School Board Meeting 9/23

[Anonymous]

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

"Performative?" maybe. But, do you listen to our SB members? We frequently get performances from them.

Yes, her testimony was terribly offensive. That was the point. What better way to get the attention. The process you describe takes weeks--probably months.

Believe me, had she gone through the "process" the books would still be there. Most parents were unaware and they would have continued to be unaware.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

"Performative?" maybe. But, do you listen to our SB members? We frequently get performances from them.

Yes, her testimony was terribly offensive. That was the point. What better way to get the attention. The process you describe takes weeks--probably months.

Believe me, had she gone through the "process" the books would still be there. Most parents were unaware and they would have continued to be unaware.

Exactly this. And the people who want all these procedural hoops to be followed just want the books to remain available indefinitely in school libraries AND have no concern when the School Board itself rides roughshod over normal procedure (like Karl Frisch taking money that was expressly set aside for a new elementary school in Fairfax/Oakton and using it for an entirely different purpose elsewhere in his district). The level of hypocrisy is over-the-top.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I guess the woke went too far
https://www.localdvm.com/news/virginia/fairfax-co-public-schools-removes-two-books-after-heated-school-board-meeting/amp/

Liberals lost on this one, better luck next time

It's not over. They will be "reviewed." Prediction: Lawn Boy will survive. Not so sure about the graphic novel.

My opinion, FWIW: Just because they "can" put these in our school libraries does not mean they "should."

It’s ok for parents to be concerned about books. FCPS even has a review process in place for such concerns. And parents always have the choice to exclude specific books for their own children.

It’s not ok for parents to throw tantrums at SB meetings and it’s certainly not OK to push misinformation.

Reading from a book available in a county school at a county school board meeting hardly counts as throwing a tantrum.

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

x1 million

As are 99% of the book banning posts. They have no fcking clue what they are vigorously parroting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It’s ok for parents to be concerned about books. FCPS even has a review process in place for such concerns. And parents always have the choice to exclude specific books for their own children.

It’s not ok for parents to throw tantrums at SB meetings and it’s certainly not OK to push misinformation.

After hearing the mom speak at the SB meeting, I researched (for about thirty minutes) on how to protest books in the library. While it is front and center now, it was not front and center on Friday morning. (FCPS really needs to update their search engine on the SB site and on the system site). I was unable to find the information until I posted on here and someone posted the information. It should not be that hard to find it. I have not looked again, but I have not seen the information on the names of the persons on the committee. It is not listed under SB committees.

Of course, now that the SB has put out a statement, the information is more readily available--but not the names of the standing committee. And, this review committee set up is not the same as the standing committee.

And, FWIW, are the high school students selected for this review minors or will they be 18 years old?

Reading the FCPS press release is fundamental. They will be 18+

PP didn’t know that because she can’t be bothered to actually READ anything herself. She prefers to parrot misinformation from RWNJ sources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

"Performative?" maybe. But, do you listen to our SB members? We frequently get performances from them.

Yes, her testimony was terribly offensive. That was the point. What better way to get the attention. The process you describe takes weeks--probably months.

Believe me, had she gone through the "process" the books would still be there. Most parents were unaware and they would have continued to be unaware.

The process would have taken over a year. Call it what you will, but it moved the Board to act, which is amazing. Kudos to her for ignoring the stupidly complicated procedure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Books at fcps high schools promoting pedophilia and pornography, true?

Can anyone verify if this is true?

Wow. That graphic novel. How is cartoon pedophilia legal much less approved to be in schools? Wtf???

You are completely nuts.

There is no “pedophilia” in either book.

A cartoon drawing of a sexual act is not pornography unless it is objectively indented to sexually arouse the reader. Is it prurient and salacious? It is ridiculous to claim so. No kid - not even in 7th grade, is turning to page 46 of a graphic novel about queerness in order to get off. Actual porn is right in his hands on his phone. It’s not 1923.

My 7th grader doesn't have a phone and doesn't need to see this sort of trash in school. You want to let your kids look at nasty pornography and read about 10 year olds having sex with adult males, that's on you and hopefully you will be arrested for child endangerment. I expect a higher level of standards in the public schools as should everyone. You all are sick, sick, pedophiles.

the pp you are replying to is clearly part of the (used to be a conspiracy theory) part of the public seeking to normalize porn consumption by children and committed to the destruction of their innocence.

the very IDEA that children should be protected from this is OFFENSIVE to pp, and that says it all.

[Anonymous]

I wish people weren’t so addicted to outrage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish people weren’t so addicted to outrage.

I wish the school board weren't so outrageous too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

"Performative?" maybe. But, do you listen to our SB members? We frequently get performances from them.

Yes, her testimony was terribly offensive. That was the point. What better way to get the attention. The process you describe takes weeks--probably months.

Believe me, had she gone through the "process" the books would still be there. Most parents were unaware and they would have continued to be unaware.

The process would have taken over a year. Call it what you will, but it moved the Board to act, which is amazing. Kudos to her for ignoring the stupidly complicated procedure.

So everyone who has something they think is important should ignore a stupid or complex procedure and go straight to reading what is at a minimum adult material at SB meetings? Complete with photos? Livestreamed into thousands of homes with young kids whose parents are listening to the meeting? Literally parents with young kids around were the target audience? And she did not even warn the parents of young kids might want to turn the TV off. Because in her quest to shield the kids of FCPS from thiS content, SHE exposed thousands of FCPS kids, of a much younger age than HS, to this content. So as the parent of a 6 year old and a 9 year old who had to make a dash for the remote, and then answer questions, thanks a bunch. I filed a complaint with the FCC, BTW. Maybe a fine will help her think through consequences next time.


How do I know that this has nothing to do with protecting the tender sensibilities of high school kids from gay porn? The fact she broadcast said porn live to thousands of kids. Many more than would have ever checked out the book.

Since when did the right become defenders of people who broadcast porn from SB meetings? We should be able to listen to SB meetings with ES aged kids. Apparently not.

And BTW- she may have twisted the SB into knots for a week. But that’s a week we don’t get quarantine guidance, live-stream of classes or test to stay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

"Performative?" maybe. But, do you listen to our SB members? We frequently get performances from them.

Yes, her testimony was terribly offensive. That was the point. What better way to get the attention. The process you describe takes weeks--probably months.

Believe me, had she gone through the "process" the books would still be there. Most parents were unaware and they would have continued to be unaware.

Exactly this. And the people who want all these procedural hoops to be followed just want the books to remain available indefinitely in school libraries AND have no concern when the School Board itself rides roughshod over normal procedure (like Karl Frisch taking money that was expressly set aside for a new elementary school in Fairfax/Oakton and using it for an entirely different purpose elsewhere in his district). The level of hypocrisy is over-the-top.

So you are good with thousands of school aged kids being exposed to porn at a SB meeting because it serves the larger purpose of… protecting those kids from porn?m talk about hypocrisy. Then again, no one ever accused Trumphumpers of being smart.

[Anonymous]

Wait, I thought the party line was that the books were fine, good even, a support to LGBTQIA+ students, staff and teachers?

Now everyone is in agreement that they are gross and inappropriate?

I guess Frisch and the gang had the wrong take and have been told to pivot.

Politics. It's quite a game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait, I thought the party line was that the books were fine, good even, a support to LGBTQIA+ students, staff and teachers?

Now everyone is in agreement that they are gross and inappropriate?

I guess Frisch and the gang had the wrong take and have been told to pivot.

Politics. It's quite a game.

Trumpwits. Unable to draw a distinction between a Hs kid who chooses to check material out and a family with two young kids being exposed to this while watching a SB meeting after dinner.

There is a difference between ES and HS. And between deciding to check. Book out and having it forced into your home. If you can’t see this, I guess it’s about what I would expect from MAGA.

There was an appropriate way to deal with this. A standing committee and everything. I got the mail to see if I anted to be on our school’s committee last year. You want to discuss the process for challenging books, fine. You want to read the content you are challenging out loud in a public forum directed at kids and parents? At that point, there is nothing to protect them from.

There is a time and place. Or at least give a warning that graphic intent is going to be discussed. But I guess that would take away from the self promoting shock value.

[Anonymous]

Here is how to file an FCC complaint against FCPS Andy he speaker:

https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us

Standard is: offensive as measured by contemporary standards from the broadcast medium. Since the broadcast medium is public access TV, this lady should be fined.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait, I thought the party line was that the books were fine, good even, a support to LGBTQIA+ students, staff and teachers?

Now everyone is in agreement that they are gross and inappropriate?

I guess Frisch and the gang had the wrong take and have been told to pivot.

Politics. It's quite a game.

Trumpwits. Unable to draw a distinction between a Hs kid who chooses to check material out and a family with two young kids being exposed to this while watching a SB meeting after dinner.

There is a difference between ES and HS. And between deciding to check. Book out and having it forced into your home. If you can’t see this, I guess it’s about what I would expect from MAGA.

There was an appropriate way to deal with this. A standing committee and everything. I got the mail to see if I anted to be on our school’s committee last year. You want to discuss the process for challenging books, fine. You want to read the content you are challenging out loud in a public forum directed at kids and parents? At that point, there is nothing to protect them from.

There is a time and place. Or at least give a warning that graphic intent is going to be discussed. But I guess that would take away from the self promoting shock value.

Ah, the pivots to go along with the hypocrisy. Thank you, Fairfax Democrats. You always know how to take a bad situation and make it worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait, I thought the party line was that the books were fine, good even, a support to LGBTQIA+ students, staff and teachers?

Now everyone is in agreement that they are gross and inappropriate?

I guess Frisch and the gang had the wrong take and have been told to pivot.

Politics. It's quite a game.

Good for the Fairfax County Dems, making a new download available for their loyalists.

An election is coming up and they will have trouble if they are closely associated with the "keep graphic material in schools--for the sake of the LGBTQIA+ population" agenda.

If other school boards in areas where this book has been shelved in school libraries are doing the same, it will go better for them.