School Board Meeting 9/23

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait, I thought the party line was that the books were fine, good even, a support to LGBTQIA+ students, staff and teachers?

Now everyone is in agreement that they are gross and inappropriate?

I guess Frisch and the gang had the wrong take and have been told to pivot.

Politics. It's quite a game.

Good for the Fairfax County Dems, making a new download available for their loyalists.

An election is coming up and they will have trouble if they are closely associated with the "keep graphic material in schools--for the sake of the LGBTQIA+ population" agenda.

If other school boards in areas where this book has been shelved in school libraries are doing the same, it will go better for them.

As opposed to the Fairfax Rs, who are associated in my neighborhood with, “broadcast graphic content to my school aged kids on TV?” Keep saying that this woman was anything other than awful for exposing so many young kids to graphic content on the FCPS TV station. It’s a great way to lose elections. A library book I abstract. Lots of pissed off parents that this was handled in manner that didn’t protect kids.

[Anonymous]

please keep loudly defending this.

As an independent I normally don't care who's in power based on D or R, but you Democrats have been particularly obnoxious lately and I would actually crook a smile about an election if you lose next time.

Of course, a show of competence and prioritizing children would actually make me happy but there's no hope of that so....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is how to file an FCC complaint against FCPS Andy he speaker:

https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us

Standard is: offensive as measured by contemporary standards from the broadcast medium. Since the broadcast medium is public access TV, this lady should be fined.

excellent - thanks

[Anonymous]

And BTW- she may have twisted the SB into knots for a week. But that’s a week we don’t get quarantine guidance, live-stream of classes or test to stay.

This is exactly how these political stunts hurt our schools and our kids.

If the GOP actually GAF about kids they would have just asked for a review. Not these theatrical hysterics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is how to file an FCC complaint against FCPS Andy he speaker:

https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us

Standard is: offensive as measured by contemporary standards from the broadcast medium. Since the broadcast medium is public access TV, this lady should be fined.

excellent - thanks

Too obscene for tv? Then, too obscene for a school library.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess the woke went too far
https://www.localdvm.com/news/virginia/fairfax-co-public-schools-removes-two-books-after-heated-school-board-meeting/amp/

Liberals lost on this one, better luck next time

It's not over. They will be "reviewed." Prediction: Lawn Boy will survive. Not so sure about the graphic novel.

My opinion, FWIW: Just because they "can" put these in our school libraries does not mean they "should."

It’s ok for parents to be concerned about books. FCPS even has a review process in place for such concerns. And parents always have the choice to exclude specific books for their own children.

It’s not ok for parents to throw tantrums at SB meetings and it’s certainly not OK to push misinformation.


Precisely. It was distracting, performative nonsense designed to kick up the outrage machine. And it succeeded. Very demoralizing and alarming. What books will they come for next?

Reading from a book available in a county school at a county school board meeting hardly counts as throwing a tantrum.

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

"Performative?" maybe. But, do you listen to our SB members? We frequently get performances from them.

Yes, her testimony was terribly offensive. That was the point. What better way to get the attention. The process you describe takes weeks--probably months.

Believe me, had she gone through the "process" the books would still be there. Most parents were unaware and they would have continued to be unaware.

Exactly this. And the people who want all these procedural hoops to be followed just want the books to remain available indefinitely in school libraries AND have no concern when the School Board itself rides roughshod over normal procedure (like Karl Frisch taking money that was expressly set aside for a new elementary school in Fairfax/Oakton and using it for an entirely different purpose elsewhere in his district). The level of hypocrisy is over-the-top.

So you really think any parent should be able to come screeching yo the school hoard about any book and it should be immediately pulled from every library shelf in the county? You really think this is an appropriate use of School Board time … that they should on the spot make decisions about library purchases based on out of context excerpts read aloud for an audience???? WTH! It’s hard enough for the SB to get *anythjng* done. Individual schools have 20,000+ books. People should be lining up to read aloud from them at SB meetings?

This is madness. Utter madness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Books at fcps high schools promoting pedophilia and pornography, true?

Can anyone verify if this is true?

Wow. That graphic novel. How is cartoon pedophilia legal much less approved to be in schools? Wtf???

You are completely nuts.

There is no “pedophilia” in either book.

A cartoon drawing of a sexual act is not pornography unless it is objectively indented to sexually arouse the reader. Is it prurient and salacious? It is ridiculous to claim so. No kid - not even in 7th grade, is turning to page 46 of a graphic novel about queerness in order to get off. Actual porn is right in his hands on his phone. It’s not 1923.

My 7th grader doesn't have a phone and doesn't need to see this sort of trash in school. You want to let your kids look at nasty pornography and read about 10 year olds having sex with adult males, that's on you and hopefully you will be arrested for child endangerment. I expect a higher level of standards in the public schools as should everyone. You all are sick, sick, pedophiles.

the pp you are replying to is clearly part of the (used to be a conspiracy theory) part of the public seeking to normalize porn consumption by children and committed to the destruction of their innocence.

the very IDEA that children should be protected from this is OFFENSIVE to pp, and that says it all.

YOU are the problem, PP. there is NO porn in either book. But you just keep repeating these lies. It’s sick. You have no character.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

"Performative?" maybe. But, do you listen to our SB members? We frequently get performances from them.

Yes, her testimony was terribly offensive. That was the point. What better way to get the attention. The process you describe takes weeks--probably months.

Believe me, had she gone through the "process" the books would still be there. Most parents were unaware and they would have continued to be unaware.

The process would have taken over a year. Call it what you will, but it moved the Board to act, which is amazing. Kudos to her for ignoring the stupidly complicated procedure.

DP
Hold up. Ignoring procedure is not ok. This is becoming a big problem. It is a problem. People are going to meeting such as school board meetings expecting to get their way by disrupting procedure. They don’t listen. There is no room for discourse. We’ve seen the chanting, the standing on tables, just general pushiness and then they complain the meeting had to be shut down.

January 6 was a result of ignoring procedure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:please keep loudly defending this.

As an independent I normally don't care who's in power based on D or R, but you Democrats have been particularly obnoxious lately and I would actually crook a smile about an election if you lose next time.

Of course, a show of competence and prioritizing children would actually make me happy but there's no hope of that so....

A show of competence and prioritizing children would have required the speaker to behave like an adult, READ the books in question in their entirety, and then file a book challenge following the established channels.

Instead, she took content that would have reached, at most, a few dozen teenagers all year and broadcast it to thousands of people including young children. She did it this way precisely because it achieved her goal…stoking the fires of outrage - without any actual merit to a claim that the books are inappropriate. After all, that would require actually reading both do them in their entirety and defending the false claims that they are salacious or pornographic. She knows there is no merit to her claims but also knows she can score lots of points reading out of context excepts and deliberately mischaracterizing them.

There is real damage and real harm done in what she did. No one is required to read these books. But she required every watcher, including children, to be exposed to that content. Worse, she has unleashed a firestorm of hate and attacks, both toward their author and toward SB members, based in the lie that the books have anything to do with the pedophilia and the lie that the books are pornography.

Anyone rational who claimed that removing the names of Confederates from FCPS schools was a distraction but now think that it’s okay for the entire work of the school board, FCPS communications, dozens of school librarians, and people in instructional services to be focused on this issue based on two out of context excerpts in 2 books in a dozen libraries in this huge system….well, there is something seriously wrong with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:please keep loudly defending this.

As an independent I normally don't care who's in power based on D or R, but you Democrats have been particularly obnoxious lately and I would actually crook a smile about an election if you lose next time.

Of course, a show of competence and prioritizing children would actually make me happy but there's no hope of that so....

A show of competence and prioritizing children would have required the speaker to behave like an adult, READ the books in question in their entirety, and then file a book challenge following the established channels.

Instead, she took content that would have reached, at most, a few dozen teenagers all year and broadcast it to thousands of people including young children. She did it this way precisely because it achieved her goal…stoking the fires of outrage - without any actual merit to a claim that the books are inappropriate. After all, that would require actually reading both do them in their entirety and defending the false claims that they are salacious or pornographic. She knows there is no merit to her claims but also knows she can score lots of points reading out of context excepts and deliberately mischaracterizing them.

There is real damage and real harm done in what she did. No one is required to read these books. But she required every watcher, including children, to be exposed to that content. Worse, she has unleashed a firestorm of hate and attacks, both toward their author and toward SB members, based in the lie that the books have anything to do with the pedophilia and the lie that the books are pornography.

Anyone rational who claimed that removing the names of Confederates from FCPS schools was a distraction but now think that it’s okay for the entire work of the school board, FCPS communications, dozens of school librarians, and people in instructional services to be focused on this issue based on two out of context excerpts in 2 books in a dozen libraries in this huge system….well, there is something seriously wrong with you.

+1 million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is how to file an FCC complaint against FCPS Andy he speaker:

https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us

Standard is: offensive as measured by contemporary standards from the broadcast medium. Since the broadcast medium is public access TV, this lady should be fined.

excellent - thanks

Too obscene for tv? Then, too obscene for a school library.

Too obscene for TV showing a school board meeting were you expect young children to be present? 1000%. High school library is debatable. And I’m not debating, because I haven’t read the books.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, this was a performative tantrum. Genuine and appropriate concern starts by talking with the school librarian and school admin. Who acknowledge your concerns and point you to the book review committee. Then you file a challenge with the committee and seeing what they say. It does not involve cherry-picking a page out of two books out of thousands and going straight for shock value at a SB meeting. You do that to make a scene and make headlines. I don’t care that she objected. I care that she immediately escalated to the SB in the most dramatic way possible. And in the end, thenSB did exactly what the librarian would have done— referred it to the committee. Same result. More headlines.

And because the material is graphic, I don’t appreciate it being broadcast with no warning into every household with ES aged kids who might be present watching the livestream.

All of us get ticked off at FCPs policies and decisions. And most of us escalate concerns appropriately. Otherwise, you’d have 100,000 parents pitching temper tantrums at the SB level for things that can be dealt with at the school level. This SB cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. And the time it takes for them to deal with this crap is time they aren’t dealing with improving quarantine and isolation, livestreams to kids with COVID, a testing protocol, and test to stay.

"Performative?" maybe. But, do you listen to our SB members? We frequently get performances from them.

Yes, her testimony was terribly offensive. That was the point. What better way to get the attention. The process you describe takes weeks--probably months.

Believe me, had she gone through the "process" the books would still be there. Most parents were unaware and they would have continued to be unaware.

The process would have taken over a year. Call it what you will, but it moved the Board to act, which is amazing. Kudos to her for ignoring the stupidly complicated procedure.

DP
Hold up. Ignoring procedure is not ok. This is becoming a big problem. It is a problem. People are going to meeting such as school board meetings expecting to get their way by disrupting procedure. They don’t listen. There is no room for discourse. We’ve seen the chanting, the standing on tables, just general pushiness and then they complain the meeting had to be shut down.

January 6 was a result of ignoring procedure.

This. I had hoped being in this area would shield us from the worst of Trump-ear governance by outrage. Nope. Apparently not. I’m sorry the procedure takes time. So does scheduling a parent teacher conference sometimes. Doesn’t mean I should take my concern directly to the SB.

[Anonymous]

Everyone, let's ignore our school board steadily driving FCPS down because Orange Man was (and is, I hear he spoke somewhere the other day) bad.

Orange Man voted against remembering 9/11 victims.

Orange Man put graphic sex novels in our children's schools.

Orange Man defended these novels as needed to support LGBTQIA+.

Orange Man put a dog park over our children.

Orange Man told us we could choose in-person school in Fall 2020 and then, after we parents agonized over the choice, made arrangements with our bosses and coworkers, discussed it with our children, coordinated schedules with our spouses and decided---told us "actually everyone is online, sucks to be you figure it out"

Orange Man pulled a last minute change to a boundary and voted it in,

Orange Man told us multiple times we'd be going back to school only to cancel at the last minute.

Orange Man is at Gatehouse.

Terrible, Terrible Orange Man, curse his name.

If only we had 12 Democrats in charge of our school board, we'd have caring, competent leadership!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone, let's ignore our school board steadily driving FCPS down because Orange Man was (and is, I hear he spoke somewhere the other day) bad.

Orange Man voted against remembering 9/11 victims.

Orange Man put graphic sex novels in our children's schools.

Orange Man defended these novels as needed to support LGBTQIA+.

Orange Man put a dog park over our children.

Orange Man told us we could choose in-person school in Fall 2020 and then, after we parents agonized over the choice, made arrangements with our bosses and coworkers, discussed it with our children, coordinated schedules with our spouses and decided---told us "actually everyone is online, sucks to be you figure it out"

Orange Man pulled a last minute change to a boundary and voted it in,

Orange Man told us multiple times we'd be going back to school only to cancel at the last minute.

Orange Man is at Gatehouse.

Terrible, Terrible Orange Man, curse his name.

If only we had 12 Democrats in charge of our school board, we'd have caring, competent leadership!

Nope. Brabrand and the SB are responsible. and Brabrand was essentially fired. He’s out next year. And the SB comes up fr election in 2 years, and I don’t know anyone who will vote on autopilot next time.

What Trump is responsible for is the degradation of public norms and the governance by shock and outrage. It’s now become essential on the GOP side to pul stunts and go on Fox News.