Lockdown at Blair?

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It's proof that there aren't ENOUGH sros.
Look at the argument that there were 9 security personnel at Blair. Well Blair has nearly 3100 students! That means one security person per 300 kids! It's. It's not enough!
The schools are TOO big. The politics of Montgomery County ensure that our children's education is diminished to the lowest common denominator instead of raising it to the highest. There should be MORE schools. Less stude.ts at each and MORE security where needed. And by security I include SROs. If Covid didn't convince people that schools are too overcrowded I don't know what will.

OK, so we need more security guards. Is 10 enough? Or 15? Or...? How many is enough?

Also, how big do you think the high schools should be, and where should MCPS put them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need smaller schools. We need educational communities not institutions. These schools are the size of small towns and yet this is where they spend most of their time. They need to be seen and known. Most teachers went into teaching to connect with children and yet there are so many kids they are wholly unable to do so.

It's easier to put SROs and mental health workers in the existing buildings than to reduce the number of students at schools.

Taking the easy way out is what got us in this mess. Pay now or pay later. Americans always choose pay later!

Then get ready to pay more in taxes. Jawando wants to spend more $$ on programs that don't have a proven track record.

I support SROs. Cops aren't perfect. We should definitely provide more training to cops on how to handle mental health crisis, but just because there are a few bad apples, I don't believe in throwing out the bunch. If that's how we are going to treat everything then we would have not government, no human race.

I still haven't heard from anti-SROs whether they would want the cops around if someone was trying to stab their kid.

Jawando will happily raise taxes as long as it's off set by a gift to lower income people to ensure they pay less taxes and more poor people who think violence is an answer to a problem are attracted to live next door to you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:


-20000

It's proof that there aren't ENOUGH sros.
Look at the argument that there were 9 security personnel at Blair. Well Blair has nearly 3100 students! That means one security person per 300 kids! It's. It's not enough!
The schools are TOO big. The politics of Montgomery County ensure that our children's education is diminished to the lowest common denominator instead of raising it to the highest. There should be MORE schools. Less stude.ts at each and MORE security where needed. And by security I include SROs. If Covid didn't convince people that schools are too overcrowded I don't know what will.

OK, so we need more security guards. Is 10 enough? Or 15? Or...? How many is enough?

Also, how big do you think the high schools should be, and where should MCPS put them?

Lovers think problems are unsolvable. Leaders solve them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need smaller schools. We need educational communities not institutions. These schools are the size of small towns and yet this is where they spend most of their time. They need to be seen and known. Most teachers went into teaching to connect with children and yet there are so many kids they are wholly unable to do so.

It's easier to put SROs and mental health workers in the existing buildings than to reduce the number of students at schools.

Taking the easy way out is what got us in this mess. Pay now or pay later. Americans always choose pay later!

Then get ready to pay more in taxes. Jawando wants to spend more $$ on programs that don't have a proven track record.

I support SROs. Cops aren't perfect. We should definitely provide more training to cops on how to handle mental health crisis, but just because there are a few bad apples, I don't believe in throwing out the bunch. If that's how we are going to treat everything then we would have not government, no human race.

I still haven't heard from anti-SROs whether they would want the cops around if someone was trying to stab their kid.

Jawando will happily raise taxes as long as it's off set by a gift to lower income people to ensure they pay less taxes and more poor people who think violence is an answer to a problem are attracted to live next door to you.

* and / or are districted in to your kids schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


-20000

It's proof that there aren't ENOUGH sros.
Look at the argument that there were 9 security personnel at Blair. Well Blair has nearly 3100 students! That means one security person per 300 kids! It's. It's not enough!
The schools are TOO big. The politics of Montgomery County ensure that our children's education is diminished to the lowest common denominator instead of raising it to the highest. There should be MORE schools. Less stude.ts at each and MORE security where needed. And by security I include SROs. If Covid didn't convince people that schools are too overcrowded I don't know what will.

OK, so we need more security guards. Is 10 enough? Or 15? Or...? How many is enough?

Also, how big do you think the high schools should be, and where should MCPS put them?

Lovers think problems are unsolvable. Leaders solve them.

*losers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


-20000

It's proof that there aren't ENOUGH sros.
Look at the argument that there were 9 security personnel at Blair. Well Blair has nearly 3100 students! That means one security person per 300 kids! It's. It's not enough!
The schools are TOO big. The politics of Montgomery County ensure that our children's education is diminished to the lowest common denominator instead of raising it to the highest. There should be MORE schools. Less stude.ts at each and MORE security where needed. And by security I include SROs. If Covid didn't convince people that schools are too overcrowded I don't know what will.

OK, so we need more security guards. Is 10 enough? Or 15? Or...? How many is enough?

Also, how big do you think the high schools should be, and where should MCPS put them?

Lovers think problems are unsolvable. Leaders solve them.

DP the SRO program did not place 10 police officers at each school - what was it, 1 officer? 2 officers?

There is no logical reason for having SROs at schools. Security guards are there to provide security. It does not take long to stab someone multiple times and 1 or 2 SROs in a school of 3000 kids are not going to be there to stop that as it's happening. School staff are there to discipline students. If something rises to the level of a crime, the police can be called. We are lucky we have great police response times in MoCo - average is 9 minutes.

We should not be relying on police to "counsel" students, that is not what police are trained to do, that's an excuse to not hire people actually equipped for that task.

[Anonymous]

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Lovers think problems are unsolvable. Leaders solve them.

*losers.

Oh wow, this is a keeper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need smaller schools. We need educational communities not institutions. These schools are the size of small towns and yet this is where they spend most of their time. They need to be seen and known. Most teachers went into teaching to connect with children and yet there are so many kids they are wholly unable to do so.

It's easier to put SROs and mental health workers in the existing buildings than to reduce the number of students at schools.

Taking the easy way out is what got us in this mess. Pay now or pay later. Americans always choose pay later!

Then get ready to pay more in taxes. Jawando wants to spend more $$ on programs that don't have a proven track record.

I support SROs. Cops aren't perfect. We should definitely provide more training to cops on how to handle mental health crisis, but just because there are a few bad apples, I don't believe in throwing out the bunch. If that's how we are going to treat everything then we would have not government, no human race.

I still haven't heard from anti-SROs whether they would want the cops around if someone was trying to stab their kid.

Gotta assume that they don't. They'd rather that the administration calls the cops and in the meantime get the social worker to keep things calm while waiting for the cops to arrive. I don't know why we can't be a reasonable county. Look at what happened at Howard county recently as an example: https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/school-resource-officers-key-to-quick-response-to-fight-and-stabbing-at-annapolis-hs

PPs: "Schools still have security guards"
You: ::puts hands over ears:: "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU WHY DO YOU WANT SOCIAL WORKERS RESPONDING TO A STABBING???"

BECAUSE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SECURITY GUARD AND AN ARMED POLICE OFFICER. Every single major event that we've been talking about these past couple of months required calling a police officer. Why is that when we have security guards???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need smaller schools. We need educational communities not institutions. These schools are the size of small towns and yet this is where they spend most of their time. They need to be seen and known. Most teachers went into teaching to connect with children and yet there are so many kids they are wholly unable to do so.

It's easier to put SROs and mental health workers in the existing buildings than to reduce the number of students at schools.

Taking the easy way out is what got us in this mess. Pay now or pay later. Americans always choose pay later!

Then get ready to pay more in taxes. Jawando wants to spend more $$ on programs that don't have a proven track record.

I support SROs. Cops aren't perfect. We should definitely provide more training to cops on how to handle mental health crisis, but just because there are a few bad apples, I don't believe in throwing out the bunch. If that's how we are going to treat everything then we would have not government, no human race.

I still haven't heard from anti-SROs whether they would want the cops around if someone was trying to stab their kid.

Gotta assume that they don't. They'd rather that the administration calls the cops and in the meantime get the social worker to keep things calm while waiting for the cops to arrive. I don't know why we can't be a reasonable county. Look at what happened at Howard county recently as an example: https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/school-resource-officers-key-to-quick-response-to-fight-and-stabbing-at-annapolis-hs

PPs: "Schools still have security guards"
You: ::puts hands over ears:: "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU WHY DO YOU WANT SOCIAL WORKERS RESPONDING TO A STABBING???"

BECAUSE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SECURITY GUARD AND AN ARMED POLICE OFFICER. Every single major event that we've been talking about these past couple of months required calling a police officer. Why is that when we have security guards???

I dunno, ask literally all the businesses in the county why they hire security guards. Probably because money grows on trees?

[Anonymous]

Scenario: a stabbing occurs in the parking lot of a school

Question: who arrives first, the officer stationed on foot at the other end of campus, or the officer in a patrol car a block away?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need smaller schools. We need educational communities not institutions. These schools are the size of small towns and yet this is where they spend most of their time. They need to be seen and known. Most teachers went into teaching to connect with children and yet there are so many kids they are wholly unable to do so.

It's easier to put SROs and mental health workers in the existing buildings than to reduce the number of students at schools.

Taking the easy way out is what got us in this mess. Pay now or pay later. Americans always choose pay later!

This incident and those stabbings at the W's the other week are proof positive that SRO are a useless waste of tax dollars. The county seems to be handling these unfortunate incidents well.

+1000

-20000

It's proof that there aren't ENOUGH sros.
Look at the argument that there were 9 security personnel at Blair. Well Blair has nearly 3100 students! That means one security person per 300 kids! It's. It's not enough!

The schools are TOO big. The politics of Montgomery County ensure that our children's education is diminished to the lowest common denominator instead of raising it to the highest. There should be MORE schools. Less stude.ts at each and MORE security where needed. And by security I include SROs. If Covid didn't convince people that schools are too overcrowded I don't know what will.

Agreed! And look at the crazy Thrive Montgomery plan the politicians are trying to push through. In order to bring hundreds of thousands more people to MoCo. The goal is to urbanize MoCo as much as possible.

Schools are too big and overcrowded and will become even more so. Politicians don’t care about our kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Scenario: a stabbing occurs in the parking lot of a school

Question: who arrives first, the officer stationed on foot at the other end of campus, or the officer in a patrol car a block away?

🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂
🤣 😂 a police officer a block away 🤣 😂 in Montgomery County!!! 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 😂🤣 😂 🤣 😂 good one!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scenario: a stabbing occurs in the parking lot of a school

Question: who arrives first, the officer stationed on foot at the other end of campus, or the officer in a patrol car a block away?

🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂
🤣 😂 a police officer a block away 🤣 😂 in Montgomery County!!! 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 😂🤣 😂 🤣 😂 good one!!!

They are camped out at the McD across the street before and after school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scenario: a stabbing occurs in the parking lot of a school

Question: who arrives first, the officer stationed on foot at the other end of campus, or the officer in a patrol car a block away?

🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂
🤣 😂 a police officer a block away 🤣 😂 in Montgomery County!!! 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 😂🤣 😂 🤣 😂 good one!!!

So you're saying police officers are not patroling the areas around schools as promised?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"School resource officers, or SROs, are members of the law enforcement community who teach, counsel, and protect the school community. When SROs are integrated into a school system, the benefits go beyond reduced violence in schools. The officers often build relationships with students while serving as a resource to students, teachers, and administrators to help solve problems.

For students with a mental illness, use of drugs or alcohol can be a key risk factor for committing acts of violence. Recent research shows that those with a severe mental illness and a substance use disorder have a greatly increased relative risk for violence (more than 11 times) compared to those with neither diagnosis. Since SROs can help infuse substance abuse and violence-prevention messaging in schools and throughout school systems, they can play an important role in school safety plans.

In March, I met with school resource officers in Chantilly, Virginia, to discuss school safety and substance abuse. It was clear from this discussion that we need to look beyond the law enforcement function of SROs and recognize their value in cultivating a safe, supportive environment for our young people.

School resource officers are not armed guards standing sentry at school entrances. These men and women receive training in counseling and other skills that help them be effective in a school setting. Part of a school resource officer’s job is building relationships with students and faculty, and the job often doesn’t end at the close of the school day. They can be present at extracurricular activities and in school hallways, building trust with the students. School resource officers can get involved if they believe a young person may pose a danger to the school community. They can even visit students at home and speak with parents and family."

-From the Office of President Barack Obama
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/03/28/school-resource-officers

What SROs can do and what they actually did in MCPS are not the same thing. As a teacher, I was horrified by how the head security guard and SRO treated a student having a mental health crisis. I would not want my own children treated that way.

most SROs in moco just were bad on the street, SRO assignment was much like desk duty it was a punishment. There were a few good ones but most sucked.

That's absolutely not true. There was a special hiring process to select SROs and the schools were involved. It's actually hard to get SROs because their shifts are different than the four day work week that most cops have. They put the bad cops elsewhere.

Wrong again