Should so called “thanksgiving” be a national day of mourning?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thanksgiving is a day during which the typical American stuffs their face with several thousand calories of fat, salt, and sugar before embarking on a three-week spree of buying cheap crap manufactured overseas.

Sounds like a national day of mourning to me!

Every party needs a pooper!

Or a realist?

Not really. Just stay home if you can't be polite.

Oh, spare me the snobbery.

You mean from the college freshman like PP coming home to regale their family with all their new ideas about how everything they do is all wrong? Really, just stay home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanksgiving is a day during which the typical American stuffs their face with several thousand calories of fat, salt, and sugar before embarking on a three-week spree of buying cheap crap manufactured overseas.

Sounds like a national day of mourning to me!

I can tell you’re well liked.

And what does “Sounds like a national day of morning to me [EXCLAMATION POINT]” even mean? None of the shit you said had anything to do with mourning. And why exclaim it? Did you think that was clever?

You’re a twerp and a loser. You’re gonna read this and feel embarrassed. You’ll probably quickly shut your browser and go do something else, but deep down you’ll know: nobody liked your post, it was really stupid and banal, no one laughed or agreed with it. It’ll exist forever in the bowels of the internet, just hanging there like a moist gym sock sling over a shower rod. A smelly and utterly forgettable eternal testament to you being a tedious and boring person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is not a bad thing. Wave after wave of immigrants have been assimilated and now are just Americans.

And for better or worse, American Indians have chosen not to assimilate, or to both assimilate and not assimilate. Not sure that some of these posters know this or are willing to acknowledge this.

They were here first. Europeans chose not to assimilate.

I'm genuinely struck by how good a point this is. No snark.

Ok.

Should the Latinos coming to MoCo assimilate? English only?

Or should mcps cancel Halloween parties because the holiday rubs the newcomers the wrong way due to their religious beliefs?

That’s just one example. But I’m curious what you think. Should everyone assimilate, or should we be a melting pot and evolve?

I wasn't really taking a stance on assimilation itself. But I was thinking that as a general rule when people enter an established culture they do not destroy it. They may completely assimilate. They may create communities of people from their prior culture and interact with the greater population on a limited basis or they may even work to get aspects of their culture into the main stream.

The European settlers took a very different approach.

Yes. Hundreds of years ago, Europeans did very bad things. Their barbaric behavior impacted their own women who were treated like garbage.

Fortunately, we’ve all evolved since then.

The US government has done very bad, barbaric things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanksgiving is a day during which the typical American stuffs their face with several thousand calories of fat, salt, and sugar before embarking on a three-week spree of buying cheap crap manufactured overseas.

Sounds like a national day of mourning to me!

That does sound similar to Memorial Day. Just a different menu of fat, salt, sugar.

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Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is not a bad thing. Wave after wave of immigrants have been assimilated and now are just Americans.

And for better or worse, American Indians have chosen not to assimilate, or to both assimilate and not assimilate. Not sure that some of these posters know this or are willing to acknowledge this.

They were here first. Europeans chose not to assimilate.

Civilizations evolve and change over time. War. Climate. Myriad factors impact the course of history and the evolution of civilization. And maps. And hearts and minds.

What is your point? Assimilation in this context certainly means the people that are entering a culture becoming one with that culture. European settlers were the ones who did not assimilate.

Totally ridiculous idea. Europeans were not exactly invited to join the tribe! You would likely lose your scalp or worse.

They weren’t the only scalpers. Europeans were *paid* to scalp Native Americans. This female scalper has a statue in NH honoring her scalping.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know other cultures have Thanksgiving to celebrate the harvest? They didn’t all conquer North America.

So maybe we shouldn’t have based this holiday on the myth about “pilgrims and Indians”.

Schools are dropping any mention of Indians at all. It's not just turkeys and Pilgrims. Sounds like that ought to make some people happy, everyone will just forget about them.

Yup. They want to pretend like it never happened. Or the people aren’t still suffering today.

Revisionist history to the max.

Not so much revisionist as irrelevant. People are moving forward, why should they dwell on the past when it has nothing to do with them? Obviously the people who were hurt feel differently, but they aren't making much of an impact convincing anyone else to put their needs first. Everyone has their own problems these days.

Why do we bother to learn any history at all? It all happened in the past. Why dwell on any of it?

Maybe if we don’t sugar coat history just to make white people feel comfortable then we can learn from our mistakes and do better in the future.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is not a bad thing. Wave after wave of immigrants have been assimilated and now are just Americans.

And for better or worse, American Indians have chosen not to assimilate, or to both assimilate and not assimilate. Not sure that some of these posters know this or are willing to acknowledge this.

They were here first. Europeans chose not to assimilate.

I'm genuinely struck by how good a point this is. No snark.

Ok.

Should the Latinos coming to MoCo assimilate? English only?

Or should mcps cancel Halloween parties because the holiday rubs the newcomers the wrong way due to their religious beliefs?

That’s just one example. But I’m curious what you think. Should everyone assimilate, or should we be a melting pot and evolve?

I wasn't really taking a stance on assimilation itself. But I was thinking that as a general rule when people enter an established culture they do not destroy it. They may completely assimilate. They may create communities of people from their prior culture and interact with the greater population on a limited basis or they may even work to get aspects of their culture into the main stream.

The European settlers took a very different approach.

Yes. Hundreds of years ago, Europeans did very bad things. Their barbaric behavior impacted their own women who were treated like garbage.

Fortunately, we’ve all evolved since then.

The US government has done very bad, barbaric things.

And they continue to do so to citizens of all stripes as well as abroad. Still, we are among the least barbaric when measured against other super-power countries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you know other cultures have Thanksgiving to celebrate the harvest? They didn’t all conquer North America.

So maybe we shouldn’t have based this holiday on the myth about “pilgrims and Indians”.

Schools are dropping any mention of Indians at all. It's not just turkeys and Pilgrims. Sounds like that ought to make some people happy, everyone will just forget about them.

Yup. They want to pretend like it never happened. Or the people aren’t still suffering today.

Revisionist history to the max.

Not so much revisionist as irrelevant. People are moving forward, why should they dwell on the past when it has nothing to do with them? Obviously the people who were hurt feel differently, but they aren't making much of an impact convincing anyone else to put their needs first. Everyone has their own problems these days.

Why do we bother to learn any history at all? It all happened in the past. Why dwell on any of it?

Maybe if we don’t sugar coat history just to make white people feel comfortable then we can learn from our mistakes and do better in the future.

Why only white people? I know none of my relatives were here way back when we come from other places with their own history. No Mayflower descendants in my family tree. I think you mean anyone that every immigrated here. We're all in the same boat.

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Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is not a bad thing. Wave after wave of immigrants have been assimilated and now are just Americans.

And generations upon generations of us have been told legally and socially that “assimilation “ isn’t quite what the not so United States has in mind for us. I guess that the person saying this doesn’t “see” the vestiges of legal racial segregation that some of us do, or realize that some of us remember and directly experienced a lot more than vestiges — while we watched wave after wave of immigrants become “assimilated…and now are just Americans.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you know other cultures have Thanksgiving to celebrate the harvest? They didn’t all conquer North America.

So maybe we shouldn’t have based this holiday on the myth about “pilgrims and Indians”.

Schools are dropping any mention of Indians at all. It's not just turkeys and Pilgrims. Sounds like that ought to make some people happy, everyone will just forget about them.

“Everyone “? No, not “everyone “.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you know other cultures have Thanksgiving to celebrate the harvest? They didn’t all conquer North America.

So maybe we shouldn’t have based this holiday on the myth about “pilgrims and Indians”.

Schools are dropping any mention of Indians at all. It's not just turkeys and Pilgrims. Sounds like that ought to make some people happy, everyone will just forget about them.

“Everyone “? No, not “everyone “.

Good luck with making Thanksgiving a "national day of mourning." I'm sure that's a top concern for the vast majority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I always mourn the turkeys.

I thought this post was going to be national day of turkey mourning too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is not a bad thing. Wave after wave of immigrants have been assimilated and now are just Americans.

And for better or worse, American Indians have chosen not to assimilate, or to both assimilate and not assimilate. Not sure that some of these posters know this or are willing to acknowledge this.

They were here first. Europeans chose not to assimilate.

I'm genuinely struck by how good a point this is. No snark.

Ok.

Should the Latinos coming to MoCo assimilate? English only?

Or should mcps cancel Halloween parties because the holiday rubs the newcomers the wrong way due to their religious beliefs?

That’s just one example. But I’m curious what you think. Should everyone assimilate, or should we be a melting pot and evolve?

I wasn't really taking a stance on assimilation itself. But I was thinking that as a general rule when people enter an established culture they do not destroy it. They may completely assimilate. They may create communities of people from their prior culture and interact with the greater population on a limited basis or they may even work to get aspects of their culture into the main stream.

The European settlers took a very different approach.

You would be wrong. Human history up through present day is one story of warring cultures killing each other after another. Thousands of lost cultures. I mean what is Russia doing to Ukraine? But especially 400 years ago that was the worldwide norm.

It isn't "one story" up through present day as you describe.

There were 100 people on the Mayflower. They arrived in a land that was known to be inhabited. Accepting the narrative that they were fleeing persecution or poverty (much like later immigrants) they should have acknowledged that not "warred". Or do you think that persecuted immigrants in modern day America should "war."?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is not a bad thing. Wave after wave of immigrants have been assimilated and now are just Americans.

And for better or worse, American Indians have chosen not to assimilate, or to both assimilate and not assimilate. Not sure that some of these posters know this or are willing to acknowledge this.

They were here first. Europeans chose not to assimilate.

I'm genuinely struck by how good a point this is. No snark.

Ok.

Should the Latinos coming to MoCo assimilate? English only?

Or should mcps cancel Halloween parties because the holiday rubs the newcomers the wrong way due to their religious beliefs?

That’s just one example. But I’m curious what you think. Should everyone assimilate, or should we be a melting pot and evolve?

I wasn't really taking a stance on assimilation itself. But I was thinking that as a general rule when people enter an established culture they do not destroy it. They may completely assimilate. They may create communities of people from their prior culture and interact with the greater population on a limited basis or they may even work to get aspects of their culture into the main stream.

The European settlers took a very different approach.

You would be wrong. Human history up through present day is one story of warring cultures killing each other after another. Thousands of lost cultures. I mean what is Russia doing to Ukraine? But especially 400 years ago that was the worldwide norm.

It isn't "one story" up through present day as you describe.

There were 100 people on the Mayflower. They arrived in a land that was known to be inhabited. Accepting the narrative that they were fleeing persecution or poverty (much like later immigrants) they should have acknowledged that not "warred". Or do you think that persecuted immigrants in modern day America should "war."?

NP. You’re so dumb it hurts. Sweet “not one story” point. That does nothing to refute what PP said, which was absolutely true.

The people aboard the Mayflower didn’t “war” and take North America. Europe writ large did that. They did it because they were more advanced, and had the need and the wherewithal to do it. This is how clashes between and among cultures have always worked. We as humanity are thankfully getting somewhat gentler about that, at least in terms of the horror inflicted day to day on regular people. But even so, sure if “persecuted immigrants” want to “war” on the US, go for it. Would make things much easier.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanksgiving is a day during which the typical American stuffs their face with several thousand calories of fat, salt, and sugar before embarking on a three-week spree of buying cheap crap manufactured overseas.

Sounds like a national day of mourning to me!

Every party needs a pooper!

Or a realist?

Not really. Just stay home if you can't be polite.

Oh, spare me the snobbery.

You mean from the college freshman like PP coming home to regale their family with all their new ideas about how everything they do is all wrong? Really, just stay home.

Do you think what the US government did was wrong?