after. But hey, LRE!

NO ONE is talking about your DD. No one is talking about dyslexia or OTs in class! Come on.

The administration at the school in Newport News ignored the warnings from teachers. You aren't going to see that in most schools. You are so dishonest in your attempt to make it seem like kids with behavior issues are in every class terrorizing your perfect children. Your hysterical view point is a threat to children with disabilities. The point of the previous post is that you crazy parents don't want your special snowflakes around ANY kids who may be different or in your minds, might slow down the class.

Your ignorance is not just annoying but dangerous for children with sns. There is a process for dealing with children like the one in NN. You have no idea what the parents were or were not doing. That area is known for being horrible wrt sns kids and the administration was probably not providing the supports required in the child's iep. This is on the administration.

Admit it the whole point of these posts is to segregate children with needs you don't understand.

I do think that we need tracking in our schools but that’s not what this thread is about. This thread is about getting really disruptive kids out of the classroom. You said that isn’t your daughter though, so you should calm down and get the chip off your shoulder. We aren’t talking about you.

I don't care that you're not talking about my kid. Every single time there is a problem at the schools, the parents of nt kids come for the sns kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a bunch of dishonest fear mongering. I'm a mom who volunteers a lot in my kids schools. One of my kids has learning disabilities, they are mild. In 1st grade there was a mom who was so angry that a child with disabilities would be in her child's class, that she pulled her daughter out to homeschool her. She told me to my face that her kid shouldn't have to be in class with mine. My kid isn't intellectually disabled and doesn't have behavior issues. That shouldn't matter any way. You all are that mom.

You people who hate kids with disabilities need therapy.

It’s not fear-mothering to discuss the routine violence occurring in ES classrooms everyday. My kid is a moderately intellectually impaired but follows directions and particulates as best as she can. My husband and I can’t send her to public school because how is she going to interpret other kids throwing chairs, punching their “friends”, or kicking the teacher? How am I going to explain to her that so and so just has trouble controlling their feelings? How is she going to learn anything in a classroom that has to regularly be evacuated? How is she supposed to understand what to do or not do during Code Red? And God-forbid she gets smacked in the head with an object and they make her intellectually disability worse. How will I even know how she’s been hurt if the school doesn’t tell me? Do you see how these children with severe behaviors are disruptive to everyone? This is not about discriminating against SN. It’s about taking action against mayhem and violence.

Which you exaggerate at every turn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a bunch of dishonest fear mongering. I'm a mom who volunteers a lot in my kids schools. One of my kids has learning disabilities, they are mild. In 1st grade there was a mom who was so angry that a child with disabilities would be in her child's class, that she pulled her daughter out to homeschool her. She told me to my face that her kid shouldn't have to be in class with mine. My kid isn't intellectually disabled and doesn't have behavior issues. That shouldn't matter any way. You all are that mom.

You people who hate kids with disabilities need therapy.

So you met one nasty mom when your child was in first - and that’s awful. However, your argument is utterly without foundation if we’re talking about disruptions and evacuations. No one is “hating kids with disabilities” if they point out that a child that barricades themselves or makes violent threats is a problem and shouldn’t be ruining the school experience of many OTHER kids who are ALSO entitled to an education. It - and you - are so dishonest on that point!

Our country has since the Reagan presidency deliberately undercut school and other social service funding so unfortunately are who send to public legitimately feel they’re in a zero-sum game. But it’s actually refreshing to see people admit, even anonymously, that ODD and future conduct disorder Dx kids have no place nor innate right to terrify and ruin the educational opportunities of those around them. I have a feeling OP felt dismayed about the Newport News case, where that 6 year old almost killed his teacher. Lo and behind, super mom and super dad claim that their little sniper had “severe emotional disabilities.” To hell with ALL OF THEM and the administration. The non future murderer children have been traumatized, terrorized, were routinely evacuated, and after witnessing a teacher they probably were attatched to almost die, they miss a full 2 weeks of instruction after. But hey, LRE!

NO ONE is talking about your DD. No one is talking about dyslexia or OTs in class! Come on.

The administration at the school in Newport News ignored the warnings from teachers. You aren't going to see that in most schools. You are so dishonest in your attempt to make it seem like kids with behavior issues are in every class terrorizing your perfect children. Your hysterical view point is a threat to children with disabilities. The point of the previous post is that you crazy parents don't want your special snowflakes around ANY kids who may be different or in your minds, might slow down the class.

Your ignorance is not just annoying but dangerous for children with sns. There is a process for dealing with children like the one in NN. You have no idea what the parents were or were not doing. That area is known for being horrible wrt sns kids and the administration was probably not providing the supports required in the child's iep. This is on the administration.

Admit it the whole point of these posts is to segregate children with needs you don't understand.

I do think that we need tracking in our schools but that’s not what this thread is about. This thread is about getting really disruptive kids out of the classroom. You said that isn’t your daughter though, so you should calm down and get the chip off your shoulder. We aren’t talking about you.

I don't care that you're not talking about my kid. Every single time there is a problem at the schools, the parents of nt kids come for the sns kids.

If you were a a serious person and not just trying to cause trouble then you would never want your daughter linked together with violent and disruptive kids under the same label. You would agree with the rest of us that there are 2 completely different categories of “special needs” in our schools - those that negatively affect other kids and those that don’t. (Although some kids do have both)

Continuing to insist that there’s just one category really isn’t the best thing for your daughter or any of the other SN kids who can function just fine in our public schools without hurting other people, because unfortunately it’s the “SN” label that’s legally protecting those other kids and forcing everyone to suffer the consequences of having them in our classrooms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Federal Govt. doesn't agree with your discriminatory and ignorant opinions. Public schools are for all children, even the ones who you think have differences.

Thank you.

Or you could say public school is for all children, except the 24 kids who have to be evacuated from class.

You are such a liar. What you are referring to is an unusual occurrence.

The problem is, it's extremely unusual for many classes and extremely frequent for some classes. My daughter was evacuated several times a month last year in 4th grade. It hadn't happened at all up until that point because she had never been in a class with a child with those difficulties (or maybe the kids had been littler until than and less physically dangerous).
Should the fact that it was only her 4th grade homeroom effected mean that it's not a problem that she lost all that classroom time and also experienced that stress?

[Anonymous]

Step 1 is mandatory reporting of evacuations. Let parents who currently don’t “see” the violence realize it could easily be their child’s class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a bunch of dishonest fear mongering. I'm a mom who volunteers a lot in my kids schools. One of my kids has learning disabilities, they are mild. In 1st grade there was a mom who was so angry that a child with disabilities would be in her child's class, that she pulled her daughter out to homeschool her. She told me to my face that her kid shouldn't have to be in class with mine. My kid isn't intellectually disabled and doesn't have behavior issues. That shouldn't matter any way. You all are that mom.

You people who hate kids with disabilities need therapy.

So you met one nasty mom when your child was in first - and that’s awful. However, your argument is utterly without foundation if we’re talking about disruptions and evacuations. No one is “hating kids with disabilities” if they point out that a child that barricades themselves or makes violent threats is a problem and shouldn’t be ruining the school experience of many OTHER kids who are ALSO entitled to an education. It - and you - are so dishonest on that point!

Our country has since the Reagan presidency deliberately undercut school and other social service funding so unfortunately are who send to public legitimately feel they’re in a zero-sum game. But it’s actually refreshing to see people admit, even anonymously, that ODD and future conduct disorder Dx kids have no place nor innate right to terrify and ruin the educational opportunities of those around them. I have a feeling OP felt dismayed about the Newport News case, where that 6 year old almost killed his teacher. Lo and behind, super mom and super dad claim that their little sniper had “severe emotional disabilities.” To hell with ALL OF THEM and the administration. The non future murderer children have been traumatized, terrorized, were routinely evacuated, and after witnessing a teacher they probably were attatched to almost die, they miss a full 2 weeks of instruction after. But hey, LRE!

NO ONE is talking about your DD. No one is talking about dyslexia or OTs in class! Come on.

The administration at the school in Newport News ignored the warnings from teachers. You aren't going to see that in most schools. You are so dishonest in your attempt to make it seem like kids with behavior issues are in every class terrorizing your perfect children. Your hysterical view point is a threat to children with disabilities. The point of the previous post is that you crazy parents don't want your special snowflakes around ANY kids who may be different or in your minds, might slow down the class.

Your ignorance is not just annoying but dangerous for children with sns. There is a process for dealing with children like the one in NN. You have no idea what the parents were or were not doing. That area is known for being horrible wrt sns kids and the administration was probably not providing the supports required in the child's iep. This is on the administration.

Admit it the whole point of these posts is to segregate children with needs you don't understand.

I do think that we need tracking in our schools but that’s not what this thread is about. This thread is about getting really disruptive kids out of the classroom. You said that isn’t your daughter though, so you should calm down and get the chip off your shoulder. We aren’t talking about you.

I don't care that you're not talking about my kid. Every single time there is a problem at the schools, the parents of nt kids come for the sns kids.

That’s because if the nt kids create a problem (which of course happens) they can be and are disciplined. Not true of SN kids. My daughter was literally being punched, kicked and scratched by an ASD girl in her 5th grade class last year. Repeatedly. And we had photos and witnesses. And the only solution the school would offer us was to move OUR daughter to a new class. Absolute bull$hit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Step 1 is mandatory reporting of evacuations. Let parents who currently don’t “see” the violence realize it could easily be their child’s class.

Mandatory reporting to whom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a bunch of dishonest fear mongering. I'm a mom who volunteers a lot in my kids schools. One of my kids has learning disabilities, they are mild. In 1st grade there was a mom who was so angry that a child with disabilities would be in her child's class, that she pulled her daughter out to homeschool her. She told me to my face that her kid shouldn't have to be in class with mine. My kid isn't intellectually disabled and doesn't have behavior issues. That shouldn't matter any way. You all are that mom.

You people who hate kids with disabilities need therapy.

So you met one nasty mom when your child was in first - and that’s awful. However, your argument is utterly without foundation if we’re talking about disruptions and evacuations. No one is “hating kids with disabilities” if they point out that a child that barricades themselves or makes violent threats is a problem and shouldn’t be ruining the school experience of many OTHER kids who are ALSO entitled to an education. It - and you - are so dishonest on that point!

Our country has since the Reagan presidency deliberately undercut school and other social service funding so unfortunately are who send to public legitimately feel they’re in a zero-sum game. But it’s actually refreshing to see people admit, even anonymously, that ODD and future conduct disorder Dx kids have no place nor innate right to terrify and ruin the educational opportunities of those around them. I have a feeling OP felt dismayed about the Newport News case, where that 6 year old almost killed his teacher. Lo and behind, super mom and super dad claim that their little sniper had “severe emotional disabilities.” To hell with ALL OF THEM and the administration. The non future murderer children have been traumatized, terrorized, were routinely evacuated, and after witnessing a teacher they probably were attatched to almost die, they miss a full 2 weeks of instruction after. But hey, LRE!

NO ONE is talking about your DD. No one is talking about dyslexia or OTs in class! Come on.

The administration at the school in Newport News ignored the warnings from teachers. You aren't going to see that in most schools. You are so dishonest in your attempt to make it seem like kids with behavior issues are in every class terrorizing your perfect children. Your hysterical view point is a threat to children with disabilities. The point of the previous post is that you crazy parents don't want your special snowflakes around ANY kids who may be different or in your minds, might slow down the class.

Your ignorance is not just annoying but dangerous for children with sns. There is a process for dealing with children like the one in NN. You have no idea what the parents were or were not doing. That area is known for being horrible wrt sns kids and the administration was probably not providing the supports required in the child's iep. This is on the administration.

Admit it the whole point of these posts is to segregate children with needs you don't understand.

I do think that we need tracking in our schools but that’s not what this thread is about. This thread is about getting really disruptive kids out of the classroom. You said that isn’t your daughter though, so you should calm down and get the chip off your shoulder. We aren’t talking about you.

I don't care that you're not talking about my kid. Every single time there is a problem at the schools, the parents of nt kids come for the sns kids.

That’s because if the nt kids create a problem (which of course happens) they can be and are disciplined. Not true of SN kids. My daughter was literally being punched, kicked and scratched by an ASD girl in her 5th grade class last year. Repeatedly. And we had photos and witnesses. And the only solution the school would offer us was to move OUR daughter to a new class. Absolute bull$hit.

I would have called the police every single time. They obviously could do nothing, but the principal would at least have to deal with the paperwork and reporting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yea, this is why I spend a small fortune for my kids to go to a private school wtih classroom sizes no larger than 12 kids of which NONE are special needs or emotionally disturbed. Its all about having them in a peaceful learning environment and not having to be subjecte to kids who really should be in a contained classroom.

Inclusion classrooms are disrubtive.

Exhibit A of the intolerance and bigotry against all SN kids. Not just behavior issues, she said it directly here. Special needs.

To PP, shame on you.

Shut up fool

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yea, this is why I spend a small fortune for my kids to go to a private school wtih classroom sizes no larger than 12 kids of which NONE are special needs or emotionally disturbed. Its all about having them in a peaceful learning environment and not having to be subjecte to kids who really should be in a contained classroom.

Inclusion classrooms are disrubtive.

Exhibit A of the intolerance and bigotry against all SN kids. Not just behavior issues, she said it directly here. Special needs.

To PP, shame on you.

Shut up fool

You outed yourself as a bigot. True colors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yea, this is why I spend a small fortune for my kids to go to a private school wtih classroom sizes no larger than 12 kids of which NONE are special needs or emotionally disturbed. Its all about having them in a peaceful learning environment and not having to be subjecte to kids who really should be in a contained classroom.

Inclusion classrooms are disrubtive.

Exhibit A of the intolerance and bigotry against all SN kids. Not just behavior issues, she said it directly here. Special needs.

To PP, shame on you.

DP.

“Your liberty to swing your fist ends just where my nose begins.”

We don’t have to de okay with SN accommodations having a negative affect on other children. Of that is what happens every day, and we are allowed to balk. If that offends you, IDGAF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yea, this is why I spend a small fortune for my kids to go to a private school wtih classroom sizes no larger than 12 kids of which NONE are special needs or emotionally disturbed. Its all about having them in a peaceful learning environment and not having to be subjecte to kids who really should be in a contained classroom.

Inclusion classrooms are disrubtive.

Exhibit A of the intolerance and bigotry against all SN kids. Not just behavior issues, she said it directly here. Special needs.

To PP, shame on you.

DP.

“Your liberty to swing your fist ends just where my nose begins.”

We don’t have to de okay with SN accommodations having a negative affect on other children. Of that is what happens every day, and we are allowed to balk. If that offends you, IDGAF.

You're all very brave behind your anonymous posts. Bravo, warrior.