TJ Discrimination Case

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

My kids attended a Title I school. When you reach the AAP or Honors level, there is minimal difference between the standard FCPS curriculum/pacing at the wealthy school and that at the poorer school. If the wealthier kids have an edge in the current admissions, it's because they have outside tutoring for writing the essays. It has nothing at all to do with the education received at school. It seems like anytime someone brings up how terrible the high FARMS and Title I schools are, it's a person zoned to a wealthy school who had no clue what is actually happening in the Title I schools.

I know a couple kids who graduated with the IB diploma at Annandale High. Being at a low-income, low performing school did not hurt them one bit.

It's better to be challenged by a higher performing peer group. The IB diploma program at Annandale isn't great - there aren't that many IB diploma candidates and the percentage of successful candidates (slightly over 60%) is low as well, especially when compared to other IB schools like Marshall and W-L in Arlington.

Not many families will be willing to disrupt their kids' lives by moving them to Holmes or Poe for a year or so to improve their TJ chances. It will still be a bit of a crap shoot, the kids will be mercenaries, and they won't get the same education that they likely would have received at their prior middle schools.

Most every school has a high-performing peer group. The differences is whether there are 6 sections of AP English or 3. Either way kids learn AP English.

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

My kids attended a Title I school. When you reach the AAP or Honors level, there is minimal difference between the standard FCPS curriculum/pacing at the wealthy school and that at the poorer school. If the wealthier kids have an edge in the current admissions, it's because they have outside tutoring for writing the essays. It has nothing at all to do with the education received at school. It seems like anytime someone brings up how terrible the high FARMS and Title I schools are, it's a person zoned to a wealthy school who had no clue what is actually happening in the Title I schools.

I know a couple kids who graduated with the IB diploma at Annandale High. Being at a low-income, low performing school did not hurt them one bit.

It's better to be challenged by a higher performing peer group. The IB diploma program at Annandale isn't great - there aren't that many IB diploma candidates and the percentage of successful candidates (slightly over 60%) is low as well, especially when compared to other IB schools like Marshall and W-L in Arlington.

Not many families will be willing to disrupt their kids' lives by moving them to Holmes or Poe for a year or so to improve their TJ chances. It will still be a bit of a crap shoot, the kids will be mercenaries, and they won't get the same education that they likely would have received at their prior middle schools.

Most every school has a high-performing peer group. The differences is whether there are 6 sections of AP English or 3. Either way kids learn AP English.

It’s more than that. It’s whether your kid can take French, Spanish, Chinese and Latin through AP/IB or must take Spanish to get the IB class needed for the IB diploma. Whether your kid can choose to do 2 years of IB Chem, Bio, Physics or ES, or is limited to Bio. Whether AP Human Geo, Psych, European Macro/Micro are offered at all or are IB options. And if they are IB options, can your kid get them and stay with the other 8 kids on the full diploma track.

Yes, you can get the classes to get the diploma at a weaker school. But in IB they need the 5 core subjects plus a 6th in IB. So all the kids getting the diploma track in the same six classes. If you have 20 serious IB kids, they will have the 5 core and misc 6th subject offerings. But it may be kids only get to chose between 1 or 2 in each subject. And they must commit for two years. My senior had 4 AP foreign language options and 6 different AP science choices (3 were different physics classes) plus an extra handful of 11th and 12th grade honors science classes (anatomy, oceanography, genomics, etc).

This is public school and unique offerings. No one is offering IB Film Studies to the 3 kids who want it and only have 3rd period open.

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

My kids attended a Title I school. When you reach the AAP or Honors level, there is minimal difference between the standard FCPS curriculum/pacing at the wealthy school and that at the poorer school. If the wealthier kids have an edge in the current admissions, it's because they have outside tutoring for writing the essays. It has nothing at all to do with the education received at school. It seems like anytime someone brings up how terrible the high FARMS and Title I schools are, it's a person zoned to a wealthy school who had no clue what is actually happening in the Title I schools.

I know a couple kids who graduated with the IB diploma at Annandale High. Being at a low-income, low performing school did not hurt them one bit.

It's better to be challenged by a higher performing peer group. The IB diploma program at Annandale isn't great - there aren't that many IB diploma candidates and the percentage of successful candidates (slightly over 60%) is low as well, especially when compared to other IB schools like Marshall and W-L in Arlington.

Not many families will be willing to disrupt their kids' lives by moving them to Holmes or Poe for a year or so to improve their TJ chances. It will still be a bit of a crap shoot, the kids will be mercenaries, and they won't get the same education that they likely would have received at their prior middle schools.

Most every school has a high-performing peer group. The differences is whether there are 6 sections of AP English or 3. Either way kids learn AP English.

And when there are no AP Sections of any foreign language except Spanish?

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

Whitman???

Parents absolutely send kids to Carson, RRMS, Cooper, Longfellow to improve their chances. We did. Kid got into TJ. But, we supplemented like heck for years. Mt. version isn’t sending 50+ kids to UVA SEP, etc like Carson does.

They can send them there through 7th grade, but then in 8th grade switch to Whitman to get one of the automatic spots, which would require a lower score, than getting the at large spot at Longfellow.

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

Whitman???

Parents absolutely send kids to Carson, RRMS, Cooper, Longfellow to improve their chances. We did. Kid got into TJ. But, we supplemented like heck for years. Mt. version isn’t sending 50+ kids to UVA SEP, etc like Carson does.

They can send them there through 7th grade, but then in 8th grade switch to Whitman to get one of the automatic spots, which would require a lower score, than getting the at large spot at Longfellow.

Simple and easy. There are plenty of middle schools where you can essentially guarentee that your child will be admitted. It’s not hard.

One prep company is advising parents to plan to switch middle schools by the end of the 3rd quarter of 7th grade to just in case the admissions office starts checking where the child attended for 7th.

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

My kids attended a Title I school. When you reach the AAP or Honors level, there is minimal difference between the standard FCPS curriculum/pacing at the wealthy school and that at the poorer school. If the wealthier kids have an edge in the current admissions, it's because they have outside tutoring for writing the essays. It has nothing at all to do with the education received at school. It seems like anytime someone brings up how terrible the high FARMS and Title I schools are, it's a person zoned to a wealthy school who had no clue what is actually happening in the Title I schools.

I know a couple kids who graduated with the IB diploma at Annandale High. Being at a low-income, low performing school did not hurt them one bit.

It's better to be challenged by a higher performing peer group. The IB diploma program at Annandale isn't great - there aren't that many IB diploma candidates and the percentage of successful candidates (slightly over 60%) is low as well, especially when compared to other IB schools like Marshall and W-L in Arlington.

Not many families will be willing to disrupt their kids' lives by moving them to Holmes or Poe for a year or so to improve their TJ chances. It will still be a bit of a crap shoot, the kids will be mercenaries, and they won't get the same education that they likely would have received at their prior middle schools.

Most every school has a high-performing peer group. The differences is whether there are 6 sections of AP English or 3. Either way kids learn AP English.

It’s more than that. It’s whether your kid can take French, Spanish, Chinese and Latin through AP/IB or must take Spanish to get the IB class needed for the IB diploma. Whether your kid can choose to do 2 years of IB Chem, Bio, Physics or ES, or is limited to Bio. Whether AP Human Geo, Psych, European Macro/Micro are offered at all or are IB options. And if they are IB options, can your kid get them and stay with the other 8 kids on the full diploma track.

Yes, you can get the classes to get the diploma at a weaker school. But in IB they need the 5 core subjects plus a 6th in IB. So all the kids getting the diploma track in the same six classes. If you have 20 serious IB kids, they will have the 5 core and misc 6th subject offerings. But it may be kids only get to chose between 1 or 2 in each subject. And they must commit for two years. My senior had 4 AP foreign language options and 6 different AP science choices (3 were different physics classes) plus an extra handful of 11th and 12th grade honors science classes (anatomy, oceanography, genomics, etc).

This is public school and unique offerings. No one is offering IB Film Studies to the 3 kids who want it and only have 3rd period open.

It seems like every school has many of these same options too. The "weaker" schools seem about the same. I mean sure 6 period of AP English might be nice but doesn't mean you learn anything different.

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

Whitman???

Parents absolutely send kids to Carson, RRMS, Cooper, Longfellow to improve their chances. We did. Kid got into TJ. But, we supplemented like heck for years. Mt. version isn’t sending 50+ kids to UVA SEP, etc like Carson does.

They can send them there through 7th grade, but then in 8th grade switch to Whitman to get one of the automatic spots, which would require a lower score, than getting the at large spot at Longfellow.

Their odds are much higher staying put since those wealthy schools send the highest number of kids. Further, the spots aren't automatic.

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

My kids attended a Title I school. When you reach the AAP or Honors level, there is minimal difference between the standard FCPS curriculum/pacing at the wealthy school and that at the poorer school. If the wealthier kids have an edge in the current admissions, it's because they have outside tutoring for writing the essays. It has nothing at all to do with the education received at school. It seems like anytime someone brings up how terrible the high FARMS and Title I schools are, it's a person zoned to a wealthy school who had no clue what is actually happening in the Title I schools.

I know a couple kids who graduated with the IB diploma at Annandale High. Being at a low-income, low performing school did not hurt them one bit.

It's better to be challenged by a higher performing peer group. The IB diploma program at Annandale isn't great - there aren't that many IB diploma candidates and the percentage of successful candidates (slightly over 60%) is low as well, especially when compared to other IB schools like Marshall and W-L in Arlington.

Not many families will be willing to disrupt their kids' lives by moving them to Holmes or Poe for a year or so to improve their TJ chances. It will still be a bit of a crap shoot, the kids will be mercenaries, and they won't get the same education that they likely would have received at their prior middle schools.

Most every school has a high-performing peer group. The differences is whether there are 6 sections of AP English or 3. Either way kids learn AP English.

And when there are no AP Sections of any foreign language except Spanish?

Our high farms school has AP Sections for 6 languages. Not sure what you're talking about.

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

Whitman???

Parents absolutely send kids to Carson, RRMS, Cooper, Longfellow to improve their chances. We did. Kid got into TJ. But, we supplemented like heck for years. Mt. version isn’t sending 50+ kids to UVA SEP, etc like Carson does.

They can send them there through 7th grade, but then in 8th grade switch to Whitman to get one of the automatic spots, which would require a lower score, than getting the at large spot at Longfellow.

Their odds are much higher staying put since those wealthy schools send the highest number of kids. Further, the spots aren't automatic.

If they have the grades, then they probably are in. This is such a sad state of affairs. People will always try to game the system.

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

My kids attended a Title I school. When you reach the AAP or Honors level, there is minimal difference between the standard FCPS curriculum/pacing at the wealthy school and that at the poorer school. If the wealthier kids have an edge in the current admissions, it's because they have outside tutoring for writing the essays. It has nothing at all to do with the education received at school. It seems like anytime someone brings up how terrible the high FARMS and Title I schools are, it's a person zoned to a wealthy school who had no clue what is actually happening in the Title I schools.

I know a couple kids who graduated with the IB diploma at Annandale High. Being at a low-income, low performing school did not hurt them one bit.

It's better to be challenged by a higher performing peer group. The IB diploma program at Annandale isn't great - there aren't that many IB diploma candidates and the percentage of successful candidates (slightly over 60%) is low as well, especially when compared to other IB schools like Marshall and W-L in Arlington.

Not many families will be willing to disrupt their kids' lives by moving them to Holmes or Poe for a year or so to improve their TJ chances. It will still be a bit of a crap shoot, the kids will be mercenaries, and they won't get the same education that they likely would have received at their prior middle schools.

Most every school has a high-performing peer group. The differences is whether there are 6 sections of AP English or 3. Either way kids learn AP English.

And when there are no AP Sections of any foreign language except Spanish?

Our high farms school has AP Sections for 6 languages. Not sure what you're talking about.

There are 7 AP foreign languages. What school besides TJ regularlY offers AP in 6 of: French, Spanish, German, Italian, Chinese and Japanese? Name the school or I call BS.
Is is BS.

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

My kids attended a Title I school. When you reach the AAP or Honors level, there is minimal difference between the standard FCPS curriculum/pacing at the wealthy school and that at the poorer school. If the wealthier kids have an edge in the current admissions, it's because they have outside tutoring for writing the essays. It has nothing at all to do with the education received at school. It seems like anytime someone brings up how terrible the high FARMS and Title I schools are, it's a person zoned to a wealthy school who had no clue what is actually happening in the Title I schools.

I know a couple kids who graduated with the IB diploma at Annandale High. Being at a low-income, low performing school did not hurt them one bit.

It's better to be challenged by a higher performing peer group. The IB diploma program at Annandale isn't great - there aren't that many IB diploma candidates and the percentage of successful candidates (slightly over 60%) is low as well, especially when compared to other IB schools like Marshall and W-L in Arlington.

Not many families will be willing to disrupt their kids' lives by moving them to Holmes or Poe for a year or so to improve their TJ chances. It will still be a bit of a crap shoot, the kids will be mercenaries, and they won't get the same education that they likely would have received at their prior middle schools.

Most every school has a high-performing peer group. The differences is whether there are 6 sections of AP English or 3. Either way kids learn AP English.

And when there are no AP Sections of any foreign language except Spanish?

Our high farms school has AP Sections for 6 languages. Not sure what you're talking about.

There are 7 AP foreign languages. What school besides TJ regularlY offers AP in 6 of: French, Spanish, German, Italian, Chinese and Japanese? Name the school or I call BS.
Is is BS.

Every FCPS school offers 4-5 AP languages. There's nothing special about this. So many uninformed people here it's amazing.

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

My kids attended a Title I school. When you reach the AAP or Honors level, there is minimal difference between the standard FCPS curriculum/pacing at the wealthy school and that at the poorer school. If the wealthier kids have an edge in the current admissions, it's because they have outside tutoring for writing the essays. It has nothing at all to do with the education received at school. It seems like anytime someone brings up how terrible the high FARMS and Title I schools are, it's a person zoned to a wealthy school who had no clue what is actually happening in the Title I schools.

I know a couple kids who graduated with the IB diploma at Annandale High. Being at a low-income, low performing school did not hurt them one bit.

It's better to be challenged by a higher performing peer group. The IB diploma program at Annandale isn't great - there aren't that many IB diploma candidates and the percentage of successful candidates (slightly over 60%) is low as well, especially when compared to other IB schools like Marshall and W-L in Arlington.

Not many families will be willing to disrupt their kids' lives by moving them to Holmes or Poe for a year or so to improve their TJ chances. It will still be a bit of a crap shoot, the kids will be mercenaries, and they won't get the same education that they likely would have received at their prior middle schools.

Most every school has a high-performing peer group. The differences is whether there are 6 sections of AP English or 3. Either way kids learn AP English.

True but not popular among the set who bought into he good/bad school myth.

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There are a lot of rich people here making assumptions about how bad the lower income schools are. The only reason some of the lower income schools do not have the robust course offerings is because they're saddled with IB rather than AP. If you look at a comparable low income AP school that everyone here would avoid (Herndon High), it has the regular load of 5 different AP science classes, 4 different AP foreign language, all of the normal math AP and DE classes, and so on. The only differences between it and Langley is that the AP cohort is smaller and the gen ed cohort will have a lot more issues.

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

My kids attended a Title I school. When you reach the AAP or Honors level, there is minimal difference between the standard FCPS curriculum/pacing at the wealthy school and that at the poorer school. If the wealthier kids have an edge in the current admissions, it's because they have outside tutoring for writing the essays. It has nothing at all to do with the education received at school. It seems like anytime someone brings up how terrible the high FARMS and Title I schools are, it's a person zoned to a wealthy school who had no clue what is actually happening in the Title I schools.

I know a couple kids who graduated with the IB diploma at Annandale High. Being at a low-income, low performing school did not hurt them one bit.

It's better to be challenged by a higher performing peer group. The IB diploma program at Annandale isn't great - there aren't that many IB diploma candidates and the percentage of successful candidates (slightly over 60%) is low as well, especially when compared to other IB schools like Marshall and W-L in Arlington.

Not many families will be willing to disrupt their kids' lives by moving them to Holmes or Poe for a year or so to improve their TJ chances. It will still be a bit of a crap shoot, the kids will be mercenaries, and they won't get the same education that they likely would have received at their prior middle schools.

Most every school has a high-performing peer group. The differences is whether there are 6 sections of AP English or 3. Either way kids learn AP English.

And when there are no AP Sections of any foreign language except Spanish?

Our high farms school has AP Sections for 6 languages. Not sure what you're talking about.

There are 7 AP foreign languages. What school besides TJ regularlY offers AP in 6 of: French, Spanish, German, Italian, Chinese and Japanese? Name the school or I call BS.
Is is BS.

Every FCPS school offers 4-5 AP languages. There's nothing special about this. So many uninformed people here it's amazing.

No they don’t. I just pulled Madison, Oakton, and Chantilly as samples. They have AP French, Spanish and Latin. Westfield has French, Spanish and German. They also have Japanese, only because they are the base HS for the Japanese Immersion program. Most will bus you to an Academy for AP Chinese and level 4 Korean, ASL and Vietnamese. Please find all these HSs offering 4, 5 or PP says 6 !!!AP languages at the school.

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Jokes on them really. Those schools typically only send a few kids where the wealthy schools typically send 30 so have much better odds.

That assumes the schools have equal caliber kids. They clearly think their kid is more likely to make the top 1.5% of the other school than the top 30 of their own school.

+1 The schools obviously don't have comparable kids under the new TJ scoring system. If a school is getting none of the general pool spots, then the score needed to be in the top 1.5% is lower than the threshold score to be selected from the general pool, which is in turn lower than the top 1.5% cutoff score from that school nabbing a bunch of general pool spots.

It is also unlikely that attending a wealthier school will improve your essays or increase your GPA relative to a less wealthy school. There's nothing whatsoever in the current process that would give any advantage to the kids at the wealthier school. There is something, in the form of bonus points for FARMS, that favors kids from less wealthy schools for the general pool spots. They're still not scoring high enough to earn them.

Attending a wealthy school gives you the education that comes with attending a wealthy school. Are people really going to send their kids to Whitman to boost their chances at TJ?

My kids attended a Title I school. When you reach the AAP or Honors level, there is minimal difference between the standard FCPS curriculum/pacing at the wealthy school and that at the poorer school. If the wealthier kids have an edge in the current admissions, it's because they have outside tutoring for writing the essays. It has nothing at all to do with the education received at school. It seems like anytime someone brings up how terrible the high FARMS and Title I schools are, it's a person zoned to a wealthy school who had no clue what is actually happening in the Title I schools.

I know a couple kids who graduated with the IB diploma at Annandale High. Being at a low-income, low performing school did not hurt them one bit.

It's better to be challenged by a higher performing peer group. The IB diploma program at Annandale isn't great - there aren't that many IB diploma candidates and the percentage of successful candidates (slightly over 60%) is low as well, especially when compared to other IB schools like Marshall and W-L in Arlington.

Not many families will be willing to disrupt their kids' lives by moving them to Holmes or Poe for a year or so to improve their TJ chances. It will still be a bit of a crap shoot, the kids will be mercenaries, and they won't get the same education that they likely would have received at their prior middle schools.

Most every school has a high-performing peer group. The differences is whether there are 6 sections of AP English or 3. Either way kids learn AP English.

And when there are no AP Sections of any foreign language except Spanish?

Our high farms school has AP Sections for 6 languages. Not sure what you're talking about.

There are 7 AP foreign languages. What school besides TJ regularlY offers AP in 6 of: French, Spanish, German, Italian, Chinese and Japanese? Name the school or I call BS.
Is is BS.

Every FCPS school offers 4-5 AP languages. There's nothing special about this. So many uninformed people here it's amazing.

No they don’t. I just pulled Madison, Oakton, and Chantilly as samples. They have AP French, Spanish and Latin. Westfield has French, Spanish and German. They also have Japanese, only because they are the base HS for the Japanese Immersion program. Most will bus you to an Academy for AP Chinese and level 4 Korean, ASL and Vietnamese. Please find all these HSs offering 4, 5 or PP says 6 !!!AP languages at the school.

Does Great Falls go to Westfield because Fox Mill goes to South Lakes and those are the two Japanese language immersion programs.