SATC New Season - And Just Like That...

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Anonymous wrote:I hate that they had Anthony giving in and doing a sexual act he was pressured into. There is nothing wrong with wanting to say no to anal sex. It can lead to fissures and other issues, as Anthony said. Thre are many ways to be physically intimate and romanticizing him doing something he didn’t want to do didn’t sit well with me.

I was trying to figure out from his facial expressions if he hated it or hated giving up control (his word from dinner).

I think he didn't like it. I don't know. It made me pretty uncomfortable because I feel lile I have been in his pressured into doing something I don't want to do because of "love"

It looked like he didn’t like it initially then felt the intimacy of it. He was hesitant. I can’t imagine it’s going to be on his top 5 requests, but you could see him softening. This could be a one and done scenario or an occasional menu selection. It seemed valuable for him to try something as growth. That it was anal was a bit simplistic though it also was a great vulnerability.

I also agree the pressure was not cool though.

I think Anthony’s view was problematic because of why he didn’t do anal: he didn’t see himself as “the woman.” So it was more about him being growth minded than the actual anal sex. I think it’s hard when you say “flip the genders” and then we’d be perturbed. You can’t always flip the genders and get the same problem. Women aren’t expected to give anal sex to the man. Here, though, Anthony is expecting from his boyfriend that he’s unwilling to do himself. You could also look at this as, for example, the man willing to get oral sex but being unwilling to give oral sex. Most women would probably think that makes the man kind of a dick.

That makes a ton of sense and hadn’t considered it. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate that they had Anthony giving in and doing a sexual act he was pressured into. There is nothing wrong with wanting to say no to anal sex. It can lead to fissures and other issues, as Anthony said. Thre are many ways to be physically intimate and romanticizing him doing something he didn’t want to do didn’t sit well with me.

I was trying to figure out from his facial expressions if he hated it or hated giving up control (his word from dinner).

I think he didn't like it. I don't know. It made me pretty uncomfortable because I feel lile I have been in his pressured into doing something I don't want to do because of "love"

It looked like he didn’t like it initially then felt the intimacy of it. He was hesitant. I can’t imagine it’s going to be on his top 5 requests, but you could see him softening. This could be a one and done scenario or an occasional menu selection. It seemed valuable for him to try something as growth. That it was anal was a bit simplistic though it also was a great vulnerability.

I also agree the pressure was not cool though.

I think Anthony’s view was problematic because of why he didn’t do anal: he didn’t see himself as “the woman.” So it was more about him being growth minded than the actual anal sex. I think it’s hard when you say “flip the genders” and then we’d be perturbed. You can’t always flip the genders and get the same problem. Women aren’t expected to give anal sex to the man. Here, though, Anthony is expecting from his boyfriend that he’s unwilling to do himself. You could also look at this as, for example, the man willing to get oral sex but being unwilling to give oral sex. Most women would probably think that makes the man kind of a dick.

I think you are right that this was the intention, it still was gross and came across pushy. Also rub our faces in it that this show was written for women by gay men. Miranda hooking up at the gym, Samantha's endless parade of partners, the women having ten partners a year. I mean I don't know women like this in their 30s and maybe they exist. That being said, they built great characters in the original series and all of them are totally unrelatable and inauthentic beyond outlandish sex lives.

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I don't know why you are confused. He's saying that he was the consistent presence in his boys' lives from the beginning because Kathy's job required so much travel, and now that his youngest is having serious issues, he worries that him traveling and being absent is contributing to that. Makes sense to me.

I don't think he's blaming Kathy for Wyatt's issues nor is he blaming himself. He's just accepting that his kid is struggling and he's figuring out how he can give that child what he needs to do better. That's what parents do. It's not about fault. Wyatt needs his dad's consistent presence right now, that means Aiden's focus and physical presence needs to be with Wyatt, not with Carrie. Sometimes as a parent, you have to make sacrifices.

It feels reasonable to me and also somewhat predictable -- every episode since Aiden rejoined the show has included some indication that there is some conflict between his commitment to his kids and his interest in Carrie and in being in NY.

I get all that, but didn't understand why he wouldn't take her up on her offer to come down and visit him in VA instead of him traveling. It seemed like a reasonable compromise, if he was actually interested in trying to make the relationship work. Or if he isn't, that is totally fine too, but then just let her go, vs. doing a five year postponement.

I mean, you can view it as unrealistic or unfair, but these questions were answered in the scene.

When Carrie suggested that she just come visit him, he said that he'd be thinking about her when she wasn't there. His focus would be on her. His point is that right now, with his kid having serious issues that need to be addressed with his full attention, he can't have this relationship with Carrie that will draw his attention. I think what he was really saying was that the distance isn't even the main issue. Even if Carrie lived in Virginia full-time, he might feel that he needs to hold off on getting into a serious relationship with anyone while his kid is going through this. Wyatt is clearly a troubled kid and has always had issues (Kathy referred to him as their "little puzzle" and Aiden has repeatedly referred to him in ways that indicate he's a lot).

Basically they are positing that Wyatt is essentially a special needs kid (though it may not be clear what those needs are right now, which makes it even more critical, because there are few things more exhausting and frustrating than trying to figure that out with a kid who is obviously struggling but it's just not really clear why) and when you have a SN kid, you sometimes don't get to do things that other people might think are reasonable, like starting a new relationship or splitting time in another city. If it seems unfair and miserable, well... in some ways it is. For everyone.

SN present with drinking and hallucigenics? This kid needs constant supervision and is probably a brat, but yeah as a parent you do need to handle this for the best outcome for the kid. Rebelious, attention needing kids are not SN. Maybe future mentally ill through addiction or borderline personality disorder, but not SN.

You seem great and also qualified to weigh in on parenting challenges.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate that they had Anthony giving in and doing a sexual act he was pressured into. There is nothing wrong with wanting to say no to anal sex. It can lead to fissures and other issues, as Anthony said. Thre are many ways to be physically intimate and romanticizing him doing something he didn’t want to do didn’t sit well with me.

I was trying to figure out from his facial expressions if he hated it or hated giving up control (his word from dinner).

I think he didn't like it. I don't know. It made me pretty uncomfortable because I feel lile I have been in his pressured into doing something I don't want to do because of "love"

It looked like he didn’t like it initially then felt the intimacy of it. He was hesitant. I can’t imagine it’s going to be on his top 5 requests, but you could see him softening. This could be a one and done scenario or an occasional menu selection. It seemed valuable for him to try something as growth. That it was anal was a bit simplistic though it also was a great vulnerability.

I also agree the pressure was not cool though.

I think Anthony’s view was problematic because of why he didn’t do anal: he didn’t see himself as “the woman.” So it was more about him being growth minded than the actual anal sex. I think it’s hard when you say “flip the genders” and then we’d be perturbed. You can’t always flip the genders and get the same problem. Women aren’t expected to give anal sex to the man. Here, though, Anthony is expecting from his boyfriend that he’s unwilling to do himself. You could also look at this as, for example, the man willing to get oral sex but being unwilling to give oral sex. Most women would probably think that makes the man kind of a dick.

I think you are right that this was the intention, it still was gross and came across pushy. Also rub our faces in it that this show was written for women by gay men. Miranda hooking up at the gym, Samantha's endless parade of partners, the women having ten partners a year. I mean I don't know women like this in their 30s and maybe they exist. That being said, they built great characters in the original series and all of them are totally unrelatable and inauthentic beyond outlandish sex lives.

Were you single during your thirties? I was. Bit younger than this show cohort. While I wasn’t super promiscuous, easily was with 5-8 men the years I wasn’t in a relationship. Pre-tinder. Imagine most single peoples #s are much higher now unless they are celibate.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate that they had Anthony giving in and doing a sexual act he was pressured into. There is nothing wrong with wanting to say no to anal sex. It can lead to fissures and other issues, as Anthony said. Thre are many ways to be physically intimate and romanticizing him doing something he didn’t want to do didn’t sit well with me.

I was trying to figure out from his facial expressions if he hated it or hated giving up control (his word from dinner).

I think he didn't like it. I don't know. It made me pretty uncomfortable because I feel lile I have been in his pressured into doing something I don't want to do because of "love"

It looked like he didn’t like it initially then felt the intimacy of it. He was hesitant. I can’t imagine it’s going to be on his top 5 requests, but you could see him softening. This could be a one and done scenario or an occasional menu selection. It seemed valuable for him to try something as growth. That it was anal was a bit simplistic though it also was a great vulnerability.

I also agree the pressure was not cool though.

I think Anthony’s view was problematic because of why he didn’t do anal: he didn’t see himself as “the woman.” So it was more about him being growth minded than the actual anal sex. I think it’s hard when you say “flip the genders” and then we’d be perturbed. You can’t always flip the genders and get the same problem. Women aren’t expected to give anal sex to the man. Here, though, Anthony is expecting from his boyfriend that he’s unwilling to do himself. You could also look at this as, for example, the man willing to get oral sex but being unwilling to give oral sex. Most women would probably think that makes the man kind of a dick.

I think you are right that this was the intention, it still was gross and came across pushy. Also rub our faces in it that this show was written for women by gay men. Miranda hooking up at the gym, Samantha's endless parade of partners, the women having ten partners a year. I mean I don't know women like this in their 30s and maybe they exist. That being said, they built great characters in the original series and all of them are totally unrelatable and inauthentic beyond outlandish sex lives.

Were you single during your thirties? I was. Bit younger than this show cohort. While I wasn’t super promiscuous, easily was with 5-8 men the years I wasn’t in a relationship. Pre-tinder. Imagine most single peoples #s are much higher now unless they are celibate.

5 - 8 seems realistic. They were sleeping with someone new almost every date in the first two seasons. Also none of them really in long term relationships in their thirties and this being a big anomaly for them just seems unrealistic as well. To me in many ways the girls' sex lives really are closer to a stereotypical gay man, which is why I am not shocked they brought up this unique aspect of male homosexual sex, which is kind of annoying in a show for women.

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Anonymous wrote:LTW was there because Herbert and Big were close friends and did shady business deals together, which will probably be revealed next season. He has a lot of dirt on Big and, thus, on Carrie - so it pays to keep them close. Herbert is NOT what he seems.

I want more on this theory, PP


Aidens whining about Kathy doesn’t wash. It was AIDEN who traveled all over when the kids were younger, one trip bringing him to Abu Dhabi only to run into Carrie in the second SATC film. The writers take too many liberties and/or are clueless about continuity with this new show as if weirdos like me haven’t watched all of the previous eps/films and have no idea what happens in the past.

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Anonymous wrote:Did it rub anyone else the wrong way… Aidan’s tirade about his ex-wife? She’s always working, Traveling, with her boyfriend, And yet here he is trying to end up with a woman who chose not to have kids so she could work, travel, have boyfriends.

It really seemed very against the grain of the show to throw his ex under the bus like that. He seems to want a woman to give him kids… But then ultimately he wants to end up with a child free woman… I guess it’s good that he’s realizing he can’t have his cake and eat it too. That speech really just rubbed me the wrong way, especially after the show introduced us to the ex and she seemed like a good person.

Describing this as a tirade is not accurate at all. He did position himself in a very favorable (even a bit martyr-y) way during that monologue, but he didn't sound mad at Kathy at all. He said it more matter of factly, like "Kathy was traveling a lot and then starting a new relationship and I was the constant, and it's hard for the boys especially Wyatt for that dynamic to change." Sure, there's some implied judgment there (maybe merited, maybe not, these are fictional characters so it's impossible to say) but it's not like he was telling Carrie that if only Kathy hadn't been flitting off for her job and dating around, his sons would be fine and they could be together. The tone was more explanatory, not an excuse.

I also feel the show/story (including the movies) has earned some leeway on the issue of women working and raising kids. Two of the original four characters were mothers. One had a very serious, demanding job and their husband was the primary parent. The other was a SAHM but one with a ton of commitments (volunteer work, social) and ample outsourcing. Neither of these things was ever once treated as wrong or problematic. Both women have strong relationships with friends, travel, and seek out personal fulfillment, and have done so throughout their kids' childhoods.

So I assume the comment about Aiden being the constant for his kids while Kathy traveled for work and dated is mostly an accurate but not judgmental description of their lives. Aiden sold his business and basically doesn't work. Kathy is an artist and not working is probably not truly an option for her. She also went through there pregnancies, childbirths, and postpartum over 6 years -- she earned some independence and Aiden is the kind sensitive, self-aware guy who I think would recognize that.

So no, this did not bother me.

It's funny because it seems like a lot of people are annoyed with Aiden in this last couple episodes and I'm pretty much fine with it, even though I've always found Aiden to be kind of a tedious drip on this show. I feel weird defending him! I never do!

I don’t agree with this at all. If he was just stating the facts (she works and has to travel so I’ve been the present parent), he wouldn’t have mentioned her boyfriends at all. He definitely had resentment.

And…the dumbest line of tv anywhere? Aidan saying his kid did “Psilocybin” instead of just magic mushrooms. No one would ever say that when talking to a friend.

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Anonymous wrote:Did it rub anyone else the wrong way… Aidan’s tirade about his ex-wife? She’s always working, Traveling, with her boyfriend, And yet here he is trying to end up with a woman who chose not to have kids so she could work, travel, have boyfriends.

It really seemed very against the grain of the show to throw his ex under the bus like that. He seems to want a woman to give him kids… But then ultimately he wants to end up with a child free woman… I guess it’s good that he’s realizing he can’t have his cake and eat it too. That speech really just rubbed me the wrong way, especially after the show introduced us to the ex and she seemed like a good person.

Describing this as a tirade is not accurate at all. He did position himself in a very favorable (even a bit martyr-y) way during that monologue, but he didn't sound mad at Kathy at all. He said it more matter of factly, like "Kathy was traveling a lot and then starting a new relationship and I was the constant, and it's hard for the boys especially Wyatt for that dynamic to change." Sure, there's some implied judgment there (maybe merited, maybe not, these are fictional characters so it's impossible to say) but it's not like he was telling Carrie that if only Kathy hadn't been flitting off for her job and dating around, his sons would be fine and they could be together. The tone was more explanatory, not an excuse.

I also feel the show/story (including the movies) has earned some leeway on the issue of women working and raising kids. Two of the original four characters were mothers. One had a very serious, demanding job and their husband was the primary parent. The other was a SAHM but one with a ton of commitments (volunteer work, social) and ample outsourcing. Neither of these things was ever once treated as wrong or problematic. Both women have strong relationships with friends, travel, and seek out personal fulfillment, and have done so throughout their kids' childhoods.

So I assume the comment about Aiden being the constant for his kids while Kathy traveled for work and dated is mostly an accurate but not judgmental description of their lives. Aiden sold his business and basically doesn't work. Kathy is an artist and not working is probably not truly an option for her. She also went through there pregnancies, childbirths, and postpartum over 6 years -- she earned some independence and Aiden is the kind sensitive, self-aware guy who I think would recognize that.

So no, this did not bother me.

It's funny because it seems like a lot of people are annoyed with Aiden in this last couple episodes and I'm pretty much fine with it, even though I've always found Aiden to be kind of a tedious drip on this show. I feel weird defending him! I never do!

I don’t agree with this at all. If he was just stating the facts (she works and has to travel so I’ve been the present parent), he wouldn’t have mentioned her boyfriends at all. He definitely had resentment.

And…the dumbest line of tv anywhere? Aidan saying his kid did “Psilocybin” instead of just magic mushrooms. No one would ever say that when talking to a friend.

They might if they had just spoken to doctors who absolutely would use "psilocybin" and not magic mushrooms while discussing a patient. If you just got through hearing it described that way a dozen times, you might just repeat it.

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People are more educated about types of substances these days. I do think he would say psilocybin, especially after receiving a toxicology report and talking to doctors. Seems pretty nitpicky.

Also, Kathy is his ex and they share 3 kids, so maybe he’s a little resentful about her boyfriend—and that she was the parent in charge when the accident happened. They got divorced for a reason, after all. But I def wouldn’t call it a tirade.

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Anonymous wrote:LTW was there because Herbert and Big were close friends and did shady business deals together, which will probably be revealed next season. He has a lot of dirt on Big and, thus, on Carrie - so it pays to keep them close. Herbert is NOT what he seems.

I want more on this theory, PP


Aidens whining about Kathy doesn’t wash. It was AIDEN who traveled all over when the kids were younger, one trip bringing him to Abu Dhabi only to run into Carrie in the second SATC film. The writers take too many liberties and/or are clueless about continuity with this new show as if weirdos like me haven’t watched all of the previous eps/films and have no idea what happens in the past.

Wasn't he in AD shopping for textiles for Kathy?

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If your kid had alcohol poisoning, you’d say alcohol poisoning, not toxicity. You’d tell people you have bladder/lung/thyroid cancer, not malignant tumors. It’s not the way people talk.

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I really felt a dislike for Carrie in the last couple of episodes. She's just so self-centered. Like, the demands that Miranda attend the stupid "last supper." It's a MF'ing apartment, for god's sake. No room for considering her friends' feelings, whether you agree with them or not.

And for Aiden, yeah, his blame the wife was too much. But that is a dynamic that is the result of their divorce. And something that you would hear in real life. It seemed authentic in that regard.

I do feel like the whole giving up your own happiness for your teen kid for FIVE years is . . . . not healthy. They need to get their kid help and work it out w/o Aiden being some sort of martyr with the kdi 24/7. And asking her to wait 5 years ----- lol. Ok . . . just silly.

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Anonymous wrote:I really felt a dislike for Carrie in the last couple of episodes. She's just so self-centered. Like, the demands that Miranda attend the stupid "last supper." It's a MF'ing apartment, for god's sake. No room for considering her friends' feelings, whether you agree with them or not.

And for Aiden, yeah, his blame the wife was too much. But that is a dynamic that is the result of their divorce. And something that you would hear in real life. It seemed authentic in that regard.

I do feel like the whole giving up your own happiness for your teen kid for FIVE years is . . . . not healthy. They need to get their kid help and work it out w/o Aiden being some sort of martyr with the kdi 24/7. And asking her to wait 5 years ----- lol. Ok . . . just silly.

If you have that much resentment over your divorce you aren’t ready to move on to a healthy relationship. It was over the top. I watched this season because I was so excited about Aidan coming back and now I’m just totally grossed out by him. I guess he forgot running into Carrie all those years ago when he had much smaller kids and he was traveling for WORK LOL.

Totally over him and agree the 5 year break is silly and unrealistic.

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I really felt a dislike for Carrie in the last couple of episodes. She's just so self-centered. Like, the demands that Miranda attend the stupid "last supper." It's a MF'ing apartment, for god's sake. No room for considering her friends' feelings, whether you agree with them or not.

Carrie has been like this throughout the whole show IMO, so this absolutely fits her character.

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Anonymous wrote:I really felt a dislike for Carrie in the last couple of episodes. She's just so self-centered. Like, the demands that Miranda attend the stupid "last supper." It's a MF'ing apartment, for god's sake. No room for considering her friends' feelings, whether you agree with them or not.

And for Aiden, yeah, his blame the wife was too much. But that is a dynamic that is the result of their divorce. And something that you would hear in real life. It seemed authentic in that regard.

I do feel like the whole giving up your own happiness for your teen kid for FIVE years is . . . . not healthy. They need to get their kid help and work it out w/o Aiden being some sort of martyr with the kdi 24/7. And asking her to wait 5 years ----- lol. Ok . . . just silly.

If you have that much resentment over your divorce you aren’t ready to move on to a healthy relationship. It was over the top. I watched this season because I was so excited about Aidan coming back and now I’m just totally grossed out by him. I guess he forgot running into Carrie all those years ago when he had much smaller kids and he was traveling for WORK LOL.

Totally over him and agree the 5 year break is silly and unrealistic.

I didn't feel like it was over-the-top. I felt like, yes, there is still resentment. But, it was an emotional reaction to the current situation. And frankly, I've seen a lot worse in divorced people (including my own family members) who went on to very healthy relationships despite having some serious resentment/anger issues towards prior spouses. So I don't see the bolded as true, though maybe aspirational.