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I know this is something of a beaten dead horse, since it has been covered in many similar threads, such as:
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/105/309642.page But we have some variation on our perspective and were looking to solicit some input? First our situation: HHI: little over $200k, mid-career unlikely to rise anytime soon, both parents work full-time and commute to the southern side of DC. Commute: Would like to keep it under 30 minutes to south DC (Capital South/National Stadium), so clearly need close-in neighborhood Housing budget: $1M, though that would be for a move-in ready home, no resources for extensive renovation. Townhouse is fine. At this point, we are typical upper middle parents in DC, but our perspective is a little different than some folks. Our philosophy is probably a little bohemian tiger mom, to mix metaphors and probably self-contradict. We want our kids to be happy and try to relax, but have high expectations for them for education. We tend to be organic and environmental (1st DC ate strictly organic until 3; lived for many years with no or only 1 car; even now our main family car is a sub-compact), and we really have not much interest in a big house or fancy cars. We do like to travel, and that will be a big part of family budget in years to go. We live close-in now, and are at a public elementary, but we worry about our family not fitting in. There is lots of family discussions about exotic vacations, private schools, and folks dressing well and driving nice cars. As a whole, the parents are great and all seem interesting and more or less on-level; we know us parents will have no probably relating in PTA etc, and kids are young enough now that really we have no complaints. But we worry down the line, when our kids become most obviously some of the have-nots in the class; we've heard about the effects of growing up with less than your peers and now it cause issues later on. And end of the day, it would be nice to 'fit' in to the community and the school and not feel a bit like interlopers. I suspect we would like Takoma Park a great deal, but it would be a Faustian bargain: we *might* find a community (though given the prices in TP, MD, it isn't exactly middle class), but it would give us both an hour long commute. Most of the folks we work with and the most like us in age and income have made the move to the out-ring suburbs of Burke, Vienna, Rockville, Olney. I suspect someplace like Clarksville or Olney would also be wonderful neighborhoods, but if we both work then our commutes would be hour+ each (most of the families we know who do this have extended family living near/with them and sometimes a nanny -- we are an atomic family on our own). Changing jobs won't help, our careers to migrate to those areas *at* all. One of us could stay home, but we would likely return to the original problem: with our reduced income we would now be much poorer than our cohorts. And a single income opens us up to additional risks we aren't ready to grapple with. So the real question for us is: is a theoretically better 'fit' to values/neighborhood worth the loss of time with our children because of the longer commute?? |
| Nothing is worth the loss of time with your children. |
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We have a HHI quite a bit less than yours, live in a house that is just over half your budget, and I feel that we are more on the "bohemian" side--and I feel like we "fit in" quite well in our area in Arlington. Yes, there are many people (including some close friends of ours) who live in bigger and more expensive houses; but so what? I am not looking to them to validate my life choices, and I would not choose to live in a 5000SF house even if I could. Our kids interact every day with some kids whose families are richer, and some whose families are poorer, and to me, that's sort of the point--in life, in my work, I don't expect the majority of interactions to occur with people who are just like me.
That said, I think daily commute is a huge factor in my enjoyment of life. I got to work in under 20 minutes this morning. DH takes metro and his commute is closer to 40 minutes, but it gives him time to read, email, etc. If either of us had to sit in traffic for an hour, or drive for an hour, or completely restructure our family or work schedules to avoid a super-long commute...I think we would all suffer. We lived in a small 2BR for years with our 2 kids to avoid having long commutes--it just is not worth it to me. |
| Do NOT get a longer commute. It will drain your souls. |
OP here; that is our feeling as well, but we see a lot of middle income families moving out to those far-flung neighborhoods instead of living in the condos and townhouses we are squeezing into. We feel like we might have missed a memo! |
OP, here. Thanks, Arlington is an attractive option; what school are you zone for, are you happy with them? Arlington seems a little 'tale of two cities' with its north-south divide... |
They get up earlier, work more efficiently, send their kids to better schools, and are typically happy. It's just a less boho, spontaneous lifestyle. No memo, just choices and decisions. |
Hah, I doubt they get up earlier (OP here), I'm up at 4 so I can be sure to pick up the kids from school at 3:30. Don't worry, we are not spontaneous, we just like spending time with our kids, having home-cooked food every night; we're not taking our strollers to the nearest bar
If you work 8.5 hrs, and .5 each way commute, you have to leave for work at 6am. And that's the short commute option. Better schools? I thought Bethesda/Arlington/McLean had some of the best schools? Are the ones out in Burke/Clarksville better, especially if you control for socioeconomic and diversity? |
| Is the choice between "fitting in" and commute? That is a difficult one, both are equally important. The knock down owners say they want to live close in, until they realize they are surrounded by new house, for example. |
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OP, if you feel Rockville is far flung you do not belong out here. We are far from a country community. It is not rural here. You need to go past Frederick to get to far flung. Then your commute gets into the OMG zone. |
| Don't fall for the so called family friendly places like capita hill aka capitall kill |
| You'll end up in CCDC. |
| Not all of TP is wealthy hippies...it is a very bohemian environment. You could also look at downtown Silver Spring, there are homes under $1 million in a great, diverse environment. Plus you have MoCo schools. |
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AU Park.
Its full of "mid 200" income couples. You'll be dead center on the income range. |